All the pressure is on the Spurs to win this series:

[Kiss ma Grits]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron. Soon he'll become slower and struggling to stay in shape.

Even if Cleveland loses, which I doubt, they have LOTS of time to get back to the finals and like I said the CBA rules makes it more possible.

Teams use to BUY championships, but that's NOT the case now. Teams with superstars have a better chance at retaining their star players. Take Orlando for instances, they have $10-$11 million to spend in the off season. The most they can offer a player is 5 years $70 Million. The most that players team can offer is 6 years $90. NO PLAYER is gonna turn down $15 million and while you may be pounding on your chest, your window of opportunity is NOT as wide as ours. Tim Duncans are a seldom breed and after he's gone or has slowed down it will be tougher for you guys to replace that.

You have to win NOW!

If you guys lose it will be a tragedy for not only the team, but the fans of San Antonio. Win or Lose, Cleveland has a bright future ahead of them with Miami getting older and Detroit having a big question mark along with age. Going to the finals and watching this team improve year to year has taken ALL kinds of pressure off of us. We have a good mixture of young players to go along with experienced players. The thing that I'm happy about most is, it's our young guys who have been instrumental in us going to the finals. The veterans have done their part, but they haven't had as near the affect of us going to the finals as the young guys (Varejao, Gibson, LbJ, Sasha, etc.).

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king

[Trainwreck2100]

That's just swell.

[Extra Stout]

There is a postulate that says that because LeBron and the Cavs may have a dynasty going by 2012, this retroactively makes them more formidable in 2007. The skill travels back in time.

[Kiss ma Grits]

That's just swell.


I know :toast

[Trainwreck2100]

I know :toast
no you don't

[JustSpurs]

*yawn*

[Kiss ma Grits]

Yawn** (at watching the Spe-rms)

[Extra Stout]

Yawn** (at watching the Spe-rms)
Yes, the Cavs losing uncompetitively to the Spurs would be very boring for you. Plus, once the game is out of hand, your mom might make you go to bed on time.

[twentyone]

TD had his in a shorter time than James.

We know this, you can't claim a dynasty, or even a legacy before you have a trophy. You can't even claim it in 2, so spare your elitist talk for 3 years from now. Thank you drive through please.

[Kiss ma Grits]

TD had his in a shorter time than James.

We know this, you can't claim a dynasty, or even a legacy before you have a trophy. You can't even claim it in 2, so spare your elitist talk for 3 years from now. Thank you drive through please.

Can you say "ADMIRAL" :rolleyes


tick, tock, you time is running out....

[Kiss ma Grits]

Well, Tim Duncan is no shaq...

[Loose Cannon]

Yep, there's no pressure at all on the Cavs. It's only the NBA Finals.

[BigNasty]

Cavs in 4 .... :hungry:

[Trainwreck2100]

Can you say "ADMIRAL" :rolleyes


tick, tock, you time is running out....


Ok, with Lebron you're 0-4
Without David the Spurs are 1-3

33%>0%

[naico]

I actually think Lebron's putting a lot of pressure on himsel together with his teammates...They've never been here before and certainly don't feel relaxed or overconfident..Plus the media that brings all the hype surrounding the cav also puts a lot of pressure on them

[FromWayDowntown]

Has word of the Spurs 3 championships during this run not reached Cleveland fans? I'm not sure why the Spurs have pressure to win a championship when they've already won championships -- it's not as if losing this series will somehow erase the other 3 titles won during the Duncan era. Of course, I want the Spurs to win, but I don't think this group's legacy as one of the NBA's great teams somehow turns on whether or not they win this series. 4-0 would be better than 3-1, but it's not like 3-1 sucks or anything.

[BigNasty]

TD had his in a shorter time than James.

We know this, you can't claim a dynasty, or even a legacy before you have a trophy. You can't even claim it in 2, so spare your elitist talk for 3 years from now. Thank you drive through please.

As I recal TD had a guy named Robinson at his side....

[Trainwreck2100]

As I recal TD had a guy named Robinson at his side....

As I recall Lebron had an all star at his side in 03 and couldn't do shit then, In the East no less

[Kiss ma Grits]

As I recall Lebron had an all star at his side in 03 and couldn't do shit then, In the East no less

I HOPE TO GOD you're not refering to "Big Z" :blah :dizzy

[Obstructed_View]

As I recal TD had a guy named Robinson at his side....
You recal wrong.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!

[Trainwreck2100]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!


Carlos Boooooozer also knew enough to leave the franchise at his first opportunity.

[SAGambler]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron.

Let's see... Duncan has 3 NBA CHampionship Trophys (soon to be 4), Duncan has 2 RS MVP trophys, Duncan has 3 Finals MVP Trophys.........And Lebron James has........

NONE OF THE ABOVE.....

Yet you are already talking SMACK yourself about a Cleveland Dynasty......

Ever hear the names Wade, Anthony, Iverson, DWill, Boozer, Stoudamire, Nash, Howard?

They may also give James a run in the future....

Look, you guys have had a nice season and all, and should be grateful to have made it this far. But throwing around the word Dynasty, makes you look stupid when you have yet to actually win a trophy.

[Obstructed_View]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!
Who won?

[FromWayDowntown]

Carlos Boooooozer also knew enough to leave the franchise at his first opportunity.

Ah yes -- irony at its finest.

[Assman]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!

So you're basing Tim Duncan's ability on one play?

I didn't think I'd say it, but it looks like we might have found a fan base with less intelligence than Sun fan.

[Extra Stout]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!
The Spurs won that series 4-1 with three home laughers, remember?

[Kiss ma Grits]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron.

Let's see... Duncan has 3 NBA CHampionship Trophys (soon to be 4), Duncan has 2 RS MVP trophys, Duncan has 3 Finals MVP Trophys.........And Lebron James has........

NONE OF THE ABOVE.....

Yet you are already talking SMACK yourself about a Cleveland Dynasty......

Ever hear the names Wade, Anthony, Iverson, DWill, Boozer, Stoudamire, Nash, Howard

LMAO, Lebron has taken his team to the finals with ROLE PLAYERS, something the rest of those guys can't do with 2 and 3 allstars on their team because they don't have :king

[Extra Stout]

So you're basing Tim Duncan's ability on one play?

I didn't think I'd say it, but it looks like we might have found a fan base with less intelligence than Sun fan.
That's not really fair. Cav fans, as in the ones from Ohio, are probably pretty decent fans. The problem is that the LeBron bandwagon is nationwide.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Hey Grits.
Are you gonna be a Knicks fan in three years? Because that's where your dynasty boy bron will be playing.

[Extra Stout]

LMAO, Lebron has taken his team to the finals with ROLE PLAYERS, something the rest of those guys can't do with 2 and 3 allstars on their team because they don't have :king
AI did that back in 2001.

And give him credit, his Sixers did not get swept.

[Kiss ma Grits]

The Suns based had less intelligence because you guys cheated them with a hard foul, but we hit back

[Trainwreck2100]

AI did that back in 2001.

And give him credit, his Sixers did not get swept.


In this guy's defense he was probably 9 when that happened, so he prob wasn't paying attention.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Hey Grits.
Are you gonna be a Knicks fan in three years? Because that's where your dynasty boy bron will be playing.

NOT and here's why? when his contract is up, Cleveland can offer him 7 years $150 Million which is WHY he signed a shorter contract. Like I said, CBA rules allow teams to resign their stars to more money then anyone else. So when timmy leaves........

[Trainwreck2100]

The Suns based had less intelligence because you guys cheated them with a hard foul, but we hit back

the suns based has less intellegence?

[Soul_Patch]

Are most people that are NBA fans, outside of this board, under the age of 18?

[Extra Stout]

Hey Grits.
Are you gonna be a Knicks fan in three years? Because that's where your dynasty boy bron will be playing.
Well, since that is the nature of the bandwagon fan, I would say yes.

[Kiss ma Grits]

AI did that back in 2001.

