(sigh) Kobe Bryant YET AGAIN Demands to Be Traded

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Source: Bryant tells Buss that he wants out
In a meeting in Spain, the Lakers star voices concerns to owner about team's direction.

By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer
June 16, 2007

Jerry Buss met with his unhappy $88.6-million employee, Kobe Bryant, for a get-together Friday between owner and superstar in the somewhat surprising setting of Spain.

They had spoken by phone two weeks ago, a few days after Bryant asked to be traded, but this was a longer, more emotional conversation.

Buss wanted to appeal to the nine-time All-Star, reminding him that trades take time to develop and that winning remains the focus of the organization, but Bryant voiced concerns about the direction of the franchise and reiterated his demand to be traded, said a source with knowledge of the situation.

"That's the message that came out of it," the source said.

Team sources vehemently insisted there were no plans to trade Bryant, and they were still hopeful that a peaceful solution could be reached. Bryant and Buss are expected to resume their dialogue in the near future.

Bryant's displeasure has grown steadily since the Lakers were eliminated by Phoenix last month in the first round of the playoffs. The Lakers are 121-125 since reaching the NBA Finals in 2004, not including their first-round exits the last two seasons.

Last month, Bryant publicly requested that Jerry West return to the team's front office — an unlikely scenario — and urged General Manager Mitch Kupchak to make trades that would steer the team in a winning direction.

"I'm still frustrated," Bryant said at the time. "I'm waiting for them to make some changes."

The Lakers have contacted numerous teams, but there have not been any blockbuster deals yet — by them or by any other team in the league.

Talks with the Indiana Pacers for six-time All-Star forward-center Jermaine O'Neal have stalled because the Lakers do not want to give up both Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to get O'Neal.

Trade talks around the league are expected to heat up as the June 28 draft approaches and could continue into the free-agent period that begins July 1.

Bryant was vacationing in Spain and stopped by to see a practice session of his favorite soccer team, FC Barcelona, on Thursday. Buss had been in China since leaving the U.S. more than two weeks ago. He planned to travel to London before returning to Los Angeles, although it was unclear whether he went to Spain specifically to talk to Bryant.

"What they talked about and what went on between Kobe and Dr. Buss is private and will remain between the two of them," Lakers spokesman John Black said.

Bryant's agent, Rob Pelinka, did not return calls seeking comment.

Bryant, who will be 29 in August, has four years left on his contract, but he can void it in two years.

The two-time scoring champion, widely acknowledged as the game's most dynamic player, has the NBA's top-selling jersey and is a significant draw at Staples Center. The Lakers are very cognizant of his importance in driving ticket sales, as well as his effect on corporate sponsors.

Buss, who signed off on Bryant's seven-year, $136.4-million contract in July 2004, released a statement two weeks ago in which he said, "We will continue to pursue every avenue possible to improve our team with him as the cornerstone."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers16jun16,1,5517678.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

[lurker]

I miss him calling radio stations every time he had a thought. Kobe's Mental Breakdown '07 was entertainment.

[itzsoweezee]

Bryant, who will be 29 in August, has four years left on his contract, but he can void it in two years.



damn, i had no idea he was that old.

[spursfan09]

Hopefully he gets traded to China or somewhere far.

[Capt Bringdown]

Seems to me that he's haunted and childishly jealous of the Spur's success. Wasn't it right after the Spurs beat the Suns and were heading to the finals that he first made his demands?

Now the Spurs have won the title, and it's another pathetic, almost creepy attempt to steal the spotlight.

[kontrolheat]

Chris sherdian said he could be heading to the knicks

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Chris sherdian said he could be heading to the knicks

What would the Knicks have that The Lakers would take?

[K-State Spur]

Chris Sheridan has been shouting that into the wind since Day 1. I'm not buying it.

The Lakers don't have to trade him. He has threatened to sit out the season yet. And even if he did, I'm not sure that the Lakers wouldn't rather watch him sit than take whatever crappy offer the Knicks can muster.

[Medvedenko]

I don't believe he'll sit out the season...still Kobe to the bulls for Deng, Wallace, Gordon and the 9th pick is pretty good. I still love Kobe, but you aren't going to get a better deal than that...still I'm sure Mitch will trade Kobe for some ankle tape and David Lee from the Knicks. I don't know what to think about all of this...my loyalty is with the Lakers, but Kobe's being a jerk, but then again the HO is full of ignorance as well....time will tell. I like JO, Odom and Kobe if that works out in LA.

