Cleveland's paper compares the two cities...

[SrA Husker]

Some cheap jabs in here, but looks like they make fun of themselves, too...

http://www.cleveland.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-1/118111910179850.xml&coll=2


New rivals?
Forget the Alamo. San Antonio's got nothing on us.
Wednesday, June 06, 2007
John Campanelli
Plain Dealer Reporter
The NBA Finals start Thursday, plenty of time to bone up on San Antonio and its basketball team.

How does our new rival compare with our city? San Antonio is growing, with a strong economy and lots of jobs – right where our politicians promise us Cleveland will be. Some day.

Both cities are packed with things to do, places to see and interesting history. Cleveland was founded by a surveyor; San Antonio by a saint: Anthony of Padua, the patron saint of things lost –items, articles and four games this series.

How the two cities stack up:

San Antonio: Famous River Walk is glamorized muddy water.
Cleveland: Famous Rock Hall immortalized Muddy Waters.

SA: State was home of LBJ, former president.
Cleve: State is home of LBJ, current king.

SA: Hometown of the politician who won't go away: Alberto Gonzalez.
Cleve: Hometown of the politician who won't go away: Dennis Kucinich.

SA: Mud Festival every January.
Cleve: Election Day every November.

SA: Citizens know two languages: English and Spanish.
Cleve: Citizens know two languages: English and whatever it is that Mike Trivisonno speaks.

SA: Home to one major-league sports team.
Cleve: Home to two major-league sports teams. And the Browns.

SA: Home of the world's only toilet seat museum.
Cleve: Home of King James' throne.

SA: Signature food, Tex-Mex, requires an hour in the bathroom.
Cleve: Signature food, the pierogi, requires an hour on the treadmill.

SA: Place where Davy Crockett, in coonskin cap, was killed.
Cleve: Place where James Traficant, in coonskin toupee, was convicted.

SA: Boasts the world's largest pair of cowboy boots.
Cleve: Boasts the world's largest rubber stamp.

SA: Spurs guard Tony Parker known for his girlfriend, Eva Longoria.
Cleve: Cavs guard Daniel Gibson known for his nickname, “Boobie.”

SA: Home of the Alamo.
Cleve: Home of a lotta mo'.

[SpursWoman]

San Antonio by a saint: Anthony of Padua, the patron saint of things lost –items, articles and four games this series.


That was pretty clever. False, but clever nonetheless. :lol

[ATRAIN]

what an idiot

[AlamoSpursFan]

Don't know if anybody posted Gaylon Krizak's rather weak version of this hackneyed article, so I'll just post the link:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA060607.02C.COLkrizak.page2.38c5758.html

[samikeyp]

SA: Home to one major-league sports team.
Cleve: Home to two major-league sports teams. And the Browns.

:lol


I thought it was pretty funny. Nothing wrong with some good-natured jabs.

[AlamoSpursFan]

SA: Citizens know two languages: English and Spanish.
Cleve: Citizens know two languages: English and whatever it is that Mike Trivisonno speaks.

Just in case anyone else was wondering...I know I was.


Mike Trivisonno
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Mike Trivisonno (born September 20, 1949 in East Cleveland, Ohio) is an afternoon talk-show host on the Cleveland radio station Newsradio WTAM 1100.

He first gained notoriety by being a frequent caller ("Mr. Know It All") on "Sportsline" hosted by Pete Franklin on what was then WWWE AM 1100. He began his own broadcasting career in 1985, working for a time at WNCX, commenting on sports, particularly boxing and became one of the fulltime morning show personalities during 1989 and 1990 as a part of 'Those Guys in the Morning" with Rick Rydell and Todd Brandt.


He was recently ranked the eighteenth most powerful person in sports in Northeast Ohio by the Plain Dealer, the major newspaper in the Cleveland area.

Over the years Trivisonno has picked fights with other on air personalties and radio stations including Bruce Drennen, Kenny Roda, and WTAM's Bob Frantz.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Trivisonno"

[slacker77]

We have a toilet seat musuem?

[IM NOT DIRTY]

You guys must be really scared. This insult nobody, just made a simple article to get some laughs, and u guys are going crazy about it. I think cleveland fans has gotten into the spurs fans head. Now its time for the cavs to do the same.

