durant cant bench press 180

[coachmac87]

did not do one rep higher than 180...thats pretty weak...i dont care how good u are...i kno some middle school kids who can bench that at least once

[ClingingMars]

I can bench slightly more than that. giggle

-Mars

[Shred]

did not do one rep higher than 180...thats pretty weak...i dont care how good u are...i kno some middle school kids who can bench that at least once

Source? That's pretty unbelievable.

[Mr. Body]

Long arms. Not fully developed.

Who cares. He can hit from anywhere.

[hater]

bullshit. I could bench 180 when I was in 12th grade

[mardigan]

Long arms. Not fully developed.

Who cares. He can hit from anywhere.
Bingo

[Bruno]

I suspect that Durant hasn't doen the combien at 100%. His results are too bad.

[Corn on the Colb]

It was 185!

That extra poundage really makes a difference. Ha.

Doesn't matter. He isn't entering the American Weightlifting Association of America.

[Fillmoe]

even if he couldn't which i highly doubt....... hes finesse player... it really doesn't matter.... hes not a low post player

[mardigan]

I doubt Teyshaun Prince could get that up either

[coachmac87]

but still....does that drop his stock??? al harford benched that 22 times...could he really be the 2nd overall pick while not being able to bench that ammount not even once??

[coachmac87]

even if he couldn't which i highly doubt....... hes finesse player... it really doesn't matter.... hes not a low post player


ya but u dont get it..how is he going to play defense??? he is about to make the jump to the NBA...this is not high school and college anymore..he may struggle at first he needs to get his max to at least 220

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A trainer can fix that in a year if its true. His skill set on the other hand....

[cornbread]

ya but u dont get it..how is he going to play defense??? he is about to make the jump to the NBA...this is not high school and college anymore..he may struggle at first he needs to get his max to at least 220
Legs and core strength will be more important than how much he can max on bench.

[Bruno]

Aaron gray has outjumped Durant in the combine.
Do you really think that Durant was doing these tests at 100%?

[Shred]

ya but u dont get it..how is he going to play defense??? he is about to make the jump to the NBA...this is not high school and college anymore..he may struggle at first he needs to get his max to at least 220

Yeah, there's a whole lot more nutshots at this level. :devil

[Fillmoe]

ya but u dont get it..how is he going to play defense??? he is about to make the jump to the NBA...this is not high school and college anymore..he may struggle at first he needs to get his max to at least 220


how does tayshaun prince play defense? he guards big dudes like lebron and carmelo all the time.......

[texasqb2]

I think I remember an article when McGrady coming out saying he could only bench 135 once....who cares? When they decide to bring out the bench press rack to see which team wins then this will matter.

[cornbread]

I can bench slightly more than that. giggle

-Mars
Do you have a 7 foot wingspan?

[coachmac87]

how does tayshaun prince play defense? he guards big dudes like lebron and carmelo all the time.......


u find me his max! and then use that to back up ur arguement..i promise u prince is alot stronger than u think..

[mavs>spurs2]

I think I remember an article when McGrady coming out saying he could only bench 135 once....who cares? When they decide to bring out the bench press rack to see which team wins then this will matter.

That's not even possible for someone his size. I know little kids that haven't even gone through puberty yet that can do that much.

[tlongII]

I guess Durant doesn't want to be picked by us since he performed very poorly. On the flip side, Oden blew everybody away! His speed and agility was off the charts for a player of his size.

[GrandeDavid]

No way. If that's true that's frighteningly weak. I haven't tried to bench press for max in years, but five years ago I did 225 nine times, and I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs. At the time I was 210. That's crazy. Is there a reliable source on this?

[coachmac87]

I think I remember an article when McGrady coming out saying he could only bench 135 once....who cares? When they decide to bring out the bench press rack to see which team wins then this will matter.


please find me that article!!! thats not true no player will be drafted in the nba if the cannot bench 135...get out of here

[coachmac87]

No way. If that's true that's frighteningly weak. I haven't tried to bench press for max in years, but five years ago I did 225 nine times, and I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs. At the time I was 210. That's crazy. Is there a reliable source on this?


saw it on PTI

[Shred]

No way. If that's true that's frighteningly weak. I haven't tried to bench press for max in years, but five years ago I did 225 nine times, and I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs. At the time I was 210. That's crazy. Is there a reliable source on this?

No kidding. What's the source?

[mardigan]

That's not even possible for someone his size. I know little kids that haven't even gone through puberty yet that can do that much.
Sure it is. the longer your arms are, the harder it is to put up weight on the bench. Besides, bench alone doesnt show how strong you are

[thispego]

looks like he wont be invited to join the weightlifting competetion at next year's all-star game. too bad.

[Bruno]

Aaron gray has outjumped Durant in the combine.
Do you really think that Durant was doing these tests at 100%?

:rolleyes

[mardigan]

No way. If that's true that's frighteningly weak. I haven't tried to bench press for max in years, but five years ago I did 225 nine times, and I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs. At the time I was 210. That's crazy. Is there a reliable source on this?
Do you have a 7 foot wingspan?

[SilverPlayer]

Who has the benching record for the Spurs?
I believe Mr. Kevin Willis of T-rex fame has it.

And anyone remember the reports of earl boykins being able to bench some ungodly number like 235?

[ShoogarBear]

Link (http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096)

But Can He Play? Analyzing the NBA Pre-Draft Combine Results

by: Jonathan Givony

He has a 7-6 ¾ wingspan, and a 9-3 ½ standing reach. He jumps out of the gym with a 39 inch one-step vertical, bench presses 185 pounds 24 times and runs a 3.3 in the three quarter court sprint. But can he shoot? Dribble? Catch a rebound? Play? Do we even care?

It’s that time once again, our favorite time of the year of course; a few weeks before the draft when everything logical in regards to analyzing basketball gets flushed down the toilet. Instead we focus on superficial things that have proven again and again to have very little correlation with actual success in the NBA.

This player is superior to that player because his standing reach is two inches longer. That guy is a better prospect because he bench pressed 185 pounds 19 times instead of the 8 someone else did. Let’s just forget irrelevant things like how many points and rebounds a player averaged, what kind of drive he has to improve or how many games he helped his team win, because those obviously have no bearing on a player’s success.

Who was the top athlete in the 2003 draft? Thinking logically about that draft, you’d probably assume it was a toss up between Dwyane Wade (http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096#) and Lebron James. But in fact, it was 6-2 shooting guard Troy Bell, who did not make it past his rookie contract before being cut by the man who reached badly to draft him in Jerry West. Bell was affectionately nicknamed “Troy Airbell” by ACB Spanish league fans he horrified with the air-balls he jacked up playing for Real Madrid, and struggled this past season to run a D-League team. Bell measured a 41 inch vertical leap (which would rank 1st in this year’s combine), ran a 3.06 in the ¾ court sprint (also 1st), and bench pressed the 185 pound bar 17 times (fourth amongst guards). If Bell were eligible this year, he most likely again would be deemed the top athlete in this year’s draft too.

Who was (supposedly) the 2nd best athlete in that draft? Brandon Hunter, an eventual late 2nd round pick who was relegated to the 2nd division in Italy this year playing for Livorno. Dwyane Wade, possibly the best overall athlete in the NBA today, ranked 14th. Chris Bosh finished 51st. Chris Kaman (http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096#) 45th. In that same year, TJ Ford measured in as being slower in the various footspeed tests than Chris Kaman, Kirk Penney and Carmelo Anthony. Huh? Anyone that has ever seen him play would tell you that he is one of the fastest players in the NBA, if not the fastest.

In 2004, we found a similar story. Kirk Snyder came out as the top overall athlete, while players like Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng (http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096#) and Al Jefferson’s draft stock supposedly took a hit by measuring out as relatively poor athletes. That same Andre Iguodala who was robbed of the slam dunk championship a year ago, only recorded a 34 inch vertical leap, one inch more than J.J. Redick (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=16) last year. Rickey Paulding, Timmy Bowers and Luis Flores were all declared amongst the top 10 athletes in the draft. One averaged 13 points per game this past season in France, one came off the bench in the Israeli league, and the other finished just a notch ahead of Brandon Hunter’s team in Italy and was also relegated to the 2nd division.

The 2005 draft combine was equally as pointless. Monta Ellis (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=289) ranked as the worst athlete of all the players measured, coming out slow, weak and with very little leaping ability. Once the NBA season started and the ball actually rolled out on the court, though, he magically transformed into a spectacular athlete who can get his shot at will and dunks anything and everything that is remotely close to the basket, despite only being 6-3. Eventual rookie of the year Chris Paul (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=14) was declared only the 15th best athlete amongst the players tested, and was somehow deemed slower than Deron Williams (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=72), Sean May (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=11) and Wayne Simien (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=82). The athletic tests also led you to believe that Andrew Bogut (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=70) was some kind of stiff who would never be able to keep up with the speed of the NBA--that is, until the players actually started playing basketball and we found out that he is actually a fine athlete for a player his size. Julius Hodge (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=8) is out of the league thanks to a bad attitude, awful shooting mechanics and some very average athletic ability, but don’t tell that to the people who tested him out as the 26th best athlete in that draft, with a ¾ court sprint that would rank him amongst the fastest players in 2007.

