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howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 02:50 PM
The 5 Greatest Teams in NBA History

1. Boston Celtics: 16 Championships, 19 Conference Titles, 25 Division Titles, 2794-1963 total regular season record with an over all regular season average wining percentage of .587. A overall playoff record of 286-209, Wp% of .578 … 25 hall of famers: Nate "Tiny" Archibald Dave Bing Larry Bird Bob Cousy Dave Cowens John Havlicek Tom Heinsohn Bob Houbregs Bailey Howell K. C. Jones Sam Jones Clyde Lovellette Ed Macauley Pete Maravich Bob McAdoo Kevin McHale Robert Parish Andy Phillip Frank Ramsey Arnie Risen Bill Russell Bill Sharman (inducted both as a player and as a coach, most notably with the Los Angeles Lakers) John Thompson (only played in the NBA for two years; inducted for his coaching career at Georgetown University) Bill Walton Dominique Wilkins.


2. Los Angeles Lakers: 14 Championships, 1 NBL Championship, 28 Conference Titles, 26 Division Titles, 1 Division Title in NBL, 2848-1799 total regular season record with an over all regular season average wining percentage of .613(Highest in League History). Overall playoff record 381-256 Wp% of .598...17 hall of famers:33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 Elgin Baylor 13 Wilt Chamberlain 25 Gail Goodrich 42 Connie Hawkins 32 Magic Johnson 34 Clyde Lovellette 22 Slater Martin 11 Bob McAdoo 99 George Mikan 19 Vern Mikkelsen 17 Jim Pollard 42 James Worthy 44 Jerry West Coach John Kundla Coach Bill Sharman Coach Phil Jackson.

3. San Antonio Spurs: 4 Championships, 4 Conference Titles, 15 Division Titles, 1493-1017 total regular season record with an over all regular season average of .595 (Second highest in league history behind the Lakers). Overall playoff record 139-118 Wp% of .541. ..3 hall of famers George "The Iceman" Gervin - 1996 Moses Malone - 2001 Dominique Wilkins . With 5 more on the way, ( David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Greg Popovich, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and maybe Robert Horry) Currently has the highest winning percentage in the last 10 years than any professional sports franchise.

4. Chicago Bulls: 6 Championships, 6 Conference Titles, 7 Division Titles, 1705-1625 total regular season record with an over all regular season average of .512. Overall playoff record 156-118 Wp% .569.…6 hall of Famers George Gervin, Robert Parish, Nate Thurmond, Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.

5. Detroit Pistons: 3 Championships 2 NBL Championships, 7 Conference Titles, 10 Division Titles 4 NBL Division Titles, 2303-2345 total regular season record with an over all regular season average of .495. Overall playoff record 180-164 Wp% .523...15 hall of fame members:Dave Bing Larry Brown (head coach) Chuck Daly (head coach) Dave DeBusschere Joe Dumars Bob Houbregs Bailey Howell Bob Lanier Earl Lloyd , Bob McAdoo Bobby McDermott Isiah Thomas George Yardley Fred Zollner .


These are my choices for top 5 considering championships, winning percentage and players..….What do yall think?

mjnxn
06-03-2007, 02:52 PM
Chicago ahead of the Spurs, if we are talking about titles.

If we're talking abour organizations, I think we're #3 of all time due to our high winning %.

Phenomanul
06-03-2007, 02:53 PM
No way Spurs are placed over Jordan's Bulls.... unless they match them with 6 rings; then and only then can the conversation be had.

Leetonidas
06-03-2007, 02:55 PM
1. Celtics
2. Lakers
3. Bulls
4. Spurs
5. Pistons

Jordan's Bulls were better.

whottt
06-03-2007, 02:57 PM
Lakers
Celtics
Spurs*
Bulls
Pistons


*Suns got jobbed by the refs

dbestpro
06-03-2007, 02:58 PM
1. Celtics
2. Lakers
3. Bulls
4. Spurs
5. Pistons

Jordan's Bulls were better.
Agreed. Lakers are there because of the Magic of the 80's and West of the 70's show. The 21st century Lakers almost makes them lose points.

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 02:59 PM
IT was close but I had to put the Spurs ahead of the Bulls considering what they have done in the past decade by having a higher winning percentage than any sports franchise during that time.. That is just amazing.

dbestpro
06-03-2007, 03:01 PM
Lakers
Celtics
Spurs*
Bulls
Pistons


*Suns got jobbed by the refs
:drunk According to Coach Red Auerbach basketball is both a defense and offensive game. Anyone who thinks otherwise by blaming a loss on the refs is a :donkey.

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:02 PM
The Lakers have played in at least one finals in every decade of NBA existence...

There is no comparison to them.

Best Winning PCT
Second most Championships

3 of the top 5 ever played for them...
Wilt
Kareem
Magic


And I hate the fncking Lakers.