And give him credit, his Sixers did not get swept.

He didn't go thru a defense like Detroit to get there either now did he? :toast

[Trainwreck2100]

NOT and here's why? when his contract is up, Cleveland can offer him 7 years $150 Million which is WHY he signed a shorter contract. Like I said, CBA rules allow teams to resign their stars to more money then anyone else. So when timmy leaves........


More endorsement dollars if he moves to the NY

[SAGambler]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!

LOL.....You really are a retard, aren't you?

Yeah, Boozer had some good games. But who won the war in 5?

See, that's why Lebron and the one man show Cavs really don't strike fear in anyone's heart.

We have already beat 3 teams to get here, which any one of would be favored against the Cavs. In fact, IIRC the Cavs were 1 - 5 against those 3 teams in the RS.

[MadDog73]

NOT and here's why? when his contract is up, Cleveland can offer him 7 years $150 Million which is WHY he signed a shorter contract. Like I said, CBA rules allow teams to resign their stars to more money then anyone else. So when timmy leaves........

Why would Timmy leave?

LeBron will leave so he can actually win something. He doesn't need more money.

[hater]

cavfans are the weakest of the jazz/suns/nuggets bunch. I guess it's their inexperience with important games.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Like I said, Cleveland can offer him up to $150 million and the Knicks can't come close to those figures....

[Trainwreck2100]

He didn't go thru a defense like Detroit to get there either now did he? :toast

you don't know the answer to this question do you.

[Assman]

the suns based has less intellegence?

Forget it, he's rolling.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Why would Timmy leave?

LeBron will leave so he can actually win something. He doesn't need more money.

Lebron has already proven that he can do it without moving. NO ONE thought that he was talented enough to get us here, but they were wrong. Timmy's time is running out..............AGE :toast

[ElNono]

cavfans are the weakest of the jazz/suns/nuggets bunch. I guess it's their inexperience with important games.

It's not just the fans, their team is the weakest of that bunch too.

[MadDog73]

Like I said, Cleveland can offer him up to $150 million and the Knicks can't come close to those figures....


Like I said, Lebron doesn't need more money.

He needs a Ring!

[Soul_Patch]

He didn't go thru a defense like Detroit to get there either now did he? :toast


:smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode:

[Extra Stout]

He didn't go thru a defense like Detroit to get there either now did he? :toast
Both the Pacers and Raptors in 2000-01 allowed fewer points per 100 possessions than the 2006-07 Pistons, and the Bucks allowed just 0.2 more points per 100 possessions.

[SAGambler]

LMAO, Lebron has taken his team to the finals with ROLE PLAYERS, something the rest of those guys can't do with 2 and 3 allstars on their team because they don't have :king

THEY HAD TO PLAY THE SPURS, STUPID!!!!!!

[MadDog73]

Lebron has already proven that he can do it without moving. NO ONE thought that he was talented enough to get us here, but they were wrong. Timmy's time is running out..............AGE :toast


Timmy's not done yet.

What exacly has Lebron proven? He can win the Leastern Conference?

Good for him. Hopefully for your sake he'll be satisfied being a big fish in a small pond.

[Kiss ma Grits]

New York is going backwards and their front office is a joke, Lebron's not going anywhere LMAO who turns down $150 million? Esspecially when they've gone to the finals with their present team? That's funny...

[BigNasty]

Spurs do have the pressure on them... Lossing to a rookie Cavs finals team would be a David and Goliath story...

[Kiss ma Grits]

Expect Timmy to foul out....Lebron's going to the basket with authority...

[MadDog73]

New York is going backwards and their front office is a joke, Lebron's not going anywhere LMAO who turns down $150 million? Esspecially when they've gone to the finals with their present team? That's funny...

Not as funny as you assuming Lebron will be satisfied being King of the Least. :lol

[Extra Stout]

cavfans are the weakest of the jazz/suns/nuggets bunch. I guess it's their inexperience with important games.
There is a direct inverse relationship between the quality of a team's fan base and the size of its bandwagon. Just because an 11-year-old kid in Connecticut, or a high school dropout in Shreveport, is jocking LeBron james right now, should not be a reflection upon the intelligence of Clevelanders.

[Kiss ma Grits]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO

[Soul_Patch]

Spurs do have the pressure on them... Lossing to a rookie Cavs finals team would be a David and Goliath story...


You guys have absolutely nothing to show for anything...yet you seem to think the finals are a lock.


i guess confidence is a good thing, stupidity on the other hand...well...not so much...

[SAGambler]

Why would Timmy leave?

LeBron will leave so he can actually win something. He doesn't need more money.

Yeah! How long do you think James is going to be satisfied in Cleveland? He is probably already trying to figure out how to move to Miami or LA.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Spe-rm fans be afraid, be very afraid because joke could be on you........Boy we thought Detroit took it hard, they have no idea.....hahahahahahaha

[MadDog73]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO

Wow, you must think the Cavs suck pretty hard to consider beating Tim to be an "upset". :lol

What, a 22 year old can't beat a 31 year old?!? Geez, what a weak King...

[hater]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO

wrong junior.

it would not be the biggest upset. It would be just an upset.

[Kiss ma Grits]

Mohummad Ali's upset won't compare to this hahahahahahaha

[Extra Stout]

Spurs do have the pressure on them... Lossing to a rookie Cavs finals team would be a David and Goliath story...
The thing about a team like the Spurs is that they primarily focus on what they do, rather than what the opponent does. So any pressure they feel has nothing to do with losing to the Cavs, but rather the disappointment of not winning the title when the opportunity is so close.

This is one of the mental disciplines a championship team learns by experience.

[Kiss ma Grits]

I'm just going by what's being said in the media like you guys are.....

[DfendtheStar]

Lebron has already proven that he can do it without moving. NO ONE thought that he was talented enough to get us here, but they were wrong. Timmy's time is running out..............AGE :toast
Oh KissMyGoutz there you go starting shit again. Let me ask you something.
Are you sleeping with Lebronze? Cause everyother word that you say is your cities supposed saviour from the pit of no championship hell. do me a favor take the boys limp cock out of your mouth before you speak so no more stupid shit comes out of it. Thank you.

[Obstructed_View]

Forget it, he's rolling.

http://www.bonistalli.it/images/bluto.jpg

[Soul_Patch]

live it up cavs fans. I guess when you live in a city with 3 pro sports teams and 0 accomplishments, you bask in anything you can possibly get.


I find it funny that SA has 1 pro sports team, but 4x the ammount of championships than all three of your teams combined.


i want to see each of you here friday morning after the lebron's get shutdown, and laughed out of the gym thursday night.

[Extra Stout]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO


I admit the Cavs suck.

[Kiss ma Grits]

ALL of the media across the country (with the except of Cleveland's) doesn't give us a chance so how wouldn't this be the biggest of all time? hahahahah

[MadDog73]

I'm just going by what's being said in the media like you guys are.....


Then you are stupider than I thought.

Have some balls and stand by your team...

I heard on the radio the Cavs only sold out like 19 of their regualr season games?!?

Where's the love for King James?

[Extra Stout]

ALL of the media across the country (with the except of Cleveland's) doesn't give us a chance so how wouldn't this be the biggest of all time? hahahahah
Because those of us older than 12 can remember bigger ones.

[Obstructed_View]

Mohummad Ali's upset won't compare to this hahahahahahaha
What are you talking about? You can't even spell his name. Are you referring to something specific?

[Kiss ma Grits]

Bye Spe-rm fans and believe me when I say, ALL the pressure's on you and thank you for not giving us a chance. I wonder what Lebron and the crew feels about it? Welp, we'll see tommorrow night.

[hater]

the guys is 12 years old. ignore him

[DfendtheStar]

What are you talking about? You can't even spell his name. Are you referring to something specific?
i dont think he's American....I dont even think he's from Cleveland.