[dallaskd]

Hes not going anywhere.

[confined]

Seems to me that he's haunted and childishly jealous of the Spur's success. Wasn't it right after the Spurs beat the Suns and were heading to the finals that he first made his demands?

Now the Spurs have won the title, and it's another pathetic, almost creepy attempt to steal the spotlight.
what spotlight? :sleep

[Fillmoe]

What would the Knicks have that The Lakers would take?


david lee

nate robinson

balkman

believe it or not the knicks have alot of young talent.....

[confined]

david lee

nate robinson

balkman

believe it or not the knicks have alot of young talent.....
david lee i can agree with...the other 2? Not so much...

[ducks]

those scrubs do do not make what kobe makes

[Marcus Bryant]

It's odd how Bryant blew up a championship level team, then complains that the Lakers haven't done enough to surround him with talent to be a contender again. Somewhere, Shaq smiles as he looks out across the Atlantic.

[confined]

It's odd how Bryant blew up a championship level team, then complains that the Lakers haven't done enough to surround him with talent to be a contender again. Somewhere, Shaq smiles as he looks out across the Atlantic.
:dramaquee

[spurscenter]

Kobe in the east will be Finals for him.

He and Marbury in the backcourt would be crazy.

He and Bulls would be pointelss since the bulls will loose the whole team to get him. It would be worse than current Lakers but its the east so it might be btter for him

[Craig]

what spotlight? :sleep

8th seed.

[td4mvp3]

I don't believe he'll sit out the season...still Kobe to the bulls for Deng, Wallace, Gordon and the 9th pick is pretty good. I still love Kobe, but you aren't going to get a better deal than that...still I'm sure Mitch will trade Kobe for some ankle tape and David Lee from the Knicks. I don't know what to think about all of this...my loyalty is with the Lakers, but Kobe's being a jerk, but then again the HO is full of ignorance as well....time will tell. I like JO, Odom and Kobe if that works out in LA.
why the hell would the bulls do that? kobe's hitting 30, showing signs of mental fragility, needs the ball without necessarily improving his teammates, and is complaining about a team that would be pretty on par with what would be left of the bulls if such a trade happened.

[dallaskd]

The Bulls have the 9th pick. Hold on to it Chicago. They could very powerful unless the get stupid and get the Kobe fever. dont do it chicago!

[J.T.]

can chicago afford kobe's contract + that assload of cash they signed ben wallace for? even if they unload 3 guys will they have enough?

[Findog]

Seems to me that he's haunted and childishly jealous of the Spur's success. Wasn't it right after the Spurs beat the Suns and were heading to the finals that he first made his demands?

Now the Spurs have won the title, and it's another pathetic, almost creepy attempt to steal the spotlight.

Yes, it's all about the Spurs. Everything is about the Spurs.

[PM5K]

I wouldn't trade him, I'd let him sit if he didn't want to play....

[Lp26]

Deng, Gordon, Wallace, and the #9 sounds good to me for Kobe.

Do it CHI!!

[timvp]

Kobe is just trying to cement his place as the most overrated player in NBA history.

[Strike]

It's odd how Bryant blew up a championship level team, then complains that the Lakers haven't done enough to surround him with talent to be a contender again. Somewhere, Shaq smiles as he looks out across the Atlantic.

The Atlantic? Isn't that where Shaq's big ass bathes? Dude can't fit in a bathtub.

[Strike]

Yes, it's all about the Spurs. Everything is about the Spurs.

Well DUH! It's obviously not about the Mavs!
Unless we're talking about Chokefest '07

[freedom&justice]

Kobe = :dramaquee

[traitoravery]

Kobe has female tendencies = a bitch

[lefty]

All the talk is about the Spurs, so Kobe needs more attention ; he doesn't deserve to wear a Laker jersey ; Kareem, West, Magic, etc.... were fantastic players, great teammates.... Kobe is an $%*!

By the way, I read somewhere that one of his former bodyguards is releasing a book about Kobe and his infidelities.

[freedom&justice]

All the talk is about the Spurs, so Kobe needs more attention ; he doesn't deserve to wear a Laker jersey ; Kareem, West, Magic, etc.... were fantastic players, great teammates.... Kobe is an $%*!

By the way, I read somewhere that one of his former bodyguards is releasing a book about Kobe and his infidelities.

If that's true, Kobe si D e a d M e a t.

