I don't want to hear about TP being the MVP anymore

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I saw this one coming.

[SpursIndonesia]

Why ? I didn't see a thread titled "I don't want to hear about MANU being the MVP anymore" in 2005 Finals ?

[T Park]

Lead the team in scoring again.

So what did you see, that made you convinced he isn't

[ajh18]

Um, what did you see coming? Tony was our leading scorer, had 17pts, 5 reb, 3 ast, and shot a higher fg% than duncan did.

[Obstructed_View]

If it wasn't Bowen tonight, it had to be Parker.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Annnd hit the biggest shot of the night

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Parker is making a case for MVP as much as Manu was in 2005. Anyone that refuses to see that is blind

[Deb]

From both an offensive and defensive standpoint, I'd have to vote Bowen the MVP tonight so quit the bickering

[SpurOutofTownFan]

So you are one of those who think he is the MVP because he scores more than others? LOL

He shoots 20+ shots a game. More than anybody else in the team, even TD. Manu? Manu shoots about half of it each game. Game 2 he got 25 pts off 11 shots. If you don't give him the ball he just can't score as much.

Parker shot 7-17 tonight. Struggled. Manu shot 7 times and got the clutch 3 FTs.

I don't think it makes much sense to say somebody is the MVP because he scores more pts when he is the one taking more shots than anybody else.

He had 2 very good games at home, but he struggles on the road and he did before in previous years.

At the end of the day, TD will get it.

[LuvBones]

Tim better be MVP. Tony has been playing amazing but everyone knows Duncan is the Spurs core.

[ajh18]

Duncan shot 6-17 tonight. Other than Bowen, no one played well enough tonight to be considered a favorite for MVP any more than parker.

Now I actually think Tim should get it also, because of his defensive contributions. But the arguments being made her AGAINST parker are not all that strong.

[Kori Ellis]

Umm.. Tony played awesome today. The Cavs game plan was to triple team him and he still managed to lead the Spurs in scoring. And he should have had double-digit assists but the Spurs couldn't knock down shots for much of the game.

Lame ass thread.

[milkyway21]

my MVP is that big fella wearing # 21 Spurs jersey who created screens for his teammates who only played 33 minutes against 39 minutes of Parker due to foul trouble.

if he allowed another offensive rbd for that missed Varejao last minute shot in the 4Q we're through. :praise: that was one good defense Timmy!

[SpursIndonesia]

So what ? In the end of 2005 final, TD got the prize -deservedly so, yet i can see the case for Manu for the MVP.

[MI21]

That 3 was incredible.

Bowen was the MVP of this game. Duncan the overall MVP for the series so far. Parker the offensive MVP for the series so far.

TEAM

[violentkitten]

too many freedom fry eaters up in here

[T Park]

He shoots 20+ shots a game. More than anybody else in the team, even TD. Manu? Manu shoots about half of it each game. Game 2 he got 25 pts off 11 shots. If you don't give him the ball he just can't score as much.


a bitter ginobili fan.

Shocking.

[ginobili fan]

Umm.. Tony played awesome today. The Cavs game plan was to triple team him and he still managed to lead the Spurs in scoring. And he should have had double-digit assists but the Spurs couldn't knock down shots for much of the game.

Lame ass thread.

Kori are you a bball coach?
Because you seems to have a huge bball knowledge, not like some guys on this board...

[exstatic]

Umm.. Tony played awesome today. The Cavs game plan was to triple team him and he still managed to lead the Spurs in scoring. And he should have had double-digit assists but the Spurs couldn't knock down shots for much of the game.

Lame ass thread.
Werd. He was the best Spurs in the series before tonight, and he was the best Spur tonight.

Bury the hate.

[implacable44]

their game plan was not to triple team him - their game plan was to cut off the lane for tony and many - when parker had the ball on the perimeter he had one defender - daring him to shoot a jumper outside of 15 feet.

Duncan is the mvp = no duncan - no finals -
no parker - finals still a posibility

what I don't get is how can your point guard lead your team in field goal attempts which is contrary to being a point guard -- yet at the same time - not lead the team in scoring ?