In 2006, we again found some head-scratching results that made us question the validity of the NBA draft combine, and even make us wonder why exactly it’s even held. At the top of that list was Marcus Williams (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=546), who was, according to the combine results, probably one of the most unathletic guards to ever be considered a first round pick. We’re talking about a player that played in the best conference in America and got into the lane and created offense for his team almost whenever he pleased against the top defensive guards the NCAA has to offer, and then continued to do so in the NBA playing for the New Jersey Nets (http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096#) this season. All it took was five minutes watching him on tape or in person to realize that, but the results of the combine would never tell you that. The top ten athletes in the draft last year were, in this order: David Noel (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=455), Ronnie Brewer (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=64), Dwyane Mitchell, Daniel Horton (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=127), Rodney Carney (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=76), Randy Foye (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=454), Taquan Dean (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=375), Brandon Bowman (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=367), Nik Caner-Medley (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=128) and Louis Amundson (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=550).

This year’s combine has to take the cake, though. Kevin Durant (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=390), who wowed NBA scouts and basketball fans around the world all season long with an incredible skill level and extremely impressive agility for a player his size, measured out as essentially the worst athlete in the draft. Just a few days ago we sat alongside those same NBA scouts drooling over the way he soared above the rim dunking the ball and running the floor like a gazelle…but the tale of the tape tells us that that was all a mirage. If there was ever a case to be made for the waste of time known as the NBA combine, it’s right now.

The combine results are hardly the Holy Grail in the evaluation process as far as NBA decision makers are concerned from what we are told, but people who did not pay much attention to how players performed during the season seem to place a much larger emphasis on them then they probably should. As one NBA scout told us last year “it’s not really something we take into our war room and make decisions off of. It’s more something to glance at and use as another small part of the complicated puzzle that ends up telling you what we’d hope is the entire picture.”

The main point we are trying to hammer across here is that there are major concerns about whether or not the tests that are being done on the players at the pre-draft camp are actually transferable to a real basketball setting. The overwhelming amount of possessions in the NBA are played in a half-court set, which means that there really isn’t any valid measurement tool that is being utilized right now to properly evaluate how well a player will actually be able to create a scoring opportunity for himself or his teammate, how well he’ll be able to react defensively on the perimeter or whether or not a player will go out of his area to track down a rebound.

Measuring how fast a player gets from the free throw three quarters down the court to the basket is a tool that is very much non-transferable to an actual game setting. Evaluating lane agility speed only tells a small part of how well players are able to actually stay in front of someone on the perimeter. Assessing a player’s height, standing reach or vertical leap tells very little about how likely a player is to box out his man, anticipate where the ball will come off the rim and have the desire and tenacity to go get it.

There is more to slashing to the basket than just having an incredibly explosive first step to help a player get by his man. Players like Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=14) use a wide variety of hesitation moves and quick changes of direction to first get their man off balance and then blow them once they are on their heels. Knowing how and when to slow down and then speed up, change gears and use crafty ball-handling skills simultaneously is what will eventually decide whether or not a player will be successful in creating space to operate.

Once they get to the basket, having a 40+ inch vertical leap isn’t enough to actually put the ball in the hoop either. They’ll need to rely on their instincts, feel, touch, and body control to compliment their leaping ability and either get to the free throw line or finish the play.

Things like timing and instincts are what make the great athletes truly great basketball players, which is why indicating that one player is somehow superior because he has better pure physical attributes seems like a complete waste of time and money.

In the much more scripted and mechanical NFL, this may be a valid way to draw some noteworthy conclusions, but the results of the past few combines show that this isn’t the case are far as basketball goes. Some players are naturally incredible athletes, but only a handful of them actually know how to take fully advantage of their athleticism and translate it out on the court. Too many of them are spending their valuable time and resources on testing out well in the outdated evaluations that the NBA looks at during the combine, rather than working on actually becoming better basketball players in their rookie season.

The fact that the NBA does not to conduct a scientifically valid psychological test at the pre-draft camp to evaluate some key “intangibles” is a bit surprising. Being able to bench press a 185 pound bar 25 times is not going to make the difference in whether or not a player is able to come down with a rebound or come up with a loose ball, but hustle, timing, fundamentals, instincts, footwork, reflexes, tenacity and anticipation skills are. Having a tool at the NBA’s disposal to measure things like work ethic, motivation, leadership skills, coachability, decision making on and off the court, ability to fit in with a team structure, pressure situations and temptation, and other quote unquote “intangibles” would be a much more effective way to properly evaluate a player’s likelihood to succeed in the NBA. If the league is unable to put the top players in a competitive situation where their true basketball ability can really come out, their time and money might be better spent looking at other aspects of a player’s overall makeup to complete the entire picture.

[mardigan]

Who has the benching record for the Spurs?
I believe Mr. Kevin Willis of T-rex fame has it.

And anyone remember the reports of earl boykins being able to bench some ungodly number like 235?
And Avery could bench more than David, that should say a lot

[coachmac87]

yall how can this not be a big deal...if the bench press did not matter or any of these combine stuff then why do they do it...he will get pushed around in the NBA...durant is looking more like a project than somebody who can make a big difference right away...2nd overall picks are supposed to make a big impact..not sure if durant will his rookie year

[mardigan]

yall how can this not be a big deal...if the bench press did not matter or any of these combine stuff then why do they do it...he will get pushed around in the NBA...durant is looking more like a project than somebody who can make a big difference right away...2nd overall picks are supposed to make a big impact..not sure if durant will his rookie year
This sounds to me like you never saw Durant play, not once

[Fillmoe]

taken from the article above me....



The 2005 draft combine was equally as pointless. Monta Ellis ranked as the worst athlete of all the players measured, coming out slow, weak and with very little leaping ability. Once the NBA season started and the ball actually rolled out on the court, though, he magically transformed into a spectacular athlete who can get his shot at will and dunks anything and everything that is remotely close to the basket, despite only being 6-3.


so like i said.... IT DONT MEAN SHIT!

[coachmac87]

taken from the article above me....





so like i said.... IT DONT MEAN SHIT!


ellis is a guard he plays small guys...im pretty sure durant is not guarding any pgs in the league thats why this is going to be an issue he is going to be playing alot bigger and stronger forwards..

[Kori Ellis]

The results really don't mean much in the long run, but he should be able to bench it more than once. Most every other guy in pre-draft camp (even the ones with 7' wingspans) could do it.

[Fillmoe]

if you think this is gonna hurt is draft position you are out of your mind...... muscle and strength is something that can be added on..... you cant add skill and heart if you don't already have it....

[SilverPlayer]

yall how can this not be a big deal...if the bench press did not matter or any of these combine stuff then why do they do it...he will get pushed around in the NBA...durant is looking more like a project than somebody who can make a big difference right away...2nd overall picks are supposed to make a big impact..not sure if durant will his rookie year


They do it because they want to quantify a skill set. But when talking about basketball its absurd to think it can be quantified by athletic ability alone. If its all athletics guys like Duncan, McGrady, and Shaq would be the worst players in NBA history. Do you think a combine can quantify Duncan or Shaqs ability to post a player up?

It's about 30% athletic ability in the NBA, it will get you in the door, but if you can't put it together with skill and gamesmanship, you will ride the pine like James White until you learn the game.

Durant is going to be just fine...

[Kori Ellis]

There's no way it hurts his position. He's solidified at number 2. :)

Here's some other notes ...

Oden outperformed every prospect, including Kevin Durant, in drills. Even in speed and agility skills, he held his own with smaller, quicker guards.

Oden was faster than Durant in the 3/4-court sprint, quicker in an agility drill and had better results in vertical leap tests, according to The Oregonian. Oden also had only 7.8 percent body fat, by far the best among big men tested.

Among some of the numbers obtained by The Oregonian: Oden is 6-foot-11 without shoes, 7-feet with shoes; he weighs 257 pounds; his wingspan is 7 feet, 4.25 inches ; his running vertical is 34 inches.

Oden, however, didn't perform the bench press test — players are rated on how many times they can bench press 185 pounds — because of his recently injured right wrist. Durant was the only player unable to bench press the weight.

Durant, meanwhile, was slower than Oden in every drill. Oden ran the 3/4 court sprint in 3.27 seconds. The forward from Texas ran it in 3.45. Oden ran the agility drill in 11.67 seconds. Durant finished it in 12.33.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

how much does the basketball weigh?

