So Long, Sopranos

[SA210]

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By TERRY MORROW - Scripps Howard News Service

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It's the end of the road for The Sopranos (9 p.m. Sunday, HBO), one of the finest series in the history of television.


What will become of Tony Soprano (http://www.woai.com/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=04955a6e-32bb-489c-9bc7-104e755b2586#), his family and crew? The history of the program indicates that almost anything is possible, but odds are that a "heartwarming" farewell is probably not in the offing.

If The Sopranos remains true to its roots, the finale could be a subtle one. Traditionally "The Sopranos" has never been big on grand exits.

But this being the finale, The Sopranos could cut from the norm and go out with a bang, pardon the pun.

What should happen in the finale, from one critic's well-worn place on the couch:

-- Tony turns state evidence and goes into the Witness Protection Program as a very nice used car salesman in Iowa;

-- Tony and Carmela's increasingly violent arguments take a fatal turn, perhaps leading to her accidental death;

-- Anthony Jr.'s depression over his violent lifestyle leads him to a path of enlightenment;

-- In prison, Tony also finds enlightenment and comes out a very changed man, maybe even thinner;

-- The Russian mobster who narrowly escaped a hit from Tony's guys returns -- with Christopher's presumed-dead girlfriend. And they're pretty mad.

-- Paulie dyes his hair all the same color;

-- Junior continues to beat up fellow residents at his nursing home, making him a Great-Great Godfather of the second floor. Or, maybe, everyone will go about business as usual and we'll be left with the idea that somewhere, out there in New Jersey, Tony and his hoodlums are safe, secure and being extremely naughty.



DAMN, the last episode will be during Game 2.

:bang

Oh well, Spurs > Sopranos

[leemajors]

i'm sure they'll show it a million times.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

It sucks the show is ending great show.

[ZStomp]

I'm sure it will be shown more than once....DVR it!

[tsb2000]

I'm sure it will be shown more than once....DVR it!

Exactly!

Plus, that episode of the Sopranos will repeat all week. Then again, so will the Spurs beating Cleveland! :lol

[CharlieMac]

Tony is so dead. Paulie is gonna kill him.

[cornbread]

No way Tony dies. He's going to take out Phil once and for all.

We should get a vbookie going about the finale.

[Spurminator]

I won't lie. I'm watching Sopranos live and DVRing the first part of the game.

It's nice to be able to FF commercials and Halftime shows.

[SA210]

yea, vBookie

Does Tony die?

[PakiDan]

Tony kills Phil

[CharlieMac]

AJ is dead too.

Melfi is a long shot. She done gone and fucked up.

[ShoogarBear]

Plus, that episode of the Sopranos will repeat all week. Then again, so will the Spurs beating Cleveland! :lol:lol

[SA210]

Tonights the night. Tivo.

[Sunshine]

DAMN, the last episode will be during Game 2.

:bang

Oh well, Spurs > Sopranos

That's what DVR is for!

[SA210]

^^^


Tonights the night. Tivo.

[AnkleBreaker21]

well they show it at 8 and then at 11 on hbo west then at 1230am on hbo again

[mrsmaalox]

Tony is so dead. Paulie is gonna kill him.
I think so too. As much as I love Paulie, he hasn't been the most loyal guy. At least not like......Silvio :depressed

[CharlieMac]

I think so too. As much as I love Paulie, he hasn't been the most loyal guy. At least not like......Silvio :depressed

Yeah, that was tough to watch. It was good to hear Silvio was doing well though.

Tony should have brought back that dude from Italy, god what was his name? The one Carmela wanted to hit up.

[blaze89]

Yeah, that was tough to watch. It was good to hear Silvio was doing well though.

Tony should have brought back that dude from Italy, god what was his name? The one Carmela wanted to hit up.

Furio.

[CharlieMac]

YESSSSSS

Furio. Doesn't do much good now.

How about that scene with Phil?

[tlongII]

That was a HORRIBLE finale. Just terrible.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

+1, tlong.

The way Phil got whacked was stellar, though.

[tlongII]

+1, tlong.

The way Phil got whacked was stellar, though.


That was the only redeeming thing in the show.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yeah, it's pretty bad when most of the viewers thought their dish/cable/dvr/tivo went out.

10 seconds of dead air? WTF is that, Chase?

[Sunshine]

I just finished watching on DVR.

WTF??

Worst.Season.Finale.

Ever.

[Spurminator]

I thought it was great. There was closure with most of the characters, but it still shows that Tony and his family will never feel completely safe. It's never going to be over for them.

What did you guys want? Would you have been happier if they'd killed Tony like everyone and their grandmother expected them to do?

[CharlieMac]

I thought it was great. There was closure with most of the characters, but it still shows that Tony and his family will never feel completely safe. It's never going to be over for them.

What did you guys want? Would you have been happier if they'd killed Tony like everyone and their grandmother expected them to do?

Yeah, I was pretty pissed at first too, but you know, that ending was fitting for the show. The closing song was a great choice, first episode with no music during the credits that I can remember, AJ is still a fucking idiot, and Tony is still obviously trying to reach out and talk to someone (the scene with AJ's psych)

Someone else pointed out the conversation with Bobby on the boat. How when it's time to go, you don't hear it coming.

[Kermit]

“you’ll know when it happens because everything goes black and silent”

that's exactly what happened. tony got whacked.

[tlongII]

It was a terrible ending. There was no closure. Hell, we don't even know if Tony got killed or not. The dude that went to bathroom before the end was an assassin. It left everybody having to guess what was going to happen. Lame.

[tlongII]

“you’ll know when it happens because everything goes black and silent”

that's exactly what happened. tony got whacked.


That's certainly possible, but we'll never know. Why did that dude go to the can?

[Spurminator]

Could be.

Or maybe the black/silence was for the death of the show.

[CharlieMac]

Wrong. It left the door wide open for AJ's spin-off. He's obviously the most complex character in the show.

[to21]

If Tony got whacked, why not show it? Why leave people hanging? If it's the last episode of the series why not have full closure.

Could have been better. I expected more from an episode that finished off one of the greatest shows on cable TV.

[Spurminator]

One thing I was disappointed with was the Rhiannon tease.

