Who's Your MVP So Far?

[RiverwalkParade]

Sorry if this has already been posted....

Just wanted to pose the question: After Game 1, who leads the voting for Finals MVP?

Duncan had a dominant game on both ends of the floor. 5 blocks in the Finals is huge, staying out of foul trouble, great help defense, monster on the boards against a good rebounding team, and picked up his usual points.

Parker played beyond himself though. Attacked the paint, exploited Cleveland's D, dished out 7 dimes, got to the line, and opened up the floor for other guys with his penetration

So who is your pick? Duncan or Parker?

[midgetonadonkey]

Beno

[SA210]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/bruce_bowen-arton20880-240x240.jpg

And add a crown to King Bowen :king

[Obstructed_View]

Just wanted to pose the question: After Game 1, who leads the voting for Finals MVP?
Lebron James does. Duh.

[kinbenzoo]

timmy

[BlackFlagg]

Tony. So far.

[mardigan]

Jeff Van Gundy

[peskypesky]

Parker was awesome, no doubt, but Duncan is still the horse they ride. He had a dominant game on both ends of the court and you gotta go with the Big Man.

[ATRAIN]

MJ for making bron bron think he is a superstar and getting his dreams crushed by Timmy. Spurs in 4.

[DarrinS]

Tim will be MVP of the Finals -- book it

http://www.nba.com/media/tdpoint_627_070607.jpg

[fyatuk]

I'd actually go with Tony right now, he did a good job of setting the tone early (the slacked for a quarter or two though), and his penetration was the saving grace for a Spurs team that was shooting pretty badly from outside.

But if Duncan keeps getting in the 20/15/5 range, forget it.

[iflyabeech]

dude those blocks kept showing the princess who was the KING :dizzy :dizzy

[Got2bHilikus]

Timmy all the way

[RiverwalkParade]

It always starts and finishes with the big fundamental. Duncan is guaranteed to win it no matter what! In 2005 it should have been Manu and this year it could be Parker, but Tim is going to keep on winning it! I have no problem with Duncan winning his 4th:p:

I agree with you completely. Duncan will probably get it again, I just wish Ginobili would have gotten it in '05. That guy was huge in that series. Deserved it on his fourth quarter in game 7 alone.

[duncan228]

I agree that Parker was great.
Duncan MVP- always.

[ATRAIN]

Anyone have a picture of Elson Howling like Rampage :)?

[LeBrizzle]

Lebron =mvp of finals. Cavs in 6. Cavs win games 2,3,5,6. book it.

[O-Factor]

Lebron =mvp of finals. Cavs in 6. Cavs win games 2,3,5,6. book it.

Yet another ignorant Cleveland fan, i love it.

[lebomb]

So far............Tony

in the end.........Timmy

[O-Factor]

Tim will be the MVP, Lebrick will still be hype

[SA210]

So what kind of love will Bruce get, should he continue this job on Lebron?

Bruce for MVP!

[Typical London Boy]

What's the point in even discussing it? You know that they're going to take the cheap way out and give it to Duncan regardless of what happens in the next 3 games.

[nkdlunch]

Parker

[BigBeezie]

I say Parker has it thus far. He made it look easy last night...

[Budkin]

Always gonna be Timmy for me. Without him we'd be nothing.

[fyatuk]

What's the point in even discussing it? You know that they're going to take the cheap way out and give it to Duncan regardless of what happens in the next 3 games.

Not necessarily. Tony is easily the most marketable of the Spurs, so the league might try and nudge it his way if they can.

Not likely, but slightly possible.

[duncan228]

What's the point in even discussing it? You know that they're going to take the cheap way out and give it to Duncan regardless of what happens in the next 3 games.

Why is that the cheap way out?

Without Duncan this team has no championships.

[themvp]

Timmy D. He's tha man! He is always MVP.

[nkdlunch]

Why is that the cheap way out?

Without Duncan this team has no championships.

this is the MVP of THIS SERIES. without Parker last night we would have probably lost. probably same with Duncan, but I think Tony put more of an imprint on the game.

So it's gotta be Parker.

the thread question is who is the MVP SO FAR. not, who do you think will win MVP

[tim_duncan_fan]

Silly people make me laugh. I'm willing to bet that no one would think about anyone else but TD for MVP if he had scored 27 and TP had scored 24.

[hater]

Silly people make me laugh. I'm willing to bet that no one would think about anyone else but TD for MVP if he had scored 27 and TP had scored 24.

it's not about the points. Tony had also 7 assists and very few turnover. He is the PG, he did a brilliant job at it. He gets my vote so far. He was a true floor general

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'm glad TD isn't one of those selfish superstars. If he was he'd probably take a game off and show everybody who the MVP was. Imagine if he decided he wasn't going to play defense or rebound for a whole game....

That's right. We'd lose.


TD 4 MVP!

GO SPURS GO!

[Typical London Boy]

Why is that the cheap way out?

Without Duncan this team has no championships.

You're right about Duncan being the main reason for the Spurs' success.

But in the NBA Finals vs. Detroit, Manu Ginobili was clearly the MVP, but the NBA bottled it and went for the safe option.

If Ginobili's performance didn't warrant the MVP that year, then nobody's ever will.

And nobody will top that this year, and that's why Duncan will be the default victor once again.

[dbreiden83080]

Tony was great but Timmy was the man again on both ends of the floor, his D was amazing and so effiecient on the offensive end. Timmy was MVP of game 1.