[AlamoSpursFan]

You guys must be really scared. This insult nobody, just made a simple article to get some laughs, and u guys are going crazy about it. I think cleveland fans has gotten into the spurs fans head. Now its time for the cavs to do the same.

We're going crazy about it?

You don't get out much, do you?

:lol

[samikeyp]

You guys must be really scared. This insult nobody, just made a simple article to get some laughs, and u guys are going crazy about it. I think cleveland fans has gotten into the spurs fans head. Now its time for the cavs to do the same

yes because all Spurs fans think alike. :rolleyes


which is probably why I posted what I did 3 posts above yours.

Jeez...next time wear your helmet before you post.

[Extra Stout]

You guys must be really scared. This insult nobody, just made a simple article to get some laughs, and u guys are going crazy about it. I think cleveland fans has gotten into the spurs fans head. Now its time for the cavs to do the same.
No, that's the San Antonio inferiority complex. San Antonio has spent decades as the red-headed stepchild compared to Dallas and Houston, and now Austin, and its people are sensitive to any perceived slights against the city. It has nothing to do with basketball.

[ctpsb]

You guys must be really scared. This insult nobody, just made a simple article to get some laughs, and u guys are going crazy about it. I think cleveland fans has gotten into the spurs fans head. Now its time for the cavs to do the same.

??????????????????????? :rolleyes

[spursfan09]

So wheres the toilet museum?

[Buddy Holly]

No, that's the San Antonio inferiority complex. San Antonio has spent decades as the red-headed stepchild compared to Dallas and Houston, and now Austin, and its people are sensitive to any perceived slights against the city. It has nothing to do with basketball.

One post about the guy being an idiot (only post trashing the article) and now it's an inferiority complex? :lol

No one got insulted by that article.

However, it's only natural whenever someone does insult or trash your city that you defend it, esp, when it seems from a lame bias hatred or ignorance. I have friends in the Bay Area (San Fran side) who said the city got worked up over Barkey's comments from a few weeks ago. It's only natural.

[Buddy Holly]

So wheres the toilet museum?

Alamo Heights.

http://www.unusualmuseums.org/toilet/

[AlamoSpursFan]

So wheres the toilet museum?

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/TXSANtoilet.html

[samikeyp]

No, that's the San Antonio inferiority complex. San Antonio has spent decades as the red-headed stepchild compared to Dallas and Houston, and now Austin, and its people are sensitive to any perceived slights against the city. It has nothing to do with basketball.

To a point I agree. A lot of people feel that way. Although Stout has always hated San Antonio so he is a little biased. I never felt that way and neither do several people I know and grew up with. It does exist however.

[SpursWoman]

Going crazy over it? Inferiority complex?


Did I miss something? :wtf

[Extra Stout]

To a point I agree. A lot of people feel that way. Although Stout has always hated San Antonio so he is a little biased. I never felt that way and neither do several people I know and grew up with. It does exist however.
I don't hate San Antonio; I get irritated with the inferiority complex because it is self-fulfilling.

[samikeyp]

Dude...you have slammed SA since you started posting here. :)

Although I would agree with you about the inferiority complex. I refuse to listen to people when they talk that way. I have always been the kind of person to make the best of where I am. Sadly, some people just find it easier to bitch and moan about what they don't have which always pisses me off.

[spursfan09]

Alamo Heights.

http://www.unusualmuseums.org/toilet/

wow :lol thats something else.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Just for the record, I've never been to Cleveland, but I've been to several towns in Ohio (Cinncinnati, Columbus, Canton, Toledo, etc...) and I happen to like Ohio. It's a beautiful state.

Thought I'd throw that out there before this devolves into a your town sucks flame war...

:lol

[samikeyp]

Thought I'd throw that out there before this devolves into a your town sucks flame war...

Im sure the weak city smack will be flowing soon enough.

Remember the good old days when people just talked about basketball. :)

[Extra Stout]

Dude...you have slammed SA since you started posting here. :)

Although I would agree with you about the inferiority complex. I refuse to listen to people when they talk that way. I have always been the kind of person to make the best of where I am. Sadly, some people just find it easier to bitch and moan about what they don't have which always pisses me off.
Slamming SA always gets a response.

