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myhc
06-05-2007, 01:29 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/04/AR2007060401937.html

Duncan's Exclusive Company

By Mike Wise
Tuesday, June 5, 2007; E01



Now that LeBron James has become ABC's savior of the NBA Finals -- and LeBron says he is honored to be compared to Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson and Gandhi -- we interrupt this homeroom crush for some genuine education.

The San Antonio Spurs are going to school Cleveland and win their fourth title, in six games or fewer, because they have the best player on the floor in the series. Tim Duncan, despite getting less love than jury duty, is maybe the largest difference-maker since Jordan. Shaquille O'Neal is the only other big man from Duncan's generation who's won more.

It's nice that LeBron has evolved so quickly, overtaking Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade from his draft class. But filling Kobe's excitement void from the playoffs is not the same as being on the verge of winning more titles than Larry Bird.

When the Spurs are finished polishing off Cleveland, Duncan will not only eclipse Bird's three rings, he will join Magic and Michael as the only leading men with more than three championships with the same franchise since Bill Russell. Four decades after Russell, Duncan would join a class of three.

When the Cavaliers' nice, little run is done, Duncan will be 4-0 in the Finals, leaving him two short of Michael's perfect 6-0 mark. And Duncan's team might have two more left in them after this season. Magic was 5-4 and Bird 3-2 on the game's grandest stage. Shaq is 4-2, has participated in six of the last 13 Finals and is the only player in league history to lead three different franchises to championship series.

But San Antonio winning will give Duncan as many titles as Shaq. Many observers believe this fact vaults Duncan past O'Neal as the greatest player of his generation. That might be a bit much, given that only two players in NBA history have better winning percentages than the teams O'Neal has played on: Magic and Bill Russell, considered the greatest winners of their respective eras.

But it would put Duncan on par with Shaq. Given that he has more tread on his tires left than the big fella, it's not hard to envision the 31-year-old Duncan leading the Spurs to at least two more Finals.

While Cleveland is deservedly being celebrated for slaying the Philistines from Detroit, Duncan led the Spurs out of a Western Conference very few believed they could navigate at the beginning of the season.

After Dallas beat them in Game 7 of the semifinals in San Antonio a year ago, the Spurs and their star were viewed as that old, creaky team spiraling downward. No way they were supposed to get by Phoenix when Amare Stoudemire was healthy. No way anyone would stand in Dallas's path to a title it should have won a year ago.

Before the playoffs began, the Spurs were generally thought of as no better than the third-best team in the West behind the Suns and Mavericks. Their style was thought of as too plodding and predictable to stay with Steve Nash and Shawn Marion and Jason Terry and Josh Howard in the open court.

The perception of Duncan mirrored his team; he was coming off a season in which his body was breaking down and there simply were too many quick, young big men to rise over.

As usual, his detractors missed the importance of Duncan. His game has never been about explosiveness; it's about efficiency. His degree of difficulty has nothing to do with hang time and more to do with angles and trajectory, all the skill-level amenities missing from contemporary front-court players.

Even his position -- a center-power forward hybrid -- prevents flat-out comparisons to other great pivots. Kevin McHale and Karl Malone are all-time greats on the blocks, but McHale played with Bird and Robert Parish in his prime, as did Malone with John Stockton. David Robinson was winding down when Duncan joined the Spurs.

Drama is at a premium for Duncan, too; he's had the same coach, Gregg Popovich, his entire career. Often expressionless and unemotional since his days at Wake Forest, where the Duke student section referred to him as "Spock," there is a monotony to the way Duncan plays and carries himself that doesn't resonate in a culture run by celebrity.

He gets penalized for consistently playing and living between the lines while so many of his look-at-me peers obliterate the boundaries and become more popular for it. Polarization sells; professionalism is so '90s.

That's how the guy who kept his head down, motored forward and did nothing but win and put up numbers -- while silencing the conversation about him and his team being too old -- is cast as the black hat next to the young, fresh gun in the NBA Finals. That's why Tim Duncan's journey to scaling Shaq as the most important player of his generation is nothing more than a subplot going in.

LeBron James reinvigorates the "Next Michael" debate after a sterling week of basketball. Meanwhile, if anyone wanted to look long and hard, Tim Duncan belongs at the top of that class more than Kobe, more than Dwyane Wade and certainly more than LeBron. More than any of them, he's won at a higher level

slayermin
06-05-2007, 05:21 AM
Mike Wise is a brilliant man.

IX_Equilibrium
06-05-2007, 08:17 AM
link to article?

Rummpd
06-05-2007, 08:18 AM
Error in Article is major though - Duncan's winning percentage >> Shaq


here is an article:

Underappreciated Spurs have stood the test of time

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA060307.01A.spurs_perspective.35f7203.html

Web Posted: 06/02/2007 11:46 PM CDT

Tom Orsborn
Express-News

As the Spurs aim for their fourth NBA title in nine seasons and third in the past five — a remarkable accomplishment that would enshrine the team in basketball's pantheon — the nation's sports fans are responding with a collective yawn.
The Spurs "will never be the people's choice," a columnist for Yahoo!Sports wrote recently.