[Dex]

Tony would have to make a DAMN STRONG case for himself just to wrest the MVP away from Tim by default, should the Spurs win.

That being said, so far I see the MVP going to Tony. And I think it would be a crime for Duncan NOT to get his 4th Finals MVP. But so far, Parker has earned it.

[Obstructed_View]

Funny how many times in the last seven or eight years that the whole Spurs offense has come grinding to a halt because teams make a conscious effort to limit Parker's penetration. Now he manages to perservere despite it and score in a low-scoring game the Spurs barely win and where Manu scores three whole points and people are still bad mouthing him. Wow.

[Borosai]

Parker has been amazing. Basically, he's becoming unstoppable, even when teams are focusing on him. Duncan is always the best player on the Spurs, and the reason why they win. But it doesn't necessarily mean he's always the best player in every series. If Parker has a huge game 4, and the Spurs win, I don't see why he wouldn't get it unless people feel an obligation to give it to Duncan.

Duncan is ALL-TIME GREATNESS, but it doesn't mean he has to be the MVP every time.

[SA210]

Bruce for MVP!!

[Slinkyman]

Major props need to go out to coach Chip, without him Tony isn't hitting those outside shots.

[ducks]

pop tells tp to shot 25 before games alot
he did in game 1
take that up with the coach not tp

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Omggggggggggg

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs went on a 10-0 run at the end of the second quarter to take the lead and steal all the momentum and enthusiasm from the crowd.

Who was on the bench during that run?

[TDMVPDPOY]

parker allows the other pg score as much as they want

and yes his APG sucks.

tim duncan ftw.

[duncan228]

My heart is with Duncan, to me nothing the Spurs do is possible without him.

But Parker has been playing out of his mind these three games.

I guess we wait and see. We get the fourth Title, that's what matters.

[exstatic]

Duncan is the mvp = no duncan - no finals -
no parker - finals still a posibility
This is the NBA Finals MVP - the BEST player in the Finals, not Spurs MVP. Everyone knows that Tim is the straw that stirs the drink, but the ball can be taken out of his hands, and there HAVE been times when no one stepped up. Parker is fucking stepping up.


BTW, Wade won the Finals MVP last year, but do you think they even SNIFF the Finals without Shaq in the post? Same fucking thing....

[implacable44]

no it isnt the same thing. Shaq could only play every two games last year -- he was useless unless rested and even then it was questionable. he took up space - he draws attention but D-Wade was the focus of their offense due to shaws conditioning .. TD is still top 3 player in the NBA - no way should the point guard have more shots for the entire season than Duncan - no way.

Duncan is still the best player in the finals.

[ducks]

The Spurs went on a 10-0 run at the end of the second quarter to take the lead and steal all the momentum and enthusiasm from the crowd.

Who was on the bench during that run?
:hat

[Creation88]

who cares! as long as we have the Larry O'Brien Trophy!

[violentkitten]

the cavs would be ahead in this series without parker and with some pedestrian point in his stead in the starting lineup. fuck the haters.

[Spurs rock]

I love Tony but I hope Duncan wins MVP.

[koopa]

i talk down on tony a lot but he's shut me up this finals series, sure he had a bad game but came through in the clutch, and tim and manu had shittier games........

i hope tim wins the mvp trophy just because he's humble

if tony wins it, his head is gonna get so big he might not even want to be in san antonio anymore..............

[Admidave50]

Are you Aaron in disguise?

Stop the hate, start to be a true Spurs fan!

[Obstructed_View]

One more win. I can't wait until who was MVP or which championship team is the best are our biggest problems.

[Kori Ellis]

parker allows the other pg score as much as they want

and yes his APG sucks.

tim duncan ftw.

The other point guard went 1-for-10 or something like that - dumbass.

[tim_duncan_fan]

TD 4 MVP...







And President!

[T Park]

:lol

the parker haters are stretching so far you can hear their ligaments snapping.

Christ haters, you guys are pathetic.

[DDS4]

who cares! as long as we have the Larry O'Brien Trophy!

2nd.

Some idiots just don't get it. They'll tear down a Spur to hype up another.