[samikeyp]

Very true. :)

[Extra Stout]

Now if somebody were to respond in kind about Houston, to say "the weather sucks," or "it's flat and ugly," or "the traffic is horrible," or "the Texans are a joke," or "the Ship Channel is polluted," the typical Houstonian would respond, "Umm... and?"

[Buddy Holly]

Slamming SA always gets a response.

So does tits and ass. :rolleyes

[spursfan09]

I don't think its about an inferiority complex. Nobody wants to hear people saying crap about the city in which you live, work and etc.

[AlamoSpursFan]

Oh, wrong thread...apparently the "your town sucks" flame war is already underway in the "Any Cavs Fans in San Antonio?" thread.

:lol

And also for the record, in my travels all over this fine country of ours, I can say without hesitation that, per capita, Ohio has the largest concentration of drop-dead gorgeous women of any state in the lower 48. Dunno why...maybe there's something in the water.

[Buddy Holly]

Now if somebody were to respond in kind about Houston, to say "the weather sucks," or "it's flat and ugly," or "the traffic is horrible," or "the Texans are a joke," or "the Ship Channel is polluted," the typical Houstonian would respond, "Umm... and?"

Really, go do that.

Go to a Rockets forum and do that, go to any active Houston forum and post that.

This is what you will get:

1. You'd be brand new so they'd rag on you for being a dumb troll, probably insult your mother, ban you.

2. If they didn't ban you and got you to tell them where you live, they'd go off on your city.

3. If you're known there, as in case 2, and the posters knew where you lived they'd begin to insult your city.


4. You're borderline retarded if you think they'll go "Uh, ok."

[Thunder Dan]

Oh, wrong thread...apparently the "your town sucks" flame war is already underway in the "Any Cavs Fans in San Antonio?" thread.

:lol

And also for the record, in my travels all over this fine country of ours, I can say without hesitation that, per capita, Ohio has the largest concentration of drop-dead gorgeous women of any state in the lower 48. Dunno why...maybe there's something in the water.

I agree with that. New York City has alot to but they are all prentious assholes. Ohio does have its fair share of good looking women

[Buddy Holly]

From the times I've been there, Arizona is king of the "old woman that looks young and kinda hot from afar but on closer inspection, yikes."

[Extra Stout]

Really, go do that.

Go to a Rockets forum and do that, go to any active Houston forum and post that.

This is what you will get:

1. You'd be brand new so they'd rag on you for being a dumb troll, probably insult your mother, ban you.

2. If they didn't ban you and got you to tell them where you live, they'd go off on your city.

3. If you're known there, as in case 2, and the posters knew where you lived they'd begin to insult your city.


4. You're borderline retarded if you think they'll go "Uh, ok."
Oh, I see -- Rockets forums are a more representative sample than living in the city itself.

[MadDog73]

That was a pretty mild article.

If anything, it made more fun of itself than San Antonio...

"How does our new rival compare with our city? San Antonio is growing, with a strong economy and lots of jobs – right where our politicians promise us Cleveland will be. Some day. "

Ouch. And we have an inferiority complex? :lol

[Extra Stout]

That was a pretty mild article.

If anything, it made more fun of itself than San Antonio...

"How does our new rival compare with our city? San Antonio is growing, with a strong economy and lots of jobs – right where our politicians promise us Cleveland will be. Some day. "

Ouch. And we have an inferiority complex? :lol
It's normal for a city to be able to poke fun at itself.

[Buddy Holly]

Oh, I see -- Rockets forums are a more representative sample than living in the city itself.

So you live in Houston?

So what are you basing your generalizations of SA on? Internet message boards, or what your own personal experience from living here as well? :rolleyes

[AlamoSpursFan]

I was once rendered speechless by an absolute hottie working in the toll booth on the Ohio Turnpike at the Indiana border.

There are fine women in the freaking toll booths in Ohio. That's how many babes they have. They're sticking them in the toll booths!

[Buddy Holly]

I was once rendered speechless by an absolute hottie working in the toll booth on the Ohio Turnpike at the Indiana border.