I needed closure on her boobs.

[CharlieMac]

One thing I was disappointed with was the Rhiannon tease.

I needed closure on her boobs.

The niece?

[Spurminator]

AJ's girlfriend

[Kermit]

why show it? it's more powerful when suggested. it's not chase's fault that people can't appreciate and gather meaning from an implied death.

[SA210]

I liked "Journey" in the end.

[Spurminator]

Kermit's right. Got to be.

In fact the more I think about it the more I love the ending.

[tlongII]

why show it? it's more powerful when suggested. it's not chase's fault that people can't appreciate and gather meaning from an implied death.

Doesn't make sense. With Phil dead why kill Tony? Who would have killed him? That was not much of an implied death imo.

[SA210]

****SPOILERS****

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/06/10/ap3806417.html



Associated Press
No Easy Ending for 'The Sopranos'
By FRAZIER MOORE 06.10.07, 11:10 PM ET

Tony Soprano carries on.
The much-awaited conclusion of HBO's "The Sopranos" arrived Sunday night in a frenzy of audience speculation. Would New Jersey mob boss Soprano live or be killed? Would his family die before his eyes? Would he go to jail? Be forced to enter witness protection? Would Brooklyn boss Phil Leotardo, who had ordered a hit on Tony, prevail?

In the end, the only ending that mattered was the one masterminded by "Sopranos" creator David Chase. And playing against viewer expectations, as always, Chase refused to stage a mass extermination, put the characters through any major transformations, or provide his viewers with comfortable closure. Or catharsis. After all, he declined to pass moral judgment on Tony - he reminded viewers all season what a thug Tony is, then gave him a pass.

But Chase was true to himself, and that's what made "The Sopranos" brilliant on Sunday night, and the 85 episodes that went before. The product of an artist with a bleak but incisive vision, "The Sopranos" has always existed on its own terms. It was challenging and elegant, but seldom tidy.

The only neat development in the finale was that Leotardo was crushed. Otherwise it was perversely non-earthshaking - just one last visit with the characters we have followed so devoutly since 1999.

Here was the funeral for Bobby Bacala, Tony's soldier and brother-in-law, who was shot dead on Leotardo's orders last week. Here was Tony (series star James Gandolfini) paying a hospital visit to his gravely injured consigliere, Silvio Dante, also targeted by Leotardo.

Tony's ne'er-do-well son A.J. (Robert Iler) continued to wail about the misery in the world, and voiced a fleeting urge to join the Army and go fight in Afghanistan (Tony persuaded him to get involved in filmmaking, instead). Daughter Meadow (Jamie-Lynn Sigler) harped on her plans to be a lawyer.

Tony visits his senile Uncle Junior (Dominic Chianese) at the nursing home. "You and my dad, you two ran North Jersey," Tony prompts him.

"We did?" said Uncle Junior with no sign of recognition. "That's nice."

Despite suspicions to the contrary, neither Paulie Walnuts nor Patsy Parisi sold out Tony. And neither was whacked. Dr. Melfi, who kicked Tony out of therapy last week, made no last-minute appearance.

Sure, headaches lie ahead for Tony. The Feds are still after him. And Meadow's fiance, Patsy Jr., is a lawyer who may well be pursuing cases that intrude on Tony's business interests.

So what else is new?

The finale displayed their lives continuing, for better and worse, unaffected by the fact that the series is done. The implication was, they will go on as usual. We just won't be able to watch.

Of course, Leotardo (Frank Vincent) hit a dead end after Tony located him with the help of his favorite federal agent. The execution was a quick but classic "Sopranos" scene: Pulling up at a gas station with his wife, Leotardo made a grand show of telling his two young grandchildren in the back seat to "wave bye-bye" as he emerged from his SUV. The next moment he was on the pavement, shot in the head.

Then you heard the car roll over his head. Carunnnchh! Quick, clinical, even comical, this was the only violence during the hour.

Not that Chase (who wrote and directed this episode) didn't tease viewers with the threat of death in almost every scene.

This was never more true than in the final sequence. On the surface, it was nothing more momentous than Tony, his wife, Carmela (Edie Falco), Meadow and A.J. meeting for dinner at a cozy family restaurant.

When he arrived, Tony dropped a coin in the jukebox and played the classic Journey power ballad "Don't Stop Believing." Meanwhile, every moment seemed to foreshadow disaster: Suspicious-looking people coming in the door or sitting at a nearby table. Meadow on the street having trouble parallel parking her car. With every passing second, the audience was primed for tragedy. It was a scene both warm and fuzzy yet full of dread, setting every viewer's heart racing for no clear reason.

But nothing would happen. It was just a family gathering for dinner at a restaurant. Four people among many.

But then - with a jingle of the bell on the front door, Tony looked up, apparently seeing Meadow make her delayed entrance. Or could he have seen something awful - something her certainly deserved - about to come down?

Probably not. Almost certainly a false alarm. But we'll never know. With that, "The Sopranos" cut to black, leaving us enriched after eight years. And flustered. And fated to always wonder what happened next.



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[PM5K]

But if Kermit is right, and that's the exact quote, how do you know the ending wasn't implying that for US it was over, after all we are the ones that saw black and silence.

I think if they really wanted to imply that Tony died they would have shown a first person view before they cut to black....

I'd be interested in knowing if that's the exact quote though...

[Kermit]

could be right. i'd like to believe that with all the tension in the final scene, that quote rings true. whether it's death for tony or the show, it's still a pretty cool ending and not worthy of the condemnation it's recieving around the country.

[PM5K]

could be right. i'd like to believe that with all the tension in the final scene, that quote rings true. whether it's death for tony or the show, it's still a pretty cool ending and not worthy of the condemnation it's recieving around the country.

If the quote is right I totally agree, it adds a lot of art to the show, because for example they could have just faded out to black, and we would have known life just goes on, but to cut to black for us, was an artistic way of saying that for us it's over.

I think if they were being artistic in Tonys death the cut to black would have been from first person.

But if the quote is wrong, and that was never said, the ending is a little flakey...

[Kermit]

also, the hit could've been a repercussion for phil getting whacked in front of his family.

[tlongII]

I still say it sucked. Very little action. The hit on Phil was great, but outside of that it was BOORING!