OTOH the Celtics had a good sixties....

If you looked the Bulls only in the 90's they'd be higher, but they've spent a lot of time sucking outside of the 90's.

PM5K
06-03-2007, 03:03 PM
HA HA HA, Spurs over the Bulls, fucking Homer...

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:04 PM
What's with all the Mavs hate anyway? '

They've won 67 games this year, have two division titles and a WC championship...that ought to be good for at least the #1 spot.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:04 PM
1.Celtics
2.Lakers
3.KNICKS
4.Bulls
5.Spurs

PM5K
06-03-2007, 03:05 PM
1.Celtics
2.Lakers
3.KNICKS
4.Bulls
5.Spurs

If you're going to be full of shit then just put the Knicks first...

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 03:07 PM
1.Celtics
2.Lakers
3.KNICKS
4.Bulls
5.Spurs
,



I dont mind people say the bulls are better overall than the spurs!,, but the knicks?.....hahahaha!

SilverPlayer
06-03-2007, 03:08 PM
1.Celtics
2.Lakers
3.KNICKS
4.Bulls
5.Spurs


I'd love to see you justify this...seriously what have the knicks ever done to earn a spot on this list?

And the Bulls still deserve a place higher than the Spurs

Celtics
Lakers
Bulls
Spurs
Pistons

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:10 PM
If you are just talking about championships it's simple..

Celtics
Lakers
Bulls
Tie - Spurs - Pistons

I thought we were looking at the entire history of the franchises though...the Spurs for being the baby of the group, the adopted baby of the group, have an impressive resume.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:10 PM
If you're going to be full of shit then just put the Knicks first...

There's no question that the Lakers and Celtics are the top 2 greatest teams in NBA history.....And the knicks come in at a distant third.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:12 PM
If you are just talking about championships it's simple..

Celtics
Lakers
Bulls
Tie - Spurs - Pistons

I thought we were looking at the entire history of the franchises though...the Spurs for being the baby of the group, the adopted baby of the group, have an impressive resume.

Exactly, the knicks have a rich history. The spurs just started theirs in 99. There's no way the spurs are in front of the knicks as the 3rd greatest team ever.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:13 PM
,



I dont mind people say the bulls are better overall than the spurs!,, but the knicks?.....hahahaha!

Any knick team will blow away any spurs championship team excluding the 99 knicks.

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:14 PM
Exactly, the knicks have a rich history. The spurs just started theirs in 99. There's no way the spurs are in front of the knicks as the 3rd greatest team ever.


What is impressive about Knicks history?

2 championships in 65 years?


I guess the Kings belong on the list too.


The Knicks were playing when there were like...3 teams in the League...I don't know how they only have 2 championships.

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 03:15 PM
Ok I edited the thread.......... Im talking about championships, winning percentage, and players and coaches

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:16 PM
Ok I edited the thread.......... Im talking about championships, winning percentage, and players and coaches

Knicks had all of the above.

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 03:17 PM
Still ..the knicks?,,, i mean common!

BUMP
06-03-2007, 03:18 PM
here is my top 5 greatest Regular season teams ever

1. Mavericks
2. Suns
3. Bulls
4. Celtics
5. Sixers

:elephant

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:18 PM
Good job...if you get into players and stuff...the Spurs rank ahead of the Bulls...

The Bulls have been garbage except for the Jordan era...in terms of players and championships, winning.

To tell you the truth, the Pistons probably deserve to be ahead of the Bulls as well ...and probably deserve to be ranked ahead of the Spurs.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:20 PM
What is impressive about Knicks history?

2 championships in 65 years?


I guess the Kings belong on the list too.


The Knicks were playing when there were like...3 teams in the League...I don't know how they only have 2 championships.

The Kings history is just not that good as the knicks. And yes, it's true the knicks only have 2 championships in 65 years but at least they had oppurtunities to win more championships...they just ran into better teams.

HJNTX
06-03-2007, 03:20 PM
SPURS would come in at 5th or 6th...

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 03:22 PM
Knicks had all of the above.





Besides the Pistons they have a lower winning percentage than the lakers, spurs, and celtics

ATXSPUR
06-03-2007, 03:24 PM
Sorry knick fan...but its gonna take more than the fact the they are new york to get them on the list.

ShoogarBear
06-03-2007, 03:25 PM
What's with all the Mavs hate anyway? '

They've won 67 games this year, have two division titles and a WC championship...that ought to be good for at least the #1 spot.Best 56-game stretch in US pro sports history.

:smokin

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Besides the Pistons they have a lower winning percentage than the lakers, spurs, and celtics

I don't think the spurs should even be in top 5. The sixers deserve to be in top 5.