[ChumpDumper]

Duncan. It's not even close.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Timmy, with honorable mention to Tony

[Avitus1]

Timmy!

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/images/06/07/tx_060707_duncan_si.jpg

Nuff said...

[romain.star]

Duncan. It's not even close.
so far, TP's the MVP... not even close

but at the end, TD will be the MVP, no doubt about it

[WalterBenitez]

Lebron ... who else :lmao

[SA210]

Bruce

[thewatcher]

parker.
i cant believe that i said that

[thewatcher]

Why is that the cheap way out?

Without Duncan this team has no championships.

and w/o manu, drob, jackson, etc duncan would have 3 less

[ClingingMars]

TD...I have real fake vMoney riding on it!

-Mars

[Warlord23]

Tony played great, but any of you who has watched the Spurs for at least 3 years know it's Timmy. The Spurs do it with defense, and TD is the best in the game.

They showed a stat on ESPN about how many times the greats of the game have had 20+ pts/10+ rebs/5+ blks in an NBA Finals game. People like Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, Erving etc had 2 apiece. Duncan has 4 in his career, including 1 yesterday.

The guy blocks 5 shot, alters around 10 more, is the biggest reason why the Cavs couldn't buy a bucket in the paint yesterday. On top of that he draws double and triple-teams on offense, and still gets 24/13 on 59% shooting.

If Mike Brown (or even a dumbass Cavs troll for that matter) is given a choice on which Spur he would like to get into foul trouble and keep out of the game, his choice would be Duncan. Hands down.

Parker is right on cue with his early offense and cutting defenses to pieces in games 1 and 2. This is what he does every year. Let's see how he does in games 3, 4 and 5. Not bagging on the guy, but he is yet to hit that next level.

[duncan228]

and w/o manu, drob, jackson, etc duncan would have 3 less

Duncan has had great teammates.

But he's the constant. The only one remaining from the '99 run. He's proven, and 3 Final MVP's confirm it, that he can win with different teammates around him. Robinson didn't win before Duncan, Duncan won after Robinson.

It's been hashed over again and again, but Pop said it best in numerous interviews. "Without Tim Duncan there are no championships."

You believe what you want to. I believe in Duncan.

[MadDog73]

But in the NBA Finals vs. Detroit, Manu Ginobili was clearly the MVP, but the NBA bottled it and went for the safe option.

Robert Horry was clearly the MVP of 2005 Finals...

[Warlord23]

and w/o manu, drob, jackson, etc duncan would have 3 less

Yeah, because Stephen Jackson is Pippen/Kobe material, right? Duncan won the title in 2002-03 with arguably the worst second banana in NBA playoff history.

[SAGambler]

I would say right now Tim has the edge over Tony.

It's really gonna get tight though, if Tony can step it up to 30 and 10 along with a few rebounds and a couple of steals.

[ClingingMars]

Robert Horry was clearly the MVP of 2005 Finals...

http://horryownsnba.ytmnd.com/
http://roberthorry.ytmnd.com/

-Mars

[thewatcher]

Duncan has had great teammates.

But he's the constant. The only one remaining from the '99 run. He's proven, and 3 Final MVP's confirm it, that he can win with different teammates around him. Robinson didn't win before Duncan, Duncan won after Robinson.

It's been hashed over again and again, but Pop said it best in numerous interviews. "Without Tim Duncan there are no championships."

You believe what you want to. I believe in Duncan.

also he said: "w/o manu the spurs would have 2 ships less" - popovich, greg

[thewatcher]

Yeah, because Stephen Jackson is Pippen/Kobe material, right? Duncan won the title in 2002-03 with arguably the worst second banana in NBA playoff history.

no but he had pippenesque/kobenesque nigths in the playoffs.

to who duncan won?, the only decent team was detroit or you you will say the knicks?, the nets?.....

[duncan228]

also he said: "w/o manu the spurs would have 2 ships less" - popovich, greg

Believe what you want.
Duncan is this team's cornerstone. Their foundation.
Last night the MVP of this series displayed the dominence he's known for on both ends of the court.
He will continue to do so and bring the fourth Title to SA.
Along with his fourth MVP.

[SPURS4LIFE21]

Tim

[SAGambler]

It's been hashed over again and again, but Pop said it best in numerous interviews. "Without Tim Duncan there are no championships."

Yeah, but Pop also said "Without Manu, there are 2 less trophys on the wall".

But isn't that what makes this team so great? Any given night, any one of them can take over a game and have an MVP night.

We never know where it is going to come from, but one thing we are all pretty certain of, and that is: It will come....

I would have to say right now Tim gets MVP.

Next year Tony may give him a run for his money when we go for #5.

[MadDog73]

And this is why I hate MVP awards for team play.

[Obstructed_View]

You guys are fucking retarded. Without everyone on the team there wouldn't be championships. That's why teams win and not individuals. It doesn't mean that one guy can't get a fucking extra trophy for a great effort. If Parker puts up 27 and 9 through the finals I can't believe anyone would say he didn't deserve MVP.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, Parker is playing against one guy with one foot part of the game. The other guy is shooting 78% from the floor.

We'll see how things go from here.

[Warlord23]

no but he had pippenesque/kobenesque nigths in the playoffs.

to who duncan won?, the only decent team was detroit or you you will say the knicks?, the nets?.....