[ChumpDumper]

So Sam Presti or whoever is going to pass on the clearest #2 pick in the last decade and a consensus franchise changer because he can't bench 185?

[mardigan]

This was posted by Shooger Bear in the NBA forum
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70054

In 2004, we found a similar story. Kirk Snyder came out as the top overall athlete, while players like Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng and Al Jefferson's draft stock supposedly took a hit by measuring out as relatively poor athletes. That same Andre Iguodala who was robbed of the slam dunk championship a few months ago, only recorded a 34 inch vertical leap, one inch more than J.J. Redick last year. Rickey Paulding, Timmy Bowers and Luis Flores were all declared amongst the top 10 athletes in the draft. One averaged 13 points per game this past season in France, one came off the bench in the Israeli league, and the other finished just a notch ahead of Brandon Hunter's team in Italy and was also relegated to the 2nd division.

[kobe_bryant]

I put on 18 lbs of muscle in one summer.
He can do the same.

[timvp]

First of all, there's no way it hurts his draft position. He could have failed the gender test and he'd still be a top two pick. He might have had the best freshman season of all-time.

That said, he didn't test out as that great of an athlete. I think he was probably trying, since there really no reason to do it and not try hard. If you aren't going to try, you can just skip the whole thing (like the Chinese prospect did this year).

One thing that people are overlooking about Durant is that he measured to be 6'10.25 with shoes. That means that he can be listed at 6'11 in the NBA. With his skillset and his size, Durant can make up for any athletic shortcomings he has.

The big winner in my eyes in the combine was Oden. He measured 6'11 with no shoes on. He had a 32 inch no-step vertical. He was as fast as Acie Law in the speed and agility drills. This guy just might be a David Robinson type freak athlete.

Oh and for Spurs fans laughing at Durant, Duncan wasn't able to bench the bar either when he was drafted. In fact, as of three seasons ago, Duncan's max bench press was still less than 200 pounds.

If you have long arms, it's hard to do bench press. Plus bench press has nothing to do with basketball. I don't know why they even test it anymore. It's useful to know for offensive lineman in football but that's about it.

[coachmac87]

This sounds to me like you never saw Durant play, not once


im a longhorn fan..i have seen him play....but im like everybody esle...never him go up agianst NBA talent bitch

[coachmac87]

There's no way it hurts his position. He's solidified at number 2. :)

Here's some other notes ...

Oden outperformed every prospect, including Kevin Durant, in drills. Even in speed and agility skills, he held his own with smaller, quicker guards.

Oden was faster than Durant in the 3/4-court sprint, quicker in an agility drill and had better results in vertical leap tests, according to The Oregonian. Oden also had only 7.8 percent body fat, by far the best among big men tested.

Among some of the numbers obtained by The Oregonian: Oden is 6-foot-11 without shoes, 7-feet with shoes; he weighs 257 pounds; his wingspan is 7 feet, 4.25 inches ; his running vertical is 34 inches.

Oden, however, didn't perform the bench press test — players are rated on how many times they can bench press 185 pounds — because of his recently injured right wrist. Durant was the only player unable to bench press the weight.

Durant, meanwhile, was slower than Oden in every drill. Oden ran the 3/4 court sprint in 3.27 seconds. The forward from Texas ran it in 3.45. Oden ran the agility drill in 11.67 seconds. Durant finished it in 12.33.

ok so how does this not hurt his stock...not saying he wont be the 2nd pick but u cant tell me that ur not uneasy with a professional athlete who cant lift their own weight

[Fillmoe]

this isn't football........ if you can put up 30 points a game, people forget that you cant play defense for shit........

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Do you have a 7 foot wingspan?


seven foot six brah

[timvp]

Man UT homeboy Dorrent gots a zero on his testses and peoples done gotted mad at me for the 8 I gots on my wonder lick man F dat

You tell them, Vince. :tu

[DDS4]

Maybe Boykins should be his bench press coach.

[coachmac87]

this isn't football........ if you can put up 30 points a game, people forget that you cant play defense for shit........


ya but isnt he supposed to be the next best thing??? a complete player??? how can we still say this if he cant lift any weights??? i mean i knew he was going to be weak...but damn he could not do it once...how is his work ethic..people trying to back him up saying he did not try...then dont draft a player who does not try..

[NorCal510]

if this is true thats sad

i bench more than that ho

[Kori Ellis]

ok so how does this not hurt his stock...not saying he wont be the 2nd pick but u cant tell me that ur not uneasy with a professional athlete who cant lift their own weight

It didn't hurt Duncan.

[mardigan]

im a longhorn fan..i have seen him play....but im like everybody esle...never him go up agianst NBA talent bitch
I really doubt you saw him play more than once or twice with how much you are doubting this kid. He played against some of the best competition in college and outplayed everyone. Stop worrying about his bench press, Garnetts been playing the post for years and I could bench more than he does, bitch

[timvp]

The biggest joke of the combine had to be Jared Jordan's no-step vertical of 14.5 inches. Jordan is a 6-foot, 183 pound point guard who some compare to Steve Nash. But 14.5 inch vertical? That's the worst vertical I've ever heard of from a basketball player. The second worst at the combine was 23 inches ... and that's pretty pathetic itself.

14.5 inches? timvp could top that in 6th grade.

[coachmac87]

who cares: Reggie Miller is skinner than a bean pole and he did just fine in the NBA!


he was a guard who ran around like a chicken with his head off...durants game has to change in the NBA...ok so all people who dont think it matters if he cant bench 185 than..how would he do if he never adds any muscle in the NBA...how good would u say he would be?

[timvp]

Tim Duncan can't bench 185.

Let's trade him.

[lordswing]

This isn't the NFL combine, NBA combine results mean shit. The longer your arms are, the harder it is to perform a "simple" bench press. There's a reason most world ranked bench pressers have short arms, it's EASIER for them, giving them a natural advantage. That's also why you won't see too many people with short arms ranked among the leaders in shots blocked.

[ChumpDumper]

how would he do if he never adds any muscle in the NBA...how good would u say he would be?Pretty damn good.

[coachmac87]

I really doubt you saw him play more than once or twice with how much you are doubting this kid. He played against some of the best competition in college and outplayed everyone. Stop worrying about his bench press, Garnetts been playing the post for years and I could bench more than he does, bitch


ok buddy...since when is the big 12 an excellent basketball confrence??? and u dont kno how he plays because his game is not like garnetts game..has a similar frame but garnett has super cat like quickness and he plays bigs..who do u think durant is going to play agianst? sf and small 4s right...hes going to need muscle if he lacks in quickness..hes got a great range on his j but i cant see him scoring on the low block in the NBA that weak and ur dumb if u honestly think thats possible....WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NBA!!!!!! this is not highschool and college....

[coachmac87]

Pretty damn good.


how do u kno that?

[mardigan]

ok buddy...since when is the big 12 an excellent basketball confrence??? and u dont kno how he plays because his game is not like garnetts game..has a similar frame but garnett has super cat like quickness and he plays bigs..who do u think durant is going to play agianst? sf and small 4s right...hes going to need muscle if he lacks in quickness..hes got a great range on his j but i cant see him scoring on the low block in the NBA that weak and ur dumb if u honestly think thats possible....WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NBA!!!!!! this is not highschool and college....
Like I said, I really doubt you have seen him play

[NorCal510]

nba players are pussies

[Fillmoe]

coachmac87 vs everyone on spurstalk........ :lol

[coachmac87]

Like I said, I really doubt you have seen him play


no sir i think its the other way around....adam morrison dominated the ncaa ranks and so did redick?? but the NBA is just totally different...he was a great college player and had the best freshman year ever...but if he was to have that same kind of impact he needs to bulk up...

[DDS4]

Brady Quinn did just fine on the bench press...look where it got him.

On the field/court play > combines.

[coachmac87]

coachmac87 vs everyone on spurstalk........ :lol


o yes... :toast

[coachmac87]

Brady Quinn did just fine on the bench press...look where it got him.

On the field/court play > combines.


talkin about basketball....both quinn and durant have something in common choking in the 4th

[timvp]

coachmac87 will never become scoutmac87. I'd take Durant second if he couldn't bench 85 pounds and had a ten inch vertical.

[mardigan]

no sir i think its the other way around....adam morrison dominated the ncaa ranks and so did redick?? but the NBA is just totally different...he was a great college player and had the best freshman year ever...but if he was to have that same kind of impact he needs to bulk up...
No part of Durants game is dependant on strength. He will be just as effective .But it seems that the only opinion that matters to you is yours

[ChumpDumper]

how do u kno that?how do u kno he wouldn't?

