:( Chris Benoit

[kris]

That's because that list only includes the famous ones...as I said earlier.


This is what happens when you try to present yourself as an expert on a subject through google.

Wrestlers die in the ring or becuase of ring related injuries every couple of years.




It's probably happened since then....it happens often.

ESPN doesn't cover small feds...

Lesson to be learned?

Don't argue with a wrestling fan about wrestling.


Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich: February 18, 1993--Committed suicide.
Dino Bravo: March 11, 1993--Died of gunshot wounds in his living room.
Joey Marella (WWF Referee/Gorilla Monsoon's Son): July 4, 1994--Died in motorcycle accident.
Jerry "Crusher" Blackwell--January 22, 1995--Died of complications from injuries sustained in a road accident.
Big John Studd: March 20, 1995--Died of liver cancer.
Ray Stevens--May 3, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Dick Murdoch--June 14, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Sapphire: September 10, 1996--Died from a heart attack.
Dr. Bill Miller--March 24, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Stan Stasiak: June 12, 1997--Died from heart failure.
Dick "Bulldog" Brower--September 15, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Brian Pillman: October 5, 1997--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease.
Bobo Brazil: January 20, 1998--Died from complications from a stroke.
Louie Spicolli: February 15, 1998--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease caused by hypertrophic cardiomyopathy syndrome.
Junk Yard Dog: June 2, 1998--Died in a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel.
Sky Low Low [famous midget wrestler]: November 9, 1998--heart failure.
January 31, 1999--Died of colon cancer.
Rick Williams [Renegade in WCW]: February 23, 1999--Died from suicide.
Ravishing Rick Rude: April 20, 1999--Died from heart attack.
Owen Hart: May 23, 1999--Died from 50 foot fall from ceiling to ring.
Brian Hildebrand (WCW Referee Mark Curtis): September 8, 1999--Died after a two year battle with stomach cancer.
Gorilla Monsoon: October 5, 1999--Died from a heart attack.
Bobby Duncum, Jr: January 24, 2000--Drug overdose.
Gordon Solie: July 27, 2000--Died from cancer.
Toru Tanaka: August 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Yokozuna: October 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Johnny Valentine: April 24, 2001--Natural Causes.
Tex McKenzie--May 31, 2001--Died of an aortic aneurysm.
Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy: July 16, 2001--Blood clot in the heart.
Rhonda Singh: August 2, 2001--Drug Overdose which caused a Heart Attack
Blaise Alexander (WCW race car driver): October 4, 2001--Complications from a head injury received in a car race.
"Gentleman" Chris Adams: October 7, 2001--Shot to death.
Helen Hart: November 4, 2001--Complications from a seizure.
Russ Haas: December 15, 2001--Heart Attack.
Wahoo McDaniels: April 18, 2002--Died from complications from renal failure and diabetes.
Lou Thesz: April 28, 2002--Died from natural causes after heart surgery earlier in the year.
Big Dick Dudley: May 16, 2002--Kidney failure
"The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith: May 18, 2002--Died from a heart attack.
Rocco Rock of Public Enemy: September 21, 2002--Heart Attack.
"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig: February 10, 2003--acute cocaine intoxication.
Miss Elizabeth: May 1, 2003--Died from a combination of alcohol and painkillers.
"Classy" Freddie Blassie: June 2, 2003--Unknown
Stu Hart: October 16, 2003--Natural Causes
Hawk [Michael Hegstrand]-- October 19, 2003--Heart Attack
Crash Holly--November 6, 2003--Drug overdose
Larry "Moondog Spot" Booker--November 29, 2003--Collapsed in the ring
Malice/The Wall [Jerry Tuite]--December 6, 2003--acute heart attack
Jack Tunney--January 24, 2004--Heart attack
Hercules--March 6, 2004--Died in his sleep.
James Dudley--Early June 1, 2004--Died of natural causes.
Ray "Big Bossman" Traylor--September 22, 2004--Heart failure.
Chris Candido--April 28, 2005--Blood clot and complications due to surgery.
Lord Alfred Hayes--July 21, 2005--Complications from a series of strokes.
Moondog King [Ed "Sailor" White]--August 26, 2005--Unknown
Eddie Guerrero--November 13, 2005--Enlarged Heart due to years of drug use.
Johnny Grunge of Public Enemy--February 16, 2006--Unknown at this time.
John Tenta [Earthquake]--June 7, 2006--bladder cancer.
Bam Bam Bigelow [Scott Bigelow]--January 19, 2007--Drugs.
Mike Awesome--February 17, 2007--Apparent Suicide.
Bad News Brown--March 6, 2007--Heart Attack
"Big Cat" Ernie Ladd--March 10, 2007--Cancer
"Sensational" Sherri (Martel)--June 15, 2007--Unknown at this time
Nancy "Women" (Sullivan) Benoit--June 25, 2007--Strangulation. Died at home with Chris Benoit and their son Daniel (Suffocation).
Chris Benoit--June 25, 2007--Suicide by Hanging