[ambchang]

LMAO, Lebron has taken his team to the finals with ROLE PLAYERS, something the rest of those guys can't do with 2 and 3 allstars on their team because they don't have :king
2003:
NBA Champions: San Antonio Spurs

All-Stars, West:
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Steve Francis
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Gary Payton
Peja Stojakovic
Stephon Marbury
Yao Ming
Steve Nash
Chris Webber (DNP)

All NBA First Team:
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal

All NBA Second Team:
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Dirk Nowitzki
Ben Wallace
Chris Webber

All NBA Third Team:
Stephon Marbury
Jamal Mashburn
Steve Nash
Jermaine O'Neal
Paul Pierce

[Kiss ma Grits]

This is going down in history!!!!!!!!! LMAO

[MadDog73]

Bye Spe-rm fans and believe me when I say, ALL the pressure's on you and thank you for not giving us a chance. I wonder what Lebron and the crew feels about it? Welp, we'll see tommorrow night.

Translastion: I got owned so bad I got nothing left to say.

I doubt we'll ever see you again, unless the Cavs win one game.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't even have to finish reading this fool's post. There is no pressure on the Spurs you moron. The Spurs have been here before and have won so to try and proclaim there is more pressure now than before is ignorant. If anything LBJ will have to live up to his billing so your boy is under much more pressure than the Spurs..

[spursfan09]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!

I hope Lebron is stupid enough like you to think Tim Duncan and the Spurs are gonna be so easy to beat. Then the both of you will be in for a rude awakening!

[twentyone]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO

Hey is that a Suns fan? I know I've seen this somewhere....

[DfendtheStar]

Hey is that a Suns fan? I know I've seen this somewhere....
It has to be because theres no way a Cavs fan can be this cocky about the......Cavs???

[Kiss ma Grits]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...

[DfendtheStar]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...
I hope the Cavs get food poising and shit themselves at tip-off

[ambchang]

Lebron has already proven that he can do it without moving. NO ONE thought that he was talented enough to get us here, but they were wrong. Timmy's time is running out..............AGE :toast
I am pretty sure Bill Russell and Shaquille O'Neal has a lot more pressure to win than Lebron James at this point, age.

[MadDog73]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...

Why? Manu and Tony would still kick your ass.

I hope Lebron falls into a open manhole and gets eaten by a sewer alligator.

[Soul_Patch]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...


lol this guy just go's from bad to worse.


what a joke.

[DfendtheStar]

Kiss Ma Gout your not a Cavs fan

[ElNono]

Gotta love the trolls guys... We haven't had this much fun since what? the Suns series?

[BWJACKETS]

If the spurs lose, they're already saying that it would be an "Bigger upset" then the Warriors/Mavericks. It'll go down as the greatest upset in sports history...LMAO

The same people who are trying to dismiss Cleveland's wins over SA in the regular season are the same ones who tried to dismiss Golden State's wins over Dallas in the regular season. How did that turn out for the Mavericks again?? Oh, but according to Spurs fans it was only because they weren't playing well and they're much better now...first off, maybe you guys weren't playing well because the Cavs were controlling you guys, second, the Spurs aren't the only ones who have improved, the Cavs have improved as much or more so than any other team in the NBA since the start of the playoffs. Nobody is going to lie down for you guys, the entire goal from the start for Lebron has been to win a championship and nobody is going to stop that from happening, let's see what ya' got.

[Extra Stout]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...
He beat Detroit in 2004-05 on two sprained ankles. You need his foot to fall off, not just be injured.

[ambchang]

He didn't go thru a defense like Detroit to get there either now did he? :toast
And of course the Cavs didn't go through offense like the Mavs and Raptors this year.
What is your point? That nobody can go through the playoffs with a bunch of role players the exact way Lebron did with the Cavs this year? Sure, every year is unique, isn't it?

[DfendtheStar]

The same people who are trying to dismiss Cleveland's wins over SA in the regular season are the same ones who tried to dismiss Golden State's wins over Dallas in the regular season. How did that turn out for the Mavericks again?? Oh, but according to Spurs fans it was only because they weren't playing well and they're much better now...first off, maybe you guys weren't playing well because the Cavs were controlling you guys, second, the Spurs aren't the only ones who have improved, the Cavs have improved as much or more so than any other team in the NBA since the start of the playoffs. Nobody is going to lie down for you guys, the entire goal from the start for Lebron has been to win a championship and nobody is going to stop that from happening, let's see what ya' got.
no one said your going to lie down. That wouldnt be any fun for us. but make no mistake in the end your going to lose. plain....simple fact

[ambchang]

Spurs do have the pressure on them... Lossing to a rookie Cavs finals team would be a David and Goliath story...
Well, at least this argument makes sense.

[DfendtheStar]

Next thing you know Kiss Ma Gout is going to say the Browns are going to win the SB cause they got Brady Quinn and be all up on his cock

[Assman]

Can we get a VBookie on how many games the Cavs will have to lose before this guy goes MIA?

[BigNasty]

Well, at least this argument makes sense.

Trust me, after Bron and company win game #1, the Spurs will have 10 elephants on thier shoulders...

[SAGambler]

I hope Duncan injures his foot again...

And I hope "The King" gets the shits from chewing his nails will all that nasty bacteria on his hands, and has to run to the locker room every 2 minutes.

Did anyone ever tell James to quit chewing his nails like some horny teenage boy trying to impress some hot chick?

One of these days, I suspect he may accidentally chew one of his finger tips right off.

[Momma_monkey]

:p: Coach's in the NBA have a woody for POP. They want at least Three rings like him. :hungry: They are hungry for at least one freakin' ring.

His new AKA- Pinche Pop

[MadDog73]

Well, at least this argument makes sense.


Not really.

Spurs are old, they weren't supposed to win this year. It was supposed to be the Mavs or the Suns.

It's ridiculous to argue that somehow the Spurs feel more pressure to beat the Cavs then they did to beat the Nuggets, Suns or Jazz.

King James is just another challenge to overcome. No pressure, just desire to be the Champs.

[SAGambler]

The same people who are trying to dismiss Cleveland's wins over SA in the regular season are the same ones who tried to dismiss Golden State's wins over Dallas in the regular season. How did that turn out for the Mavericks again?? Oh, but according to Spurs fans it was only because they weren't playing well and they're much better now...first off, maybe you guys weren't playing well because the Cavs were controlling you guys, second, the Spurs aren't the only ones who have improved, the Cavs have improved as much or more so than any other team in the NBA since the start of the playoffs. Nobody is going to lie down for you guys, the entire goal from the start for Lebron has been to win a championship and nobody is going to stop that from happening, let's see what ya' got.

I could swear I heard Lebron say his "goal" was to be the richest man in the world.

Shows how much he should have went to college, if he thinks basketball is going to make him reach that goal.

[BWJACKETS]

I don't even have to finish reading this fool's post. There is no pressure on the Spurs you moron. The Spurs have been here before and have won so to try and proclaim there is more pressure now than before is ignorant. If anything LBJ will have to live up to his billing so your boy is under much more pressure than the Spurs..

Hey clown, past championships are exactly that, the past. They aren't going to win you any games. If the Spurs were to lose, which in reality is not that improbable, it would be a "catastrophe". "How could this young man Lebron James beat such a great team?" Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs, Lebron is going to get Duncan into foul trouble, and the Cavs can play big on the Spurs and dominate the boards. On a side note, Varajao will make Ginbili think twice before coming into the paint and flopping because he will draw plenty of offensive fouls particularly against this team.

There is no pressure on Lebron, he wants this series win and nothing is going to stop him. That's why he has had Michael in his ear telling him all the right things, why Lebron has been in Gibson and other players ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the West." This guy is getting his players mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. James is going to dominate this series and completely overshadow Duncan and the dirty Spurs. Just try and stop him, I can't wait to see it, he's going to be making so many plays the Spurs heads are going to start spinning.

[MadDog73]

I could swear I heard Lebron say his "goal" was to be the richest man in the world.