[coachmac87]

coachmac87 will never become scoutmac87. I'd take Durant second if he couldn't bench 85 pounds and had a ten inch vertical.


id take him at 2!!! but i put weight on that body....if he added weight and muscle than now were talkin about a future hall of famer...not satisfied with that weak stuff like u are...u might as well draft a school girl

[Bruno]

The biggest joke of the combine had to be Jared Jordan's no-step vertical of 14.5 inches.

His max vertical is 28.5".
I don't know how it's possible to gain 14" between a no-step and max vert.
It's kinda strange.

[coachmac87]

how do u kno he wouldn't?


becuase he has not played a single game in the league....not getting ahead of myself like u are...u just assumme he can make the jump right away with no problem..

[Kori Ellis]

His max vertical is 28.5".
I don't know how it's possible to gain 14" between a no-step and max vert.
It's kinda strange.

I saw that. I was guessing the 14.5 was a misprint but people who were there said he couldn't jump. So maybe the 28.5 is a misprint :lol

[GrandeDavid]

Do you have a 7 foot wingspan?

No, but if I did I'd bench a Shaq and a half at least twice.

[mardigan]

talkin about basketball....both quinn and durant have something in common choking in the 4th
This makes no sense at all and proves your ignorance of UT basketball. I watched or went to every one of his games this year in Austin, and to say that Durant chokes in the 4th makes you look like an idiot

[coachmac87]

No part of Durants game is dependant on strength. He will be just as effective .But it seems that the only opinion that matters to you is yours


ok so tell me how he will be so effective in the NBA...is he going to be a 6'11 reggie miller or rip hamilton???

[ChumpDumper]

becuase he has not played a single game in the league....not getting ahead of myself like u are...u just assumme he can make the jump right away with no problem..u just assummmmmmmmme he can't with all problems.

[mardigan]

id take him at 2!!! but i put weight on that body....if he added weight and muscle than now were talkin about a future hall of famer...not satisfied with that weak stuff like u are...u might as well draft a school girl
And how do you know that adding weight wouldnt totally throw his game off and make him ineffective?

[ChumpDumper]

ok so tell me how he will be so effective in the NBA...is he going to be a 6'11 reggie miller or rip hamilton???Damn, that would be awesome. I like the way you think.

[coachmac87]

And how do you know that adding weight wouldnt totally throw his game off and make him ineffective?


i dunno i want my no 2 pick to be a complete player...something that durant was in college he could work the low post and the outside...just want him to hold his own down there when he needs to and he will if he wants to make a career in the NBA

[ALVAREZ6]

That's terrible, but I'm not surprised...have you seen the guy? He's got the body of an 11-year old.


My max is 230 and I only weigh 150.

[timvp]

His max vertical is 28.5".
I don't know how it's possible to gain 14" between a no-step and max vert.
It's kinda strange.

Some people jump a lot higher when they run. But basketball players usually can at least have a decent no-step vertical. 14.5 inches is put to shame by most WNBA players.

And in basketball, no-step vertical is the one to look at. Rarely do you get the opportunity to run and jump during a game.

[cherylsteele]

Long arms. Not fully developed.

Who cares. He can hit from anywhere.
I remember Ice having some long skinny arms....I think he did alright.

[coachmac87]

Draft Projection: Top 2

Similarities: Kevin Garnett meets Dirk Nowitzki

Notes:
Durant has made his mark quickly in Austin.
(Jim Redman/WireImage.com )


Durant declared for the 2007 NBA Draft on April 10th. He will hire an agent, ending his college eligibility.

Positives: Durant has it all: size, length, athleticism and a sweet-looking jump shot. Can play multiple positions on the floor. Very active. Aggressive. Looks to score and can kill you inside and out. Zips up and down the floor. NBA range on his 3-pointer. Quick release and perfect mechanics on the jump shot. He prefers to play outside in, but he's proven he can rebound and block shots. Great hands. Good ball handler. Virtually unstoppable on the offensive end.

Negatives: Strength. Durant's body keeps him from being one of the most complete forwards in the game. He needs to add 15 to 20 pounds of muscle. Given his slight frame, that could be an issue. Doesn't play defense with any intensity.

Summary: Some scouts are calling him a mixture of Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki. Others say he's the most complete college player they've ever seen. His play as a freshman has been epic. Right now he's the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft behind Greg Oden with a small minority of GMs saying he could beat out Oden for the No. 1 pick.




hmmmm seems like this scout thinks kinda like i do

[coachmac87]

Negatives: Strength. Durant's body keeps him from being one of the most complete forwards in the game. He needs to add 15 to 20 pounds of muscle. Given his slight frame, that could be an issue. Doesn't play defense with any intensity.

isnt that exactly what i was sayin??? i think so

[ChumpDumper]

hmmmm seems like this scout thinks kinda like i doHe didn't say it would hurt his draft level.

[ChumpDumper]

isnt that exactly what i was sayin??? i think soNo, you say you wouldn't take him at #2.

Everyone thinks he could add some weight and strength, but they realize he's 18 years old.

[Fillmoe]

That's terrible, but I'm not surprised...have you seen the guy? He's got the body of an 11-year old.


My max is 230 and I only weigh 150.



:lol :lol


we dont give a shit fagvarez

[coachmac87]

i said i would take durant at two...scroll up and check that out...but everybody is saying in this chat room is saying that he does not need to add any weight( u said the same thing) and i was telling everybody that he did...thats my point...if he ever wants to be the great player he can possibly be he needs to get stronger

[ChumpDumper]

i said i would take durant at twoFantastic.

End of thread.

[coachmac87]

id take him at 2!!! but i put weight on that body....if he added weight and muscle than now were talkin about a future hall of famer...not satisfied with that weak stuff like u are...u might as well draft a school girl

[mardigan]

i said i would take durant at two...scroll up and check that out...but everybody is saying in this chat room is saying that he does not need to add any weight( u said the same thing) and i was telling everybody that he did...thats my point...if he ever wants to be the great player he can possibly be he needs to get stronger
Nobody said he couldnt add some weight, just that him not having a strong bench wouldnt keep him from being a great player

[coachmac87]

ouch check that out!!

[coachmac87]

i think its funny how people are trying to change their arguement once they realize that im right...o god it feels good to be right

[mardigan]

i think its funny how people are trying to change their arguement once they realize that im right...o god it feels good to be right
You only see what you want to see it would seem

[coachmac87]

Nobody said he couldnt add some weight, just that him not having a strong bench wouldnt keep him from being a great player


look faggot u were the one saying that i didnt watch him enough to kno how he played...and u were saying he didnt need to add weight...i used the bench press as an example how weak this kid is...admit that ur wrong..its ok

[coachmac87]

hey mardigan.."IT IS WHAT IT IS"...

[mardigan]

look faggot u were the one saying that i didnt watch him enough to kno how he played...and u were saying he didnt need to add weight...i used the bench press as an example how weak this kid is...admit that ur wrong..its ok
You probably never even saw him play "faggot"

[coachmac87]

ya i live in texas..bleed texas and never saw him play..u kno what u must stalk me or something...i kno more about basketball than u give me credit for...dude just read all about durant and his weakness and they will all say the exact same thing what i said...so unless thats not true than im wrong..but its true...so deal with it..and just accept it..ur the one seeing what u want to see..im stating facts..its a fact that durant is weak as fuck

[ChumpDumper]

So we're supposed to give you props for saying what everyone on this board and in the press and in the world already knew?

Ok, props to you for saying what everyone on this board and in the press and in the world already knew.

[mavs>spurs2]

For all you people acting like it doesn't matter that he can't bench 185....that's bullshit. Strength is an important part of basketball or any contact sport. For example, as great of a defender Bruce Bowen is, he will have trouble with Lebron James just because there's no way he can match him physically. I know Lebron doesn't bench 185, try about 350. If Durant ever hopes to be a superstar in this league then someone had better show him the weight room.

[fyatuk]

Negatives: Strength. Durant's body keeps him from being one of the most complete forwards in the game. He needs to add 15 to 20 pounds of muscle. Given his slight frame, that could be an issue. Doesn't play defense with any intensity.

isnt that exactly what i was sayin??? i think so

Nope, you've been saying he won't be all that good if he doesn't bulk up. The scout report says he won't be one of the most complete if he doesn't bulk up a little bit.

And for the record, MOST atheletes in any sport gain 15-20 pounds of muscle during their first full year. It's called having a professional trainer and getting paid to work out.

Durant will be fine. Will probably end up better than KG with a similar game.

Not being able to bench 185 should not stop anyone from considering him #2 or expecting him to have an excellent carreer. If it concerns you that much, I went from benching 150 to benching 210 in about 5 months when I was 22, without working out regularly. Dude's still a pup, so it's not unexpected.