Pippenesque? Did you even watch Pippen play? Listen, I loved what SJax brought to the table, but I wasn't blinded to his weaknesses. He shot a horrible % from the field and I cringed when he put the ball on the floor. Here are SJax's 2002-03 playoff stats:
12.8 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 2.7 APG, 41.4% FGP

And speaking of decent teams, the only decent team that LA met in the Finals, it folded like a cheap suit. You're telling me that the Nets, 76ers and Pacers were worthy opponents?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

LOL @ saying Parker, without Duncan, Parker isn't shit

[makedamnsure]

what happens when duncan fouls out?

what about when parker fouls out?

enough said.

[thewatcher]

duncans cocksuckers, take out duncans sperma off your eyes

[Obstructed_View]

what happens when duncan fouls out?

what about when parker fouls out?

enough said.
Huh?

[ChumpDumper]

duncans cocksuckers, take out duncans sperma off your eyes
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/images/06/07/tx_060707_duncan_si.jpg
Lebron first.

[duncan228]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/images/06/07/tx_060707_duncan_si.jpg
Lebron first.

:lmao

[makedamnsure]

Huh?

what i meant was that the spurs get into deep trouble when tim's in foul trouble. even when tim's just not in his groove, we suffer. it's not the same when tony doesn't play well.

[Obstructed_View]

what i meant was that the spurs get into deep trouble when tim's in foul trouble. even when tim's just not in his groove, we suffer. it's not the same when tony doesn't play well.
If Duncan were to foul out, he wouldn't deserve MVP. Why are you factoring in someone's career body of work for the NBA finals MVP, anyway? It's based on one game, so far. If you want to point to his five blocks and his defensive numbers, that's one thing, but don't point to his performance against the Nets four years ago.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I can't believe this. Part of me wants Duncan to take the next game5 off just to show some of these idiots what would happen.

Tim is the guy who sets the tone for everything. The Spurs are nothing without him.

Manu had somewhat of a case for MVP in 05 but really it was about duncan then too.

This is unbelievable. How can you be underrated by your own fans?

Oh wait, it's the story of Tim Duncan's life.

Tim= MUVP- Most Under-Valued Player

[dmac]

Boobie, of course!

[Obstructed_View]

I can't believe this. Part of me wants Duncan to take the next game5 off just to show some of these idiots what would happen.

Tim is the guy who sets the tone for everything. The Spurs are nothing without him.

Manu had somewhat of a case for MVP in 05 but really it was about duncan then too.

This is unbelievable. How can you be underrated by your own fans?

Oh wait, it's the story of Tim Duncan's life.

Tim= MUVP- Most Under-Valued Player
So then why not just give him the finals MVP before the fucking series? It obviously doesn't matter if anyone else plays well, it's just because they're on his team. Just shut up already. Nobody is undervaluing Duncan, but Parker's playing great too. Give it a fucking rest.

[tim_duncan_fan]

So then why not just give him the finals MVP before the fucking series? It obviously doesn't matter if anyone else plays well, it's just because they're on his team. Just shut up already. Nobody is undervaluing Duncan, but Parker's playing great too. Give it a fucking rest.

TD 4 MVP

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Emperor Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>King James

[mullet]

mike brown

that guy is giving us this series

[Obstructed_View]

TD 4 MVP

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Emperor Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>King James
A vote. Thank you.

[ForeignFan]

on this game, I think Tony has a slight edge, but at the end of the series (if we win it) it will be Tim, no doubt

[FilSpursFan]

Sas

[SANANTOJAMES]

Td

[elcigala]

Hey guys,
my first real post. Followed you for a long time from DC.
I'm french and mexican, so don't ask me to choose between Manu and Tony. Tony played great yesterday, but he missed a lot of jumpshots he could have knocked down, and missed free throws. TD's the puto cornerstone, and 1st game MVP for sure.
Allez les spurs!

[raspsa]

Ask the question after the series is over.

[ggoose25]

Chip Engelland.

That guy has helped us so much.

[Texas_Ranger]

Timmy D.

[Darrin]

Sorry if this has already been posted....

Just wanted to pose the question: After Game 1, who leads the voting for Finals MVP?

Duncan had a dominant game on both ends of the floor. 5 blocks in the Finals is huge, staying out of foul trouble, great help defense, monster on the boards against a good rebounding team, and picked up his usual points.

Parker played beyond himself though. Attacked the paint, exploited Cleveland's D, dished out 7 dimes, got to the line, and opened up the floor for other guys with his penetration

So who is your pick? Duncan or Parker?

MVP of Game One: Tony Parker. He's exploiting the matchup that Chauncey Billups never could.

[bigFUNDAMENTAL]

timmay

[yunflya]

East? west? Timmy is the best!

[charmie21]

Timmy will always be the MVP for me. But i have no problem with whoever gets it in the end, as long as we get our 4th title. and i know we will! :)

[Marcus Bryant]

Tony, without a doubt.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey guys,
my first real post. Followed you for a long time from DC.
I'm french and mexican, so don't ask me to choose between Manu and Tony. Tony played great yesterday, but he missed a lot of jumpshots he could have knocked down, and missed free throws. TD's the puto cornerstone, and 1st game MVP for sure.
Allez les spurs!
So because I'm german and dutch, I have to vote for Dirk and Elson? :pctoss

[Corn on the Colb]

So because I'm german and dutch, I have to vote for Dirk and Elson? :pctoss

Not sure if this has been posted already, but did that guy say he's French and MEXICAN?

Manu is Argentinian? I mean, I guess I can't really tell the difference either, but that is still funny to me.