And it's not just the n00bs on the board either.

It's freakin' mind boggling.

[Udrihlooms]

Parker is definitely the MVP in this series. Why hate the guy? Sometimes there's a part of me that wants to split the big 3, just to see if we can get anything done, and stop these mindless bickerings of Tony vs. Manu. The world is full of idiots!

[SRJ]

what I don't get is how can your point guard lead your team in field goal attempts which is contrary to being a point guard -- yet at the same time - not lead the team in scoring ?

What I don't get is that there are fans that think there is ONE AND ONLY ONE way for a player to play his position.

Brad Miller and Eddy Curry play the same position.
Richard Hamilton and Jason Richardson play the same position.
Rashard Lewis and Corey Maggette play the same position.

Why should Tony Parker, who possesses a completely different skill-set than Steve Nash, be expected to play the position the same way Steve Nash does?

[MannyIsGod]

So far this is Parker's MVP to lose.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Tony is the MVP. He's been the best player in The Finals and he's hit the biggest shots, not to mention he leads the team in scoring.

[fred33]

parker allows the other pg score as much as they want

and yes his APG sucks.

tim duncan ftw. watch the stat parker allow less points fg percentage at other pg in front of chris paul

[mathbzh]

I consider Duncan as the MVP. Everything begin and end with him. But I am happy for TP he receives some MVP considerations. In these finals he is amazing if you don't see that you are blind. At the end of the day I still chose TD for what he bring us for such a long time. But on these last 3 games I think it is a draw.

[mathbzh]

One more think. The great news about Parker is that now, the haters must come out when he has a 17/3/5 night... it probably means Parker is becoming really good.

[ChumpDumper]

Tony probably has the votes now, but if Bowen keeps Lebron shooting 37%, he's my MVP, especially after this monster game.

[aaronstampler]

Why do I get shit on here when I haven't even written anything?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do I get shit on here when I haven't even written anything?Well, now you've just written something.

A+

[aaronstampler]

I don't think any of the big three played well today at all. We owe the win to Bowen, Barry, and the total incompetence of the Cavs. They missed a lot of open shots. We didn't play any better tonight than we did in Game 3 at Utah. Cleveland is just that much worse. Against any Western team, we get our hats handed to us tonight.

[aaronstampler]

The Spurs went on a 10-0 run at the end of the second quarter to take the lead and steal all the momentum and enthusiasm from the crowd.

Who was on the bench during that run?


This will get me in trouble here, but what the hell...

If you want to get into who's been the best player, that's one thing, but don't bring who's in and who's out and the runs or whatever into arguments, because it's a losing argument.

Tony has the worst +/- of the big three in this series.

Once again, I'm not saying he's played the worst. I'm just saying if you want to make Tony's case for MVP, don't do it that way.

[mathbzh]

I don't think any of the big three played well today at all. We owe the win to Bowen, Barry, and the total incompetence of the Cavs. They missed a lot of open shots. We didn't play any better tonight than we did in Game 3 at Utah. Cleveland is just that much worse. Against any Western team, we get our hats handed to us tonight.

I am with you this time aaron :toast
You are a diehard Manu fan and are sometime a bit partial. But you seems to have change your mind on Tony :clap
I don't consider you a hater anymore.

[aaronstampler]

Well, now you've just written something.

A+


It's really sad that Spurs fans can't be anywhere near as classy as Spurs players. We're in the damn finals with a 3-0 lead and it's not enough for people to enjoy the team and enjoy the win and be grateful of the position we're in. You have to celebrate the win by trying to degrade or upset your fellow fans, just because they have a different favorite player than you do.

Seriously, what is the point?

[ChumpDumper]

It's really sad that Spurs fans can't be anywhere near as classy as Spurs players. We're in the damn finals with a 3-0 lead and it's not enough for people to enjoy the team and enjoy the win and be grateful of the position we're in. You have to celebrate the win by trying to degrade or upset your fellow fans, just because they have a different favorite player than you do.

Seriously, what is the point?C-

[aaronstampler]

C-

Not an F+? How benevolent of you.

http://aol.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=42006&split=20&team=Spurs :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Can't you just enjoy the win?