Diesel
06-03-2007, 03:26 PM
This is what I would pick.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Chicago Bulls
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Detroit Pistons

I put the Lakers above Boston because they have been consistant with their winning unlike the Celtics who have been a joke since Bird retired. The majority of their titles came when the NBA was 10 teams.

Here's the top 5 NBA Franchises as far as winning % goes.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. San Antonio Spurs
3. Boston Celtics
4. Utah Jazz
5. Philadelphia 76ers

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:27 PM
This is what I would pick.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Chicago Bulls
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Detroit Pistons

I put the Lakers above Boston because they have been consistant with their winning unlike the Celtics who have been a joke since Bird retired. The majority of their titles came when the NBA was 10 teams.

Here's the top 5 NBA Franchises as far as winning % goes.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. San Antonio Spurs
3. Boston Celtics
4. Utah Jazz
5. Philadelphia 76ers

Replace spurs and Jazz with bulls and knicks.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:29 PM
The Knicks? Really, are you kidding? The have a mighty .505 winning percentage as a franchise, 2 championships, not in 34 years however. They do have a lot of hall of famers, and some great success, but they just can't compare to those top 5 teams. And they have recently become one of the biggest jokes in the NBA.

Chris Childs
06-03-2007, 03:32 PM
The Knicks? Really, are you kidding? The have a mighty .505 winning percentage as a franchise, 2 championships, not in 34 years however. They do have a lot of hall of famers, and some great success, but they just can't compare to those top 5 teams. And they have recently become one of the biggest jokes in the NBA.

I think the knicks would rather have 2 championships in 65 years instead of 0 championships in 39 years.

And they only became jokes during the Marbury era.

SRJ
06-03-2007, 03:33 PM
1) The Lakers are the premiere franchise in league history.

They won at least one title in

the '40s
the '50s
the '70s
the '80s
the 2000s

They had a three peat in the 50s and the 2000s. They're the winningest franchise in league history.

2) Next on my list - the Boston Celtics.

They won titles in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Included in that stretch are eight in a row from 59-66. They are the third winningest franchise in league history.

3) Third on this list is the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs have won three titles and have missed the playoffs only four times in 31 seasons. In those 31 seasons, the Spurs have had a losing record only six times. The Spurs are the second winningest franchise in league history.

4) Fourth on my list is the Chicago Bulls. The Bulls have won six titles, but in their 41 seasons the Bulls have had losing records in 20 seasons. They have missed the playoffs 14 times. In my most recent source, the Bulls were the 11th winningest franchise in league history.

5) My fifth best team in league history is the Philadelphia 76ers. This franchise has won a title in 1955, 1967, and 1983. The 67 and 83 teams are among the greatest single-season teams of all time. According to my source, Philadelphia was the sixth winningest team in league history.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:35 PM
I wasn't arguing fo the Suns in this case, rather against the Knicks being a top 5 franchise of all time.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:39 PM
This is what I would pick.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Chicago Bulls
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Detroit Pistons

I put the Lakers above Boston because they have been consistant with their winning unlike the Celtics who have been a joke since Bird retired. The majority of their titles came when the NBA was 10 teams.

Here's the top 5 NBA Franchises as far as winning % goes.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. San Antonio Spurs
3. Boston Celtics
4. Utah Jazz
5. Philadelphia 76ers

Where did you get those numbers for those being the top 5 teams as far as all time winning percentage. The Lakers are 1st, followed by Boston, San Antonio, Phoenix, and Utah.

howbouthemspurs
06-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Where did you get those numbers for those being the top 5 teams as far as all time winning percentage. The Lakers are 1st, followed by Boston, San Antonio, Phoenix, and Utah.


its right......1 lakers, 2 spurs

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:46 PM
The Spurs passed the Celtics in all time winning PCT earlier this season. At the rate the Celtics are going...the Bobcats should be passing them sometime soon.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:46 PM
Where are you getting those numbers? Unless postseason numbers considered

peskypesky
06-03-2007, 03:47 PM
I'd probably put the Bulls ahead of the Spurs at this point in time, but if we win a fourth Championship this year, they might be just about even. Because it is true that outside the Jordan years, the Bulls haven't been all that great, whereas the Spurs had some good years with Gervin, then some good years with Robinson, then the great years with Duncan.

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:49 PM
Where are you getting those numbers? Unless postseason numbers considered


Here's one source...

http://home.swbell.net/hartley4/top50.htm


He keeps that list updated pretty accurately.



It's not just winning PCT either....

The Lakers, Spurs and Celtics are also the only teams 400+ games over %500...


That's amazing when you consider that there are some teams that had a 30 year head start on the Spurs.

How the Sixers aren't more games over 500 than the Spurs is dumbfounding.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:52 PM
ok, my mistake, I got to one page that included everything Spurs, even before they were the Spurs, so it had their total wins and losses well above those numbers. But I was correct in having the Suns above the Jazz, and no 76ers on there.