[boobie4three]

Oh sure, chop off the bottom of the photo so we can't see Duncan wearing......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/tx_060707_duncan_si.jpg



THESE!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/spring-shoes.jpg

[Lp26]

The Pistons; for losing to this suck-ass team thus sending them as a gift to you guys.

Seriously, after game 1 Parker

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but did that guy say he's French and MEXICAN?

Manu is Argentinian? I mean, I guess I can't really tell the difference either, but that is still funny to me.
Especially since Manu is Italian. I didn't even notice he typed that. If only Najera were a Spur...

[rob5]

Would like to see Bowen get it. It would make up for his defensive player of the year award getting jacked again. But it will probably be Duncan.

[rob5]

Especially since Manu is Italian. I didn't even notice he typed that. If only Najera were a Spur...
Manu IS Argentinian.

[Obstructed_View]

Manu IS Argentinian.
We're talking about blood, not birth. He's Italian.

[WalterBenitez]

If TD won't go at his usual level, would go to ... LBJ, later Manu, Later TP ... but for 1000th time ... I would give the f...g MVP to Beno if we got the Championship

[duncan228]

Bump after game 2.

I'm all about Duncan. Tonight he puts up almost a triple double.

But damn. Parker is making a case for himself. Two great games in a row, and a couple of BIG shots tonight. If he continues to play this well I'll have to change my vote.

At the moment I'm still all about Duncan. But Parker has absolutely got my attention.

The Championship is what matters, the MVP is icing. It will be interesting watching Parker and Duncan the rest of the way.

[MannyIsGod]

Parker hit some huge shots tonight late in the game. I'm ready to say that he and Tim are COMVPs but I'm not nearly ready to give him the nod.

[dbreiden83080]

Should be co-Mvp's right now. I do think Duncan will get it because i think the Spurs will lose one of the next 2 in Cleveland and Tony will not have a big night in one of those and they will have to really go to Timmy in the low block.

[dav4463]

Tim Duncan

[Jimcs50]

co-MVPs

TP and TD

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

So far Tony's had two great games. If he keeps it up. He could get a few votes.

Game 3 will decide whether this is a series or not..

anyway, heh, the Spurs are doing such a great job as a team, I don't really care if it's not Tim, but I still bet my vbookie money on Manu. So if he wants to make his case he has to erupt for two 40 point games to snatch it away from Tim and Tony. :lol

[itzsoweezee]

duncan. near triple double tonight. 1/2 of tony's opportunities come b/c of all the attention paid to timmy.

[DDS4]

Tim.

But if Tony gets two more games like games 1 and 2, he's gonna get it.

It's the same scenario with MJ winning so many MVPs. Eventually they'll give one to Karl Malone or some other person one year.

[SequSpur]

Tony Parker is the best player in the NBA. One day you will listen to me.

[SA210]

Tony's lookin' good so far for that MVP (as far as how the media is hyping him)

[spursfan09]

In the press conference Tony said its too early to determine who the MVP is, but that Tim is the main guy for the Spurs. Tony Parker knows the reason he is able to shine on this stage.

[exstatic]

Tony. They've found ways to frustrate Tim for short bursts, but Tony is treating this series like a practice walk thru. He gets anything he wants. The only blemish on his entire series is that he is shooting a very Cleveland-like 60% from the line.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

duncan. near triple double tonight. 1/2 of tony's opportunities come b/c of all the attention paid to timmy.
Duncan is doing what he did during Manu's great Finals performance, had two great games, Duncan right behind him.

Tony's had two great games, abusing the opposing team, while Duncan puts up typical Duncan gamese.

[spursfan09]

Seems to me the CAvs are doubling Tim, and actually would rather have Tony beat them. And boy is he beating them....

[Money316]

Tony is da man.

[Tippecanoe]

tim duncan. if manu doesnt win in 05, tony wont win in 07

[timmydidit]

duncan

it would be nice if tony got it tho

[missmyzte]

NBATV right now said that Tony is "clearly" in the lead for Finals MVP. Just sad ...
TiMVP

[SA210]

NBATV right now said that Tony is "clearly" in the lead for Finals MVP. Just sad ...
TiMVP
That's why he might get it. Media is all over it. He has been playing really great. I'd be really happy for him. He's got to play this way on the road though. If he fades on the road, Duncan will get it.

[duncan228]

tim duncan. if manu doesnt win in 05, tony wont win in 07

I think you're right. Manu played out of his mind then, like Tony is now.

But, like I said earlier, I'm all about Duncan. And so is this team.
His numbers don't match Tony's in points so far but he does so much for this team that he's got to be MVP unless something drastic happens.

But damn, Tony is playing great.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Tony's doing great. But take Tony out we still have a chance to win it. Take Tim out, and ...well, it won't be pretty.

Timmy all the way.

[ducks]

I want tony to get it
he deserves to get more calls
I wanted manu to get it last time not duncan
that is if spurs win the series

[dbreiden83080]

I think you're right. Manu played out of his mind then, like Tony is now.

But, like I said earlier, I'm all about Duncan. And so is this team.
His numbers don't match Tony's in points so far but he does so much for this team that he's got to be MVP unless something drastic happens.

But damn, Tony is playing great.

I think the media votes for it so right now i think they would give it to Tony. However this series is not over i don't think Tony is going to have a big game in game 3 because they are really going to try and limit him in the lane. This is do or die for the Cavs and they have to stop one of the big 3. I am seeing a Spurs win or close loss where they are asking Duncan and Manu to really carry them.