[freedom&justice]

Kobe posts on his Web site about rift growing between himself, Lakers
Associated Press

Updated: June 17, 2007, 4:57 PM ET

LOS ANGELES -- Kobe Bryant posted a message on his Web page Sunday strongly suggesting the superstar wanted to be traded from the Lakers.

"When you love something as much as I love the Lakers its [sic] hard to even imagine thinking about being elsewhere," he wrote on his Web site, kb24.com. "But, the ONE THING I will never sacrifice when it comes to basketball is WINNING."

The two-time scoring champion also wrote: "The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future."

The 28-year-old nine-time All Star has four years left on his contract, but can terminate it following the 2008-09 season.

Bryant last month voiced frustration at Lakers management and publicly requested he be traded after the team was eliminated by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs.

Though he said nothing could change his mind, Bryant later backed off after speaking with coach Phil Jackson.

"I don't want to go anywhere -- this is my team," Bryant told KLAC radio at the time. "I love it here. I called Phil, man. He and I talked; it was an emotional conversation. But he just said, 'You know what, Kobe? Let us try to figure this thing out."'

The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future.

But Sunday's post was a not-so-subtle hint that tension remained between Bryant and the franchise. - Ya think? Bryant wrote that the Lakers, owned by Jerry Buss, had not backed him with players the team needs to win championships.

"The Lakers are pursuing a longer-term plan that is different from what Dr. Buss shared with me at the time I re-signed as a free agent," he wrote. "I have seen that plan unfold for the last three years and watched great trade opportunities come and go, and have seen free agents passed on. That has led to the Lakers not winning a playoff series."

Buss' spokesman Bob Steiner and Lakers spokesman John Black both declined comment Sunday.

Buss, who signed off on Bryant's seven-year $136.4 million contract in 2004, two weeks ago issued a statement stating, "We will continue to pursue every avenue possible to improve our team with him as the cornerstone."

Bryant earned $17.72 million last season and will earn $88.6 million over the next four years. He is considered one of the NBA's most dominant players and a top draw at the Staples Center.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2907154

:dizzy

[resistanze]

Anthony Parker
Salary: $4,150,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 12.4 REB: 3.9 AST: 2.1 PER: 14.52

T.J. Ford
Salary: $2,929,467 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 14.0 REB: 3.1 AST: 7.9 PER: 18.30

Rasho Nesterovic
Salary: $7,280,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 6.2 REB: 4.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 13.

FOR

Kobe Bryant
Salary: $17,718,750 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 31.6 REB: 5.7 AST: 5.4 PER: 26.13

JULY 1ST

1.

[Switchman]

Lebron is already more of a leader than Kobe da Kancer will ever be.

[Findog]

Well DUH! It's obviously not about the Mavs!
Unless we're talking about Chokefest '07

You guys coughed up a 3 point lead with 30 seconds to go in Game 7 against us, you coughed up a 2-0 lead to the Lakers in 2004. Avery wants us to emulate the Spurs but we went a little too far. What can we say, we learned from the Master.

[Johnny RIngo]

You guys coughed up a 3 point lead with 30 seconds to go in Game 7 against us, you coughed up a 2-0 lead to the Lakers in 2004. Avery wants us to emulate the Spurs but we went a little too far. What can we say, we learned from the Master.

Too bad you couldn't emulate those 4 championships.

[Findog]

Too bad you couldn't emulate those 4 championships.

Our window hasn't closed Kreskin.

[Money316]

Yes, it's all about the Spurs. Everything is about the Spurs.
Seen the light have you my young Padawan?

http://www.the-planets.com/star-biography/yoda_biography.jpg

[Kamnik]

Kobe is just trying to cement his place as the most overrated player in NBA history.

amen

[spurscenter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAT1U7kpEqM

[Medvedenko]

All credit goes to drzucchini (Star Player) for digging up these quotes. drzucchini posted them in a reply on another thread (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=43476), but given the uproar by haters over Kobe's public comments, it's a worthwhile reminder that leaders sometimes have to go public with their criticisms and concerns to affect change and inspire excellence.

If you have a problem with Kobe calling out the organization and the quality of his teammates, you must have had a serious problem with Michael Jordan:

"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box

"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

"Give me the ******* ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."


"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue

"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"

"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)

Again, credit goes to the mighty drzucchini for dredging this quotes. I just wanted to make sure they got the prominence they deserve, as opposed to being overlooked as a reply on another thread.

For all you MJ lovers that never saw him play...or god forbid looked at the newspapers during those early times prior to them winning.....Imagine the internet back then...