F

[aaronstampler]

The win is fine. I don't like the bullshit putdowns afterwards.

[ChumpDumper]

That doesn't sound like enjoyment to me.

F

[aaronstampler]

Unfortunate for me then that God gave you the authority to decide such things. But yeah, really I'm as thrilled with a 75-72 win as I could possibly be expected to be. It's hard to even type right now with this erection.

[mathbzh]

Not an F+? How benevolent of you.

http://aol.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=42006&split=20&team=Spurs :toast
Aarggg you just proved that ranking player according to +/- is stupid.

[souriciergris]

I don't want to hear about TP being the MVP anymore

Did Duncan collected a triple double ? Did he destroyed the Cavs ? Did TP pulled a disappearing act 03 finals-style ? If something like that happened last night this thread title would be relevant.

But I watched the game and if the finals MVP would be a boxing contest between TP and Duncan I would consider round 3 a draw.

Stop the hate, just enjoy the win. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Unfortunate for me then that God gave you the authority to decide such things.F
But yeah, really I'm as thrilled with a 75-72 win as I could possibly be expected to be. It's hard to even type right now with this erection.D+

[aaronstampler]

Aarggg you just proved that ranking player according to +/- is stupid.

Why? It's not a one on one game. All the stat measures is how you function within a group.

[mathbzh]

Why? It's not a one on one game. All the stat measures is how you function within a group.
Simple answer:
When is Bowen on the floor? When Lebron is!

This ranking depend on the lineup you face up. You can check the +/- for all teams if you want. It is almost always leaded by a bench player.
I don't say the stat is meaningless. It can be an interesting indicator but it don't give you a player ranking.

[mathbzh]

It is almost always leaded by a bench player.

Actually I should say often. Half of the top rated are team leaders.

[aaronstampler]

The top three in +/- this year were 1) Duncan 2) Nash 3) Nowitzki.

Show me the bench player.

Marion was fourth. Bruce was fifth.

In the playoffs it's 1) Billups 2) Prince 3) 'Sheed.

For the Spurs it's 1) Fab 2) Tony 3) Manu.

I think maybe game to game you can always find faults with the stat, like you can with any stat, but over the long haul it holds up pretty well.

[aaronstampler]

Simple answer:
When is Bowen on the floor? When Lebron is!

This ranking depend on the lineup you face up. You can check the +/- for all teams if you want. It is almost always leaded by a bench player.
I don't say the stat is meaningless. It can be an interesting indicator but it don't give you a player ranking.


I never said it gives you a player ranking. I find PER more useful for that. But +/- punishes bench players rather than helps them. The less minutes you play, the less time you have to accumulate a high + total.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd vote for Duncan as MVP. But, Parker and Bowen (and others) are great too.

But who give a fuck about a meaningless trophy anyway.

Spurs are about to win a Title. The Team got them in this position.

[colargol]

As a French Spurs fan i'm surprise there's so many TP haters....Tony his now doing what the haters were waiting for and they still complaining. Enjoy, as real Spurs fan, that you have another player than TD who deserve the final MVP...as you did for Manu in 2005...
For the Manu lovers he had a bad game that's it!!
He made some FT at the end...
I can't imagine the TP haters if Tony was the one missing a FT with 10 second left giving a chance to the Cavaliers to go to the OT...
The team is great...."They live as a team and die as a team"

[mathbzh]

Just to start :
This is our best 5 yesterday.
R. Horry
B. Barry
M. Ginobili
T. Parker
F. Oberto
Let play this five for 30 minutes and see what happens.

Your ranking works because you are looking at top teams (the ones with the best starting five, supposed to outscore oponent starting five). Check this also for losing teams.

My feeling :
+/- tell you how good is your starting 5 and how good is your bench. But it doesn't tell you if a player is better than another.

It is still an interesting tool. It shows clearly that Manu is great coming of the Bench. But if you say Barry (+7) had a better game than Bowen (-3) you clearly don't use this tool correctly.