[ChumpDumper]

He just couldn't bench 185 at this particular time.

It's really not a big deal for a 6'11" 18 year old.

[fyatuk]

For all you people acting like it doesn't matter that he can't bench 185....that's bullshit. Strength is an important part of basketball or any contact sport. For example, as great of a defender Bruce Bowen is, he will have trouble with Lebron James just because there's no way he can match him physically. I know Lebron doesn't bench 185, try about 350. If Durant ever hopes to be a superstar in this league then someone had better show him the weight room.

Bench press isn't as big a deal as you seem to think. Leg strength and back strength are more important in the post, at least if you're playing the post properly.

The ONLY thing benchpress might actually matter a great deal on is pushing shots through the defenders hands for the and-1.

Just out of curiousity, how is Lebron benching 350 going to help him on offense against Bruce Bowen? Unless Lebron is committing offensive fouls, that makes no difference.

[mavs>spurs2]

Bench press isn't as big a deal as you seem to think. Leg strength and back strength are more important in the post, at least if you're playing the post properly.

The ONLY thing benchpress might actually matter a great deal on is pushing shots through the defenders hands for the and-1.

Just out of curiousity, how is Lebron benching 350 going to help him on offense against Bruce Bowen? Unless Lebron is committing offensive fouls, that makes no difference.

Have you seen Lebron play? He bullies people all the way to the rim.

[Extra Stout]

I remember when David Robinson was in the draft, he benched pressed something like 24 reps of 240, which apparently was impressive for a 7-footer. Hopefully, we remember that David Robinson was not exactly a flaccid figure.

The guys who bench press a ton of weight generally have short arms, because they have to do less work to lift the weight. Very tall man with long arms will lift less weight.

To convert Kevin Durant's numbers to a more useful frame of reference, multiply the weight by 1.2. That would be roughly the equivalent of what a 5'10" man would have to lift to be doing the same quantity of work.

[fyatuk]

Have you seen Lebron play? He bullies people all the way to the rim.

If he's pushing people with his hands, that's an offensive foul. If he's using his body or shoulder, it doesn't involve bench press.

From what I've seen of him, he's like shaq and uses his shoulder and an outward push with his off forearm (which is barely related to bench press, if at all) and doesn't use his hands too much when he's driving.

Admittedly, I find the Lebron pretty boring to watch most of the time, so I haven't disected his game.

Just saying in general, bench press has little to do with basketball. How many times are you going to be pushing with only your arms straight in front of you?

[ALVAREZ6]

:lol :lol


we dont give a shit fagvarezYou know you love it Fillmore

[Extra Stout]

Also, Dwight Howard only benched 225 as a rookie. He now benches 400.

The strength and conditioning program in the pros is amazing. Durant will be fine.

[timvp]

For all you people acting like it doesn't matter that he can't bench 185....that's bullshit. Strength is an important part of basketball or any contact sport. For example, as great of a defender Bruce Bowen is, he will have trouble with Lebron James just because there's no way he can match him physically. I know Lebron doesn't bench 185, try about 350. If Durant ever hopes to be a superstar in this league then someone had better show him the weight room.

So since Duncan today can't bench 200, the Spurs should waive him?

[mavs>spurs2]

If he's pushing people with his hands, that's an offensive foul. If he's using his body or shoulder, it doesn't involve bench press.

From what I've seen of him, he's like shaq and uses his shoulder and an outward push with his off forearm (which is barely related to bench press, if at all) and doesn't use his hands too much when he's driving.

Admittedly, I find the Lebron pretty boring to watch most of the time, so I haven't disected his game.

Just saying in general, bench press has little to do with basketball. How many times are you going to be pushing with only your arms straight in front of you?

It's not about pushing your arms straight in front of you. :lol

Bench press is a measure of total upper body strength. It's not only arms but shoulders and back as well. Lebron uses his incredible upper body strength to get to the rim at will. Not to say hes not strong in the lower body too, he's just an athletic freak of nature.

[ALVAREZ6]

Also, Dwight Howard only benched 225 as a rookie. He now benches 400.
Me>Rookie Dwight

[mavs>spurs2]

So since Duncan today can't bench 200, the Spurs should waive him?

First of all, I find that hard to believe unless I see some proof.

Secondly, that's the difference in Shaq in his prime and Duncan. Duncan is easily the more skilled player but Shaq was more dominant overall because of his strength. Duncan is a great player but having a little extra strength would only make him that much better.

[Extra Stout]

Me>Rookie Dwight
Not so fast. How long are your arms?

[ALVAREZ6]

Not so fast. How long are your arms?Not so fast.


How much does/did Dwight weigh?

[mavs>spurs2]

Not so fast. How long are your arms?

It's not all about the length of your arms, it's more about the length of your arms in proportion to the rest of your body. If someone is 6ft 8 with a 7ft wing span, then they're going to have trouble with bench. Same goes for a 5ft 8 guy with a 6ft wing span.

[johngateswhiteley]

did not do one rep higher than 180...thats pretty weak...i dont care how good u are...i kno some middle school kids who can bench that at least once

thats what 7-8th graders max out on. lmao...

[ChumpDumper]

What have we learned in this thread?

Maximum physical strength can only be determined and attained by the age of 18.

Lifting weights can turn anyone into Lebron or Shaq.

[ALVAREZ6]

Exactly.


It's all proportional, you can't make the argument that taller people have a longer distance to push the weight. It's proportional.

Anyone who benches knows when they're maxing out, there's that one spot a certain amount of inches (generally few) above their chest that once they pass, the bar is going up no matter what, even if they still have a bunch to go because of having longer arms.

[Extra Stout]

Not so fast.


How much does/did Dwight weigh?
Wrong physics.

Work = weight being lifted x length of arms.

The weight of the person has nothing to do with it.

[ALVAREZ6]

thats what 7-8th graders max out on. lmao...not really...unless they're abnormally strong or started lifting at a very early age. 9th grade is the most common age for kids to start lifting.

[ALVAREZ6]

Wrong physics.

Work = weight being lifted x length of arms.

The weight of the person has nothing to do with it.It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

[fyatuk]

It's not about pushing your arms straight in front of you. :lol

Bench press is a measure of total upper body strength. It's not only arms but shoulders and back as well. Lebron uses his incredible upper body strength to get to the rim at will. Not to say hes not strong in the lower body too, he's just an athletic freak of nature.

Bench press is used as a measure of upper body strength, but shouldn't be. I've always been able to push outwards (to the sides) many times what I can push forward, etc. Some people skeletal structures prohibit certain movements. My shoulders are weird in that I can't really even do military presses.

Back when I was playing bbal on the playground I couldn't benchpress anything, but I could push people around on the court. Benchpress tests a specific set of muscles, but it is far from a decent measure of strength, let alone ability to apply that strength.

[mbass]

no sir i think its the other way around....adam morrison dominated the ncaa ranks and so did redick?? but the NBA is just totally different...he was a great college player and had the best freshman year ever...but if he was to have that same kind of impact he needs to bulk up...


I for one agree with you and I have watched him play - he looks frail to me and needs to get stronger. He should have stayed at UT at least another year. :blah

[ChumpDumper]

Why should he have stayed? Maybe he would've moved up one spot?

[fyatuk]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

If you're talking two people with comparable heights and builds, then yes, the person who weighs more would be able to lift more because muscle is denser than fat, so they have more muscle mass.

That actually has nothing to do with the physical definition of work though. Two people lifting the same weight the same height do the same amount of work. Someone with a longer wingspan uses more energy to move the same weight to their max height.

Get two people of varying heights with the same fat %, and proportionate body mass, and you will most likely see the one with shorter arms do more reps.

[Extra Stout]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.
Well that seems obvious for people of comparable builds. What does that have to do with your weight compared to that of Dwight Howard?

[Extra Stout]

Exactly.


It's all proportional, you can't make the argument that taller people have a longer distance to push the weight. It's proportional.

Anyone who benches knows when they're maxing out, there's that one spot a certain amount of inches (generally few) above their chest that once they pass, the bar is going up no matter what, even if they still have a bunch to go because of having longer arms.
The length of your forearms has something to do with grip strength, doesn't it?

[Despot]

How much could Shawn Bradley bench?

[johngateswhiteley]

not really...unless they're abnormally strong or started lifting at a very early age. 9th grade is the most common age for kids to start lifting.

i am sorry you went to a weak school. i benched 185 lbs in 8th grade and we had about 7 guys who benched more than i did...3 topped 200.

[Extra Stout]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.
When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

[conversekid]

it'll be easier to add a few pounds and some strength, as opposed to trying to develop a jumper or a post game... if his only problem is strength - i say the kid will be alright.

only caveat to that - didn't kobe try to bulk up one off-season and end up getting injuries the following season? I guess they need to make sure it's in proportion with his frame.