[danger]

I want Duncan to get it, it would only be right.

[spursfan09]

I want Tim to get it. It will add to his legacy.

[50 cent]

I love Tony. He is my favorite Spurs player, but you gotta give it to Duncan.

He is the engine of this franchise.

[duncan228]

I think the media votes for it so right now i think they would give it to Tony. However this series is not over i don't think Tony is going to have a big game in game 3 because they are really going to try and limit him in the lane. This is do or die for the Cavs and they have to stop one of the big 3. I am seeing a Spurs win or close loss where they are asking Duncan and Manu to really carry them.

Duncan will carry them, he always does. Watch the last 6 minutes of the third quarter in game 7 against Detroit in '05. I believe Duncan's performance in that 6 minutes is what won the game and the series. And he was hurt then.

Duncan's defense this season, and this series cannot be overlooked or get lost in Parker's points. I think the voters will recognize that and Duncan will get his fourth. Tonight Parker outscored him but Duncan had more assists! :lol Not to mention the rebounds.

The whole package has to be considered in the voting.
And Duncan is the whole package. He always has been.

[Warlord23]

It's close for sure ...

PPG: Parker 28.5, Duncan 23.5
APG: Parker 4.5, Duncan 4.5
RPG: Parker 4, Duncan 11
STL: Parker 1.5, Duncan 1
BPG: Parker 0, Duncan 2.5
TO: Parker 3, Duncan 1.5
FG%: Parker 58.1%, Duncan 57.6%
FT%: Parker 60%, Duncan 75%

Very close on most categories except Parker's 5 PPG advantage and Duncan's 7 RPG edge.

Anchoring the defense, though, gives the lead to Duncan so far

[timvp]

Parker would have to go on the road and average 30+ for me to think about him being MVP.

As of right now, gotta give it to Tim. He's the foundation of this team and is playing damn well. Parker is playing well but it's only 2-0 and anything can happen the rest of the way.

[Budkin]

Parker right now but it's super close.

[dbreiden83080]

I want Tim to get it. It will add to his legacy.

Tim does not need to win the 4th finals MVP for it to add to his legacy especially if this is an easy series. The Piston series he had to step up even the Nets series but if this is a ho hum 5 game affair where the Spurs are never really threatened than no way him not winning a 4th mvp hurts him at all. This title puts him through the roof nomatter what.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

yeah, but 4 Finals MVPs looks real good on paper.

Even Magic only has 3.

[Slinkyman]

Don't count out Manu just yet, he plays his best ball on the road!

[Shaolin-Style]

The fact that Tony hasn't done his disappearing act in this years post season is more than enough to qualify him for mvp, but it will still go to Tim.

[makedamnsure]

Tim's had those extra little things though like the 8 assists tonight (I'm not quite sure on that though) and those 5 blocks in game 1 and just the little things he does. that's what'll get him the MVP trophy

[Obstructed_View]

I hope the Spurs win the next two games and this becomes the biggest problem Spurs fans have to worry about.

[Budkin]

I hope the Spurs win the next two games and this becomes the biggest problem Spurs fans have to worry about.

True Dat... I remember having this same conversation after Game 2 in 05.

[Mt.Spur]

co-mvps Duncan / parker

[Rapper]

Absolutely Timmy!!!

[Texas_Ranger]

After game 2 I think that TD is still the MVP. He just does all for the team. He is scoring, rebounding, assisting, blocking shots... + if Timmy would shoot as many as Tony does, he would also score about 30 a game. Spurs without Tim and with Tony on the floor suck, but if you play with Duncan and there is no Tony you are playing much better. SO TIM DUNCAN ALL THE WAY.

[dbreiden83080]

yeah, but 4 Finals MVPs looks real good on paper.

Even Magic only has 3.

Sure it does but if the Spurs are not pushed in this series and he does not win it his legacy is advanced just the same. Only goes against him if the Spurs are really pushed here and he comes up empty when they need him and still win the title.

[johnpaulwall21]

30 points for parker but only 2 assists................MVP for Duncan.

[Fuster]

Ask the question after the series is over.

Word.

Right now it is Parker. No, Horry (9 rebounds, 5 blocks). Next game it could be, who knows? Michael Finley? That is what I like about the Spurs, it isn't one person, it is the whole team (except maybe Brent Barry). Their bench is too powerful for most teams to beat them in a 7 game series, except maybe Dallas.

:nerd

[fred33]

30 points for parker but only 2 assists................MVP for Duncan.
total bulshitttt why tony has no assist finley and barry was bad on 8 assist of duncan four to tony jump shot

[dbreiden83080]

The stats right now are Tony 28.5 pts, 4.5 assists, on 58% shooting.
Timmy has got 23.5 pts, 11 reb, 2.5 blks, on 57% shooting although his D has been a huge factor so far as well, not just the shot blocks. It is close we'll see how things shape up in Cleveland.

[Amarelooms]

IF Parker keeps playing like this he is the MVP. His penetration is the key as well as his speed....he causes much of the problems..more so than Duncan so far :elephant

[dbreiden83080]

IF Parker keeps playing like this he is the MVP. His penetration is the key as well as his speed....he causes much of the problems..more so than Duncan so far :elephant

Duncan's D and getting double teamed like crazy as a whole is a bigger factor than Tony getting in the lane.

[milkyway21]

30 points for parker but only 2 assists................MVP for Duncan.



My friends told me Duncan and Tony switched places in game 2. With Duncan distributing the ball. They said Tony sometimes was selfish.
Well, I can't say I agree with what they say. I didn't notice. I still have to watch the replay.