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Blame it on the market, a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame says.

"You are tucked away in Texas. What can I tell you," says Boston Celtics great Tommy Heinsohn, who won eight NBA titles in nine seasons with the Celtics in the 1960s and added two more rings as the team's coach in the 1970s.

"If this team was in New York, take my word for it, they would be the greatest of two centuries," Heinsohn says of the Spurs.

Despite the lack of national love, the Spurs of Gregg Popovich and Tim Duncan have something the Dallas Cowboys of Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith and the Los Angeles Lakers of Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal — two recent multi-championship teams that captured the nation's imagination — never obtained.

Staying power.




The Cowboys won an unprecedented three Super Bowls in four years during the 1990s but soon fizzled, the victims of free agency, excessive partying and owner Jerry Jones' massive ego.

The Bryant-O'Neal Lakers appeared in the NBA Finals four times in a five-year span, winning three-straight titles from 2000-2002. But the Lakers' dynasty collapsed when O'Neal was traded after an internal squabble with Bryant.

The Spurs? They just keep on winning.

"There was a time not so long ago that we all expected the Lakers, with Shaq and Kobe and (coach) Phil Jackson, to be a long-term dynastic franchise, but they imploded," says Marc Ganis, a Chicago-based sports marketing expert.

"The Spurs, though, have never imploded, never self-destructed. And in this age of self-aggrandizement, self-promotion and ridiculous sums of money, that is extraordinary."

The same can be said of the Spurs' .709 regular-season winning percentage over the past 10 seasons — the best in that span of any franchise in the four major pro sports.
With just four more victories, the Popovich-coached, Duncan-fueled Spurs will have exceeded the number of championships won by Larry Bird's Boston Celtics and be only one crown shy of matching the five that Magic Johnson collected with the "Showtime" Lakers.

Blame it on market


For the Spurs to have such an extended run of excellence in the era of free agency, the luxury tax and the salary cap is something that will be remembered as one of the greatest achievements in modern league history, NBA experts say.
"There's no question they're one of the three or four best teams of the past 20 years, along with the Bulls, Lakers and Pistons," Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni says. "I know they beat us twice in the last few years, preventing us from getting to the Finals with teams I really believe were good enough to get there.

"But I promise you, it's not difficult to compliment them for what they've done, because it's the truth."

D'Antoni's comments about the Spurs are typical of knowledgeable basketball people. But despite their success, the Spurs still are largely an afterthought in fan conversations about the NBA's greatest teams, making them one of the most underappreciated dynasties in the history of pro sports.

Again, blame it on the market, says Jack Ramsay, an ESPN.com analyst and former NBA coach whose association with the game spans six decades.

"If the New York Knicks had won three titles since '99 like the Spurs have," Ramsay says, "they'd already be immortalized."

Playing in the nation's No. 37 media market, the Spurs often are overlooked by fans outside South Texas.

Without a stylish superstar like Michael Jordan or Bryant that casual fans can latch on to, the Spurs drew fewer fans on the road this season than 18 other NBA teams.

Ramsay can relate. As coach of the 1976-77 NBA champion Portland Trail Blazers, he often wondered if anybody outside Oregon appreciated the greatness of his Bill Walton-led team.

"The entire state just feasted on our team," Ramsay said. "But outside of Oregon, we were not a high-profile team. In fact, after we won the championship, CBS opted to go to the Kemper Open right away. And the Kemper Open is not a high prestige golf tournament.

"It's similar with San Antonio. And that's sad because they are a truly great team."

It's all about modesty


Not all championship teams in small markets have struggled to capture the nation's imagination. The Green Bay Packers dominated the NFL in the 1960s and gained fans from coast to coast.
Of course, the Packers had a charismatic coach (Vince Lombardi), a handsome, larger-than-life running back (Paul Hornung) and a loquacious offensive lineman (Jerry Kramer) who wrote a best-selling book about the story line-rich team.

The Spurs stand in sharp contrast to that colorful bunch. With their self-deprecating, publicity-shy core of Popovich, Duncan and general manager R.C. Buford, they seem content to go about their business with little fanfare. Even point guard Tony Parker and his fiancee, "Desperate Housewives" diva Eva Longoria, don't exactly burn up the red carpet.

"I believe the reasons they have not received proper recognition around the country are the same reasons why they are so successful," Ganis says. "With the Spurs, it's about the team-first attitude, the modesty of the players and their disdain for 'SportsCenter' highlights."

In that sense, the Spurs are more in tune with the New England Patriots, an NFL franchise that has won three Super Bowls in the past seven years but isn't widely recognized as one of the league's greatest teams.