Shows how much he should have went to college, if he thinks basketball is going to make him reach that goal.


Really? Well, if you can prove to me that going to college will earn me over $300 million, I'll buy that argument.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm pretty sure that Tim Duncan couldn't care less if his team wins the Finals or not.

[Soul_Patch]

Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs, Lebron is going to get Duncan into foul trouble, and the Cavs can play big on the Spurs and dominate the boards.


lol...i mean really....lol....what in the hell.

[foodie2]

And I hope "The King" gets the shits from chewing his nails will all that nasty bacteria on his hands, and has to run to the locker room every 2 minutes.

Did anyone ever tell James to quit chewing his nails like some horny teenage boy trying to impress some hot chick?

One of these days, I suspect he may accidentally chew one of his finger tips right off.

Yes, the fingernail chewing, along with Flip's facial tics, were really, really getting to me while I watched the Eastern Conf. series. Now I just have to watch LeBron and his nails.

[Assman]

Hey clown, past championships are exactly that, the past. They aren't going to win you any games. If the Spurs were to lose, which in reality is not that improbable, it would be a "catastrophe". "How could this young man Lebron James beat such a great team?" Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs, Lebron is going to get Duncan into foul trouble, and the Cavs can play big on the Spurs and dominate the boards. On a side note, Varajao will make Ginbili think twice before coming into the paint and flopping because he will draw plenty of offensive fouls particularly against this team.

There is no pressure on Lebron, he wants this series win and nothing is going to stop him. That's why he has had Michael in his ear telling him all the right things, why Lebron has been in Gibson and other players ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the West." This guy is getting his players mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. James is going to dominate this series and completely overshadow Duncan and the dirty Spurs. Just try and stop him, I can't wait to see it, he's going to be making so many plays the Spurs heads are going to start spinning.

At first I wasn't really taking this series too seriously, but after that motiviational speech, I just pissed my pants :yield

[FromWayDowntown]

Look -- I think it's within the realm of reality that the Cavaliers could win this series. But the reasons for that belief have very little to do with any of the b.s. reasons offered in the various threads that Cavs' fans have posted.

[ambchang]

The same people who are trying to dismiss Cleveland's wins over SA in the regular season are the same ones who tried to dismiss Golden State's wins over Dallas in the regular season. How did that turn out for the Mavericks again?? Oh, but according to Spurs fans it was only because they weren't playing well and they're much better now...first off, maybe you guys weren't playing well because the Cavs were controlling you guys, second, the Spurs aren't the only ones who have improved, the Cavs have improved as much or more so than any other team in the NBA since the start of the playoffs. Nobody is going to lie down for you guys, the entire goal from the start for Lebron has been to win a championship and nobody is going to stop that from happening, let's see what ya' got.
Yes, after reading your post for the millionth time, we understand it is over-confident and cocky for Spurs fans to expect the Spurs to win, when Vegas is having the Spurs as being a 4-1 favourites, while it is perfectly alright for Cavs fans to expect the Cavs to win.

[SAGambler]

Really? Well, if you can prove to me that going to college will earn me over $300 million, I'll buy that argument.

It may not make you over 300 million. But then 300 million is chump change to a lot of guys that did go to college.

My point was he is not ever going to be the richest man in the world playing basketball.

Hell, even Mark Cuban could buy and sell James 10 times over, and even he probably doesn't make the richest top 50.

[MadDog73]

On a side note, Varajao[sic] will make Ginbili think twice before coming into the paint and flopping because he will draw plenty of offensive fouls particularly against this team.

I don't see how Varejao (can anyone from Cleveland spell his name right?!?) is considered that great when he shoots 53% FT! Manu will find a way to score, don't worry about that.



There is no pressure on Lebron, he wants this series win and nothing is going to stop him. That's why he has had Michael in his ear telling him all the right things, why Lebron has been in Gibson and other players ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the West." This guy is getting his players mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. James is going to dominate this series and completely overshadow Duncan and the dirty Spurs. Just try and stop him, I can't wait to see it, he's going to be making so many plays the Spurs heads are going to start spinning.

Wrong. This is Lebrons biggest series ever, and he's expected to carry the team. He will carry the wieght of the world on his shoulders.

That said, he will score 30-40 pts a game. But unless some other Cav can consistently score 20+ points, the Cavs will lose.

Unlike Detroit, Lebron cannot beat the Spurs by himself.

[BWJACKETS]

At first I wasn't really taking this series too seriously, but after that motiviational speech, I just pissed my pants :yield

LOL

[ambchang]

Trust me, after Bron and company win game #1, the Spurs will have 10 elephants on thier shoulders...
I doubt it.
The Nuggets won Game 1, see how that series turned out.

[MadDog73]

Hell, even Mark Cuban could buy and sell James 10 times over, and even he probably doesn't make the richest top 50.


I thought Mark Cuban didn't go to college either?

[Extra Stout]

the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs
:lmao

[FromWayDowntown]

:lmao

I'm sure Cleveland is all abuzz with the news that NBA League Pass will finally be available there for the 2007-08 season.

[Soul_Patch]

The cavs are gonna win game 1 209 to 10 and the rest of the series will be canceled because the spurs will be too scared to play anymore -- Lebron will average 150 pts and have 49 assists with 80 rebounds.

The spurs will just run in fear each time lebron gets the hand off at the top of the key...because they will not know what in the hell to do. Eventually the fans will have to come down and hang on lebrons legs to try and keep him from flying off the earth completely.

Popovich will pass out the koolaid to end it all sometime around halftime, because it will be alot easier than having their heads truly explode in amazement.


wow...i cant fathom how this will play out on TV. The cavaliers will then go on and win the MLB penant just because they are that bad ass. Lebron will hit a home run that travels clear around the earth twice, while he is waiting on it to finish traveling, he will go to france to smash the french open, and take that title, only to be back in time to score the winning run in the world series.

this team is just fucking amazing...

It doesnt stop there.

[MadDog73]

We should start a "LeBron is so good..." thread. :lol

[ambchang]

Hey clown, past championships are exactly that, the past. They aren't going to win you any games.

But evidently, a 2-0 regular season record will.


If the Spurs were to lose, which in reality is not that improbable, it would be a "catastrophe". "How could this young man Lebron James beat such a great team?" Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs, Lebron is going to get Duncan into foul trouble, and the Cavs can play big on the Spurs and dominate the boards.

Yes Nostradumbass, please reveal more of the future for me.


On a side note, Varajao will make Ginbili think twice before coming into the paint and flopping because he will draw plenty of offensive fouls particularly against this team.

Haven't you heard? Players flop on D.


There is no pressure on Lebron, he wants this series win and nothing is going to stop him. That's why he has had Michael in his ear telling him all the right things, why Lebron has been in Gibson and other players ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the West." This guy is getting his players mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. James is going to dominate this series and completely overshadow Duncan and the dirty Spurs. Just try and stop him, I can't wait to see it, he's going to be making so many plays the Spurs heads are going to start spinning.

I just talked to my team that we are going to win that $6 billion deal from the client, with a 250% profit margin, because there is no pressure on me, I want that deal and nothing is going to stop me. That's why he has had Warren Buffet in my ear telling me all the right things, why I have been in Larry and other team members' ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the competition." I am getting my team members mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. I am going to dominate this pitch and completely overshadow the dirty competition. Just try and stop me, some idiotic poster on some business board can't wait to see it, I'm going to be making so much money the competition's head is going to start spinning.

[Soul_Patch]

This just in...


Lebron signs a 50 year contract to play for the browns in the NFL. For the first time in history a player will act as both quarterback and wide reciever.


The browns are now odds on favorites to win the superbowl untill the year 2040. By then lebron will be nearing 55 years old, and could start to slow down a bit, possibly reducing his playing time to quarter back only.


more on this story as it surfaces.

[Obstructed_View]

We should start a "LeBron is so good..." thread. :lol
Great idea.