[kris]

Hmmmm that didn't look like too many body slams.

[whottt]

Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Sabu, DRoz, Kurt Angle

That's 6 broken necks or broken backs I ca think of right off the bat in the wrestling ring just in the last 12 years or so, not including the guy who died that I mentioned earlier...compare that with the pro sports.


You got Mike Utley...the Arena football player who died...Darryl Stingley...who else?

[Flea]

:cry

This makes me so sick!!!

[whottt]

Hmmmm that didn't look like too many body slams.


That list includes some guys that died in their 60's and 70's like Gorilla Monsoon...


Seriously...are you really convinced you are right?

I mean I just listed a guy that died in the ring that isn't on your list...you want more?


Will you admit you are wrong?

Or will you just post the same list that includes people dying of heart attacks in their 70's as some kind of evidence they are all drug addicts?

[kris]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kris




Wrestlers don't die that young because they slam on the mat 300 times a year.




Wrong...they do die because of that, in fact they sometiimes die because of one slam gone wrong with far more regularity than any pro-sport.

One, what's up with that line? 2, you named one guy who supposedly died from a slam and then some with broken bones. Where is the never ending list of deaths from slams?

[kris]

That list includes some guys that died in their 60's and 70's like Gorilla Monsoon...


Seriously...are you really convinced you are right?

I mean I just listed a guy that died in the ring that isn't on your list...you want more?


Will you admit you are wrong?

Or will you just post the same list that includes people dying of heart attacks in their 70's as some kind of evidence they are all drug addicts?

You pick 1 old guy and ask me to admit I'm wrong. Look at the evidence. There are plenty of guys to choose from that weren't that old. Come on, you need to take the Bret Hart glasses off and wake up.

[ChumpDumper]

I think they would just like to see more instances of wrestling-related deaths.

[kris]

You can paint stripes on a donkey but that doesn't make him a zebra.

[tsb2000]

Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Sabu, Droz, Kurt Angle

That's 6 broken necks or broken backs I ca think of right off the bat in the wrestling ring just in the last 12 years or so, not including the guy who died that I mentioned earlier...compare that with the pro sports.

You got Mike Utley...the Arena football player who died...Darryl Stingley...who else?

I thought Utley played for the Lions and is still alive? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else...

Don't forget to mention Buff Bagwell, who almost died in the ring from a broken neck on live tv during a WCW Nitro episode when it was on...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Sabu, DRoz, Kurt Angle

That's 6 broken necks or broken backs I ca think of right off the bat in the wrestling ring just in the last 12 years or so, not including the guy who died that I mentioned earlier...compare that with the pro sports.


You got Mike Utley...the Arena football player who died...Darryl Stingley...who else?


Dennis Byrd, Reggie Brown, Michael Irvin, Mike Alstott, John Mobley, Sterling Sharpe, Priest Holmes, Rich Gannon, etc.

EDIT: You threw me off by using Utley and Stingley, neither of whom died on the field. All the above players had serious neck injuries and most chose retirement instead of risking paralysis, with Alsott being the exception.

[timvp]

Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were wrestling deaths.

[whottt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kris




Wrestlers don't die that young because they slam on the mat 300 times a year.




Wrong...they do die because of that, in fact they sometiimes die because of one slam gone wrong with far more regularity than any pro-sport.

One, what's up with that line? 2, you named one guy who supposedly died from a slam and then some with broken bones. Where is the never ending list of deaths from slams?

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/decwres.htm

Count the asterisk...

57 deaths in ring or right after the match...that doesn't include the ones that died in the hospital several days after...from injuries sustaiend in the match...

Like Chris Candido..in 2003.