[bdubya]

Deng, Gordon, Wallace, and the #9 sounds good to me for Kobe.

Do it CHI!!

YEAH! :tu

Take the most dangerous young team in the east right off the board. Sounds good to me.

[LakeShow]

For all you MJ lovers that never saw him play...or god forbid looked at the newspapers during those early times prior to them winning.....Imagine the internet back then...

Out of all the great games that stand out in my memory of jordan, the time when he cussed out pippen for not passing the ball to him on a made basket really stands out! Now that showed an all about me attitude. IMO

[LakeShow]

BTW, kobe removed the article.

[Johnny RIngo]

For all you MJ lovers that never saw him play...or god forbid looked at the newspapers during those early times prior to them winning.....Imagine the internet back then...

Don't forget the gambling debts that forced his first retirement. While MJ is still the GOAT the NBA's done a lot to promote his clean, perfect image in the eyes of the world.

[Bear Grylls]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8057/finleyoc8.jpg

[Johnny RIngo]

Kobe to Dallas? At least that gives the Mavs a real leader for once.

[Findog]

Kobe to Dallas? At least that gives the Mavs a real leader for once.

Finley and Nash weren't leaders? Dirk's not a leader?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1278/567468012_cf82e9bc6b.jpg

So Dallas is the only team in NBA History to ever give up a lead?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240515013

http://www.nba.com/games/20060522/DALSAS/recap.html

[monosylab1k]

Dirk's not a leader?

You'd have to ask Baron Davis that.

[monosylab1k]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8057/finleyoc8.jpg

It'll never happen. Too bad.

[Findog]

You'd have to ask Baron Davis that.

Did he guard B-Diddy? Is it his fault Davis had the series of his life? Why do people keep piling on Dirk? He played crappy, we lost. Avery coached a crappy series. Terry couldn't make a shot to save his life or keep Davis in front of him. When he wasn't in foul trouble, Devin couldn't keep Davis in front of him. We lost that series as a team. Dirk came up short, but I'm not gonna make sweeping judgments about a guy that is 5-0 in series-deciding games, has led a team to the Finals and is one of the top 5 players in the League. I take a guy's entire body of work into account, not just the moments he's come up short.

[monosylab1k]

Did he guard Sabonis? Is it his fault Rasheed Wallace had the series of his life? Why do people keep piling on Karl Malone? He played crappy, we lost. Sloan coached a crappy series. Hornacek couldn't make a shot to save his life or keep Damon Stoudamire in front of him. When he wasn't in foul trouble, Stockton couldn't keep Stoudamire in front of him. We lost that series as a team. Karl came up short, but I'm not gonna make sweeping judgments about a guy that has led a team to the Finals and is one of the top 5 players in the League. I take a guy's entire body of work into account, not just the moments he's come up short.

[Findog]

So Karl Malone was a scrub? It's some sort of insult to compare Dirk to Malone? Malone and Stockton were like a lot of guys, shut out of a title because of MJ. They were a championship-caliber team.

[monosylab1k]

So Karl Malone was a scrub? It's some sort of insult to compare Dirk to Malone? Malone and Stockton were like a lot of guys, shut out of a title because of MJ. They were a championship-caliber team.

Well I guess if our aspirations are to become one of the greatest teams to never win a title, the Malone comparison is flattering. The Jazz had plenty of non-Jordan years where they had great opportunities at winning a title and they choked them away.

I just want this team to win one. I'd love to believe that Dirk is capable of leading a team to a title, but right now he's only shown flashes of that leadership, not a consistency with it.

[Findog]

Well I guess if our aspirations are to become one of the greatest teams to never win a title, the Malone comparison is flattering. The Jazz had plenty of non-Jordan years where they had great opportunities at winning a title and they choked them away.

I just want this team to win one. I'd love to believe that Dirk is capable of leading a team to a title, but right now he's only shown flashes of that leadership, not a consistency with it.

More than any other player or coach on the roster, we have a rich owner committed to winning and as passionate as any diehard Reunion Rowdie. Most owners are content to just turn a profit. I don't have any doubt Cuban is going to hoist the trophy one day. Whether it's with Dirk as the centerpiece, I don't know, but this team is a lot closer to a title than it was in 2000.