[RADECK]

Tim&Tony both MVP

[mathbzh]

I would go with Tony but it is probably because I am used to TD greatness.

Tim is the cornerstone of our team and the MVP for the playoff run. But so far, for these finals TP is the key. The crazy thing is that Manu stand just behind the two others. If the cavs finally adjust to Tony speed, something tells me Manu could be back in the MVP discussion.

One think is obvious :
SA >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron

It probably proves that MVP honors are meaningless.

[Emeyin]

All around great play and being the defensive anchor makes Tim Duncan the Finals MVP in my eyes. Spurs is all about the defense and not the offense.

[Gerryatrics]

Timmy. I would have almost gone with Tony but the fact that their assist numbers are the same sent me right back to Duncan.

[ca®lo]

if manu wasnt able to win mvp with his performance during the 05 run..

then tony clearly wont win this years MVP.

say all u want but timmy is still the real MVP of the spurs n the finals.

[ca®lo]

to make it simple..

use this logic, as what has been posted here countless times before.

take tony out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

take tim out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

if u can take one out, who would u rather be in the game? tim or tony?

theres ur MVP

[ginobili fan]

to make it simple..

use this logic, as what has been posted here countless times before.

take tony out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

take tim out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

if u can take one out, who would u rather be in the game? tim or tony?

theres ur MVP

This is fucking stupid dumbass.

[ArgSpursFan]

This is fucking stupid dumbass.

yeap.The spurs wouldn´t been playing the finals again if it wasn´t for the big 3.And the team needs them ALL 3 in order to get another ring.Period.
They need and complement eachother so well (along with Bruce)that,the spurs wouldnt been the team the are right now without ANY of them.

[ducks]

My friends told me Duncan and Tony switched places in game 2. With Duncan distributing the ball. They said Tony sometimes was selfish.
Well, I can't say I agree with what they say. I didn't notice. I still have to watch the replay.
how in the fucking hell is tony selfish he was told to shot 25 times before in game one and told the same thing last night

[Armando]

Tony Parker

[50 cent]

What will the Church of Manu do if Tony wins it?

[Armando]

What will the Church of Manu do if Tony wins it?


Yeah it must suck to settle for a ring instead of winning Finals MVP. :lol

[MadDog73]

Tim is awesome, the best player in the NBA today.

That said, right now I'm leaning towards Tony as MVP.

That's how good Tony is playing.

[td4mvp21]

Still Duncan. Parker has been just primarily a scorer over the past two games. Duncan's done everything the past two games. Score, rebound, create, and defend. He's still the MVP.

[romain.star]

to make it simple..

use this logic, as what has been posted here countless times before.

take tony out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

take tim out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

if u can take one out, who would u rather be in the game? tim or tony?

theres ur MVP

TD's has had a great all around performance last night, he put great numbers blablabla, he always does... but still... call me crazy if you wantt but last night, i would have pick tony over Timmy

[hater]

Parker is cementing his MVP status.

Even the Duncan fanatics gotta recognize

[ca®lo]

This is fucking stupid dumbass.

why because i didnt include ginobili ?

[ArgSpursFan]

why because i didnt include ginobili ?
you think the spurs could win without him?
25 PTS 6 RBS 3 STEALS

[ca®lo]

you think the spurs could win without him?

of course not. you think the spurs could win without the other 2?

ginobili is a very big part of what the spurs do but right now its between tim and tony.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

TP won't get MVP this time even if he plays like that. Same happened to Ginobili before. It's told Ginobili had the votes in 2005 or at least it was a tie 5-5. When it was decided the tie was to break, 1 of them changed its vote so the final was 6-4 in favor of Duncan. I thought they looked at it like a non-american didn't deserve the MVP. Everything tells me Duncan will get it and watch it: we don't know how well will TP play going forward, he usually plays well at home the first 2 games and steamrolls over opponents but then he gets flat on the road and they are able to stop him. Road games are Ginobili games. I guarantee you, if TP has a flat game at Cleveland all this talk will mean nothing. It has happened before.

[ArgSpursFan]

TP won't get MVP this time even if he plays like that. Same happened to Ginobili before. It's told Ginobili had the votes in 2005 or at least it was a tie 5-5. When it was decided the tie was to break, 1 of them changed its vote so the final was 6-4 in favor of Duncan. I thought they looked at it like a non-american didn't deserve the MVP. Everything tells me Duncan will get it and watch it: we don't know how well will TP play going forward, he usually plays well at home the first 2 games and steamrolls over opponents but then he gets flat on the road and they are able to stop him. Road games are Ginobili games. I guarantee you, if TP has a flat game at Cleveland all this talk will mean nothing. It has happened before.

TRUE.Manu allways has better games/stats on the road tham at home.

[ArgSpursFan]

of course not. you think the spurs could win without the other 2?

ginobili is a very big part of what the spurs do but right now its between tim and tony.

Of course not.But you were the one that didn´t include Ginobili.

[ca®lo]

you think the spurs could win without him?
25 PTS 6 RBS 3 STEALS

i understand ur homerism. basing on ur handle.

u really wouldnt want duncans stats posted now do you? or what he does to the team

who would u like to be next in the discussion? fabri?

[ca®lo]

Of course not.But you were the one that didn´t include Ginobili.

go and read what 90% of the posters on this thread are saying.

end of discussion.

