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PixelPusher
06-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Dunce-Cap Nation (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19390791/site/newsweek/)
We asked Americans about current events, history and cultural literacy. And we got some pretty disheartening results.

By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 2:53 p.m. PT June 23, 2007

July 2-9, 2007 issue - For our What You Need to Know Now cover story, we asked our polling firm to test 1,001 adults on a variety of topics, including politics, foreign affairs, business, technology and popular culture. The results were mixed, to be charitible. NEWSWEEK's first What You Need to Know Poll found many gaps in America's knowledge—including a lingering misperception about an Iraqi connection to the September 11 terror attacks, an inability to name key figures in the American government and general cultural confusion.

Even today, more than four years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in 10 Americans (41 percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11, even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection. A majority of Americans were similarly unable to pick Saudi Arabia in a multiple-choice question about the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers were born. Just 43 percent got it right—and a full 20 percent thought most came from Iraq.

Still, seven in 10 (70 percent) are aware that the United States has not discovered any hidden weapons of mass destruction in Iraq since the war began. And perhaps because most (85 percent) are aware that Osama bin Laden remains at large, roughly half of the poll’s respondents (52 percent) think that the United States is losing the fight against his terror group, Al Qaeda, despite no military defeats or recent terrorist attacks to suggest as much.

Closer to home, more Americans are able to name Jordin Sparks as the winner of the most recent season of American Idol (18 percent) than can identify John Roberts as the Supreme Court’s chief justice (11 percent). Only one in three (31 percent) know that Ben Bernanke is the current Federal Reserve chairman; a quarter (26 percent) think Alan Greenspan, who retired in early 2006, still holds the position. Still, more than half of those polled (59 percent) could identify Nancy Pelosi as House Speaker in a multiple-choice question. (Younger respondents had a harder time with this question though, with 46 percent of those under 40 able to identify Pelosi compared to 68 percent of those older than 40.)

One third of the public (36 percent) correctly answered a multiple-choice question showing they knew that both Al Gore and Andrew Jackson had lost a presidential election despite winning more popular votes. A similar number (37 percent) could identify Abraham Lincoln as the first Republican elected president.

Our understanding of broader global affairs and history is sketchy at best. Less than half (42 percent) of the public was aware that Iraq only existed as an independent nation since 1920; 15 percent think Iraq existed as a country before and nearly half (43 percent) refrained from even guessing. Conversely, more than half (60 percent) could identify Vladimir Putin as Russia’s leader. Only three in 10 (29 percent) are aware that nine countries posses nuclear weapons. Four in 10 (38 percent) think only five countries posses such technology; 21 percent put the number of nuclear countries at 11.

Roughly half (53 percent) are aware that Judaism is an older religion than both Christianity and Islam (41 percent aren’t sure). And a quarter of the population mistakenly identify either Iran (26 percent) or India (24 percent) as the country with the largest Muslim population. Only 23 percent could correctly identify Indonesia. Close to twothirds (61 percent) are aware that the Roman Empire predates the Ottoman, British and American empires.

NEWSWEEK also quizzed respondents on business, technology, science and medicine. About one third (37 percent) have an idea of the current value of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, and even fewer (23 percent) could correctly select 2000 as the year that the dot-com bubble burst. The business question most respondents (55 percent) could answer correctly was the approximate price of oil (about $70).

Americans could only answer one of our three science and medicine questions correctly: 54 percent seemed to know that the human brain does not stop producing new neurons until after the age of 65. Only 15 percent, however, are aware that childbirth kills one woman a minute each day around the world. A quarter (28 percent) mistakenly thinks the top killer of women is AIDS and more than half (54 percent) thought it was heart attacks. Furthermore, only a small minority (17 percent) correctly chose “greater output from the sun” from a list of items as the lone factor that does not contribute to global warming (with 65 percent mistakenly believing that rice patties are not a contributing factor).

On the cultural front, even though there have been many popular television shows and movies based on her work, less than half (40 percent) of Americans can identify Jane Austen as the author of “Pride and Prejudice” and “Sense and Sensibility.” Women (44 percent) were somewhat more likely than men (36 percent) to answer the question correctly. Still, nearly two thirds (65 percent) of Americans correctly identified soccer as the most popular sport in the world; just 17 percent believe it’s America’s pastime, baseball.