[BWJACKETS]

I don't see how Varejao (can anyone from Cleveland spell his name right?!?) is considered that great when he shoots 53% FT! Manu will find a way to score, don't worry about that.



Wrong. This is Lebrons biggest series ever, and he's expected to carry the team. He will carry the wieght of the world on his shoulders.

That said, he will score 30-40 pts a game. But unless some other Cav can consistently score 20+ points, the Cavs will lose.

Unlike Detroit, Lebron cannot beat the Spurs by himself.

Plenty of good points. However, one thing I need to disagree with you on is that Lebron did not beat Detroit by himself, he carried the offense at times, most notably Game 5, however he could not have gotten here without this team playing lockdown defense, they played good defense all playoffs but they turned the dial way up against Detroit, they absolutely smothered those shooters that the Pistons have.

The Spurs have a trio in Duncan, Parker and Ginobili who are capable of putting up alot of points and controlling games. However, after shutting down Chauncey Billups, who if I am not incorrect was near the top of the league in assist-turnover ratio among PG's, I am confident that the Cavs defense can hold Ginobili and Parker well below their season averages.

Duncan is the guy that worries me, however I think the Cavs and especially Lebron can do enough to get him in foul trouble and negate his impact on the game. With Duncan on the court, edge goes to SA, if Cleveland can get him out of there though I definately think Cavs have the edge. Lebron could take it to the hole and take Duncan to school scoring, what worries me is that Cleveland has outrebounded all of their opponents decisively, I still think they will outrebound San Antonio and that will allow them to control some of these games, however if they get Duncan out I think their edge in the paint will be a pretty big edge.

On a side note, San Antonio's plan to single-cover Lebron with Bowen will last about 5 minutes into Game 1 before Cleveland goes on a big run, SA should be doubling Lebron with Bowen and Ginobili/Parker at all times, Detroit threw all kinds of defenses at Lebron and he just seemed to break through them all. Bowen has good defensive skills but he is older and it wouldn't hurt for him to get some help from a small guy with better speed. Nobody in the league can single-cover James, he might score every time down the court if you give him that. Put Bowen on him and Ginobili, Manu knows how to flop and he could maybe draw Lebron into some offensive fouls, depending on how the officiating is.

[Extra Stout]

On a side note, San Antonio's plan to single-cover Lebron with Bowen will last about 5 minutes into Game 1 before Cleveland goes on a big run, SA should be doubling Lebron with Bowen and Ginobili/Parker at all times, Detroit threw all kinds of defenses at Lebron and he just seemed to break through them all. Bowen has good defensive skills but he is older and it wouldn't hurt for him to get some help from a small guy with better speed. Nobody in the league can single-cover James, he might score every time down the court if you give him that.
The Spurs might be able to live with LeBron scoring 40, depending on how many shots it takes to get there, and whether they can shut down his teammates in the meantime.

[twincam]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron. Soon he'll become slower and struggling to stay in shape.

Even if Cleveland loses, which I doubt, they have LOTS of time to get back to the finals and like I said the CBA rules makes it more possible.

Teams use to BUY championships, but that's NOT the case now. Teams with superstars have a better chance at retaining their star players. Take Orlando for instances, they have $10-$11 million to spend in the off season. The most they can offer a player is 5 years $70 Million. The most that players team can offer is 6 years $90. NO PLAYER is gonna turn down $15 million and while you may be pounding on your chest, your window of opportunity is NOT as wide as ours. Tim Duncans are a seldom breed and after he's gone or has slowed down it will be tougher for you guys to replace that.

You have to win NOW!

If you guys lose it will be a tragedy for not only the team, but the fans of San Antonio. Win or Lose, Cleveland has a bright future ahead of them with Miami getting older and Detroit having a big question mark along with age. Going to the finals and watching this team improve year to year has taken ALL kinds of pressure off of us. We have a good mixture of young players to go along with experienced players. The thing that I'm happy about most is, it's our young guys who have been instrumental in us going to the finals. The veterans have done their part, but they haven't had as near the affect of us going to the finals as the young guys (Varejao, Gibson, LbJ, Sasha, etc.).

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king

It's obvious that you don't possess EXPERIENCE. You need a TEAM to win a Championship, not an INDIVIDUAL.

:donkey

[jbspurs]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!


And who gets the win?

[Budkin]

Enjoy this series while you can Cavs fans because it's going to be short. :smokin

[MadDog73]

The Spurs have a trio in Duncan, Parker and Ginobili who are capable of putting up alot of points and controlling games. However, after shutting down Chauncey Billups, who if I am not incorrect was near the top of the league in assist-turnover ratio among PG's, I am confident that the Cavs defense can hold Ginobili and Parker well below their season averages.

That will be key... you have to stop BOTH. And there's Finley too, while although not a top 3 player for the Spurs, he is scoring in double digits.



Duncan is the guy that worries me, however I think the Cavs and especially Lebron can do enough to get him in foul trouble and negate his impact on the game. I don't expect to see Duncan guarding LeBron much for that reason. That said, Duncan is a smart player and hopefully won't be picking up lots of fouls.



On a side note, San Antonio's plan to single-cover Lebron with Bowen will last about 5 minutes into Game 1 before Cleveland goes on a big run, SA should be doubling Lebron with Bowen and Ginobili/Parker at all times, Detroit threw all kinds of defenses at Lebron and he just seemed to break through them all. Bowen has good defensive skills but he is older and it wouldn't hurt for him to get some help from a small guy with better speed. Nobody in the league can single-cover James, he might score every time down the court if you give him that. Put Bowen on him and Ginobili, Manu knows how to flop and he could maybe draw Lebron into some offensive fouls, depending on how the officiating is.

No sure what Spurs plan for guarding LeBron will be. It's not like the Spurs have lost a series by having players seem to score at will: Amare and Nash come to mind, as well as D. Williams from Utah.

Now, I'll give you that LeBron is better than those players potentially, but you haven't convinced me you'll be able to outscore The Big Three.

You may slow down Parker or Manu, but to slow down both AND to get Duncan in trouble is a huge task, especially in a team's first Finals.

I respect the Cavs, and think they are THE team in the East. If they can get another player to complement LeBron, they will be Title Contenders.

[dbreiden83080]

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king

I see so if the Spurs win the series your are banking on Lebron winning 5 titles or more in his career. Setting some pretty unrealistic standards don't ya think?

[ehz33satx]

This kid keeps harping on how the Cavs beat the Spurs 2 times this past regular season, which is very important to him, yet turns around and says our 3 championships and the experience it brings doesn't mean anything. He says the past don't mean squat, yet the Cavs will lay waste to the Spurs because 2 wins proves it. So does experience mean anything, yes or no?

[dbreiden83080]

Well, Tim Duncan is no shaq...

Your right he is better than Shaq. Look at the supporting cast he has done just as much with less around him. Shaq won 3 titles with one of the best players of all time playing along side him.

[Mr. Body]

"[Spurs] make love to pressure."

- Stephen Jackson.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hey clown, past championships are exactly that, the past. They aren't going to win you any games. If the Spurs were to lose, which in reality is not that improbable, it would be a "catastrophe". "How could this young man Lebron James beat such a great team?" Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs, Lebron is going to get Duncan into foul trouble, and the Cavs can play big on the Spurs and dominate the boards. On a side note, Varajao will make Ginbili think twice before coming into the paint and flopping because he will draw plenty of offensive fouls particularly against this team.