[pppp]

I learnt to deal with the fact that the TP haterz will never acknowledge the guy and all but damn...this has to be a new record :

- up 3-0 in teh Finals
- 3 good games from Tp (2 great ones)
- big shots LATE in the clutch
- etc...

and the first thing that comes to your mind is to create threads like this ???? WTF????

I don't even give a shit about finals mvp ! what matters is winning the title !

Can't you people just enjoy the win and the position we're in ???

[mathbzh]

I never said it gives you a player ranking. I find PER more useful for that. But +/- punishes bench players rather than helps them. The less minutes you play, the less time you have to accumulate a high + total.
I agree with you on that. I didn't see it before posting the answer above (except it helps when your team has a losing record).

[aaronstampler]

There are different ways of evaluating players. You can measure them individually, you can measure how they fit in a team concept, how they play offense, defense, in the clutch, per 48 minutes, etc... No one way to look at a player will ever tell you the whole story because every stat has its flaws.

The only reason I brought up the +/- thing today is it bothers me like crazy when Spurs fans use points as the sole measure of whether a guy played well or poorly. They don't look at any other facet of the game and it's like such a dinosaur way of looking at the game it drives me nuts.

You're right, Bruce was probably our best player today, and he scored 13 points, a great number for him, but not an overwhelming amount. Horry was probably our best player in Game 2, and he only had 5 points. For some reason casual fans can accept that a role player can contribute without setting the world on fire, but for our big three, the rules don't work that way. I will never understand this. If Horry or Barry or Bruce can "have a good game" without scoring a lot, than why can't Tim or Manu or Tony? It makes no sense to me.

Personally, I thought the most dominant half Tony had the whole year was the 1st half he played against the Clippers in some game this year. He only took one shot, but he had 12 assists and our team had 63 points in the half. He was the best player on the floor and had the Clips at his mercy.

[mathbzh]

There are different ways of evaluating players. You can measure them individually, you can measure how they fit in a team concept, how they play offense, defense, in the clutch, per 48 minutes, etc... No one way to look at a player will ever tell you the whole story because every stat has its flaws.

The only reason I brought up the +/- thing today is it bothers me like crazy when Spurs fans use points as the sole measure of whether a guy played well or poorly. They don't look at any other facet of the game and it's like such a dinosaur way of looking at the game it drives me nuts.

You're right, Bruce was probably our best player today, and he scored 13 points, a great number for him, but not an overwhelming amount. Horry was probably our best player in Game 2, and he only had 5 points. For some reason casual fans can accept that a role player can contribute without setting the world on fire, but for our big three, the rules don't work that way. I will never understand this. If Horry or Barry or Bruce can "have a good game" without scoring a lot, than why can't Tim or Manu or Tony? It makes no sense to me.

Personally, I thought the most dominant half Tony had the whole year was the 1st half he played against the Clippers in some game this year. He only took one shot, but he had 12 assists and our team had 63 points in the half. He was the best player on the floor and had the Clips at his mercy.

:clap
100% agree

And because this thread is about Tony. I believe he is valuable on this serie not because he is our leading scorer but because the cavs don't have any answer to him. If they want to stop him they need to let space to our other players. This is the type of impact Tim has in the paint.

I stop here because I really don't mind who will be our MVP.

In ten years when we will talk about this team all we will remember is:
This was our 4th title (hopefuly) in Tim Duncan era.

[SRJ]

On the other hand, it seems like some hoopheads are undervaluing points, as if scoring points is the easiest thing to do during a game. Points were goddamn hard to come by tonight, and if Cleveland possessed more scoring threats, they would have made hay during the Spurs' long scoreless drought.

The 2007 Cavaliers remind me of the 2002 Spurs in that their team MVP has very little scoring help beside him. The 2002 Spurs lost in five games to the champions.

[black/silver rook]

Unless TD has another monster close out game (which is probable), Tony should get co MVP with Tim. Spurs 2007 (TEAM is EVERYTHING!)

[aaronstampler]

They used to not automatically give the Finals MVP to the team's best player (remember Worthy winning one for the Lakers and Dumars getting one for the Pistons?) but they stopped that practice about fifteen years ago.