Geography is not the strongest subject for many Americans either. Less than half of the poll’s respondents (45 percent) know that South Korea is closer to Japan than Vietnam, the Philippines and Australia. Close to twothirds (64 percent) do know that the Amazon River is in South America. And despite Iraq’s ongoing relevance to current events, just half (50 percent) could select Libya as the only country out of a list of four that doesn't border it. (even after 3 1/2 years of TV news constantly showing maps of the middle east)

The NEWSWEEK Poll, conducted June 18-19, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points for questions based on Census Current Population Survey parameters for gender, age, education, race and population density. In conducting the poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates International interviewed 1,001 adults aged 18 and older.

It's just too bad Newsweek didn't include political affiliations with the demographics of those polled.

Tippecanoe
06-25-2007, 12:59 PM
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Nbadan
06-25-2007, 01:04 PM
This is about the same percentage that still believe the official 911 faith movement explaination - coincidink? I think not...

Extra Stout
06-25-2007, 01:18 PM
I'm actually pretty shocked at how high some of those percentages are. I never would have expected over 40% to know when Iraq was founded, or to know Jane Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice, or that over 60% would have a sense of the age of the Roman Empire.

I would have missed a few on the quiz. I didn't know that childbirth was the leading cause of death of women. I also didn't know the brain continues to produce neurons until the age of 65.

The global warming question is erroneous. The sun, according to mainstream theory, is not the primary driver, but it is incorrect to say it plays no role. From what I understand, the increase in solar output made up 10-30% of observed warming in the latter half of the 20th century. So I guess not even the poll writers can get it right. :lol

Oh, the political breakdown was 35 D/ 25 R/ 34 I/ 6 other.

Marcus Bryant
06-25-2007, 05:02 PM
When you have K-12 education effectively monopolized by local governments it's not surprising.

Nbadan
06-25-2007, 06:08 PM
When you have K-12 education effectively monopolized by local governments it's not surprising.

:rolleyes


(cough)(cough)40% high-school drop-out rate(cough)(cough)

boutons_
06-25-2007, 06:12 PM
"K-12 education effectively monopolized by local governments"

your better alternative is ____ ?

Nbadan
06-25-2007, 06:15 PM
"K-12 education effectively monopolized by local governments"

your better alternative is ____ ?

Charter schools would fix that. :elephant

Nevermind that study after study shows that charter schools do no better of a job educationing our youth as public schools even though they get to pick the literal cream-of-the-crop while limiting access to those with physical and mental limitations.

Wild Cobra
06-25-2007, 06:46 PM
The global warming question is erroneous. The sun, according to mainstream theory, is not the primary driver, but it is incorrect to say it plays no role. From what I understand, the increase in solar output made up 10-30% of observed warming in the latter half of the 20th century. So I guess not even the poll writers can get it right. :lolThe solar effect I believe is the primary force at work from the research I have done. Another thing we hear little about is changes in cosmic ray intensities. They help trigger precipitation points in the atmosphere. That's a different thread however.

I agree. The Newsweek poll (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19375611/site/newsweek/) is erroneous.

Now I would have had a only picked #4 correct by the process of elimination. Pretty easy to do so, and those getting it wrong are dunces!

I would have picked NO on #5, because his involvement has only been shown as indirect, and to my knowledge, no evidence ever surfaced to show that he knew the 9/11 attach was in play. Funny thing though, Newsweek acts as that is fact. I agree it is likely the fact, but how do you prove that contention either?

Number 7 is clearly wrong. We did find WMD. Now technically, it wasn’t the WMD we were looking for and was old stock, probably unusable. But the facts are clear, we did find some!

Question 9, 13, 22, 27 and 28 would have been a guess for me.

Number 23 is a wrong question because it doesn’t include “none of the above.”
Oh, the political breakdown was 35 D/ 25 R/ 34 I/ 6 other.Now what I would like to know is how do you get a valid poll with such a incorrect range of people’s affiliation? It does not represent the population very well. Could it be that this was a poll of USA subscription readers as a method to see how effective their articles are?

Marcus Bryant
06-25-2007, 09:50 PM
:rolleyes


(cough)(cough)40% high-school drop-out rate(cough)(cough)


Exactly.

Marcus Bryant
06-25-2007, 09:53 PM
"K-12 education effectively monopolized by local governments"

your better alternative is ____ ?


Perhaps something that is not so. Why is it that the markets for other vital services somehow have managed to escape collectivization? Government run K-12 education is merely the result of historical inertia, nothing more.

MaNuMaNiAc
06-25-2007, 10:05 PM
Charter schools would fix that. :elephant

Nevermind that study after study shows that charter schools do no better of a job educationing our youth as public schools even though they get to pick the literal cream-of-the-crop while limiting access to those with physical and mental limitations.
ahem... don't you mean educating? unless of course it was done on purpose :toast

boutons_
06-26-2007, 12:31 AM
"other vital services somehow have managed to escape collectivization?"

collectivization is of course the word, loaded in your mouth, applied to Communism and collectivization of agricultural and industry in the Soviet Union.