[PM5K]

You know those plans were changed so last minute, I bet nobody even knew they'd be there...

[DirkAB]

Anybody who really believes that this was a great episode needs to open their eyes and get real. I've watched this show since the beginning and this was a monster disappointment. Last weeks episode was 20 times better than the finale. Still the best show of all-time, but this ending sucked ass.

I can't believe that they chickened out and chose to go with some artsy choose your own interpretation for an ending. I could think of a number of better endings than how they actually ended it. IMO, it just wreaks of them wanting to leave their options open for a movie, all about the money.

[PeterBurns]

why show it? it's more powerful when suggested. it's not chase's fault that people can't appreciate and gather meaning from an implied death.


Well put.

There's 2 ways to think about the final scene. (Which I thought was GREAT)

1) Tony gets whacked. You just never see it coming. (Just like the Godfather, Michael goes to the bathroom, comes out shooting)

2) Tony doesnt' get whacked (Leaving room for a movie). If this is the case, the final scene is brilliant, because I was watching with a knot in my stomach to see what was going to happen. So, the viewer actually got to feel like what Tony must feel like 24/7.

Either way, I thought the last scene was very well done, and made up for the average first 50 minutes of the show.

[cornbread]

Two words for this episode: Weak Sauce.

If you ever watched "Six Feet Under", the best episode of that entire series was the last episode. Never seen anything like it. Tonight's Sopranos wasn't even the best episode in the last few weeks.

[cole]

subtle ending. perfect for the show i felt. it seems obvious to me that tony gets whacked, the dark and the silence ... but it's open to interpretation. i've been a fan of the show since the first episode as well. brilliantly done.

great whiny aj scenes too ... plus phil's death, a definite "A."

[ShoogarBear]

I thought it was going to end with AJ looking into a crystal snow ball, imagining the whole show.

[bigfish22]

The dude that went to bathroom before the end was an assassin. It left everybody having to guess what was going to happen. Lame.


Assassin? Martin Luther King was assassinated. Malcolm X was assassinated. JFK was assassinated. That dude just got shot!

-C.Rock

[leemajors]

I thought it was great. There was closure with most of the characters, but it still shows that Tony and his family will never feel completely safe. It's never going to be over for them.

What did you guys want? Would you have been happier if they'd killed Tony like everyone and their grandmother expected them to do?

the pubic always wants blood.

[DirkAB]

it seems obvious to me that tony gets whacked, the dark and the silence ... but it's open to interpretation.

How can anything that is designed to be open to interpretation be obvious to anybody? Why even try to figure it out, there is no answer, because it was a chickenshit ending that was designed to keep his options open for a movie. And the kicker is it ceases to be interpretive if or when he gets enough of them to sign on for a movie, then he'll make something up as he goes along. It only remains interpretive as long as he's done making money off of it. His pocketbook wouldn't allow him to give us any answers. Lame.

[Spurminator]

It's amazing to me that people's satisfaction could have been bought with someone simply putting a gun to Tony's head and pulling the trigger.

And there's not going to be a movie.

[DirkAB]

It's amazing to me that people's satisfaction could have been bought with someone simply putting a gun to Tony's head and pulling the trigger.

And there's not going to be a movie.


I wasn't hoping for Tony to get whacked, he was my favorite character, I was hoping for CLOSURE! No matter what form it took, a little closure would have been nice. Show us if he made it out of the restaurant, don't even need to show us if he makes it to trial. Too many loose ends.

To imply that anybody could have been bought is a joke, we want some finality to a show that we invested like 100 hours of our lives into. Instead of him taking the easy way out and just letting us draw our own conclusion.

[Spurminator]

If you assume Tony lives, the last scene is an artistic portrayal of the endless paranoia he's going to live with for the rest of his life. Will someone turn on him, will he be hauled away by the cops, will he be shot randomly... there's no closure or happy ending to be had. I guess they could have shown that without an abrupt ending, and simply panned away as they sit at a table eating, but that's been done before. This was a much more interesting way to show it.

If you assume Tony was shot, it's a brilliant (and original) portrayal of death from Tony's perspective. Hightened senses, tension, and a completely unexpected end where everything goes "dark and silent." I guess they could have shown him getting shot, and then panned away as he lies in a pool of his own blood with his family screaming around him, but that would have been so predictable.

IMO, "closure" is rarely as satisfying as what leads up to it.

[PeterBurns]

If you assume Tony lives, the last scene is an artistic portrayal of the endless paranoia he's going to live with for the rest of his life. Will someone turn on him, will he be hauled away by the cops, will he be shot randomly... there's no closure or happy ending to be had. I guess they could have shown that without an abrupt ending, and simply panned away as they sit at a table eating, but that's been done before. This was a much more interesting way to show it.

If you assume Tony was shot, it's a brilliant (and original) portrayal of death from Tony's perspective. Hightened senses, tension, and a completely unexpected end where everything goes "dark and silent." I guess they could have shown him getting shot, and then panned away as he lies in a pool of his own blood with his family screaming around him, but that would have been so predictable.

IMO, "closure" is rarely as satisfying as what leads up to it.



That's all she wrote....Perfectly stated

[Islymore]

I have never really watched the Sopranos during its run... but from what I have heard it was an excellent show during the course of its yrs... however, as a fan of artistic endings to movies - I thot the ending sucked.

I thot the crushing of Phil was a lil bit excessive, but Soprano-style none the less I assumed. kinda sad, kinda alarming, kinda unbelieveable. but GREAT CAMERA SHOTS the entire show!!!!! loved that.

I cant really say if Tony got killed - it def looked like it was leading up to that. the music, the way he kept looking around, the suspicious ppl, the "assassin" entering the bathroom. But call me crazy, I thot it was the same guy who killed Phil. So... I was confused. And the darkness for 10 secs weirded me out completely! I thot my tv blacked out. Was quite disappointed that we have no idea how it ended for the family. But since i was never really a fan of the show as a whole, I guess I could see how some ppl are happy and some mad about the SERIES FINALE EPI.

It sucked compared to other SERIES FINALE EPIs....