I'm probably the wrong guy to ask about Finals MVPs, I was naive enough to think Rodman had a shot of winning it for the Bulls in 96. To this day I think he was their best player in Games 2 and 6.

[aaronstampler]

Unless TD has another monster close out game (which is probable), Tony should get co MVP with Tim. Spurs 2007 (TEAM is EVERYTHING!)


Co-MVP is difficult to pull off without a conspiracy. There are 14 votes, I believe, so getting it exactly 7-7 is tricky.

[TPnumber1]

tony is the MVP that's all

sorry for tp's haters :clap

1 match and tony will be :fro

[milkyway21]

Re: I don't want to hear about TP being the MVP anymore

If I live in the U.S. and I have someone else besides Tony to win MVP I'd vote here:
http://www.nba.com/finals2007/news/mvp.html


So they can hear me. :wakeup

GO! GO! DUNCAN! :oops

[timvp]

This might be the dumbest thread in SpursTalk history. I don't think Parker should be MVP but this game didn't hurt him.

The thing I hate most about Manu apologists is that they can't even be happy with a Spurs win unless Manu does well. And if the Spurs by chance win when he has an off game, we get flooded with the type of lame ass posts that reside in this thread.

[Magic_Johnson]

Parker has been amazing. Basically, he's becoming unstoppable, even when teams are focusing on him. Duncan is always the best player on the Spurs, and the reason why they win. But it doesn't necessarily mean he's always the best player in every series. If Parker has a huge game 4, and the Spurs win, I don't see why he wouldn't get it unless people feel an obligation to give it to Duncan.

Duncan is ALL-TIME GREATNESS, but it doesn't mean he has to be the MVP every time.

well said :clap

[colargol]

This might be the dumbest thread in SpursTalk history. I don't think Parker should be MVP but this game didn't hurt him.

The thing I hate most about Manu apologists is that they can't even be happy with a Spurs win unless Manu does well. And if the Spurs by chance win when he has an off game, we get flooded with the type of lame ass posts that reside in this thread.

:clap :clap :clap

[romain.star]

This might be the dumbest thread in SpursTalk history. I don't think Parker should be MVP but this game didn't hurt him.

The thing I hate most about Manu apologists is that they can't even be happy with a Spurs win unless Manu does well. And if the Spurs by chance win when he has an off game, we get flooded with the type of lame ass posts that reside in this thread.


that one is for you aaron...

[timvp]

that one is for you aaron...

:lol

Naw it wasn't not directed at any one person. I didn't even really look at who posted what. The only thing dumber than this thread would be intently reading this thread.

[samikeyp]

This might be the dumbest thread in SpursTalk history.

Agreed.

All that matters is the big trophy.

[Oberto #1 Fan]

got to go with Duncan, he makes things happen, even though he inexplicably misses a lot of shots he usually makes automatically.

[Obstructed_View]

This will get me in trouble here, but what the hell...

If you want to get into who's been the best player, that's one thing, but don't bring who's in and who's out and the runs or whatever into arguments, because it's a losing argument.

Tony has the worst +/- of the big three in this series.

Once again, I'm not saying he's played the worst. I'm just saying if you want to make Tony's case for MVP, don't do it that way.
It has nothing to do with plus minus through the series, it has to do with what that 10-0 run at the end of the half meant to the game. It completely destroyed the momentun of the crowd, and rather than being able to celebrate through halftime they had to sit there and process that their team played well and was still down. That's due to Tony Parker. Doesn't mean Timmy isn't great. It just means Tony did it with Timmy on the bench. That has to count for something. Everyone points to Tony's stats as a reason that he sucks or that he doesn't deserve the MVP. It's funny that the Spurs seem to struggle in the playoffs when Parker does.

[50 cent]

I didn't read this thread but I'm getting really fucking sick of the Manu fans that spew constant hatred for all things Tony.

Get over yourselves and realize this isn't Tony vs. Manu.

It's really pathetic.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm annoyed how any discussion of why one player should be the player of the game results in people tearing down the performances of that guy's teammates. After a win.

[MadDog73]

Can you imagine the threads if we had lost? :wtf

[Obstructed_View]

Everyone subjected to that game lost...