Like the Spurs, the Patriots have a coach (Bill Belichick) and front-office chief (Scott Pioli) who shun the spotlight, a star player who puts team goals ahead of his individual needs (quarterback Tom Brady) and a roster largely made up of players who give back to the community and stay out of trouble.

"In this day and age," Ganis says, "it's a telling thing that a team like the Spurs doesn't get the recognition it deserves because it does things so modestly and with so much class. The Patriots are similar in that regard."

Like the Patriots, the Spurs are considered their league's model franchise.

"The Spurs," former NBA coach turned ABC/ESPN analyst Hubie Brown says, "won't just be remembered as one of the greatest teams in league history. They'll also go down as one of the best organizations, from top to bottom, that's ever been.

"People who follow basketball — not just those in the U.S. but around the world — all know that. Knowledgeable basketball people don't shortchange the Spurs."

Doing a good job


Part of that admiration stems from the Spurs' ability to win championships despite having a roster experts say isn't as rich in talent as some of the more recent NBA dynasties, including the Jordan-led Chicago Bulls that won six titles in the 1990s.
That means Popovich is doing a job that ranks among the best ever by an NBA coach, says former NBA coach Jeff Van Gundy, an analyst for ABC/ESPN.

"I don't think everyone knows just how great he really is," Van Gundy says. "That's not to underestimate their players, but I don't think any coach has achieved a championship level of success with less."

Nor has any team in recent memory been more adept at adding valuable pieces via free agency.

"You could probably hunt up a few mistakes they've made personnel-wise, but those are going to happen if you stay in the business long enough," former Spurs general manager Bob Bass says. "But they've kept them at a minimum."

Same goes for the draft.

"When you are lucky enough in the lottery to get (the rights to draft) David Robinson and then Tim Duncan, you are going to be pretty darn good for about 15 years," D'Antoni says. "But they've done a great job of putting people around those two guys to win championships.

"You have to give them credit for getting Manu Ginobili in the second round and Parker late in the first round. They're all-stars, and Ginobili is one of the 10 best players in the whole league. Maybe even one of top five."

FoxSports.com analyst Charley Rosen says the bottom line is that the Spurs' brain trust of Popovich, Buford and owner Peter Holt excels at running a team in the modern era.

"What they Spurs have done is highly impressive, but what makes it even more impressive is the changeability of rosters these days because of free agency," Rosen says.

"Of course, it was that way during the Shaquille O'Neal-Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers dynasty and the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls dynasty, but there are even more outstanding players available in free agency now that can change the balance of power. So to do what the Spurs have done over this extended period is even more impressive than winning three in a row or something like that."

Says Bass: "In this era, to be good this long, is truly something."

So why aren't more people singing the team's praises?

Rosen points to what he calls a "thrill-a-minute culture" that wants nothing but spectacular dunks and finds the Spurs' five-man coordinated defense and share-the-ball offense boring. Brown and Van Gundy fault the media.

"Media drives perception," Van Gundy says. "If the media can't appreciate the Spurs, well, that's a shame because it's their job to recognize greatness. And the Spurs have sustained a level of excellence the last 10 or 11 years that has been as good as any modern team."

In typical Spurs fashion, Holt takes it all in stride.

"We know we are in a small media market and we understand sometimes we don't get recognized," Holt says. "But would I trade recognition over wins? Over championships? No, I like winning. We like winning. Luckily, I've got guys on this team and in the front office that get it, that understand that."

Others are confident the public will one day do the same.

"The Spurs are a great team and they will go down in history as a great team," says former NBA point guard Mark Jackson, an ABC/ESPN analyst. "They are great because of the titles they've won. They are great for having one of the best players ever. They are great because of their coach. And they are great because they have a front office that surrounds Duncan with a great supporting cast.

"What the Spurs do is about substance, not style. Sometimes we get caught up in style. But, at the end of the day, when you put the numbers together and realize what they've done, you can't help but appreciate them."


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Avitus1
06-05-2007, 08:33 AM
Nothing like a good morning read.

degenerate_gambler
06-05-2007, 08:55 AM
Mike Wise...tellin' it like it is.

ambchang
06-05-2007, 08:56 AM
I haven't taken out all those games where tough as nails Shaq has been out for an ingrown toenail, and just looked at the regular season records of the teams of which the players are on.
Shaq's record with the Magic, Lakers and Heat is 798-400, for a winning % of 66.61%, Duncan's record with the Spurs is at 559-229, for a winning % of 70.94%.

spursfaninla
06-05-2007, 09:50 AM
I think the "winning" percentage MIGHT be speaking about the "peak year" each player achieved? That is one way Shaq with his 68+ win Laker's team might be that high?

Otherwise its trash.

Sec24Row7
06-05-2007, 11:28 AM
I think the "winning" percentage MIGHT be speaking about the "peak year" each player achieved? That is one way Shaq with his 68+ win Laker's team might be that high?

Otherwise its trash.


What 68 win lakers team?