[DirkAB]

If you assume Tony lives, the last scene is an artistic portrayal of the endless paranoia he's going to live with for the rest of his life. Will someone turn on him, will he be hauled away by the cops, will he be shot randomly... there's no closure or happy ending to be had. I guess they could have shown that without an abrupt ending, and simply panned away as they sit at a table eating, but that's been done before. This was a much more interesting way to show it.

If you assume Tony was shot, it's a brilliant (and original) portrayal of death from Tony's perspective. Hightened senses, tension, and a completely unexpected end where everything goes "dark and silent." I guess they could have shown him getting shot, and then panned away as he lies in a pool of his own blood with his family screaming around him, but that would have been so predictable.

IMO, "closure" is rarely as satisfying as what leads up to it.


Really you don't have to explain it to me, because I actually understand the possible outcomes of that steaming pile of shit ending.

The show had steadily gone downhill and gotten more and more anti-climactic, with very few exceptions, since season 5. It's really too bad. It's like Chase has been teasing us for 3 seasons with things that would ultimately never come to fruition.

I think it is a joke that the war between NY and NJ took place in 1 and a half episodes. That is what we had been leading up to for 3 seasons, and boom.....fucking nothing. I'm so truly disappointed in the last three seasons of the Sopranos, fuck!

[Spurminator]

If you were expecting some kind of Saving Private Ryan-esque mob war scene, I have to wonder what show you've been watching for the past 8 years thinking it was The Sopranos.

[Spurminator]

"Everybody wants a thrill....
The movie never ends, it goes on and on and on and on...."

[DirkAB]

If you were expecting some kind of Saving Private Ryan-esque mob war scene, I have to wonder what show you've been watching for the past 8 years thinking it was The Sopranos.

Saving Private Ryan-esque? That doesn't even make sense. War and mafia? How are they comparable?

I've been watching the same show that everybody else has, the one that kicked fucking major ass for 4 straight seasons, and then started to really slow down and disappoint in season 5.

Still the best show ever, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't majorly disappointed in the direction the show has gone in the last 3 seasons.

I guess I just have to come to grips with the fact that the peak of the show was years ago in season 3 & 4.

BTW, if you think that Chase wouldn't do a movie if he get enough main characters on board, you're fucking crazy.

[leemajors]

If you were expecting some kind of Saving Private Ryan-esque mob war scene, I have to wonder what show you've been watching for the past 8 years thinking it was The Sopranos.
i think the end of that crappy "way of the gun" movie with the old man gangster shootout would be better

[Sunshine]

Remember the episode where Tony and Bobby are on the lake? They're talking about death and stuff, and wondering what it's like in the end. Bobby says something like "You probably don't even hear it."

There ya go. We didn't hear it.

[tsb2000]

My takes, fwiw:

1. I'm just glad Tony didn't wake up and find out the entire series was all a dream, and Tony was just some jabrone.That would be so like Chase to have the whole thing end up like that.

2. I thought the most interesting part of the show was the FBI agent saying "yes! we're going to win this thing!" When he heard Phil was dead (while in the hotel room with the other woman agent). It showed that even the supposed "good guys" are just as bad as the mobsters. That scene was great, albeit quick.

3. The ending blew. I can understand the "no closure" ending, as many series have gone that route, but it could have ended a thousand different ways, and they all would have been better.

Oh well. When does the movie come out? :)

[Sunshine]

the pubic always wants blood.


Only when it's on its period.

[duncanchick21]

I think the black screen signified Tony's death because the guy sitting at the counter and later went to the bathroom is listed in the credits as "Leotardo". The last scene was great because the viewers felt the same anxiety as Tony thinking that anybody in the restaurant could be there to kill him.

[Spurminator]

Somebody mentioned int he Simmons chat that Tony's shirt changes between the time he enters the coffee shop and when he's seated. I thought I noticed this at the time but had forgotten all about it. Anyone else see that?

Could that whole last scene have been his imagination?

[SA210]

Somebody mentioned int he Simmons chat that Tony's shirt changes between the time he enters the coffee shop and when he's seated. I thought I noticed this at the time but had forgotten all about it. Anyone else see that?

Could that whole last scene have been his imagination?
I noticed the same thing, but then I couln't remember if it was a different shirt or if he was wearing a jacket, then took it off.

[bigfish22]

This ending is too far ahead of most people to make sense right now, but in a few days or weeks everyone will recognize the cinematic genius that it is. If every were killed off in a gorry bloodbath, then our relationship with each character would have ended with each bullet into each character. Like many who go before us, they are forgotten and only brought up in memory every so often. But that didn't happen. This ending will force the audience to revel in its glory, and forever debate what they think happened. "WHO SHOT JR?" In doing so, our relationship to the Sopranos does not just die, simply because the show has. Brilliant piece of work.

http://i9.tinypic.com/4xutg5y.gif

[monosylab1k]

I'm curious as to what the other two alternate endings were. Maybe it's best to not find out. This ending was initially infuriating for me, but ultimately I think it was the right way to end the show.

[u2sarajevo]

I rewatched it. I think it's genius. My stomach was in knots that whole scene because I thought he was gone with the camera shots on specific people and the look of suspicion on most everyone not Tony in the restaurant. It was then that I wanted him to live more than any other time during the shows entire run.... I'm quite certain it was Meadow coming through the door... and I think the blank screen and silence was us dying(metaphorically speaking), not Tony.

Life for Tony goes on. AJ is influenced by his father (I thought his rehashing something Tony had told him long ago was brilliant to give us closure that perhaps he would turn out alright...).

Great show. I wanted a movie, but the more I think about it I just wanted it to not end more than anything else... which makes the abrupt ending even more brilliant. Because that's what it did. It ended. Plain and simple.

[Ballcox]

^Tough call, and everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions about the ending. For me, after having watched every episode of this series at least 3 times, the ending produced some conflicting thoughts/emotions.

My first reaction was mainly confusion. Does Tony get killed? Does his family get killed? Does he live and have just a normal dinner with his family?

After sitting in my living room for about 30 minutes thinking about the ending, I finally came to the conclusion that the ending fit for this series. Chase has left plenty of storylines in this series for us to figure out, he doesn't really like to wrap things up sometimes, he lets the audience decide for themselves, which I kind of like.