[Extra Stout]

It's not all about the length of your arms, it's more about the length of your arms in proportion to the rest of your body. If someone is 6ft 8 with a 7ft wing span, then they're going to have trouble with bench. Same goes for a 5ft 8 guy with a 6ft wing span.
Is it the ratio of wingspan to height, or wingspan to torso width that matters? If it's the latter, that makes sense because it would be more difficult to control the bar.

[conversekid]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

rage from creatine? creatine is a cell volumizer... nothing hormonal about that at all...

[Despot]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.


Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.

[michaelwcho]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.
So a lot of the people who post here must be using creatine!

[dallaskd]

Hes not a post, so its not like he needs to be big. But for any guy over 6'5 thats pretty weak.

[timvp]

Most players who make their living in the NBA as shooters don't bench press at all. In fact, some NBA teams have outlawed standard bench pressing because of how it can hurt flexibility.

[conversekid]

Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.

creatine is harmless ... it forces water into the muscle cell ... unlike water retention that lives on the outside of the muscle... read meat has creatine. supplementing it will just give you a larger amount, allowing you to reap quicker gains and improved performance. but it's not going to give you rage - unless you prick your @$$ and shove in some D-Bol and test. Creatine does nothing to change hormone levels.

[ALVAREZ6]

Well that seems obvious for people of comparable builds. What does that have to do with your weight compared to that of Dwight Howard?Dwight Howard is more or less proportionally equal to me, as a normal human being.

[johngateswhiteley]

Is it the ratio of wingspan to height, or wingspan to torso width that matters? If it's the latter, that makes sense because it would be more difficult to control the bar.

i hate getting involved in these types of conversations b/c there are so many people that don't know what they are talking about. durant's situation is simple:

1. he has long arms
2. he is young
3. he has puny shoulder width

of course, longer than proportionate arms will make it more difficult, but if you've noticed there are plenty of strong athletes that have long arms. those athletes just happen to have proportionate shoulder length.

[ang_mysteryo]

please find me that article!!! thats not true no player will be drafted in the nba if the cannot bench 135...get out of here

perhaps it's a 135 kilos.... :ihit

[ChumpDumper]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?

[ALVAREZ6]

i am sorry you went to a weak school. i benched 185 lbs in 8th grade and we had about 7 guys who benched more than i did...3 topped 200.Maybe you guys are the exception. That's very good for middle school. Generally they don't start heavy lifting that early for fear of stunting growth.

[mardigan]

Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.
Creatine is harmless, I took it for many years and never had any kind of imbalance. If someone else did that is probably a personal problem. It would make me cramp up sometimes, but Ive read that it can do that from time to time

[conversekid]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?

not I ... and i'm no mr olympia... i'm just a broken down old has been :)

[nkdlunch]

you know, if you think about it. I'd be surprised if Duncan could bench 210.

[johngateswhiteley]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?

no, i don't play bball. but, i'll break his neck in any other sport.

[conversekid]

Creatine is harmless, I took it for many years and never had any kind of imbalance. If someone else did that is probably a personal problem. It would make me cramp up sometimes, but Ive read that it can do that from time to time

definitely cramping... you have to really drown yourself with water on that stuff, because of creatine is doing... shuttling water into your muscle cells... it's quick to dehydrate you...

[ALVAREZ6]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?Being 6'8" and black sure helps...


I'm pretty damn athletic, but I'm a foot shorter with shorter arms than Durant. Give me his height and I'm dunking over everyone and shooting over people as well.

[ChumpDumper]

no, i don't play bball. but, i'll break his neck in any other sport.In what sport do people break each other's necks as a matter of course?

[johngateswhiteley]

you know, if you think about it. I'd be surprised if Duncan could bench 210.

there was a time when he couldn't, but i'd guess he is around 225-245...just a guess.

[mardigan]

no, i don't play bball. but, i'll break his neck in any other sport.
Not swimming you wont

[conversekid]

Being 6'8" and black sure helps...


I'm pretty damn athletic, but I'm a foot shorter with shorter arms than Durant. Give me his height and I'm dunking over everyone and shooting over people as well.

make me his height and i'd have to get a bigger chair at work.

[ALVAREZ6]

Creatine doesn't give you roid rage :lol


I don't use any supplements though, I don't feel like paying for that crap. Using creatine does tremendously though, anyone can get huge using it. I tried one dosage of my friends before and it gave me so much strength and energy right after a whole workout that I did the same shit all over again.

[johngateswhiteley]

In what sport do people break each other's necks as a matter of course?

none that i know of.

[ALVAREZ6]

In what sport do people break each other's necks as a matter of course?very possible in football and rugby

[nkdlunch]

Creatine doesn't give you roid rage :lol


I don't use any supplements though, I don't feel like paying for that crap. Using creatine does tremendously though, anyone can get huge using it. I tried one dosage of my friends before and it gave me so much strength and energy right after a whole workout that I did the same shit all over again.

creatine gets you big as shit. problem is, if you stop working out, you will become a fat ass.

I will recommend DO NOT take creatine, it fucks with your metabolism. I fucked up. so now I have to diet and work out or I'd be a fat fuck

[ChumpDumper]

very possible in football and rugbyas a matter of course?

[ducks]

That's terrible, but I'm not surprised...have you seen the guy? He's got the body of an 11-year old.


My max is 230 and I only weigh 150. :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

[ALVAREZ6]

creatine gets you big as shit. problem is, if you stop working out, you will become a fat ass.

I will recommend DO NOT take creatine, it fucks with your metabolism. I fucked up. so now I have to diet and work out or I'd be a fat fuckYeah, creatine will make you fat.


All the guys I know who use it are very strong, but have higher fat content. Once you stop using it, you'll gradually lose all that strength, am I correct???

If that's the case, once you start using it, you can't quit, and I'm not really looknig forward to that.

[dallaskd]

most nba guards are tall and skinny. he will fit right in.

[nkdlunch]

Yeah, creatine will make you fat.


All the guys I know who use it are very strong, but have higher fat content. Once you stop using it, you'll gradually lose all that strength, am I correct???

If that's the case, once you start using it, you can't quit, and I'm not really looknig forward to that.

that's not true. You don't lose muscle quicker. but weird things will happen. For example, before creatine I could eat a whole fried chicken everyday and I'd be skinny still. But now, I have to watch what I eat.

and you can quit anytime, but if you quit exercising you will gain fat.

[ALVAREZ6]

I'd imagine Ron Artest can bench a shitload...maybe even more than Ben Wallace. Big Ben seems like he's all triceps and biceps.

[dallaskd]

Yeah, creatine will make you fat.


All the guys I know who use it are very strong, but have higher fat content. Once you stop using it, you'll gradually lose all that strength, am I correct???

If that's the case, once you start using it, you can't quit, and I'm not really looknig forward to that.

creatine is bad on your heart too.

[conversekid]

creatine gets you big as shit. problem is, if you stop working out, you will become a fat ass.

I will recommend DO NOT take creatine, it fucks with your metabolism. I fucked up. so now I have to diet and work out or I'd be a fat fuck

and how does creatine affect your metabolism? it's a cell volumizer that keeps your atp/adp ratio high... it's even used in some forms of physical therapy. people who bulk up have to eat to get that big and when they quick working out, they steal have the same appetite... thus they get fat... has nothing to do with metabolism... ref: see me :)

[nkdlunch]

creatine is bad on your heart too.

it does make you stronger though and big.

[ALVAREZ6]

You don't really need supplements..a lot of the general public idiots feel they need supplements and what not to make themselves stronger faster and gain weight. As long as you can suck it up and just eat a lot of foot, it's the same thing. Eat lots of carbs and protein, consistently, it's the same thing as paying for supplements from GMC.

[nkdlunch]

and how does creatine affect your metabolism? it's a cell volumizer that keeps your atp/adp ratio high... it's even used in some forms of physical therapy. people who bulk up have to eat to get that big and when they quick working out, they steal have the same appetite... thus they get fat... has nothing to do with metabolism... ref: see me :)

it does fuck with your metabolism because for the rest of your life, you will have to watch what you eat or you will be fat as hell. unless you plan to work out everyday for the rest of your life.

well that's what happened to me at least. I dont' know if it happens to everyone. but I will say I got fucking huge after a month of taking it. and if I wanted I could have gotten really huge, except my girlfriend started getting scared so she told me to stop getting big.

[conversekid]

creatine is bad on your heart too.

it's being tested in some forms of therapy for congestive heart failure... i'm not sure how it damages the heart... if you have liver/kidney problems, you probably shouldn't take it.

and as far as losing gains if you stop taking it - that's true to an extent... simply because there isn't as much cell volume action going on and the size of the muscle will tend to "shrink" ... but using it for several months to put on a few pounds of muscle... then quitting... won't cause the muscle gains to go away.