There are fine women in the freaking toll booths in Ohio. That's how many babes they have. They're sticking them in the toll booths!

Sorry to tell you, that was a man.

[AlamoSpursFan]

No it wasn't, Crab man...

:lol

[Buddy Holly]

If you want to see beautiful women just come to Los Angeles. I mean they are absolutey everywhere!

And they're either porn stars, fake, or men.

[BreezeHillBill]

:lol


I thought it was pretty funny. Nothing wrong with some good-natured jabs.
Couldn't agree more. Guy's definitely not taking himself too seriously. I giggled. :lol

[Extra Stout]

So you live in Houston?

So what are you basing your generalizations of SA on? Internet message boards, or what your own personal experience from living here as well? :rolleyes
I grew up there, and still go back often.

The culture is what it is.

[Buddy Holly]

I grew up there, and still go back often.

The culture is what it is.

So where exactly do you live now?

And again, where do you base your generalizations from?

[Extra Stout]

So where exactly do you live now?

And again, where do you base your generalizations from?
I base my generalizations on personal experience.

You are the textbook example of a San Antonian with an inferiority complex overcompensating for it. You doth protest too much.

[Buddy Holly]

I have no inferiority complex whatsoever but I'm happy you can read me via computer. Wanna play poker?

You doth pretend too much.

[NoMoneyDown]

If you want to see beautiful women just come to Los Angeles. I mean they are absolutey everywhere!

Yes, but how much is ACTUAL woman and how much is artificial?

[sandman]

I grew up there, and still go back often.

The culture is what it is.

Same here. Grew up in SA, now live in Houston (Katy).

I love living here, but I love SA as well. My kids were born there and I have family buried there.

Make a crack about Houston to the locals and they will join in and give you three more. It's just the way that they embrace their city.

I can say this because I am guilty of it myself: SA tries too hard to make people like them, then has a hard time accepting when people don't.

[ObiwanGinobili]

That was funny :lol

except the Coonskin cap is false history. but oh well.

[cherylsteele]

Just for the record, I've never been to Cleveland, but I've been to several towns in Ohio (Cinncinnati, Columbus, Canton, Toledo, etc...) and I happen to like Ohio. It's a beautiful state.

Thought I'd throw that out there before this devolves into a your town sucks flame war...

:lol
Same here....lived in Alliance (outside of Canton) until I was about 5yrs old. My parents are from Marion...(home of former Pres. Harding and the popcorn festival), I have cousins in Cleveland, Columbus Grove, Bluffton, and Toledo. There are some wonderful sites in Ohio such as THE PIATT CASTLES in West Liberty, Ohio.

[cherylsteele]

The only thing that got me was the toilet seat museum. My first thought was..."we do?!?" I'll be damned never heard of it.

You can bet the curator (Barney Smith) of that museum will be glad he got mentioned, his attendance and sales will increase now. Nothing like free publicity.

[Buddy Holly]

Dude and his museum have been featured everywhere.

Today Show, The View, etc.

[Saguaro]

San Antonio needs a toilet seat museum because the city is so full of shit.

[timvp]

Mistake on the Lake vs. Sewage in the River

:hat

[ShoogarBear]

The Toilet Museum is in Alamo Heights??

:lmao

[ShoogarBear]

Wha . . . they had to film Major League in Milwaukee?

:lmao :lmao

[Vito Corleone]

The only thing cleveland is known for is being the city by the lake...that caught fire.

How the hell does water catch fire? What do you use to put it out, lumber?

Cleveland = Bizarro World

[Thunder Dan]

Wha . . . they had to film Major League in Milwaukee?

:lmao :lmao
becuase the Browns played in the stadium you dumbass

[ShoogarBear]

Oh. It wasn't because they didn't want to ruin expensive camera equipment?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smismokin.gif

[T Park]

Milwaukee Cleveland

eh

same thing.

[Thunder Dan]

Oh. It wasn't because they didn't want to ruin expensive camera equipment?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smismokin.gif


that movie was filmed from September- November of 1988. Cleveland Stadium was a football field during those times

[samikeyp]

that movie was filmed from September- November of 1988. Cleveland Stadium was a football field during those times

true...although at the beginning of the movie they use a shot of Cleveland Staduim.