I also tend to feel that for Tony, life just goes on with his family and all the constant stress/anxiety he has to deal with on a daily basis. I mean the guy never really had any sustained period of stress free life in this series. There was always something he had to deal with-with his mob family or his real family.

So now he moves on with the possibility of more legal problems on the horizon, something he's had to deal with before.

The one thing I did keep coming back to with the ending is that Tony (when sober) NEVER lost a fight/battle during the entire series, he always found a way to win/survive. I keep coming back to that when I think about that last scene, I just can't convince myself that he loses that final battle.

[Spurminator]

Okay, new question...

When I watched last night, I'm 99% sure the scene actually ended with Meadow (confirmed it with the two people I watched it with)... but most reviews I've read have it ending with Tony.

What did you guys see?

For the record I watched it on the HD channel.

[u2sarajevo]

Okay, new question...

When I watched last night, I'm 99% sure the scene actually ended with Meadow (confirmed it with the two people I watched it with)... but most reviews I've read have it ending with Tony.

What did you guys see?

For the record I watched it on the HD channel.It ended with Meadow crossing the street running up to the restaurant. Then we get the sequence that's in the .gif above of Tony at the table with AJ and Carmella, you hear the door, Tony looking up with a nondescript look on his face and then silence (and black).

[Spurminator]

See, I saw one last flash back to Meadow after Tony looked up. I think she was entering the restaurant but it was pretty quick. The song went "Don't stop" and then it was over.

[IceColdBrewski]

Too funny. I never really got into this series the way other people did. I watched an episode here and there, but nothing major. I was joking with Wifey yesterday about how it was going to end since that's all people on the radio wanted to talk about. I joked that it would be funny if it just went to black "Monty Python Holy Grail style". Sounds like I nailed it. :lol

[hello13]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bphuuLi17SU

[bigfish22]

Okay, new question...

When I watched last night, I'm 99% sure the scene actually ended with Meadow (confirmed it with the two people I watched it with)... but most reviews I've read have it ending with Tony.

What did you guys see?

For the record I watched it on the HD channel.

If you are trying to say that the scene flashed an image of Meadow walking through that door just after Tony looked up and reached for his pocket then you are mistaken. See my post at the bottom of page 3, you don't even have to read what I said to get my point.

[GoldToe]

I still have not seen one episode of the Sopranos.

[DirkAB]

are you fucking retarded? two sides shoot guns at each other. war. mafia's had plenty of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Mafia_War

this show wasn't about mafia wars.

This show wasn't at all about mafia wars? Good one meatball, they only beat around the bush about war between the two family's for 3 straight fucking seasons. Then what the hell were they hinting at the with NJ and NY for half the series? With all the build up and tension, the war between two family's was a dud.

And comparing a WWII movie to somebody's expectations of the series finale of the greatest TV show of all-time, that happened to be a mafia show, is retarded. Just because I felt the last show was uneventful and lame doesn't mean I wanted some overdone shoot-em up bullshit alternative.

[monosylab1k]

This show wasn't at all about mafia wars?

Personally, I'd say the show was a family drama, just that this particular family happened to be involved in the Mafia - and that's how it ended....with the family.

[monosylab1k]

The more I watch and think about the ending, the more I love it. The first time I saw it, I absolutely hated it. Now, I can't imagine it ending any other way, and I wouldn't want it to. Perfect ending.

[Spurminator]

If you are trying to say that the scene flashed an image of Meadow walking through that door just after Tony looked up and reached for his pocket then you are mistaken. See my post at the bottom of page 3, you don't even have to read what I said to get my point.


I know that for most people it ended with Tony, but what I'm saying is that I remember the last shot being Meadow. And I'm not the only person who remembers it this way. The gamefaqs.com forum has several people who saw it too (or think they did).

So what I was wondering is if the HD feed had a slightly different ending, or if there was any other explanation. I know it's probably unlikely, but that's why I was seeing if anyone else remembered it that way.

Alas, I'm probably just crazy.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The more I watch and think about the ending, the more I hate it.

It was the perfect ending for a show who's writing has been in decline since Season 2.

Chase is the suck.

[SA210]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bphuuLi17SU
Journey to end it all. Love that song. Perfect choice.

[Thunder Dan]

Read my thread I just made, I think most of you will really like it if your into the Sopranos ending

[monosylab1k]

The more I watch and think about the ending, the more I hate it.

It was the perfect ending for a show who's writing has been in decline since Season 2.

Chase is the suck.

No offense, but I think this is exactly the type of response Chase is looking for. The writing and symbolism of The Sopranos has been on a higher plane than anything else on TV for the past few seasons, and this final ending is his way of truly separating the wheat from the chaff as far as people who get what the show is about.

[spursaretheone]

I think Tony was killed at the end because if you think back to when he was talking to bobby in the boat and it flashed back to this a couple of times, bobby says "I wonder if you hear anything when it happens." So when the bell rings the dude that went to the bathroom probably came out and shot him and then its total silence. Thats my theory.

[DirkAB]

Personally, I'd say the show was a family drama, just that this particular family happened to be involved in the Mafia - and that's how it ended....with the family.


Of course it was a family drama, what do you think the mafia is? A family. And what happens in the mafia sometimes? They go to war with other crime families.

[DirkAB]

So what I was wondering is if the HD feed had a slightly different ending, or if there was any other explanation. I know it's probably unlikely, but that's why I was seeing if anyone else remembered it that way.


I watched it in HD and the last thing I saw was Tony looking toward the door. Wouldn't that be something, if Chase had some crazy setup where people were actually seeing different things. Wouldn't surprise me after that practical joke of an ending he pulled on everybody last night.

[johngateswhiteley]

how can people watch this crap?

[DirkAB]

how can people watch this crap?

Better than googling and beating off to pics of Marisa Miller all day.

[johngateswhiteley]

Better than googling and beating off to pics of Marisa Miller all day.

is that what i do?

[monosylab1k]

Of course it was a family drama, what do you think the mafia is? A family. And what happens in the mafia sometimes? They go to war with other crime families.

it was a family drama, not a Family drama. like i said before, this was a show about a man, his wife, and their two children, and NOT a show about the Mafia.

saying that this show was a Mafia show is like saying that The Simpsons is a show about guys who work at a nuclear power plant.

the ending remained true to the show...i'm so happy they didn't sell out to please the mindless drones of fans who wanted blood for the sake of blood.