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:54 PM
I'll just post the whole list so people can see where their team ranks...

Mavfan, this is for you.


Franchise All-Time Records:
Playoffs-
Team Games Titles W - L Pct Games +/- .500
Los Angeles Lakers 4647 53-14 2848-1799 .613 +1049
San Antonio Spurs 2510 26-1- 1493-1017 .595 +476
Boston Celtics 4757 44-16 2794-1963 .587 +831
Phoenix Suns 3166 27-0 1759-1407 .556 +352
Utah Jazz 2674 21-0 1439-1235 .538 +204
Philadelphia 76ers 4582 43-3 2461-2121 .537 +340
Milwaukee Bucks 3166 24-1 1684-1482 .532 +202
Seattle SuperSonics 3248 22-1 1725-1523 .531 +202
Portland Trail Blazers 3002 26-1 1588-1414 .529 +174
Chicago Bulls 3329 27-6 1703-1626 .512 +77
New York Knicks 4753 37-2 2399-2354 .505 +45
Houston Rockets 3248 23-2 1629-1619 .502 +10
Detroit Pistons 4644 37-3- 2302-2344 .497 -42
Miami Heat 1526 11-0 756-770 .495 -14
Indiana Pacers 2510 17-0 1235-1275 .492 -40
Atlanta Hawks 4584 36-1 2239-2345 .488 -106
Orlando Magic 1444 9-0 700-744 .485 -44
Dallas Mavericks 2182 12-0 1051-1131 .482 -80
Sacramento Kings 4647 28-1 2220-2427 .478 -207
New Orleans Hornets 1526 8-0 725-801 .475 -76
Denver Nuggets 2510 17-0 1162-1348 .463 -186
Golden State Warriors 4752 28-3 2190-2562 .461 -372
Washington Wizards 3729 24-1 1713-2016 .459 -303
Cleveland Cavaliers 3002 15-0- 1349-1653 .449 -304
Minnesota Timberwolves 1444 7-0 627-817 .434 -190
New Jersey Nets 2510 15-0 1082-1428 .431 -346
Toronto Raptors 952 4-0 388-564 .408 -176
Los Angeles Clippers 3002 7-0 1104-1898 .368 -792
Memphis Grizzlies 952 3-0 318-634 .334 -316
Charlotte Bobcats 246 0-0 77-169 .313 -92
- Pending playoffs
Check out the two Los Angeles franchises. The Lakers hold a 921.5 game
lead on the Clippers. If the Clippers went 62-20 every season, and the
Lakers went 20-62 every season, it would take 22 years for the Clippers
to overtake the Lakers!

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:54 PM
Here's one source...

http://home.swbell.net/hartley4/top50.htm


He keeps that list updated pretty accurately.



It's not just winning PCT either....

The Lakers, Spurs and Celtics are also the only teams 400+ games over %500...


That's amazing when you consider that there are some teams that had a 30 year head start on the Spurs.

How the Sixers aren't more games over 500 than the Spurs is dumbfounding.

They just had to many years of bad basketball after Dr J and before AI and then have become shit again in recent years, whereas the Spurs ae 297-113 in the last 5 years, and thats just ridiculous.

Strike
06-03-2007, 03:58 PM
There's no question that the Lakers and Celtics are the top 2 greatest teams in NBA history.....And the knicks come in at a distant third.

Why?

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 03:59 PM
I will say however, going back to the topic itself, I think the 76ers should be up there over the Pistons, because it's tough to say they are a top 5 franchise of all time with a sub .500 winning percentage.

whottt
06-03-2007, 03:59 PM
They just had to many years of bad basketball after Dr J and before AI and then have become shit again in recent years, whereas the Spurs ae 297-113 in the last 5 years, and thats just ridiculous.



Yeah but still...the Sixers have been around for 60 years and have one of the best winning PCT's of all time...they've played over 4500 games and have a winning record...


The Spurs have been around for 30(NBA) years, have played about 2000 fewer games, yet are 150 more games over 500 than the Sixers.

It's not just that either...the Spurs started out as defacto minor league team...yet somehow they've made a conference finals in every decade of their NBA existence.

shelshor
06-03-2007, 03:59 PM
If you are just talking about championships it's simple..