There is no pressure on Lebron, he wants this series win and nothing is going to stop him. That's why he has had Michael in his ear telling him all the right things, why Lebron has been in Gibson and other players ears getting them ready "to take on the Big Bad Wolf of the West." This guy is getting his players mentally prepared for the battle and coming in with all the confidence. James is going to dominate this series and completely overshadow Duncan and the dirty Spurs. Just try and stop him, I can't wait to see it, he's going to be making so many plays the Spurs heads are going to start spinning.

let's sum your post up
LBJ is the best of all time
him team sucks but he is good enough to carry them
MJ told LBJ something and that will help the cavs
the cavs play better defense even thoug they play in a JV conference and the Spurs statistically play better d?..
and finally your flawed logic concerning the lebrons
..the spurs have already played better teams than the cavs!!..but,but,but I'm the clown.. you'll disappear like all the other fans who were punked by the Spurs..

oh and by the way under your ridiculous ginobili scenerio he will just dump the ball off to the spurs big that varajo left to stop manu..

[dbreiden83080]

let's sum your post up
LBJ is the best of all time
him team sucks but he is good enough to carry them
MJ told LBJ something and that will help the cavs
the cavs play better defense even thoug they play in a JV conference and the Spurs statistically play better d?..
and finally your flawed logic concerning the lebrons
..the spurs have already played better teams than the cavs!!..but,but,but I'm the clown.. you'll disappear like all the other fans who were punked by the Spurs..

I really am waiting for the Spurs to lose game 1 and have the fans and media go nuts only for the Spurs to real off 4 in a row like they have so many times before.

[BWJACKETS]

Enjoy this series while you can Cavs fans because it's going to be short. :smokin

No way, this series will be just like the ECF, a very hardnosed series between two defensive-minded teams. No way a series like that doesn't go at least 6.

[Mr. Body]

No way, this season will be just like the ECF, a very hardnosed series between two defensive-minded teams. No way a series like that doesn't go at least 6.

When one team is head, and shoulders, and most of a torso, and the tip of an enormous schlong above the other, like Cleveland is over San Antonio, I suspect the series will end really fast.

[dbreiden83080]

No way, this season will be just like the ECF, a very hardnosed series between two defensive-minded teams. No way a series like that doesn't go at least 6.

Maybe, if the Cavs get out of SA with a split i can see 6 games. However if they get blown out in games 1 and 2, Spurs will end it in 5.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I really am waiting for the Spurs to lose game 1 and have the fans and media go nuts only for the Spurs to real off 4 in a row like they have so many times before.


No it's not going to happen like that. See the cav fans can have it both ways.. on one hand if they lose it will be because we are thome and they've already come back from being down 0-2. If they win it will be because they are better than the Spurs and they will win the championship..now they can have it both ways.. now if the spurs do lose game 1 we all here won't panic but boy will those cav bangwaggoners be going wild..

[samikeyp]

I admire your spirit and hopefully you have been a Cavs fan for a long time and are not just some bandwagoning loser who arrived when LeBron did.


Well, it'll happen because the Cavs play better defense than the Spurs

Oops....ya had me until here. :)

Welcome though. :toast

[MadDog73]

I picked the series going to six.

Spurs aren't perfect, LeBron is good, some other Cav could have another 30 point game.

I'm not such a homer that I can't see the Spurs losing at all...

[BWJACKETS]

Your right he is better than Shaq. Look at the supporting cast he has done just as much with less around him. Shaq won 3 titles with one of the best players of all time playing along side him.

I hope you aren't calling Kobe Bryant one of the best of all time, because he isn't even close. Kobe won his titles because HE was playing with one of the best of all time, not the other way around. Same goes for Dwayne Wade, even an over the hill Shaq was enough to put that team over the hump.

If we are comparing Shaq right now to Duncan right now, then yes Duncan is better, however that also isn't a fair comparison. If we are comparing Shaq in his prime to Duncan in his prime, I would take Shaq, however obviously there would be a strong argument for taking Duncan in that situation as well.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I hope you aren't calling Kobe Bryant one of the best of all time, because he isn't even close. Kobe won his titles because HE was playing with one of the best of all time, not the other way around. Same goes for Dwayne Wade, even an over the hill Shaq was enough to put that team over the hump.

If we are comparing Shaq right now to Duncan right now, then yes Duncan is better, however that also isn't a fair comparison. If we are comparing Shaq in his prime to Duncan in his prime, I would take Shaq, however obviously there would be a strong argument for taking Duncan in that situation as well.


Kobe is one of the best of all time

[samikeyp]

I picked the series going to six.

Spurs aren't perfect, LeBron is good, some other Cav could have another 30 point game.

I'm not such a homer that I can't see the Spurs losing at all...

I would agree. Its the NBA finals...the two teams that are here are here because they are good enough to win the championship.

I think its funny though, that when a Spurs fan picks their team to win, they are being homers (or haters depending on who is saying it) but if a Cavs fan picks their team to win....they are being loyal.

Thursday can't come soon enough.

[dbreiden83080]

I hope you aren't calling Kobe Bryant one of the best of all time, because he isn't even close. Kobe won his titles because HE was playing with one of the best of all time, not the other way around. Same goes for Dwayne Wade, even an over the hill Shaq was enough to put that team over the hump.

If we are comparing Shaq right now to Duncan right now, then yes Duncan is better, however that also isn't a fair comparison. If we are comparing Shaq in his prime to Duncan in his prime, I would take Shaq, however obviously there would be a strong argument for taking Duncan in that situation as well.

Yes Kobe is one of the best ever are you kidding me? Name me a 2 guard that has ever played the game other than Jordan who is better? He is at least in the top 3 at that position of all time. Duncan has and is playing with some good players but never anyone like that. Wade is also better than anyone Duncan has played with. Over the hump did you not watch the finals last year. That was the Wade show Shaq did almost nothing in that series but act as a decoy.

[CosmicCowboy]

now if the spurs do lose game 1 we all here won't panic but boy will those cav bangwaggoners be going wild..

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

If the Spurs lose game 1 half the posters in here will be jumping off the ledge...:lol

[dbreiden83080]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

If the Spurs lose game 1 half the posters in here will be jumping off the ledge...:lol

Which is stupid because they have lost game 1 and come back to win series easily in the playoffs countless times.

[easjer]

The problem is that BWJackets continues to delude himself into believing that what the Pistons put forward in that series was hard-nosed, championship level defense. It was not. I don't expect him to understand, since he's apparently watched about 30 games in his life, but that's where all the arrogance and cockiness and predictions come from.

He clearly hasn't watched the Spurs this season. Or he couldn't refer back to the RS with authority. He clearly hasn't watched the Spurs this postseason, or he'd know better than to claim we can't shut teams down while letting their superstars go off. He clearly didn't watch pre-Flip Detriot, or he'd know what real defense looks like.

This kid still thinks that really bad offense is a product of super-lockdown-D, when sometimes, it's just bad offense.

I can't wonder at his ludicrous claims anymore, now that I understand the delusion he lives under. It's going to hurt when they lose for him. But of course, if he comes back, he'll just go on about how much they learned and how their superstar is younger so they've got way more potential and that's just as good as holding up a trophy.

[thispego]

san antonio and cleveland have NEVER lost in the finals... This is one thing clevelanders will never be able to say again. prepare for your first finals loss cleveland.

[spurastic]

Awwww, let the little Cavs fan have "his glass is half full" philosophy. Everyone needs hope.

[BWJACKETS]

Yes Kobe is one of the best ever are you kidding me? Name me a 2 guard that has ever played the game other than Jordan who is better? He is at least in the top 3 at that position of all time. Duncan has and is playing with some good players but never anyone like that. Wade is also better than anyone Duncan has played with. Over the hump did you not watch the finals last year. That was the Wade show Shaq did almost nothing in that series but act as a decoy.

Alright then, tell me why Kobe hasn't done anything without Shaq? Kobe may be a great scorer but he isn't a guy who will make your team better, so he can't be one of the best of all time. I just don't see how you can say that Shaq didn't completely put both Kobe and Wade over the top, neither one of them has done anything without him on their roster. Kobe was winning championships with Shaq and now he can't even make it out of the first round (and don't say it's entirely for lack of talent either, Bynum is a 7-footer with skills and Odom is a good all-around forward in his own right).

[TampaDude]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron. Soon he'll become slower and struggling to stay in shape.