[monosylab1k]

This was taken from the HBO forums...I have my doubts as to some of this, but it certainly makes some sense......and for added emphasis i am SO FUCKING HAPPY that david chase didn't spoonfeed us a neatly wrapped ending with a pretty little bow on top.


OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened. The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).

Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family.

Thank you David Chase for making it so obscure that I feel bad for hating you at first. Absolutely amazing!!!!

[to21]

Why leave it up to interpretation? Did you guys watch the show for the substance of the material or did you tune in to watch someone get whacked?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

this was a show about a man, his wife, and their two children, and NOT a show about the Mafia.



No offense, but you don't get it either.

It was about the head of a major crime syndicate and his warped relationships with the women in his life; mother, Carmella, Melfi, Meadow, AJ(feminine qualities were two-fold; antithesis of Tony and the woman theme), Janice, mistresses, etc. IMO, Chase was trying to say that these relationships were more, or at least as much, of a hindrance to Tony than being a Mafia Don was.


this final ending is his way of truly separating the wheat from the chaff as far as people who get what the show is about.

Funny you should say that...

And someone, somewhere mentioned that Tony was only imagining this, hence the reason he was wearing two different shirts. If this is the case, IMO, everyone in the diner, in Tony's mind, are some of the people he thinks could kill or turn on him. He keeps going back and forth with Meadow, the only person he trusts and adores, which is the reason why it takes her so long to park.

When Meadow finally enters that part of his thinking by entering the diner, it's over for Tony. He has no one. End show. End theory.

[Spurminator]

Why leave it up to interpretation? Did you guys watch the show for the substance of the material or did you tune in to watch someone get whacked?

Substance for me, every time.

[monosylab1k]

And someone, somewhere mentioned that Tony was only imagining this, hence the reason he was wearing two different shirts.

He wasn't wearing different shirts. I'm 100% sure about that.

[Spurminator]

I'm not sure. I watched it again last night and it looked like they could have been different.

Plus the way it was shot suggested he was imagining himself sitting there. It starts with Tony looking towards the table, cuts to the table (far view) showing patrons around, cuts back to Tony, then cuts to the same shot of the table but with Tony sitting there... with what looks to be a different shirt.

[monosylab1k]

I think he's wearing the same shirt...just his jacket covers the black areas on the sides of his shirt. I do think it's odd that they jump immediately to him with his jacket off and toying with the jukebox instead of at least one throwaway shot of him taking off the jacket and sitting down (probably just cuz it was a cool looking shot), but I still think that it's the same shirt.

[u2sarajevo]

I wish I could post the article but I don't know where to get it... but a Dallas local sports station read an article with an interview with Chase (from yesterday) in which he states that Tony lives.....

[monosylab1k]

Either way, whether he was imagining himself sitting there or not, whether he was killed or not....this was a perfect ending. All the talk and debate over what really happened is alot more fun than saying "Oh hey Jack Bauer killed the terrorists, the end"

[monosylab1k]

It was about the head of a major crime syndicate and his warped relationships with the women in his life; mother, Carmella, Melfi, Meadow, AJ(feminine qualities were two-fold; antithesis of Tony and the woman theme), Janice, mistresses, etc. IMO, Chase was trying to say that these relationships were more, or at least as much, of a hindrance to Tony than being a Mafia Don was.

I think Tony's involvement in the Mafia has very little to do with what the heart of the show is about. The Mafia angle is what sucks in casual viewers who tune in simply to watch whackings and to see a few tits at the Bada Bing, and prompts people to bitch about how much the ending "sucked".

[DirkAB]

saying that this show was a Mafia show is like saying that The Simpsons is a show about guys who work at a nuclear power plant.


You're out of your mind of you truly believe that. The show is very much about Tony's family and his psyche, but everything in this show is as it pertains to the mob.

If you truly think that the mob is so secondary in this show, then you must believe that changing what Tony does for a living would have less effect on the show than changing his family dynamic or family make-up. The show is more about showing the world through the eyes of a mobster, how it effects his family relationships, his outlook on life, and his view of the world.

The show revolves around the mafia more than it revolves around Tony's family, based on the fact that the show would have been basically the same thing if you changed things in his family, wouldn't have been the same show if you changed what Tony did for a living.

[DirkAB]

Saw this post on another board and thought it was hilarious.


I just saw a sneak preview for the new Sopranos movie and WHOA!!!!! Verrrrrry interesting. I don't want to give away too much, but it's actually two hours of a completely black screen. You have to imagine the entire plotline. Freaking genius. At least the version I imagined.

[bigfish22]

He wasn't wearing different shirts. I'm 100% sure about that.

I concur, I heard that rumor somewhere and investigated that too. But no he wasn't wearing a different shirt.

I am trying to figure out if that erie sound when he first walked in and looked at the table he would be sitting at meant anything. I think that chime is what everyone is overlooking here. Listen for it if you watch the last scene again. It's right as he walks in the door and gazes at the table

[MrChug]

I was really wierded out by the Journey playing. It made the scene really cheeseball.

[u2sarajevo]

I am quite certain no matter how it ended everyone would not be pleased.

I liked it. I guess I'm a lucky one.

The only show I ever saw that ended with everyone happy (that I'm aware of) was Six Feet Under.

[pussyface]

I was really wierded out by the Journey playing. It made the scene really cheeseball.

...i had the misfortune of watching the episode with an idiot who shared your misguided opinion.

look directly above your head and you will see 'the sopranos' passing over top of you.

tony selected the song as he was straining for sentimentality. it wasn't picked because anyone thinks that its a cool song.

[leemajors]

...i had the misfortune of watching the episode with an idiot who shared your misguided opinion.

look directly above your head and you will see 'the sopranos' passing over top of you.

tony selected the song as he was straining for sentimentality. it wasn't picked because anyone thinks that its a cool song.

millions in karaoke bars would beg to differ.