Celtics
Lakers
Bulls
Tie - Spurs - Pistons

I thought we were looking at the entire history of the franchises though...the Spurs for being the baby of the group, the adopted baby of the group, have an impressive resume.
If we're looking at the history of the franchises, the Warriors {1946-47, 1955-56, and 1974-75} and the Syracuse Nationals/Philadelphia 76ers {1954-55, 1966-67, 1982-83} also have 3 titles
Hopefully that logjam at 3 titles will be broken up in 2 to 2 1/2 weeks

As far as my 5 greatest teams:
Celtics
Lakers
Spurs
Bulls
76ers
in spite of both the Celtics' & 76ers' recent downturn in fortunes

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 04:02 PM
The only reason why I still put the Bulls over the Spurs is because of 3 more titles, maybe just 2 more, and those dominating seasons, including quite possibly the greatest single season team ever with 72-10 regular season. The Spurs could catch them however with a few more seasons, thats to be seen.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 04:04 PM
Yeah but still...the Sixers have been around for 60 years and have one of the best winning PCT's of all time...they've played over 4500 games and have a winning record...


The Spurs have been around for 30(NBA) years, have played about 2000 fewer games, yet are 150 more games over 500 than the Sixers.

It's not just that either...the Spurs started out as defacto minor league team...yet somehow they've made a conference finals in every decade of their NBA existence.

The Spurs have been adding 30+ games over .500 every year lately whereas the 76ers keep treading water in that category, so it's understandable for the Spurs to be ahead.

ShoogarBear
06-03-2007, 04:07 PM
Playoffs-Titles
San Antonio Spurs 26-1

:wtf

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 04:09 PM
That list also has the Heat at 0 titles. The wins and losses are accurate, but the titles over recent years are not.

whottt
06-03-2007, 04:13 PM
If we're looking at the history of the franchises, the Warriors {1946-47, 1955-56, and 1974-75} and the Syracuse Nationals/Philadelphia 76ers {1954-55, 1966-67, 1982-83} also have 3 titles
Hopefully that logjam at 3 titles will be broken up in 2 to 2 1/2 weeks

As far as my 5 greatest teams:
Celtics
Lakers
Spurs
Bulls
76ers
in spite of both the Celtics' & 76ers' recent downturn in fortunes


True..there's a reason I ranked the Pistons and Spurs over the Warriors and Sixers having to do with titles when I first saw that list a few years ago and I can't remember now why I did it....

Also...the Spurs and the Bulls are the only teams undefeated in multiple finals appearances I believe.

Spider TX
06-03-2007, 04:19 PM
I think the Rockets are as well.

BUMP
06-03-2007, 04:22 PM
Mavfan, this is for you.


Franchise All-Time Records:
Playoffs-
Team Games Titles W - L Pct Games +/- .500
Los Angeles Lakers 4647 53-14 2848-1799 .613 +1049
San Antonio Spurs 2510 26-1- 1493-1017 .595 +476
Boston Celtics 4757 44-16 2794-1963 .587 +831
Phoenix Suns 3166 27-0 1759-1407 .556 +352
Utah Jazz 2674 21-0 1439-1235 .538 +204
Philadelphia 76ers 4582 43-3 2461-2121 .537 +340
Milwaukee Bucks 3166 24-1 1684-1482 .532 +202
Seattle SuperSonics 3248 22-1 1725-1523 .531 +202
Portland Trail Blazers 3002 26-1 1588-1414 .529 +174
Chicago Bulls 3329 27-6 1703-1626 .512 +77
New York Knicks 4753 37-2 2399-2354 .505 +45
Houston Rockets 3248 23-2 1629-1619 .502 +10
Detroit Pistons 4644 37-3- 2302-2344 .497 -42
Miami Heat 1526 11-0 756-770 .495 -14
Indiana Pacers 2510 17-0 1235-1275 .492 -40
Atlanta Hawks 4584 36-1 2239-2345 .488 -106
Orlando Magic 1444 9-0 700-744 .485 -44
Dallas Mavericks 2182 12-0 1051-1131 .482 -80
Sacramento Kings 4647 28-1 2220-2427 .478 -207
New Orleans Hornets 1526 8-0 725-801 .475 -76
Denver Nuggets 2510 17-0 1162-1348 .463 -186
Golden State Warriors 4752 28-3 2190-2562 .461 -372
Washington Wizards 3729 24-1 1713-2016 .459 -303
Cleveland Cavaliers 3002 15-0- 1349-1653 .449 -304
Minnesota Timberwolves 1444 7-0 627-817 .434 -190
New Jersey Nets 2510 15-0 1082-1428 .431 -346
Toronto Raptors 952 4-0 388-564 .408 -176
Los Angeles Clippers 3002 7-0 1104-1898 .368 -792
Memphis Grizzlies 952 3-0 318-634 .334 -316
Charlotte Bobcats 246 0-0 77-169 .313 -92
- Pending playoffs
Check out the two Los Angeles franchises. The Lakers hold a 921.5 game
lead on the Clippers. If the Clippers went 62-20 every season, and the
Lakers went 20-62 every season, it would take 22 years for the Clippers
to overtake the Lakers!

im not surprised the Mavs are 80 games below .500.

our great records now wash out the dismal records in the mid-90's were we would always flirt with all time records as far as worst winning percentage goes. there was one season where we didnt even win 10 games i think :lol

and plus, the Mavs have been a steadily below .500 franchise forever not counting the Agguire/Blackman era.