[Despot]

How many here are actively lifting?

[ALVAREZ6]

and how does creatine affect your metabolism? it's a cell volumizer that keeps your atp/adp ratio high... it's even used in some forms of physical therapy. people who bulk up have to eat to get that big and when they quick working out, they steal have the same appetite... thus they get fat... has nothing to do with metabolism... ref: see me :)I'm not so sure about the same appetite thing, that simply may be your case.

For example, I try to eat a shitload, and I say try as in force feed myself...I'll eat more than I want to every night to get similar effects. I'm able to eat a lot simply from all the energy I use up lifting weights. On days that I lift weights I can eat a hell of a lot more. I still can't gain fuckin weight though, if I continue doing this through college I'd probably get fat. One day my metabolism will diminish and it's bound to happen. I'll just have to eat less when that happens.

[conversekid]

How many here are actively lifting?

i just started again after a few years off... too many injuries...

[conversekid]

I'm not so sure about the same appetite thing, that simply may be your case.

For example, I try to eat a shitload, and I say try as in force feed myself...I'll eat more than I want to every night to get similar effects. I'm able to eat a lot simply from all the energy I use up lifting weights. On days that I lift weights I can eat a hell of a lot more.

heheh... when i was lifting I used to eat close to 4000 calories a day (when i was bulking) and 3000 during maintenance phases... when i suffered all my injuries and couldn't lift any more... i still had that crazy appetite and blew up :elephant <-- is what I looked like... took mass calorie cutting to get it off.

[mardigan]

How many here are actively lifting?
I at least do curls everyday. I dont really bench anymore though, to hard on my back

[ALVAREZ6]

heheh... when i was lifting I used to eat close to 4000 calories a day (when i was bulking) and 3000 during maintenance phases... when i suffered all my injuries and couldn't lift any more... i still had that crazy appetite and blew up :elephant <-- is what I looked like... took mass calorie cutting to get it off.Oh I defnintely eat 4000 a day, well, maybe on days that I lift for sure. I'm not lifting as much at the moment, but it will pick up in about a week. My lunch was at least 1500 calories.


How much did you weigh at the time when you were bulking?

[timvp]

there was a time when he couldn't, but i'd guess he is around 225-245...just a guess.

No way in hell. I've watched Duncan bench and he struggles doing much on a machine bench press.

Unless you're Danny Fortson or Charles Oakley, all bench pressing does for basketball players is make them shoot worse.

[ALVAREZ6]

No way in hell. I've watched Duncan bench and he struggles doing much on a machine bench press.

Unless you're Danny Fortson or Charles Oakley, all bench pressing does for basketball players is make them shoot worse.My jumper got really good after starting to bench. I'm automatic from 3-point range.


And don't be fooled, a lot of machine presses are harder than a free bar, they're a bitch.

[leemajors]

sheeeit my man jgw can break durant's neck after a night of coke binging, threesomes, and vomiting after eating binges with marisa miller and lindsay lohan, waking up for anorexia therapy after a sleepless night, then beating tony parker in 10 consecutive foot races.

[ALVAREZ6]

People have posted a few pictures of Tim Duncan shirtless at practice before...it didn't look like he could bench any more than a 100 lbs.

[timvp]

My jumper got really good after starting to bench. I'm automatic from 3-point range.

How tall are you? If you're like 5'6 to 5'8 bench press doesn't have much effect because your arms are short. Thus your jumper wouldn't effected.


And don't be fooled, a lot of machine presses are harder than a free bar, they're a bitch.

You must use some broke down machines.

[ALVAREZ6]

How tall are you? If you're like 5'6 to 5'8 bench press doesn't have much effect because your arms are short. Thus your jumper wouldn't effected.



You must use some broke down machines.No, I don't use them at all, maybe that's why. But I'm not foolin you, machines can be tougher for people who use bars because you have to start already in the down position which is much harder. I can max way more on a free olympic bar than a machine press.

[mardigan]

People have posted a few pictures of Tim Duncan shirtless at practice before...it didn't look like he could bench any more than a 100 lbs.
He doesnt have a chest. That + long arms = doom on the bench

[ducks]

http://www.creatine-facts.com/

[ducks]

He doesnt have a chest. That + long arms = doom on the bench
his wife has a chest he does not

[ALVAREZ6]

He doesnt have a chest. That + long arms = doom on the benchYup.


I don't think him being a big bencher would change his game much, his shots are more finesse now than they are back you down and slam it in your face. His jumping wouldn't be affected either. Sometimes having lanky arms helps for getting those calls, Tim can make himself look really weak when he gets fouled and he draws them by flalling his arms everywhere as they come up. If he had Ben Wallace arms, he wouldn't be affected or it would take very good acting.

[timvp]

But back to the subject, bench press has about as much to do with basketball success as what each player's favorite color is.

Here's a trivia question: Which former or current Spur holds the all-time team record for max bench press?

[Kobulingam]

did not do one rep higher than 180...thats pretty weak...i dont care how good u are...i kno some middle school kids who can bench that at least once

What???

I think thats probably because of a lack in technique, experience. I know some skinny people who can bench over 200 and they aren't athletic enough to make it to NBA like Durant.

[ALVAREZ6]

But back to the subject, bench press has about as much to do with basketball success as what each player's favorite color is.

Here's a trivia question: which former or current Spur do you think holds the all-time team record for bench press?T-Mass


I don't go back too far so I don't know.

[mardigan]

Tim has that swimmer muscle, very deceptive strength

[mardigan]

But back to the subject, bench press has about as much to do with basketball success as what each player's favorite color is.

Here's a trivia question: Which former or current Spur holds the all-time team record for max bench press?
I would guess Avery Johnson

[timvp]

T-Mass


I don't go back too far so I don't know.

Negative.

Hint = He was on at least one championship Spurs team. :hat

[ALVAREZ6]

But back to the subject, bench press has about as much to do with basketball success as what each player's favorite color is.
Well once you're established as a great player, you're right, it won't change your game much. But if you get big early and develop a lot of body strength, it will do nothing but help. LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Vince Carter, Carmelo...without their size and strength, they're definitely not the same players.

[ALVAREZ6]

Negative.

Hint = He was on at least one championship Spurs team. :hatWEll I'd imagine D Rob but that would be too obvious.

[timvp]

I would guess Avery Johnson

Nice job :tu

I forgot the exact amount he benched but it was something ungodly for his size like 450-475.

[ALVAREZ6]

Nice job :tu

I forgot the exact amount he benched but it was something ungodly for his size like 450-475.That's sick.


Ungodly for his size and his voice.



BTW, how much does he weigh?

[timvp]

That's sick.


Ungodly for his size and his voice.



BTW, how much does he weigh?

AJ was about 5-foot-9 in shoes and like 175-185 when he was with the Spurs.

[ALVAREZ6]

AJ was about 5-foot-9 in shoes and like 175-185 when he was with the Spurs.Damn.


That's solid weight though for a guy only 5'9" with shoes.

[ducks]

aj has a big mouth
small body big mouth

[ducks]

is he going to fuck a fat girl?.....
do you?

[timvp]

Sean Elliott shortened his own career when in the summer of '96 he added 40 pounds of muscle. He got his bench up into the 400's after spending two to three hours a day in the gym in the summer.

The outcome is he lost flexibility and the extra weight took a toll on his knees. He missed almost two seasons because of that. In '99 he had shed the 40 pounds of muscle, regained his flexibility and became a miracle worker.

:smokin

[Extra Stout]

that's not true. You don't lose muscle quicker. but weird things will happen. For example, before creatine I could eat a whole fried chicken everyday and I'd be skinny still. But now, I have to watch what I eat.

and you can quit anytime, but if you quit exercising you will gain fat.
OK, that makes sense; once I stopped working out, I gained weight, but eventually lost the extra fat. My build stayed about the same until I got married.

Now getting married... that can make you fat. If I didn't have a strict prohibition on high fructose corn syrup and an aversion to process foods, I'd look like the native San Antonian I am.

[conversekid]

Oh I defnintely eat 4000 a day, well, maybe on days that I lift for sure. I'm not lifting as much at the moment, but it will pick up in about a week. My lunch was at least 1500 calories.


How much did you weigh at the time when you were bulking?
225 was the most I weighed before cutting... i would cut down to about 215.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Sean Elliott shortened his own career when in the summer of '96 he added 40 pounds of muscle. He got his bench up into the 400's after spending two to three hours a day in the gym in the summer.

The outcome is he lost flexibility and the extra weight took a toll on his knees. He missed almost two seasons because of that. In '99 he had shed the 40 pounds of muscle, regained his flexibility and became a miracle worker.