[monosylab1k]

millions in karaoke bars would beg to differ.

isn't the point of karaoke bars to go sing cheesy crap for laughs?

either way, i agree with pussyface about this. the song wasn't picked so that the viewer could talk about how "awesome" that final song was and immediately download it on itunes the second the credits started rolling (i.e. the six feet under finale and every song used on grey's anatomy), the song was picked becaue it was the exact type of song Tony would choose to listen to in that situation.

[leemajors]

isn't the point of karaoke bars to go sing cheesy crap for laughs?
for some, yes.

[marini martini]

[QUOTE=leemajors]for some, yes.[/QUOTE

But not for you? :elephant :elephant :elephant :toast

[monosylab1k]

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1406/1/

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy7tMx6ix8g

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy7tMx6ix8g

Patsy had him killed right? He's the one who'd know where he was since his son was plowing Meadow. Patsy as a boss seems weird as hell though.

[Bynumite]

Jamal Ginsberg (Meadow's black/jew boyfriend) had Tony killed imho for calling him a mulignan.

[Reck]

I'm actually rewatching this. Up to episode 12 of season 5.

RIP Adrianna.

[Spurtacular]

Patsy had him killed right? He's the one who'd know where he was since his son was plowing Meadow. Patsy as a boss seems weird as hell though.

Not something I ever figured, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSUFaSVPCRQ

[baseline bum]

I'm actually rewatching this. Up to episode 12 of season 5.

RIP Adrianna.

Chris' new woman was so much hotter. Adriana went downhill fast.

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSUFaSVPCRQ

Meadow looking saggy just doesn't seem right tbh

[Spurtacular]

Meadow looking saggy just doesn't seem right tbh

I read about how she got an MS diagnosis fairly recently, like within the last few years. That may contribute. She did get hotter for a time after the show, though. Dude who married her was a lucky fellow. Looks will always fade at some point.

[baseline bum]

Not something I ever figured, tbh.

I don't think NY really had beef with Tony once Phil and Johnny Sac were out of the picture. Phil's killing was just business since no one could earn as long as Phil wanted to be at war. But I remember Patsy with that shit eating slimeball grin in Tony's living room when Tony and Carmella find out Patsy's son and Meadow were dating. And with Sil, Chris, and Bobby out of the picture, you gotta think Patsy is next in succession to take the throne with Tony gone. He has always wanted to kill Tony for the way Philly got whacked and he's the one person in any of the crews who knew Tony would be at Holsten's. So he has two motives, he knows where to get him when his guard is down, and his passive aggressive act in Tony's living room earlier in the episode all seem to foreshadow him being the one having T killed. I don't think anyone else makes much sense as the one ordering the hit. It's not Paulie; he definitely doesn't want the throne after he was hesitant about a promotion from Tony earlier in the season.

[Spurtacular]

I don't think NY really had beef with Tony once Phil and Johnny Sac were out of the picture. Phil's killing was just business since no one could earn as long as Phil wanted to be at war. But I remember Patsy with that shit eating slimeball grin in Tony's living room when Tony and Carmella find out Patsy's son and Meadow were dating. And with Sil, Chris, and Bobby out of the picture, you gotta think Patsy is next in succession to take the throne with Tony gone. He has always wanted to kill Tony for the way Philly got whacked and he's the one person in any of the crews who knew Tony would be at Holsten's. So he has two motives, he knows where to get him when his guard is down, and his passive aggressive act in Tony's living room earlier in the episode all seem to foreshadow him being the one having T killed. I don't think anyone else makes much sense as the one ordering the hit. It's not Paulie; he definitely doesn't want the throne after he was hesitant about a promotion from Tony earlier in the season.

It's possible. But he wasn't that much in the foreground for it to seem like he was necessarily next in line. And he was a bit of a coward. He ran as Sil got shot, and he had to be drunk to piss in Tony's pool. He was very scared of Tony.

[Reck]

I don't think NY really had beef with Tony once Phil and Johnny Sac were out of the picture. Phil's killing was just business since no one could earn as long as Phil wanted to be at war. But I remember Patsy with that shit eating slimeball grin in Tony's living room when Tony and Carmella find out Patsy's son and Meadow were dating. And with Sil, Chris, and Bobby out of the picture, you gotta think Patsy is next in succession to take the throne with Tony gone. He has always wanted to kill Tony for the way Philly got whacked and he's the one person in any of the crews who knew Tony would be at Holsten's. So he has two motives, he knows where to get him when his guard is down, and his passive aggressive act in Tony's living room earlier in the episode all seem to foreshadow him being the one having T killed. I don't think anyone else makes much sense as the one ordering the hit. It's not Paulie; he definitely doesn't want the throne after he was hesitant about a promotion from Tony earlier in the season.

Nah I think you're reading too much into it. The crime family would have collapse without Tony, silvio and most of the players dead or having being flipped.

Dont forget Carlo flipped so he's probably giving up the entire Soprano crew, including Patsy.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/the-sopranos-movie-prequel-release-date.html

[baseline bum]

Nah I think you're reading too much into it. The crime family would have collapse without Tony, silvio and most of the players dead or having being flipped.

It probably would pretty quickly, but there are still tons of low level faggots that would be kicking up towards Patsy. Paulie would have to also.



Dont forget Carlo flipped so he's probably giving up the entire Soprano crew, including Patsy.

Never said it would be a very good reign for Patsy though. Patsy is still the only guy who I think has a motive. I could have seen Paulie setting it up if he wanted the throne, but he doesn't.

[baseline bum]

It's possible. But he wasn't that much in the foreground for it to seem like he was necessarily next in line. And he was a bit of a coward. He ran as Sil got shot, and he had to be drunk to piss in Tony's pool. He was very scared of Tony.

Which is what makes it weird as hell, most pussy ass boss of a family. But he's all that's left with much rank outside Paulie. For the life of me I can't think of anyone else who has a compelling interest in seeing Tony dead. And damn Patsy looks at Tony with such hatred in this scene.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZV909EfVI

[Spurtacular]

Which is what makes it weird as hell, most pussy ass boss of a family. But he's all that's left with much rank outside Paulie. For the life of me I can't think of anyone else who has a compelling interest in seeing Tony dead. And damn Patsy looks at Tony with such hatred in this scene.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZV909EfVI

Of course he hates him. He killed his brother. But Patsy is not next up. Paulie is ahead of him in the pecking order.