[Jimcs50]

The MVP is not decided in 2 games

This thread is useless

[ArgSpursFan]

to make it simple..

use this logic, as what has been posted here countless times before.

take tony out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

take tim out of the game.. what happens to the spurs?

theres ur MVP

use this logic now.
Keep Tony and Timmy, and don´t play Manu.What happens to the spurs????????????

theres ur MVP now.(that´s why I said That your logic dont work like that)

BTW,I think SO FAR, tony deserves the MVP.but there´s a long way to go,and 3 though games in cleveland.Who ever shows up bigger on the road will most likely get the MVP.

[hater]

use this logic now.
Keep Tony and Timmy, and don´t play Manu.What happens to the spurs????????????


Spurs beat cavs w/out Manu.

I'll even take it one step further. Spurs still win w/out EITHER one of the big 3.

that's how bad the cavs are.

Still, Tony is playing the best out of our big 3. So he's MVP up to now

[ArgSpursFan]

Spurs beat cavs w/out Manu.

I'll even take it one step further. Spurs still win w/out EITHER one of the big 3.
that's how bad the cavs are.

Still, Tony is playing the best out of our big 3. So he's MVP up to now

yeah,the way the cavs are playing,they could lose to the spurs reserves lineup.

[Josepatches]

TD is the MVP of the team.We are in the Finals because Tim plays with our team.Without Parker or Manu we could be in the Finals too.

Anyways the numbers of Duncan right now are:
23.5 PT 11 REB 2.5 BLK and 4.5 ASSIST
Parker:
28.5 PT 4.5 ASSIST 4 REB

Only 2 games but IMO right now the MVP is TD.Defend is as important as offense.Tony is taking a lot of more shoots than any other player,more than 20 every game but I don't think that he will have more than 28PPG at the end of the series even if we win 4-0
And I don´t think Parker deserves that his name will be in the same list than Jordan,Olajuwon,Shaq,Thomas,Bird...but Cleveland isn't a hard team to beat so we are playing at 50% and we don't need the best of Tim like against the Suns.If anyone talk about Billups I have to say that IMO Billups was more important to the Pistons in 2004 because he was the leader of the team (Parker is not the leader of SA) and Detroit played against Lakers,and they were much better team than the Cavs never would be.

[hater]

We are in the Finals because Tim plays with our team.

That is correct. But the Finals MVP trophy considers ONLY finals performance. Where Tony is currently having a better finals performance than Tim.


Without Parker or Manu we could be in the Finals too.

I don't think so. We would not be in the finals without ALL 3 of our big 3.

[ducks]

spurs would not have beaten the suns if they did not have manu duncan and tp
unless the other 2 played greater then manu did in 2005

[MadDog73]

TD is the MVP of the team.We are in the Finals because Tim plays with our team.Without Parker or Manu we could be in the Finals too.



Without Parker and Manu we would have never gotten by PHX.

(LOL, posted this waaay to late).

[ArgSpursFan]

Without Parker and Manu we would have never gotten by PHX.

yeap.+I would include Bowen on that list too.
Spurs are a true TEAM.not a one man orchestra.

[MadDog73]

yeap.+I would include Bowen on that list too.
Spurs are a true TEAM.not a one man orchestra.


This is why I hate MVP discussions. Spurs don't have (IMO) a true MVP.

[mathbzh]

yeap.+I would include Bowen on that list too.
Spurs are a true TEAM.not a one man orchestra.

:clap
As I said
Spurs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron

[peskypesky]

It's still Tim. By a hair. Even though he has none at the moment.

[souriciergris]

The more this series will last the more likely Duncan will win the finals MVP because he is such a steady performer. I doubt that Parker can put up such numbers through 7 games.

I'm impressed by the way Parker played in game 2, I really thought that the Cavs could limit his production by making adjustments but he just ran circles around them :downspin:

[MajorMike]

At this point you would HAVE to say it is TP. Even Timmy's near triple-double last night was overshadowed by Tony. Timmy's D in this series has been insane, and Tony hasn't been too much of a defensive presence - because he hasn't had to.

However, if you remember 2005, when the series left SA everyone was already annointing Manu the MVP (and in the end he lost by 1 vote, if I recall).

I just wonder if the old-school voters will still give it to Mr Reliable over Tony? Will they factor in his great play on D as well?

If things go as they are, Tony wins. If Tony gets his numbers but Tim has ONE game with a monster 35-16-8-5 type night, he will win regardless.

[aaronstampler]

At this point you would HAVE to say it is TP. Even Timmy's near triple-double last night was overshadowed by Tony. Timmy's D in this series has been insane, and Tony hasn't been too much of a defensive presence - because he hasn't had to.

However, if you remember 2005, when the series left SA everyone was already annointing Manu the MVP (and in the end he lost by 1 vote, if I recall).

I just wonder if the old-school voters will still give it to Mr Reliable over Tony? Will they factor in his great play on D as well?

If things go as they are, Tony wins. If Tony gets his numbers but Tim has ONE game with a monster 35-16-8-5 type night, he will win regardless.


Tony has been pretty amazing offensively thus far, but it's worth noting that his +/- have been worse than one might expect both nights. This signals that his defense hasn't been all that great. He's probably lost a bit of that focus since he doesn't have to guard anyone great like he's had to for the first three rounds. But as far as the MVP voting goes, the voters will probably punish Tony for playing so well against a team that cannot match-up with him in any way. Tim is actually doing his damage against some talented people, plus the rebounding and defense, so he'll get the nod.