:smokin
That's a pretty interesting story. I never thought about the effect on a player's knees when he adds a shitload of muscle. But I thought leg strengthening fixed that?

[conversekid]

Sean Elliott shortened his own career when in the summer of '96 he added 40 pounds of muscle. He got his bench up into the 400's after spending two to three hours a day in the gym in the summer.

The outcome is he lost flexibility and the extra weight took a toll on his knees. He missed almost two seasons because of that. In '99 he had shed the 40 pounds of muscle, regained his flexibility and became a miracle worker.


Didn't kobe do that one off-season?

[mardigan]

Didn't kobe do that one off-season?
Yea, but i dont think he added more than about 20 pounds

[timvp]

That's a pretty interesting story. I never thought about the effect on a player's knees when he adds a shitload of muscle. But I thought leg strengthening fixed that?

It can but there comes a breaking point. Elliott went from 215-220 to about 255 over the course of one summer. His knees just couldn't support the added weight.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It can but there comes a breaking point. Elliott went from 215-220 to about 255 over the course of one summer. His knees just couldn't support the added weight.


That's fuckin crazy dude I never knew that. Can you dig up some pics of him during this phase? I bet it would be sig worthy.

[conversekid]

It can but there comes a breaking point. Elliott went from 215-220 to about 255 over the course of one summer. His knees just couldn't support the added weight.

that's a lot of weight to put on in a short amount of time... that would def cause problems on the knees and tendons...

[timvp]

Didn't kobe do that one off-season?

Yeah that was Kobe's rape trial summer. And he also had some of the same trouble with the excess weight. I think he too shed most if not all of the weight after seeing it only hurt him.

[timvp]

That's fuckin crazy dude I never knew that. Can you dig up some pics of him during this phase? I bet it would be sig worthy.

:lol It probably would be. His shoulders were huge around the beginning of that season.

In an interview, Elliott said he decided to put on all that muscle because he was tired of not being able to guard Rodney Rogers in the post.

:shootme

[LaMarcus Bryant]

If you can't guard Rodney Rogers in the post what point is there in living

[Pistons < Spurs]

please find me that article!!! thats not true no player will be drafted in the nba if the cannot bench 135...get out of here
Prince is a skillful all-around player and is considered an emerging star at his position. He combines a solid outside shot with the ability to drive to the basket, aided by his quick feet and impressive leaping ability. Prince's unusually long arms, with a wingspan of , help him to shoot at close range without getting blocked, and make him an excellent defensive shot-blocker. A southpaw, he is also an able ballhandler and passer, with a career average of 2.3 assists per game.
He has also recorded a 135 max bench press lift according to numerous teammates including Chauncey Billips, Rasheed Wallace, and former teammates Darko Milicic, and Ben Wallace.

http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/Tayshaun_Prince

[ALVAREZ6]

He has also recorded a 135 max bench press lift according to numerous teammates including Chauncey Billips, Rasheed Wallace, and former teammates Darko Milicic, and Ben Wallace.

http://www.blinkbits.com/en_wikifeeds/Tayshaun_PrinceWow.


That's aweful.

[mavs>spurs2]

No way in hell. I've watched Duncan bench and he struggles doing much on a machine bench press.

Unless you're Danny Fortson or Charles Oakley, all bench pressing does for basketball players is make them shoot worse.

Is that why all high school basketball coaches have their kids bench???

[smrattler]

In HS, a guy I kept going against in the gym, about 2 inches taller than me but had huge wingspan. Kept driving the ball and overpowering me in the air at the rim. I tried doing the same and kept getting the ball slapped back at me.

Went to workout together, I saw he couldn't bench 115!!!!! Hmmmm...

Next time, took him to the low post and had my way with him. :lol

Durant will struggle with low post defense for a while, but strength coaches will build him up to use his hips, legs, etc.

[mavs>spurs2]

According to Timvp all good nba players are weaker than your average 12 year old girl.

[timvp]

Dirk and his post moves are weaker than your average 12 year old girl.

That's a little harsh.

[dbreiden83080]

Wouldn't it be funny if that actually cost him the number 2 pick overall. It is like some of those idiot GM's in the NFL that pass up a WR with great hands simply because at the combine some other player with worse hands runs a better 40 than he does.

[ShoogarBear]

Nice job :tu

I forgot the exact amount he benched but it was something ungodly for his size like 450-475.Somebody in the early days of either this or SR claimed that AJ benched some amount like that, or maybe even higher (500?). Turns out that if you looked that weight up, it would be the US record (and top 4-5 in the world) for his age and weight, so I'm not convinced I buy that without a solid source.

[mavs>spurs2]

lol if you think thats good, a guy i went to school with won state in powerlifting for the 114 pound weight class. Weighed barely 100 pounds and benched 300.

[timvp]

Somebody in the early days of either this or SR claimed that AJ benched some amount like that, or maybe even higher (500?). Turns out that if you looked that weight up, it would be the US record (and top 4-5 in the world) for his age and weight, so I'm not convinced I buy that without a solid source.

I think I've seen it exaggerated upwards of like 550 or something impossible.

But 450 isn't unheard of for someone 185. In fact Earl Boykins weighing 133 and benching 325 is more impressive.

[Fillmoe]

Next time, took him to the low post and had my way with him. :lol


that kinda sounds gay....

[BeerIsGood!]

Earl Boykins is a human ant.

[Obstructed_View]

did not do one rep higher than 180...thats pretty weak...i dont care how good u are...i kno some middle school kids who can bench that at least once
Wow, maybe Seattle will draft one of those middle school kids and try to teach them basketball instead of putting the baddest motherfucker in college basketball into a weight program.

[41times]

I predict this lack of strength will make Durant fall all the way to #2 in the draft. Terrible isn't it!?

[ALVAREZ6]

tiger benches 400 as wellno he doesn't

[ALVAREZ6]

:lol at this chode


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlDWdfTAx8o&mode=related&search=


Now, that's where I can see the argument of having short arms...he has a huge chest and therefore only moved that 1010 lbs about 10 inches.

[mavs>spurs2]

it didn't even look like he locked out before they grabbed the bar

[Soul_Patch]

That dude is the strangest looking guy ive ever seen. what in the hell is wrong with him.

[ALVAREZ6]

it didn't even look like he locked out before they grabbed the barBecause his chode arms are a foot long and his chest comes out 3 feet.

[gregpschneid]

You have to factor in the length of someones arms as well. He dominated a bunch of guys in college who could bench more than him. What's the point of this? The kid will get stronger.

[DarrinS]

I doubt Teyshaun Prince could get that up either


I was thinking the exact same thing.



How much can AK47 bench?

[ALVAREZ6]

I was thinking the exact same thing.



How much can AK47 bench?Probably a lot more than Durant

[Vito Corleone]

bullshit. I could bench 180 when I was in 12th grade

I know 10th grade girls that can bench more than that. Of course I also knew 10th grade guys that were benching over 360 lbs. I knew one guy who by the time he finished his senior year was benching over 450 lbs.

I know no one that could play the game of basketball as a freshmen like Durrant can.

[mookie2001]

I guess Durant doesn't want to be picked by us since he performed very poorly. On the flip side, Oden blew everybody away! His speed and agility was off the charts for a player of his size.
you were right

[baseline bum]

you were right

ouch

[Sisk]

hahahahahaha

nice 2 year bump/call out

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If yall think this is funny, look at Tlong's college forum posts from years ago

[23LeBronJames23]

It Doesnt matter if he cant bench he was only 18 back then.
But he can average 25 PPG 6 RPG and nearly 3 APG

[greyforest]

bench press isn't a very good measurement of strength between people of different heights. power lifters tend to have very short arms, which means less leverage and less range of motion. some college weightlifter guy's range of motion was literally like one inch since his chest was fucking huge and he was like 5'4".

also powerlifters put on these vests that act like a springboard and then they can lift like 20% more weight with them.

benchpressing really puts lanky people at a disadvantage since leverage is such a huge variable. i bet tim benchpresses a rather "weak" amount too, if you don't understand physics.

[Sisk]

i hope everyone realizes this is from '07

[kbrury]

i hope everyone realizes this is from '07
wait what year is it? lol jk

[tlongII]

Durant is a good player, but he's nowhere near as important as Oden is to winning a championship. Watch and learn. I will turn in my unofficial Mookie Crew Virtual Member card if I'm wrong!

[My Fault]

Durant is a good player, but he's nowhere near as important as Oden is to winning a championship. Watch and learn. I will turn in my unofficial Mookie Crew Virtual Member card if I'm wrong!
Uh, a number 1 option isn't as important as Oden is to winning a championship??? Durant is clearly on a much better level than Oden.

[mystargtr34]

:lol @ all the unathletic people talking about how they can bench more than Durant in this thread.