[ginobili fan]

I learnt to deal with the fact that the TP haterz will never acknowledge the guy and all but damn...this has to be a new record :

- up 3-0 in teh Finals
- 3 good games from Tp (2 great ones)
- big shots LATE in the clutch
- etc...

and the first thing that comes to your mind is to create threads like this ???? WTF????

I don't even give a shit about finals mvp ! what matters is winning the title !

Can't you people just enjoy the win and the position we're in ???

+1 :clap

[ginobili fan]

Anyway Spurs fans have to admit that they are spoiled as hell.
Just crazy...their team is gonna win a 4th title and all they can say is that TP doesn't deserve blablabla....And people don't realize that it's hard and good to have 3 almost superstars in one team and who aren't selfish like bryant,...
Enjoy the few years left to this dynasty...

[Kori Ellis]

Co-MVP is difficult to pull off without a conspiracy. There are 14 votes, I believe, so getting it exactly 7-7 is tricky.

Actually there's 10 votes. In 2005, the vote was 6-4 in favor of Timmy over Manu.

[WalterBenitez]

give the mvp to the little french ... i'd love mvp to him ... I think TD has 3 ... what is enough

If I had to vote ... I'll go with TP ... later Bruce Bowen (without him we never could stoped LBJ).

TD is always the most deserved ...

[J.T.]

I almost hope all of the starters have their powers stolen from them like in Space Jam and Manu scores over 90 on 100% shooting and 60 FTA just to make everyone who is making a huge deal out of who gets MVP that much more indecisive and pissed at each other.

[ArgSpursFan]

The thing I hate most about Manu apologists is that they can't even be happy with a Spurs win unless Manu does well.

I have to admit that I wasn´t happy with the spurs win in game 3,but I think that what I hated the most about that game is that I realized that there´s not excitement in these finals for me.I don´t see the cavs as contenders for the spurs and tonight It will be over.
Manu having an off night doesn´t disturb me as much as It does disturb me to watch the spurs play so badly and still win.
I wish the Pistons were playing these finals,So we all could get a just a little excited to be playing vs. a title contender.

[smeagol]

Tony cannot win the MVP award. He is not passing enough the ball to Manu.

[SAGambler]

Not sure either why some have to knock one player on the team, to help prop up another.

Here's the news flash. The MVP right now, is Tonys to lose.

Perhaps you haven't heard all the announcers proping up Tony for MVP? Thats usually a pretty damn good indicator that he is leading the vote.

But who really cares who wins MVP, as long as that trophy comes home with them?

Just as a case can be made that Tim should always be Finals MVP, I think a case can be easily made that Bowen is deserving of it, and certainly a very good case can be made that Tony is now the little engine that could that makes this team go.

What impresses me about Tony is that he has worked hard on his game, and has gotten better every year. I remember the days when Tony disappeared in the playoffs. That's not the case any longer.

And if anyone would notice, the question being asked is not "What do you do to stop Duncan", the question being asked is "How do you keep Parker from living in the paint". Just as many claim that without Duncan drawing the double team, that Tony wouldn't have the opportunities, a case can be made that without Tony continually probing the lane and drawing in the defenders, Duncan wouldn't get so many easy shots, nor would we be able to set other shooters out above the arc like we do for those wide open threes.

Sure it would be nice for Duncan to win his 4th. It would also be nice to see that others have contributed as much as Duncan.

My personal favorite right now is Bruce. Never has a player done such a superb job, and yet denied any individual awards than Bruce. Do you think Ben Wallace or Marcus Camby could guard a Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, or in this case a Lebron James and take them out of their comfort zone? Yet they always end up getting more votes for DPOY than Bruce.

In fact, I think maybe if I were Tim or Tony, I might be lobbying for Bruce to receive the MVP of this Finals series. If Bruce wasn't manning up and making James uncomfortable shooting, this series could be an entirely different story right now.

But let's just sit back and watch THE TEAM bring the tophy home, and enjoy the parade and party when it's all over. 20 years from now, no one will remember or care who won the MVP award at the end of the series, only that the Spurs won their 4th, and are the dominant team in the West.