[thispego]

Did he guard B-Diddy? Is it his fault Davis had the series of his life? Why do people keep piling on Dirk? He played crappy, we lost. Avery coached a crappy series. Terry couldn't make a shot to save his life or keep Davis in front of him. When he wasn't in foul trouble, Devin couldn't keep Davis in front of him. We lost that series as a team. Dirk came up short, but I'm not gonna make sweeping judgments about a guy that is 5-0 in series-deciding games, has led a team to the Finals and is one of the top 5 players in the League. I take a guy's entire body of work into account, not just the moments he's come up short.
sorry, but dirk is not one of the top 5 in the league.

[Findog]

sorry, but dirk is not one of the top 5 in the league.

Who do you have in front of him?

By my count, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, > Dirk.

[monosylab1k]

Who do you have in front of him?

By my count, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, > Dirk.

Well here's the official list according to Spurs fans.

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Bowen
5. Finley
6. Horry
7. Barry
8. Vaughn
9. Oberto
10. Elson
11. Bonner
12. White
13. Ely
14. Udrih
15. Butler
16. Scola
17. Sean Elliot could still suit up and own
18. same with D-Rob
19. Popovich in a throwback
20. Hurricane Popovich
21. Popovich driving the team bus at the Indy 500
22. Stephen Jackson
23. Polish Sausage
24. Chimichanga
25. Shiner
26. More Food
27. Nick Van Exel - all 250 pounds of him in the glorious silver and black (is it a shock that he got fat in San Antonio?)
28. Cadillac Anderson
29. Alvin Robertson
30. George Gervin after taking his Geritol

After this, there's room for debate as to whether Lebron or Kobe or Nash, etc, makes the list. Dirk is maybe a top 50.

[Findog]

Well here's the official list according to Spurs fans.

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Bowen
5. Finley
6. Horry
7. Barry
8. Vaughn
9. Oberto
10. Elson
11. Bonner
12. White
13. Ely
14. Udrih
15. Butler
16. Scola
17. Sean Elliot could still suit up and own
18. same with D-Rob
19. Popovich in a throwback
20. Stephen Jackson

After this, there's room for debate as to whether Lebron or Kobe or Nash, etc, makes the list. Dirk is maybe a top 50.

that is too fucking funny..What, no Cadillac Anderson or Alvin Robertson? Those guys would own Dirk. You also forget the late and great Zarko Paspalj:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/232/509527476_9072b08fa5_o.jpg

Look at him, dude's drawin' a triple team!

[mardigan]

The only guys in the league I would take over Dirk would be Tim, Bron, Wade, Kobe, and maybe Nash, although I would probably put Dirk ahead of him due to the age factor. Close right behind him Yao

[monosylab1k]

that is too fucking funny..What, no Cadillac Anderson or Alvin Robertson? Those guys would own Dirk.

hahaha yes, i gotta make some edits to the list

[Findog]

The only guys in the league I would take over Dirk would be Tim, Bron, Wade, Kobe, and maybe Nash, although I would probably put Dirk ahead of him due to the age factor. Close right behind him Yao

If I'm a GM, I take Bron. If I'm a coach, I take Dirk.

[Findog]

hahaha yes, i gotta make some edits to the list

I think it's time for MavericksDynasty to weigh in on this topic.

[mardigan]

If I'm a GM, I take Bron. If I'm a coach, I take Dirk.
Whys that?

[Findog]

Whys that?

Questionable shot selection, overdribbling on the perimeter, iffy free throw shooter, coasts too much. Getting to the Finals out of THAT Eastern Conference is not that impressive to me.

[mardigan]

Questionable shot selection, overdribbling on the perimeter, iffy free throw shooter, coasts too much. Getting to the Finals out of THAT
The ft shooting for sure, but I think those other things can be attributed to shitty teamates that stand around and dont move, and them not having a primary ball handler that can set people up. He is much more of a leader than Dirk, is 6 years younger, and might be even more of a matchup problem than Dirk. I think most coaches would take Bron over Dirk in a heartbeat, hell, the Mavs would do that trade in a heartbeat

[monosylab1k]

The ft shooting for sure, but I think those other things can be attributed to shitty teamates that stand around and dont move, and them not having a primary ball handler that can set people up. He is much more of a leader than Dirk, is 6 years younger, and might be even more of a matchup problem than Dirk. I think most coaches would take Bron over Dirk in a heartbeat, hell, the Mavs would do that trade in a heartbeat

Dirk for LeBron? no brainer. we'd be a lock for the next 3 titles at least.

[Findog]

Dirk for LeBron? no brainer. we'd be a lock for the next 3 titles at least.

Well, of course, he's seven years younger.

