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Pistons < Spurs
06-16-2007, 10:05 PM
Experimental game raises the basket and questions

Brayden Billbe caught the pass on the block. He drop-stepped and turned to dunk, just as he usually would.

Nope, not this time. Not with the basket a foot higher.

"All of a sudden, I'm like 'oh, no.' So I flip it up there and it rolls off the rim," Billbe said. "I felt like an idiot."

There were a few of those moments on Saturday during an exhibition basketball game featuring 11-foot rims. Organized by former NBA assistant Tom Newell -- son of former coach and acclaimed big-man instructor Pete Newell -- the exhibition surely won't be remembered for the quality of play, but perhaps for sparking a change.

"I think this will open the professional league's eyes, where they may experiment with it, give it a serious look," said Jim Harrick, the former UCLA coach who was coaching one of the teams.

For the record, Saturday's exhibition ended with a 90-60 victory for the "gold" team. Billbe, a 6-foot-11 center who played at American University, scored a game-high 20 points and grabbed 14 rebounds.

But the goal for Newell was to examine how the game was different with the taller rims. Was there more passing and spacing? Was teamwork at more of a premium and less of a focus on individual play? Was a challenge presented to the players, all of which had some college experience, and could they adapt?

The answer seemed to be a resounding yes.

"They represented the game fundamentally as best as I could have expected," Newell said.

It was sloppy exhibition in the early going, a side effect of the players spending just a week practicing for it.

By the second quarter the quality improved, and effects of the taller basket became evident.

Perhaps the biggest impact was on the interior players. No longer could centers like Billbe catch the ball on the low block, turn and simply extend their arms and lay the ball over the rim.

With the taller rim, if their positioning was too deep, the shot angle was nearly impossible. When they turned, an upward shot was needed. The feel a big man has for their position on the floor was completely altered.

"I can't wait to get back to a 10-foot rim," said 6-8 Adam Zahn, who played at Oregon. "This showed me that I do rely on my athleticism a lot."

The taller rim also impacted outside shooting. Players who weren't square to the basket with their feet set had trouble early on getting the ball over the front rim. Shots improved later in the game, but fadeaways and contested attempts often didn't have a chance.

About a 1,000 fans turned out for the exhibition on the University of Washington campus, including current Washington coach Lorenzo Romar and former coach Marv Harshman. Newell's experiment came from a belief that today's game relies too much on dunking, 3-point shooting and the pure athleticism of players bigger, faster and stronger than the past.

"On offense, a player still has to use their athleticism, you just use it in a different way," said Ryan Rourke, who played at Cornell and now plays in Europe.

Added Andrew Zahn, Adam's brother who plays professionally in Japan, "Kids are dunking now in eighth grade, freshman year in high school. You go back to this, the court is a lot more spread, there are more fundamentals."

Early on, there weren't many fundamentals. The teams combined for 16 turnovers in the first quarter and finished with 43 combined. Yet, the court opened up, proving lanes for cutting and passing. Players who usually would hoist 23-foot 3-pointers, passed up the deep shot to take a couple of dribbles and instead shoot an 18-footer.

Ultimately, Newell was pleased, but realizes any change will depend on public reception to a game that would be less about entertainment and more fundamental.

"I can definitely see this happening again," Andrew Zahn said. "To be involved with the first one is kind of cool."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2906707

Marcus Bryant
06-16-2007, 10:09 PM
So basically a 11 foot rim would turn the NBA into the WNBA.

nsrammstein
06-16-2007, 10:19 PM
So basically a 11 foot rim would turn the NBA into the WNBA.

11 foot rims wouldn't hurt the NBA. It would make idiots like you who just care about Dunks turn away and watch other sports.

Marcus Bryant
06-16-2007, 10:22 PM
11 foot rims wouldn't hurt the NBA. It would make idiots like you who just care about Dunks turn away and watch other sports.

Eh, who pissed in your Cheerios?

dallaskd
06-16-2007, 11:23 PM
that would be very gay

mavs>spurs2
06-17-2007, 12:15 AM
it would hurt players like tim duncan and shaq

leemajors
06-17-2007, 11:28 AM
why don't they just bring in those variable rotating rims from shaq's old powerade commercials.

JamStone
06-17-2007, 11:35 AM
11 foot rims???

I say don't make them taller. Bring them down!!!!

7 foot rims!!!!

Now that would be great fun seeing 7 footers constantly smashing their faces on the rims. I'd like to see Yao Ming having to bend down to block a shot.

ALVAREZ6
06-17-2007, 12:58 PM
11 foot rims would be cool.