Even if Cleveland loses, which I doubt, they have LOTS of time to get back to the finals and like I said the CBA rules makes it more possible.

Teams use to BUY championships, but that's NOT the case now. Teams with superstars have a better chance at retaining their star players. Take Orlando for instances, they have $10-$11 million to spend in the off season. The most they can offer a player is 5 years $70 Million. The most that players team can offer is 6 years $90. NO PLAYER is gonna turn down $15 million and while you may be pounding on your chest, your window of opportunity is NOT as wide as ours. Tim Duncans are a seldom breed and after he's gone or has slowed down it will be tougher for you guys to replace that.

You have to win NOW!

If you guys lose it will be a tragedy for not only the team, but the fans of San Antonio. Win or Lose, Cleveland has a bright future ahead of them with Miami getting older and Detroit having a big question mark along with age. Going to the finals and watching this team improve year to year has taken ALL kinds of pressure off of us. We have a good mixture of young players to go along with experienced players. The thing that I'm happy about most is, it's our young guys who have been instrumental in us going to the finals. The veterans have done their part, but they haven't had as near the affect of us going to the finals as the young guys (Varejao, Gibson, LbJ, Sasha, etc.).

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king

:sleep Spurs in 5. 'nuff said...

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron. Soon he'll become slower and struggling to stay in shape.

Even if Cleveland loses, which I doubt, they have LOTS of time to get back to the finals and like I said the CBA rules makes it more possible.

Teams use to BUY championships, but that's NOT the case now. Teams with superstars have a better chance at retaining their star players. Take Orlando for instances, they have $10-$11 million to spend in the off season. The most they can offer a player is 5 years $70 Million. The most that players team can offer is 6 years $90. NO PLAYER is gonna turn down $15 million and while you may be pounding on your chest, your window of opportunity is NOT as wide as ours. Tim Duncans are a seldom breed and after he's gone or has slowed down it will be tougher for you guys to replace that.

You have to win NOW!

If you guys lose it will be a tragedy for not only the team, but the fans of San Antonio. Win or Lose, Cleveland has a bright future ahead of them with Miami getting older and Detroit having a big question mark along with age. Going to the finals and watching this team improve year to year has taken ALL kinds of pressure off of us. We have a good mixture of young players to go along with experienced players. The thing that I'm happy about most is, it's our young guys who have been instrumental in us going to the finals. The veterans have done their part, but they haven't had as near the affect of us going to the finals as the young guys (Varejao, Gibson, LbJ, Sasha, etc.).

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king

Cavs have nothing to lose sound a lot as "we are just happy to be here".

[BWJACKETS]

The problem is that BWJackets continues to delude himself into believing that what the Pistons put forward in that series was hard-nosed, championship level defense. It was not. I don't expect him to understand, since he's apparently watched about 30 games in his life, but that's where all the arrogance and cockiness and predictions come from.

He clearly hasn't watched the Spurs this season. Or he couldn't refer back to the RS with authority. He clearly hasn't watched the Spurs this postseason, or he'd know better than to claim we can't shut teams down while letting their superstars go off. He clearly didn't watch pre-Flip Detriot, or he'd know what real defense looks like.

This kid still thinks that really bad offense is a product of super-lockdown-D, when sometimes, it's just bad offense.

I can't wonder at his ludicrous claims anymore, now that I understand the delusion he lives under. It's going to hurt when they lose for him. But of course, if he comes back, he'll just go on about how much they learned and how their superstar is younger so they've got way more potential and that's just as good as holding up a trophy.

I am not going to talk trash or anything like that, just that yes, I have seen the Spurs play this season, I think they rotate better defensively than Detroit definately, however I don't see the same physical presence there that you see when you look at Detroit. It comes down to San Antonio going with a smaller lineup in their backcourt, look at Detroit's backcourt (they have large guys out there, they don't go with the smaller lineup by comparison with Parker and Ginobli). I'm not saying Detroit is better than San Antonio for doing things the way they do, you've got it all wrong. I just think it is an easier matchup for Cleveland against San Antonio's backcourt than it is against Detroit's, that doesn't mean one is better than the other.

It just comes down to this being a direct contrast of styles. The West plays faster than the East, almost across the board, no doubt about it. But, in the same respect, teams like Cleveland and Detroit play their own brand of more physical basketball that you don't see in the West. I can't name another team in the West besides SA that plays as good of defense as either Detroit or Cleveland. Maybe Dallas, but that's it and it's also a stretch.

The bottom line is that styles make games, each team has different personnel that they use in different ways, and each team has their stars in Lebron and Duncan. Let's just see what happens! Hopefully it will be another exciting series.

[samikeyp]

I am not going to talk trash or anything like that

You have done that pretty much the whole time you have been here.

Its cool though...that is what message boards are for.

However...don't be a bitch. If your team wins, be proud but if your team loses..be a man and recognize it. Most opposing fans talk trash then disappear when things don't go their way. Don't be that guy.

[Mr. Body]

I have seen the Spurs play this season, I think they rotate better defensively than Detroit definately, however I don't see the same physical presence there that you see when you look at Detroit.

You've stumbled over a truth. Yes, the Spurs aren't a physical defensive team, which is one reason their newfound reputation as a thuggish team is so laughable. They're a finesse defensive team. Bowen is finesse, Parker and Ginobili are finesse defenders. They don't ride you out of bounds or club you over the head; they funnel into certain areas, lock off the 3-point line, and foul very infrequently. They're more like swashbucklers with rapiers and sabres than barbarians with mallets.

[Extra Stout]

I am not going to talk trash or anything like that, just that yes, I have seen the Spurs play this season, I think they rotate better defensively than Detroit definately, however I don't see the same physical presence there that you see when you look at Detroit. It comes down to San Antonio going with a smaller lineup in their backcourt, look at Detroit's backcourt (they have large guys out there, they don't go with the smaller lineup by comparison with Parker and Ginobli). I'm not saying Detroit is better than San Antonio for doing things the way they do, you've got it all wrong. I just think it is an easier matchup for Cleveland against San Antonio's backcourt than it is against Detroit's, that doesn't mean one is better than the other.

It just comes down to this being a direct contrast of styles. The West plays faster than the East, almost across the board, no doubt about it. But, in the same respect, teams like Cleveland and Detroit play their own brand of more physical basketball that you don't see in the West. I can't name another team in the West besides SA that plays as good of defense as either Detroit or Cleveland. Maybe Dallas, but that's it and it's also a stretch.

The bottom line is that styles make games, each team has different personnel that they use in different ways, and each team has their stars in Lebron and Duncan. Let's just see what happens! Hopefully it will be another exciting series.
You could not possibly have watched the Spurs for any length of time and make that post. The Cavaliers' defensive philosophy is modeled directly after what the Spurs do. The two teams play similar styles, with similar paces. First team to 90 wins.

[Extra Stout]

You've stumbled over a truth. Yes, the Spurs aren't a physical defensive team, which is one reason their newfound reputation as a thuggish team is so laughable. They're a finesse defensive team. Bowen is finesse, Parker and Ginobili are finesse defenders. They don't ride you out of bounds or club you over the head; they funnel into certain areas, lock off the 3-point line, and foul very infrequently. They're more like swashbucklers with rapiers and sabres than barbarians with mallets.
:wtf

Phoenix is a finesse team.

[BWJACKETS]

This kid keeps harping on how the Cavs beat the Spurs 2 times this past regular season, which is very important to him, yet turns around and says our 3 championships and the experience it brings doesn't mean anything. He says the past don't mean squat, yet the Cavs will lay waste to the Spurs because 2 wins proves it. So does experience mean anything, yes or no?

I don't think things that happened several years ago play much of an impact, no. It won't make any difference to the players once the game starts, however I would agree with you that it is at least worth mentioning in observing each team. Something that happened earlier this season with Cleveland beating SA both times also has to count for something, if not for the players than at least it is worth mentioning.