[tim_duncan_fan]

damn it give it to tim.

I agree.

Give it to TD damn it!

[WalterBenitez]

Give it to TP ... stop giving them to TD .. .he doesn't need it anymore... the little french and/or Manu

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Dude. I can't believe some people are considering TP for MVP. Not that he hasn't played good. He has been just fenomenal but take it for granted it will be TD with the MVP. Tony is taking advantage of the situation where the Cavs don't have anyone to match with him so he is having field days at work every night. I'm not sure how long he will be able to do this. He tends to lose it when not at home or when his shots don't fall in.

Let's break this down a little bit:

1. Potential TP's matchups

1. LeBrick - They don't have the luxury to put him on TP more than 15- 20 minutes a game without affecting his offense. He might be the only one fit enough to be in front of TP for a good deal of the game

2. Larry - He's been a non-factor the entire playoff runs due to injury. He had 0 pts on 0-5 last night playing on 1 leg. It's almost embarrasing. Talk about the petrified puppet story.

3. Snow - he doesn't have the quickness to be in front of him. Period.

4. Titties - Not really the defensive player we think of. He is young and maybe quick but without being an started and playing big big minutes you can't think of being a major contribution on stopping parker.

2. Shooting

It is clear Parker shots are falling down but I think it has a lot to do with 2 things: Pop asked of him exactly that and secondly he is not being covered the right way.

3. Paint

The Cavs bigs can't stop anyone let alone Parker. There's something wrong with Brown's strategy in containing parker at the paint. If you know your guards won't be able to stop him, you need to pack the paint area with bigs and let the perimeter shooters beat you. Right now everybody beats the cavs, inside and out. He needs to pick his poison and let Barry beat them. But if he doesn't stop Parker from taking layups anytime he wants then this is a no-brainer.

So these are major factors. This has been the easiest series by far for parker because they don't have a good guard they can sacrifice on parker.

This also speaks tons about how good the spurs are where they can have 1 single player (forward) playing defence the entire game without worrying about having numbers in the stat sheet. The other 4 beat you alone on offense. A neat oily machine.

Conclusion: too early to count Parker as MVP and I don't think he would get it anyway regardless of how great he can play. I don't think he will be able to repeat what he has done in cleveland either. Not to that degree at least.

[TPnumber1]

TP is the mvp actually.Look the votes on nba.com :clap

[TPnumber1]

Scout’s Take: Game 2
Posted Jun 12 2007 12:03AM

Parker's MVP Play

"I think Parker is so good, but, if you put another real good point guard in that situation, they’re going to excel as well because of the fact that, No. 1, the guy setting the screen is a perennial All-Star in Duncan. So you’re worried about him. He knows how to make himself open whether he’s rolling or popping. The other thing is when you put all those shooters on the floor spotting up, if your help defenders aren’t as ready to help or aren’t as readily available to help because they worry about their guy and want to stick to their guy a little longer, it makes that lane that much more open. The fact that matters is Tony Parker can beat people off the dribble and that’s exactly what he’s doing. He’s beating people off the dribble, the help is late, he’s able to finish at the rim and you can also see that he’s finishing with contact very well, which helps him. And then, if the help is there, he kicks it out to the corner for three point shots for Bruce Bowen, Ginobili, Brent Barry and Robert Horry. They’ve just got so many shooters. I definitely think at this point he’s the MVP of the series. I think you can very easily put Duncan in there when you look at his numbers, but Parker is what’s making them go. And Cleveland has no answer. I think you saw that last night, with the adjustment they tried to make, which was they put the defensive Eric Snow in the game. He did do a good job defensively, but offensively – and I love Eric Snow – you’re basically playing four on five, offensively, because he’ll pass up open shots and San Antonio really doesn’t have to guard him. So it’s kind of like pick your poison if you’re Cleveland: Do you really struggle at the offensive end, which you’ve been doing anyway, and put Eric Snow in the game to try and help defensively? Or – Larry Hughes can’t keep him in front, Daniel Gibson can’t keep him in front – those guys give them a little more offense, but then Parker’s living in the lane all night long."

[Warlord23]

Regarding TP's shooting % in this year's playoffs:

Last four road games, 39.1 percent (25-of-64)
Last four home games, 57.1 percent (40-of-70)

Let's hold off on Finals MVP discussions till he brings it on the road in this series.

[ArgSpursFan]

Regarding TP's shooting % in this year's playoffs:

Last four road games, 39.1 percent (25-of-64)
Last four home games, 57.1 percent (40-of-70)

Let's hold off on Finals MVP discussions till he brings it on the road in this series.

well said.Those road games will eather make it or brake it for both teams.If the cavs even or start leadind the series it will be so mentally important for them that could problably start the series all over again from ground zero.
But if the spurs can steal at least 1 game out of those 3 in cleveland,it will be just a matter of finish it at home in game 6.

[ducks]

and tp hits the big three not horry

[RiverwalkParade]

I'm thinking Parker has it in the bag right now. He, Bruce and Barry were the only bright spots of this game. He has shown up big this year and wants some hardware on the fireplace.

[Texas_Ranger]

TP is the mvp actually.Look the votes on nba.com :clap


Fuck that shit. There fans also said that Cavs will be the champs. :dizzy

[elcigala]

So because I'm german and dutch, I have to vote for Dirk and Elson? :pctoss

That would be funny.
And do the chinese vote for yao?
Was just saying I'm not into the tp vs manu thing, & I'd vote for tim.