SRJ
06-03-2007, 04:28 PM
The Rockets lost the 1981 and 1986 Finals.

whottt
06-03-2007, 04:29 PM
From that same site:


Best 1-Year Turnaround:
96-97 San Antonio Spurs 20 62 .244
97-98 56 26 .683
36 Games +.439
David Robinson injured 96-97 gives Spurs draft pick
for Tim Duncan, so if Robinson was not injured,
Spurs don't get Duncan, Robinson retires ringless.

88-89 San Antonio Spurs 21 61 .256
89-90 56 26 .683
David Robinson joins team 35 Games +.427

03-04 Phoenix Suns 29 53 .354
04-05 62 20 .756
MVP Steve Nash joins team 33 Games +.402


78-79 Boston Celtics 29 53 .354
79-80 61 21 .744
Larry Bird joins team 32 Games +.390


69-70 Milwaukee Bucks 27 55 .329
70-71 56 26 .683
Lew Alcindor joins team 29 Games +.354






Worst 1-Year Turnaround:
97-98 Chicago Bulls 62 20 .756
98-99 13 37 .260
49 Games (Full Season Equivalent: 40.7 Games) -.496
Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and
coach Phil Jackson leave team

95-96 San Antonio Spurs 59 23 .720
96-97 20 62 .244
39 Games -.476
David Robinson injured all but 6 games in 96-97



DRob was so under-rated it's sickening.

shelshor
06-03-2007, 06:09 PM
True..there's a reason I ranked the Pistons and Spurs over the Warriors and Sixers having to do with titles when I first saw that list a few years ago and I can't remember now why I did it....

Also...the Spurs and the Bulls are the only teams undefeated in multiple finals appearances I believe.
Could it be because the Warriors have 3 losses in the finals, the Pistons 4 and the Nationals/76ers 6??

NBA_Fanatics
06-03-2007, 06:14 PM
5 Greatest Teams in NBA History ?? according to the media and other fans SPURS don't even exist and have to continually prove themselves year after year. IMO winning percentage alone put them in top 3.

GO SPURS!! maybe with this new BAD BOY image , and after thrashing the KING we'll get a tiny bit mo LOVE.

cherylsteele
06-03-2007, 06:28 PM
Replace spurs and Jazz with bulls and knicks.
Diesel just stated facts....and you are saying the facts don't matter?
There is no way to dispute winning percentages by franchise. Unless you make up who won what games.

howbouthemspurs
06-04-2007, 01:59 PM
i say in about 15 years the spurs will move up to #2 if things keep going good the way they have been in the last 10 years.

MavericksDynasty
06-04-2007, 02:26 PM
Hmm, the Celtics and Bill Russell were just flukes, winning fluke games against teams trotting out slow-footed 6'7 white guys at center. And don't even get me started on the Lakers and all their fluke titles, or Jordan and the Bulls getting all the calls due to David Stern's marketing priorities. Adjusted for all of the bullshit, here are the five greatest teams in NBA History.

1. 1987-88 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/492934811_dce333b6d9_o.jpg

Led by Rolando Blackman and Mark Aguirre, the Mavericks went 53-29 and advanced to the Western Conference Finals, before Stern and the refs screwed them.

2. 2005-06 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/427606446_9d2e798f4c_o.jpg

This squad went 60-22 and defeated the fluke Spurs on the way to the NBA Finals. Once there, they were well on their way to winning before David Stern and ABC executives took matters into their own hands.

3. 2006-07 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/509330087_2de50ede89_o.jpg

The Mavericks went 67-15 during the regular season and would've won a title easily until Stern and ABC executives decided that a historic upset would make for a better storyline.

4. 2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23981496_60f9c3f53c_o.jpg

The Mavericks started out 14-0, were 35-5 at one point and finished 60-22, losing out on a tiebreaker to the Spurs. They would've beaten the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals and advanced to win the title. Unfortunately, Bruce Bowen whacked Dirk Nowitzki in the knee with a folding chair in Game 3, and the Mavs couldn't overcome the Spurs dirty play.

5. 1993-94 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/410179698_89eec6019e_o.jpg

Thanks to the arrival of Jason Kidd, the Mavericks improved from 13-69 to 36-46. The team would've made the playoffs and gone on to win the title if Jim Jackson hadn't suffered a severely sprained ankle.