You mean like "collectivized" services police and fire-fighting services, militar/national defense, space and oceanographic research, like road building, like surface water management?

I guess you are pleased that dickhead has more US mercenaries fighting in Iraq than US military, and doing the fighting for a hell of a lot more $$$ than US military people make, living in hotels, and exempt from any laws?

Marcus Bryant
06-26-2007, 12:35 AM
You mean like "collectivized" services police and fire-fighting services, militar/national defense, space and oceanographic research, like road building, like surface water management?



Each of those have characteristics that lend themselves to government provision. Educational services do not.

boutons_
06-26-2007, 01:03 AM
For well over 100 years, the US has had public education from K12 to 4-year colleges. The US has done pretty with that setup.

All industrial countries have exactly the same public education, paid for by taxes. And it works well for them, too.

But it's not good enough for you.

btw, NO country is perfectly satisfied with the public education, for varying reasons.

The failings of public education in the US is due to antagonistic parental and cultural influences, and under-paying of teachers, which draws in large numbers of below average, unqualified teachers, and not enough qualified, talented teachers.

As the Bible-thumping, exclusive charter schools are finding out (LESS positive scores vs public schools), education is very tough and expensive activity.

Nbadan
06-26-2007, 03:58 AM
The failings of public education in the US is due to antagonistic parental and cultural influences, and under-paying of teachers, which draws in large numbers of below average, unqualified teachers, and not enough qualified, talented teachers.

It is cultural, but I believe it is also environmental. People have no influence into the homes they are born into, nor can they do much about having to work to help feed the family. Many return later to get their GED when times are better. It's a depressing cycle and ironically, education is the key to ending it.

Marcus Bryant
06-26-2007, 07:30 AM
The failings of public education in the US is due to antagonistic parental and cultural influences, and under-paying of teachers, which draws in large numbers of below average, unqualified teachers, and not enough qualified, talented teachers.



Right, and of course the fact that it's government-run has nothing to do with the performance of the schools that are...government-run as well as teacher's salaries and the like.

Nbadan
06-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Other nations manage to do OK with no charter schools...

boutons_
06-26-2007, 05:31 PM
"Educational services do not."

why not? The Greatest Nation in the History of the Fucking Universe has come this far with public education.

Marcus Bryant
06-26-2007, 10:04 PM
Not with a system that's worked like this. Between the wave of Hispanic immigrants increasing competition for lower skilled, lower wage employment opportunities and the effects of globalization on heretofore stable and secure middle-class level positions requiring a college education, public education in the US is underserving the populace now more than ever. So go ahead and hold on to old shibboleths and your petty partisan politics. The band did play on as the Titantic descended to the depths of the North Atlantic, after all.

boutons_
06-26-2007, 11:14 PM
"public education in the US is underserving the populace now more than ever"

No, the kids are under-working their flabby, obese butts in school.

The illegals are taking low-paying jobs from the the low-paid, mainly blacks and some US hispanics (who continue to leapfrog the blacks).

The corps are take good paying jobs from the middle classes,while expecting 50 - 60 hour weeks.

Marcus Bryant
06-26-2007, 11:23 PM
"public education in the US is underserving the populace now more than ever"

No, the kids are under-working their flabby, obese butts in school.

...and those schools are run by?



The illegals are taking low-paying jobs from the the low-paid, mainly blacks and some US hispanics (who continue to leapfrog the blacks).

...and poor whites. Gone are the days when a kid could take a job out of high school and find himself in a decent paying career. Now it's competing for yard work and other light industrial jobs with people who will work twice as hard for half the pay.



The corps are take good paying jobs from the middle classes,while expecting 50 - 60 hour weeks.

...and the schools are leaving them underprepared to compete in an economy that is moving up the value chain.

gtownspur
06-27-2007, 12:47 AM
Not with a system that's worked like this. Between the wave of Hispanic immigrants increasing competition for lower skilled, lower wage employment opportunities and the effects of globalization on heretofore stable and secure middle-class level positions requiring a college education, public education in the US is underserving the populace now more than ever. So go ahead and hold on to old shibboleths and your petty partisan politics. The band did play on as the Titantic descended to the depths of the North Atlantic, after all.


WHat a fucking queer!

DarkReign
06-27-2007, 10:31 AM
I am with ES. I am actually surprised the %'s were that high.

BTW, I would have puked all over thay exam as well. So, meh, whatever.