Only a select few would dunk. Vince Carter, LeBron, Kobe, Dwight Howard, Amare...it would be fun to watch I think.

Roxsfan
06-17-2007, 01:55 PM
11 foot rims would be cool.


Only a select few would dunk. Vince Carter, LeBron, Kobe, Dwight Howard, Amare...it would be fun to watch I think.

Tmac and Yao would still dunk...

but this idea is stewpid :smokin

Borosai
06-17-2007, 02:16 PM
No sir, I don't like it.

Fillmoe
06-17-2007, 02:25 PM
shitty ass idea... the ratings would drop to shit..... shooters would have to readjust their shot..... crappy ass idea

BUMP
06-17-2007, 05:39 PM
Eh, who pissed in your Cheerios?
:vomit:

mavs>spurs2
06-17-2007, 08:03 PM
id like to see how duncan would score if he couldnt do his 2 foot turn around jump hook every time

mavsfan1000
06-17-2007, 08:19 PM
Bring it on. I would love to see that.

NorCal510
06-17-2007, 10:32 PM
..... shooters would have to readjust their shot..... crappy ass idea

MrChug
06-18-2007, 07:10 AM
11 foot rims???

I say don't make them taller. Bring them down!!!!

7 foot rims!!!!

Now that would be great fun seeing 7 footers constantly smashing their faces on the rims. I'd like to see Yao Ming having to bend down to block a shot.

:lol :lol :lol

Slo spurs fan
06-18-2007, 07:12 AM
id like to see how duncan would score if he couldnt do his 2 foot turn around jump hook every time
With his golden bank shot maybe?

_irk would be ringless still.

MrChug
06-18-2007, 07:12 AM
Bring it on. I would love to see that.

Dirkhead...the article CLEARLY mentioned that


...but fadeaways and contested attempts often didn't have a chance.

Fadeaways are all Mr. Chokejobski lives on!

Slo spurs fan
06-18-2007, 07:13 AM
BTW I am with ALVAREZ6 on this one.

MadDog73
06-18-2007, 09:03 AM
Shit, Stern can't even change the ball.

Nothing fundamental will change in basketball.

monosylab1k
06-18-2007, 09:06 AM
They're doing everything they can to keep white guys in the league.

Slo spurs fan
06-18-2007, 09:13 AM
They're doing everything they can to keep white guys in the league.
Yao. Ming. Would. Dunk. Still.

monosylab1k
06-18-2007, 09:16 AM
Yao. Ming. Would. Dunk. Still.

Well let me know when Yao Ming turns white, then maybe you'll have a point.

Slo spurs fan
06-18-2007, 09:29 AM
Well let me know when Yao Ming turns white, then maybe you'll have a point.
So he is yellow then, right? :lmao
http://shrani.si/files/actyaoming126e9.jpg
Yellow as lemon! :rolleyes

monosylab1k
06-18-2007, 09:39 AM
So he is yellow then, right? :lmao
Yellow as lemon! :rolleyes

Are you fucking retarded? Who the fuck is talking about literal skin color?

nkdlunch
06-18-2007, 09:40 AM
this ranks up there in the stupidest ideas ranking

Spurminator
06-18-2007, 10:11 AM
I'd still like for them to give some thought to widening the court.

dmac
06-18-2007, 10:43 AM
Eh, who pissed in your Cheerios?
Baron Davis did!

DarkReign
06-18-2007, 12:06 PM
So this is an effort to do....what?

Re-instill fundamentals into a league that is begging/pleading for the next Jordan, skillset/maturity be damned?

Riddle me this....why on God's green earth would the league want to enforce fundamental basketball? What gains do they make by instituting such ideas?

None. Zero. Nada, thats what.

Is fundamental basketball dead? Check your Final Four in this year's playoff, and name the one team that didnt belong. Then look at the other 3 and ask yourself "Do they play fundamental basketball?"

After youre done answering the rhetorical question, look at the ratings for the Finals.

Fundamental basketball is alive and very well. It just isnt popular. To the NBA league and its owners, Popularity >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fundamentals.

Even if this is wasnt a dumbshit idea, it still wouldnt be given a fair shake. America loves freakish, teenage athletes charading as adult, mature basketball players.

dirk4mvp
06-18-2007, 12:37 PM
this ranks up there in the stupidest ideas ranking


:tu

Borosai
06-18-2007, 12:51 PM
I have a better idea. While they're at it, make the rims move and shit. That would really make for interesting games.

monosylab1k
06-18-2007, 12:56 PM
Let's make the court a giant trampoline too.

BadBoysAreBackIn08
06-18-2007, 01:06 PM
11 foot rims would be a gay ass idea.