MaNuMaNiAc
06-04-2007, 02:27 PM
i say in about 15 years the spurs will move up to #2 if things keep going good the way they have been in the last 10 years.uh... theres a little problem there. For that to happen we would need another Duncan to drop in our lap like 10 years ago... which is to say... not very likely is it? No, I think Duncan has 3 or 4 more years of dominant to semi dominant performance and then he'll be relegated role player if and only if we happen to find ourselves a decent star to take us all the way. If not, Duncan retires and we will flirt with the bottom of the west for years to come.

This is why people need to enjoy these years while they last! Ask Boston fans if in the 80s they ever pictured their team being where they are now. Every fan thinks their good fortune is going to run forever, and ours has run for almost 2 decades now. I mean come on! How many franchises do you know who have had a David Robinson caliber player and then on top of that get possibly the greatest PF to ever play the game?

howbouthemspurs
06-04-2007, 02:48 PM
uh... theres a little problem there. For that to happen we would need another Duncan to drop in our lap like 10 years ago... which is to say... not very likely is it? No, I think Duncan has 3 or 4 more years of dominant to semi dominant performance and then he'll be relegated role player if and only if we happen to find ourselves a decent star to take us all the way. If not, Duncan retires and we will flirt with the bottom of the west for years to come.

This is why people need to enjoy these years while they last! Ask Boston fans if in the 80s they ever pictured their team being where they are now. Every fan thinks their good fortune is going to run forever, and ours has run for almost 2 decades now. I mean come on! How many franchises do you know who have had a David Robinson caliber player and then on top of that get possibly the greatest PF to ever play the game?

Yes we got lucky twice with those draft picks david robinson and Tim duncan but you never know right?.. whats wrong with thinking that it might happen again?

MaNuMaNiAc
06-04-2007, 03:06 PM
Yes we got lucky twice with those draft picks david robinson and Tim duncan but you never know right?.. whats wrong with thinking that it might happen again?Yes, because players like The Admiral and Timmy come around every year... You can hope, everyone hopes, I hope we get another superstar to carry us to the promised land, but hope is probably all its going to be. Odds are against us buddy. So enjoy the years we've had, and the ones we've got left. Greatness doesn't come around often.

whottt
06-04-2007, 03:12 PM
uh... theres a little problem there. For that to happen we would need another Duncan to drop in our lap like 10 years ago... which is to say... not very likely is it? No, I think Duncan has 3 or 4 more years of dominant to semi dominant performance and then he'll be relegated role player if and only if we happen to find ourselves a decent star to take us all the way. If not, Duncan retires and we will flirt with the bottom of the west for years to come.

This is why people need to enjoy these years while they last! Ask Boston fans if in the 80s they ever pictured their team being where they are now. Every fan thinks their good fortune is going to run forever, and ours has run for almost 2 decades now. I mean come on! How many franchises do you know who have had a David Robinson caliber player and then on top of that get possibly the greatest PF to ever play the game?


Nice thoughts, unfortunately, this era of the Spurs won't be appreciated, even by SA, until it's over. That's the way it is for some teams...they'll be missed more once they are gone. And Spursfans will hurt for these days to come again.


The Spurs are arguably the only true small market dynasty in modern sports history....maybe the Edmonton Oilers or something...American sports anyway...

What Pop was able to do since becoming the GM of this team is a one of a kind thing in all of Sports I think. He's a great coach...but he's a genius GM.

101A
06-04-2007, 03:16 PM
Hmm, the Celtics and Bill Russell were just flukes, winning fluke games against teams trotting out slow-footed 6'7 white guys at center. And don't even get me started on the Lakers and all their fluke titles, or Jordan and the Bulls getting all the calls due to David Stern's marketing priorities. Adjusted for all of the bullshit, here are the five greatest teams in NBA History.

1. 1987-88 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/492934811_dce333b6d9_o.jpg

Led by Rolando Blackman and Mark Aguirre, the Mavericks went 53-29 and advanced to the Western Conference Finals, before Stern and the refs screwed them.

2. 2005-06 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/427606446_9d2e798f4c_o.jpg

This squad went 60-22 and defeated the fluke Spurs on the way to the NBA Finals. Once there, they were well on their way to winning before David Stern and ABC executives took matters into their own hands.

3. 2006-07 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/509330087_2de50ede89_o.jpg

The Mavericks went 67-15 during the regular season and would've won a title easily until Stern and ABC executives decided that a historic upset would make for a better storyline.

4. 2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23981496_60f9c3f53c_o.jpg

The Mavericks started out 14-0, were 35-5 at one point and finished 60-22, losing out on a tiebreaker to the Spurs. They would've beaten the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals and advanced to win the title. Unfortunately, Bruce Bowen whacked Dirk Nowitzki in the knee with a folding chair in Game 3, and the Mavs couldn't overcome the Spurs dirty play.