[baseline bum]

Of course he hates him. He killed his brother. But Patsy is not next up. Paulie is ahead of him in the pecking order.

Paulie was already really weird about that promotion Tony offered him earlier in the season though. I don't think he wanted the crown at all. I think it's kind of a funny low note for the series to end on with Patsy boss of the family.

[Spurtacular]

Paulie was already really weird about that promotion Tony offered him earlier in the season though. I don't think he wanted the crown at all. I think it's kind of a funny low note for the series to end on with Patsy boss of the family.

There's the scene where Paulie stepped up just to avoid Patsy being promoted. Patsy was a running joke.

[spurraider21]

Paulie was already really weird about that promotion Tony offered him earlier in the season though. I don't think he wanted the crown at all. I think it's kind of a funny low note for the series to end on with Patsy boss of the family.
but would patsy even know that paulie will turn down the throne?

i just assumed it was somebody from NY getting revenge for phil. sure, he was causing problems, but it was an unsanctioned hit of a boss.

or maybe somebody learned tony was talking to the feds

[baseline bum]

but would patsy even know that paulie will turn down the throne?

i just assumed it was somebody from NY getting revenge for phil. sure, he was causing problems, but it was an unsanctioned hit of a boss.

or maybe somebody learned tony was talking to the feds

You're right, Patsy probably wouldn't know Paulie initially turned down that offer from Tony. The hit of Phil got sanctioned by Butch though. Tony was a big moneymaker for New York so I can't believe they wanted him gone once the beef with Phil was over.

[spurraider21]

You're right, Patsy probably wouldn't know Paulie initially turned down that offer from Tony. The hit of Phil got sanctioned by Butch though. Tony was a big moneymaker for New York so I can't believe they wanted him gone once the beef with Phil was over.
ah, forgot about that :tu

it could be patsy for all we know, but i doubt its from any ambitions for being the boss, because he still thinks paulie is up

maybe furio came back :lol

[Reck]

In rewatching this series, the many times Christopher joked about tony's weight and how he was going to die from a heart attack before 50 hits home harder now. That was exactly how he died in real life. WHILE IN ITALY. Them prophetic words.

Well he was 51 but still

[baseline bum]

ah, forgot about that :tu

it could be patsy for all we know, but i doubt its from any ambitions for being the boss, because he still thinks paulie is up

maybe furio came back :lol

Maybe it was just taking Tony out since he knew Paulie wasn't loyal and Sil was gone. But there had be some ambition there too if it was him. At worst he'd be second in the DiMeo family. Still can't see anyone but Patsy as the one ordering the hit making sense. Unless it was Adriana's alcoholic mother or Rosalie Aprile. :lol Was there anyone still loyal to Richie Aprile? No one but Tony, Carmella, and Chris knew it was Janice and not Tony who took him out.

[baseline bum]

In rewatching this series, the many times Christopher joked about tony's weight and how he was going to die from a heart attack before 50 hits home harder now. That was exactly how he died in real life. WHILE IN ITALY. Them prophetic words.

Well he was 51 but still

LOL yeah Chris said that shit all the time.

[MultiTroll]

Y'all are reading to much into it.
David Chase basically doesn't give a f.
Pine Barrens episode. He got tons of inquiries about if the Russian was to be presumed dead or not. He basic gave a f u answer of "who cares, he was some Russian" in real disdainful tones. Got too big for his britches after Sorpanos achieved success. Lots of bitching about pay etc among the cast. That is why the final season had so many bullshit filler episdoes with AJ. He took way less money obviously.

I myself would pay money to see the Russian survive and come back and rail those two ultra pussies (KristoDuh and Paulie.)
Ditto the episode where Paulie robbed the old lady, his mothers friend. She kneed him in the balls and he was doubled over. I would PAY to see her finish him off. Preferably kill the little bitch but would also be good to have had her call the cops and he be arrested. Of course they had to write it where he miraculously recovers from ball mash in 20 seconds and weasels out.

Pretty sure you guys must have seen the MSNBC special on the real life Sopranos. *Macho* charismatic Tony ends up ratting out the entire crew in exchange for super light Club Fed and then completely free. Living in Dallas running a strip club until that went south. How the hell no one has whacked him is beyond me.

[Spurtacular]

In rewatching this series, the many times Christopher joked about tony's weight and how he was going to die from a heart attack before 50 hits home harder now. That was exactly how he died in real life. WHILE IN ITALY. Them prophetic words.

Well he was 51 but still

His health looked noticeably much worse in the last two or three seasons. The show went with it, but I'm wondering if they dictated the weight gain at all. Honestly, someone should've done an intervention.

[basquetbol]

His health looked noticeably much worse in the last two or three seasons. The show went with it, but I'm wondering if they dictated the weight gain at all. Honestly, someone should've done an intervention.

James lost weight for his role in "The Mexican", Chase told Gandolfini to gain his weight back because people wont like a skinny Tony Soprano.

[Spurtacular]

James lost weight for his role in "The Mexican", Chase told Gandolfini to gain his weight back because people wont like a skinny Tony Soprano.

Which is wrong. He looked better in the earlier seasons at a more healthy weight. Gandolfini should've told them you get what you get.

[Reck]

Which is wrong. He looked better in the earlier seasons at a more healthy weight. Gandolfini should've told them you get what you get.

He was getting a million an episode so compromise.

He passed long after the show ended so that wouldn't be an issue anyways. He had 2008-2013 to re-adjust. It's a shame really. Good damn actor.

[Spurtacular]

He was getting a million an episode so compromise.

He passed long after the show ended so that wouldn't be an issue anyways. He had 2008-2013 to re-adjust. It's a shame really. Good damn actor.

By that time he surely had health complications / habits that weren't so easy to alleviate. Once you hit a certain age you have to be extra careful. Health isn't always a switch you flip.

[spurraider21]

He was getting a million an episode so compromise.

He passed long after the show ended so that wouldn't be an issue anyways. He had 2008-2013 to re-adjust. It's a shame really. Good damn actor.
one of the best-acted shows all around, tbh