But as far as experience goes having some kind of an affect on the outcome of the game, no, I don't think it does. For one, although the Cavs don't have the experience in the Finals, they have in my opinion one of the best team leaders in the league in Lebron. Secondly, after you win a couple championships it can also work against you. Case in point, look at what happened to the Lakers in 2004? They won three in a row, they got complacent, they blew it. It's an easy trap to fall into.

[samikeyp]

Case in point, look at what happened to the Lakers in 2004? They won three in a row, they got complacent, they blew it. It's an easy trap to fall into.

Actually they didn't win three in a row going into 2004. The Spurs won in 2003.

[BWJACKETS]

You could not possibly have watched the Spurs for any length of time and make that post. The Cavaliers' defensive philosophy is modeled directly after what the Spurs do. The two teams play similar styles, with similar paces. First team to 90 wins.

Don't tell me who I have and haven't watched, I've seen the Spurs numerous times throughout the season. I agree that Cleveland and San Antonio play the same defensive philosophy, Mike Brown brought it to us from your team. However, just because they follow the same philosophy doesn't mean that it looks the exact same out on the court. Cleveland plays in the East, San Antonio plays in the West. Don't you think each team has over the course of time adapted their schemes to the style of play that they most often go up against? San Antonio rotates a step faster than Cleveland but the Cavs have the big bodies and play more physical. I agree with you first team to 90 wins. This is not at all an inaccurate post in any way.

[BWJACKETS]

Actually they didn't win three in a row going into 2004. The Spurs won in 2003.

You're right, you're right. Looking at it right now. Lakers won three in a row from 99-02, followed by a Spurs championship in 03, followed by the Pistons in 04. Good call.

[Extra Stout]

Secondly, after you win a couple championships it can also work against you. Case in point, look at what happened to the Lakers in 2004? They won three in a row, they got complacent, they blew it. It's an easy trap to fall into.
I don't think your hypothesis about the Lakers holds up to scrutiny. I don't remember the Lakers getting complacent; I remember their soap opera of aging stars finally blowing up in their faces.

[MadDog73]

I can't name another team in the West besides SA that plays as good of defense as either Detroit or Cleveland. Maybe Dallas, but that's it and it's also a stretch.

Please don't mention _allas and Defense again...

The fucking Suns played better D than _allas in the playoffs.

OK, last EDIT:

Cavs have kept their opp. FG% the lowest at 42% in the Playoffs.

(Nets 42.5%; Pistons 43.1%; Bulls 43.5%; Jazz 44.1%; Nuggets 44.3%; Rockets 44.4%; Magic 44.9%; Suns 45%)

Spurs 45%.

I expect those numbers will change in the Finals...

[Mr. Body]

:wtf

Phoenix is a finesse team.

Defense. The Spurs' defense is more finesse-oriented than it is physical.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think your hypothesis about the Lakers holds up to scrutiny. I don't remember the Lakers getting complacent; I remember their soap opera of aging stars finally blowing up in their faces.

Absolutely true. Locker room soap opera, aging role players. Dynasties crumble because it gets harder and harder to restock the supporting players; LAL failed to keep up, were overplaying Robert Horry, and so on. That's why they had to import the quick-fixes of Gary Payton and Karl Malone, which didn't quite work.

That's the point the Spurs are at this year. Aging role players; however, they have some good pieces and with shrewdness may retool without too much problem.

[O-Factor]

Just make sure you are still on this site after game 4 to own up to your ignorance. I doubt you will be after the spanking we will give you.

[MadDog73]

I guess Points Differential is a better indicator:

PHX actually had the best Points differential in the Playoffs. +5
Cavs are next with +4.18.
Then, Spurs at +3.43
Detroit is fourth at +2.93.

[O-Factor]

Tim Duncan doesn't scare me, Carlos Boooooooooooozer embarrassed the cat. He stuff the hell out of him and score on the other end. Duncan is "soft" and Lebron will get the boy fouled out!
You really don't know shit about basketball do you? We beat them 4-1 like we are going to beat you.

[Mr. Body]

I guess Points Differential is a better indicator:

PHX actually had the best Points differential in the Playoffs. +5
Cavs are next with +4.18.
Then, Spurs at +3.43
Detroit is fourth at +2.93.

The amazing thing is, the Cavs only beat the Wizards, without Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler, by these margins of victory:

5, 7, 6, & 7

[MadDog73]

The amazing thing is, the Cavs only beat the Wizards, without Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler, by these margins of victory:

5, 7, 6, & 7


Well, the Spurs would have a much better differential if when they lost, they didn't lose so big...

so maybe Points Differential is useless, too.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The most important game of the season, the nets and the cavs made history with the worst 4th quarter of the entire NBA history making 2 shots each. That's the team facing the spurs tomorrow.

[Obstructed_View]

Lebron fucked up royally putting that picture in his locker. First team to 90 wins? I bet the Spurs get there by the end of the third quarter in game 1.

[IceColdBrewski]

Oh the horror. The pressure is all on the Spurs to win a series. Can't remember the last time that happened.

What are we going to do?! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/smak69/runaway.gif

[dbreiden83080]

Alright then, tell me why Kobe hasn't done anything without Shaq? Kobe may be a great scorer but he isn't a guy who will make your team better, so he can't be one of the best of all time. I just don't see how you can say that Shaq didn't completely put both Kobe and Wade over the top, neither one of them has done anything without him on their roster. Kobe was winning championships with Shaq and now he can't even make it out of the first round (and don't say it's entirely for lack of talent either, Bynum is a 7-footer with skills and Odom is a good all-around forward in his own right).

Oh my god the Lakers made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years since Shaq left which is more than you can say for a guy like Garnett who has missed the playoffs the last few years and only been out of round 1 one time, yet people still think he is one of the best PF of all time. Took the Bulls 7 years to get to the title building around MJ. Shaq goes to the heat plays with a stud like Wade and they win the title. Just check the stats Wade owned that finals Shaq, did next to nothing. He was a small factor but Wade was the force that won that title, not Shaq. Kobe does not have much on that team, you put Shaq on that team, without Kobe they are not going very far, Duncan same thing they would not go very far. Kobe by the numbers and by the number of rings he has is one of the best players ever. He is without a doubt the most skilled player to play the SG since Jordan.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Spur fans talk alot of SMACK!, but let me be very BLUNT with you. Cleveland has no pressure on them. Lebron GOT us to the finals in a shorter time then expected. The CBA rules are set up for Cleveland and other young teams to be dynasty's and while we're here make no mistake about it, Duncan has a shorter window then Lebron. Soon he'll become slower and struggling to stay in shape.

Even if Cleveland loses, which I doubt, they have LOTS of time to get back to the finals and like I said the CBA rules makes it more possible.

Teams use to BUY championships, but that's NOT the case now. Teams with superstars have a better chance at retaining their star players. Take Orlando for instances, they have $10-$11 million to spend in the off season. The most they can offer a player is 5 years $70 Million. The most that players team can offer is 6 years $90. NO PLAYER is gonna turn down $15 million and while you may be pounding on your chest, your window of opportunity is NOT as wide as ours. Tim Duncans are a seldom breed and after he's gone or has slowed down it will be tougher for you guys to replace that.

You have to win NOW!

If you guys lose it will be a tragedy for not only the team, but the fans of San Antonio. Win or Lose, Cleveland has a bright future ahead of them with Miami getting older and Detroit having a big question mark along with age. Going to the finals and watching this team improve year to year has taken ALL kinds of pressure off of us. We have a good mixture of young players to go along with experienced players. The thing that I'm happy about most is, it's our young guys who have been instrumental in us going to the finals. The veterans have done their part, but they haven't had as near the affect of us going to the finals as the young guys (Varejao, Gibson, LbJ, Sasha, etc.).

Before it's all said and done with, Lebron will have taken this team to waaaay more championships then DUNCAN has taken the Spe-rms to.

All hail to the king :king










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