5. 1993-94 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/410179698_89eec6019e_o.jpg

Thanks to the arrival of Jason Kidd, the Mavericks improved from 13-69 to 36-46. The team would've made the playoffs and gone on to win the title if Jim Jackson hadn't suffered a severely sprained ankle.


Nice.

LOL

ClingingMars
06-04-2007, 03:20 PM
Replace spurs and Jazz with bulls and knicks.

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? HE SAID WINNING %, WHICH IS NOT OBJECTIVE, IT IS A STATISTIC! I AM SO SICK OF YOUR FUCKING IDIOCY!!!

/rant

-Mars

ClingingMars
06-04-2007, 03:24 PM
Hmm, the Celtics and Bill Russell were just flukes, winning fluke games against teams trotting out slow-footed 6'7 white guys at center. And don't even get me started on the Lakers and all their fluke titles, or Jordan and the Bulls getting all the calls due to David Stern's marketing priorities. Adjusted for all of the bullshit, here are the five greatest teams in NBA History.

1. 1987-88 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/492934811_dce333b6d9_o.jpg

Led by Rolando Blackman and Mark Aguirre, the Mavericks went 53-29 and advanced to the Western Conference Finals, before Stern and the refs screwed them.

2. 2005-06 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/427606446_9d2e798f4c_o.jpg

This squad went 60-22 and defeated the fluke Spurs on the way to the NBA Finals. Once there, they were well on their way to winning before David Stern and ABC executives took matters into their own hands.

3. 2006-07 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/509330087_2de50ede89_o.jpg

The Mavericks went 67-15 during the regular season and would've won a title easily until Stern and ABC executives decided that a historic upset would make for a better storyline.

4. 2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23981496_60f9c3f53c_o.jpg

The Mavericks started out 14-0, were 35-5 at one point and finished 60-22, losing out on a tiebreaker to the Spurs. They would've beaten the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals and advanced to win the title. Unfortunately, Bruce Bowen whacked Dirk Nowitzki in the knee with a folding chair in Game 3, and the Mavs couldn't overcome the Spurs dirty play.

5. 1993-94 Dallas Mavericks:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/410179698_89eec6019e_o.jpg

Thanks to the arrival of Jason Kidd, the Mavericks improved from 13-69 to 36-46. The team would've made the playoffs and gone on to win the title if Jim Jackson hadn't suffered a severely sprained ankle.

Coulda Would Shoulda

WHINE WHINE WHINE

BLAME IT ON STERN AND THE REFS!!!

GET OVER YOURSELF!

-Mars

bigfish22
06-04-2007, 03:29 PM
IT was close but I had to put the Spurs ahead of the Bulls considering what they have done in the past decade by having a higher winning percentage than any sports franchise during that time.. That is just amazing.


Right there you just condraticted your subject when you base the Spurs accomplishments in the past decade and use that as a measure against the HISTORY of the NBA. I'll always be a Spurs fan, but give Michael and da' Bulls their respects.

TampaDude
06-04-2007, 03:38 PM
San Antonio Spurs 2510 26-1- 1493-1017 .595 +476


Only 1 title? Kinda out of date, dontchathink??? :lol

romain.star
06-04-2007, 03:44 PM
and what is your top 5 worst teams in NBA History?

ShoogarBear
06-04-2007, 03:52 PM
The Spurs are arguably the only true small market dynasty in modern sports history....maybe the Edmonton Oilers or something...American sports anyway...http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Football/NFL/GB_dcy03myfhffbki5d7il3.gif

SRJ
06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Right there you just condraticted your subject when you base the Spurs accomplishments in the past decade and use that as a measure against the HISTORY of the NBA. I'll always be a Spurs fan, but give Michael and da' Bulls their respects.

Exactly. Now take the Timmy era out of San Antonio and the Michael era out of Chicago, and you'll see that Spurs history runs laps around the Bulls.

rob5
06-04-2007, 04:14 PM
1.Celtics
2.Lakers
3.KNICKS :lmao
4.Bulls
5.Spurs

whottt
06-04-2007, 04:14 PM
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Football/NFL/GB_dcy03myfhffbki5d7il3.gif


modern

Back then the players still had other jobs...and it's arguable which one could be considered their second.

ehz33satx
06-04-2007, 04:32 PM
im not surprised the Mavs are 80 games below .500.

our great records now wash out the dismal records in the mid-90's were we would always flirt with all time records as far as worst winning percentage goes. there was one season where we didnt even win 10 games i think :lol

and plus, the Mavs have been a steadily below .500 franchise forever not counting the Agguire/Blackman era.

There is a bit of optimism there for you. That brought a little ray of sunshine into my dismal existance down here in San Antonio.

Findog
06-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Coulda Would Shoulda

WHINE WHINE WHINE

BLAME IT ON STERN AND THE REFS!!!

GET OVER YOURSELF!

-Mars

YHBT. HAND.