[MavericksDynasty]

Well here's the official list according to Spurs fans.

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Bowen
5. Finley
6. Horry
7. Barry
8. Vaughn
9. Oberto
10. Elson
11. Bonner
12. White
13. Ely
14. Udrih
15. Butler
16. Scola
17. Sean Elliot could still suit up and own
18. same with D-Rob
19. Popovich in a throwback
20. Hurricane Popovich
21. Popovich driving the team bus at the Indy 500
22. Stephen Jackson
23. Polish Sausage
24. Chimichanga
25. Shiner
26. More Food
27. Nick Van Exel - all 250 pounds of him in the glorious silver and black (is it a shock that he got fat in San Antonio?)
28. Cadillac Anderson
29. Alvin Robertson
30. George Gervin after taking his Geritol

After this, there's room for debate as to whether Lebron or Kobe or Nash, etc, makes the list. Dirk is maybe a top 50.

Those guys are all fluke players on a fluke dynasty. They just won the championships they were supposed to win. They didn't do anything special. Here's the guys that could all take Duncan to school:

1) Dirk
2) J-Ho
3) Terry
4) Stack
5) Harris
6) Damp
7) Diop
8) Buckner
9) George
10) Croshere
11) Barea
12) Ager
13) Willis
14) Mensa-Bonsu
15) Shawn Bradley could always be brought out of retirement
16) Same for Eschmeyer
17) Brad Davis, not only a smooth baritone on the Mavs' radio broadcast, but he is easily > Parker or Manu
18) Roy Tarpley's rolled up dollar bills
19) What's Sam Perkins doing these days?
20) Roy Tarpley's sponsor
21) Dirk if you shrunk him to 5 inches tall
22) Let's go break Dick Motta out of the nursing home
23) Bob Ortegel - Not only he is a devil with the ladies, with a rare, sensual sexual energy that can't be contained, but he could easily beat up Bill Schoening and Dave Barnett at the same time with both hands tied behind his back in a fight:

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24) Walter Bond
25) Terry Davis
26) James Donaldson, aka GOAT...I laugh at the comical thought of Duncan trying to post him up, or futilely giving way while Donaldson rains dunk after dunk over Timmy.
27) Herb Williams
28) Laura Miller
29) Humble Billy Hayes
30) The Manager of the Banana Republic in West Village.

[monosylab1k]

23) Bob Ortegel - Not only he is a devil with the ladies, with a rare, sensual sexual energy that can't be contained, but he could easily beat up Bill Schoening and Dave Barnett at the same time with both hands tied behind his back in a fight:

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HAHA the sexy beat Bob Ortegel. i'm sure he can stroll into the Old No.7 Club after a game and just clean house with all the fake blonde drunk sluts in there.

[thispego]

Who do you have in front of him?

By my count, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, > Dirk.
duncan, kobe, nash, lebron, and... ok... dirk

i was in a bad mood this morning but i'm feeling better now. dirk can be in the top 5 :lol

[Avitus1]

I'd like to see him go to the Clippers, it would be amusing as all hell.

[Findog]

I'd like to see him go to the Clippers, it would be amusing as all hell.

Elton Brand and Kobe on the same team? I don't want to see that. Kobe should have signed there when he had the chance -- it instantly would've given the Clippers a shot at being on equal footing with the Lake Show in southern California.

[Johnny RIngo]

Finley and Nash weren't leaders? Dirk's not a leader?

So Dallas is the only team in NBA History to ever give up a lead?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240515013

http://www.nba.com/games/20060522/DALSAS/recap.html

"If we lose [today], this season is pretty much over."

Some leader you got there.

[MavericksDynasty]

"If we lose [today], this season is pretty much over."

Some leader you got there.

You can't ignore both sides of the coin.

[Findog]

HAHA the sexy beat Bob Ortegel. i'm sure he can stroll into the Old No.7 Club after a game and just clean house with all the fake blonde drunk sluts in there.

I think he's banned from the Old No. 7 club because the other guys have absolutely no chance when he walks through the doors to work his magic. I heard he's gonna hunt Chuck Norris down and kill the motherfucker for stealing his facts. And look at that fancy pimpjacket he's wearing. Off the rack from the Men's Warehouse = "Class"

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[Bear Grylls]

And look at that fancy pimpjacket he's wearing. Off the rack from the Men's Warehouse = "Class"

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1318/570764415_c069195b14_o.jpg



That jacket is straight from Lombardo's