[Thunder Dan]

true...although at the beginning of the movie they use a shot of Cleveland Staduim.


right, but they couldn't show game scenes becuase there wasn't a baseball field in Cleveland at that time. Same goes for Major League 2 which was filmed at Camden Yards b/c the Jake was not completed

[twentyone]

Now if somebody were to respond in kind about Houston, to say "the weather sucks," or "it's flat and ugly," or "the traffic is horrible," or "the Texans are a joke," or "the Ship Channel is polluted," the typical Houstonian would respond, "Umm... and?"

Hey the weather does suck here! Traffic does suck... ship channel ewwww... But I gotta say your DEAD WRONG about the Texans...

They are THE joke. :(

[samikeyp]

right, but they couldn't show game scenes becuase there wasn't a baseball field in Cleveland at that time. Same goes for Major League 2 which was filmed at Camden Yards b/c the Jake was not completed

I know.....I was agreeing with you.

[Thunder Dan]

I know.....I was agreeing with you.
i know you were

[cherylsteele]

I don't know for sure but I am pretty confident that other sports movies have used alternate locations than the ones they were trying show.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it would be totally cool if the San Antonio River caught fire.

[SpursWoman]

SA tries too hard to make people like them, then has a hard time accepting when people don't.


Maybe because as a culture (generally speaking, of course) we are a friendly and welcoming people ... hence the reluctance to embrace the obnoxious pricks who have nothing better to say than that our river is dirty and we're all fat...or some other derogatory, needless insult. :)

[samikeyp]

Maybe because as a culture (generally speaking, of course) we are a friendly and welcoming people ... hence the reluctance to embrace the obnoxious pricks who have nothing better to say than that our river is dirty and we're all fat...or some other derogatory, needless insult.

I think she is on to something. :tu

[SpursWoman]

The Toilet Museum is in Alamo Heights??

:lmao


get it right....it's a toilet seat museum. :spin

[sandman]

Maybe because as a culture (generally speaking, of course) we are a friendly and welcoming people ... hence the reluctance to embrace the obnoxious pricks who have nothing better to say than that our river is dirty and we're all fat...or some other derogatory, needless insult. :)

Hey, I'm a San Antonian. I understand. I still find myself defending SA to people who drop the stereotypes, and I left right after the '99 title. I was just pointing out that we have a tendency to do that, unlike in Houston, Dallas or even Austin. But it has always been an uphill struggle for SA to even get her fellow Texans to recognize, so the complex is for the most part baked into the native mentality.

[Thunder Dan]

Why are some people's names in green and others are not? J/W

[SpursWoman]

Most people I know, including myself, really don't give a shit about what people think about San Antonio. We're still here because we prefer it. :lol

[SpursWoman]

Why are some people's names in green and others are not? J/W


Helps identify the new people or something like that .... if you get a custom title, I believe it then turns to black. There's a thread on the first page somewhere where you can put in your request for a title change.

[sandman]

Most people I know, including myself, really don't give a shit about what people think about San Antonio. We're still here because we prefer it. :lol

Eh, for a city built on tourism, I think that people/businesses/government care more than you think. But I understand what you are saying.

EDIT: So we are straight, SA will always be home. Hope to make it back one day for good.

[Thunder Dan]

Helps identify the new people or something like that .... if you get a custom title, I believe it then turns to black. There's a thread on the first page somewhere where you can put in your request for a title change.
cool thank you

[SpursWoman]

Eh, for a city built on tourism, I think that people/businesses/government care more than you think. But I understand what you are saying.

EDIT: So we are straight, SA will always be home. Hope to make it back one day for good.


As long as you guys aren't mistaking an extreme dislike of arrogant, rude people for in inferiority complex, it's cool. :lol

[SAtoDallas]

San Antonio is a nice place to live I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to go "home", I've never been to Cleveland so I can't comment I have been to Columbus though I didn't like it much, the people were friendly just not a lot to to even with OSU there.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I went to Cleveland probably eight years ago and it was incredibly shitty. No offense Cleveland, but San Antonio would pretty much have to be the asspit of the country to surpass yall.

However, Phoenix is way better than both cities... especially our fishing :lol