It also doesn't include some of the guys that wrestled in minor feds....like Dan Quirk.


Go ahead...post the combined total of mlb, nba, nfl, arena and the ncaa...


You'll be lucky if you can come up with 10.

Edit: and most of them will be baseball players struck by lightning.




Similar totals in broken necks and parapaleigics...

Wrestlers wrestle every night...

Next time there is an Indy show in SA...you should go to it, and ask a wrester to just toss you into the ropes gently...the most routine move they do in a match...you'll have bruises for the rest of the week.

If you are feeling really brave tell him that being body slammed isn't jack shit...then ask him to give you a typical body slam...see if you think it's no biggie.

Wrestlers wrestle every night. Football players play football once a week, in pads. Boxers Box at most a couple of times per month.


There is not a more physically destructive field of athletics than wrestling..except maybe boxing....

And a lot of these heart attacks are due to the drugs they take to deal with the cracked vertabrae etc. they sustained during their careers.


Theres only one Hulk Hogan who got by without doing shit in the ring...most of them destroyed their bodies to earn a living....at a far more destructive pace than the NFL. That's the main reason they become drug addicts.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/decwres.htm

Count the asterisk...

57 deaths in ring or right after match...that doesn't include the ones that died in the hospital several days after...from injuries sustaiend in the match...Does that 57 include the deaths in 1937 and 1911, et.al.?

[whottt]

Does that 57 include the deaths in 1937 and 1911, et.al.?


Sure...and feel free to include the totals from the NCAA, NFL, NHL and MLB going back as far as you can...


If you can find 10 of them, combined, I'll be impressed.

Go ahead...prove to me how stupid you are in your next post...by failing to admit the obvious.

[kris]

http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/decwres.htm

Count the asterisk...

57 deaths in ring or right after match...that doesn't include the ones that died in the hospital several days after...from injuries sustaiend in the match...

Like Chris Candido.


Go ahead...post the combined total of mlb, nba, nfl, arena and the ncaa...


You'll be lucky if you can come up with 10.

You sent me a link where there's hundreds of names and 1 out of every 30 (if that) has an asterick that indicates they died in the ring.

I'm not about to count everyone that has or hasn't. Steroids and cocaine kill in wrestling - not slams.

As for whether they take a beating, I'll conceed to you they take more punishment than I thought. Whether it's worse than football, I still say no way. Other sports - baseball how are you going to take a beating really? nba - no one is trying to jump off a top turnbuckle on to a guy 12 feet below. I never said those. I said football. And football takes more of a beating.

I do remember Sid Justice's video of snapping his leg though - pretty nasty. But football, guys snap their leg everyday.

[Spurfect]

Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich: February 18, 1993--Committed suicide.
Dino Bravo: March 11, 1993--Died of gunshot wounds in his living room.
Joey Marella (WWF Referee/Gorilla Monsoon's Son): July 4, 1994--Died in motorcycle accident.
Jerry "Crusher" Blackwell--January 22, 1995--Died of complications from injuries sustained in a road accident.
Big John Studd: March 20, 1995--Died of liver cancer.
Ray Stevens--May 3, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Dick Murdoch--June 14, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Sapphire: September 10, 1996--Died from a heart attack.
Dr. Bill Miller--March 24, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Stan Stasiak: June 12, 1997--Died from heart failure.
Dick "Bulldog" Brower--September 15, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Brian Pillman: October 5, 1997--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease.
Bobo Brazil: January 20, 1998--Died from complications from a stroke.
Louie Spicolli: February 15, 1998--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease caused by hypertrophic cardiomyopathy syndrome.
Junk Yard Dog: June 2, 1998--Died in a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel.
Sky Low Low [famous midget wrestler]: November 9, 1998--heart failure.
January 31, 1999--Died of colon cancer.
Rick Williams [Renegade in WCW]: February 23, 1999--Died from suicide.
Ravishing Rick Rude: April 20, 1999--Died from heart attack.
Owen Hart: May 23, 1999--Died from 50 foot fall from ceiling to ring.
Brian Hildebrand (WCW Referee Mark Curtis): September 8, 1999--Died after a two year battle with stomach cancer.
Gorilla Monsoon: October 5, 1999--Died from a heart attack.
Bobby Duncum, Jr: January 24, 2000--Drug overdose.
Gordon Solie: July 27, 2000--Died from cancer.
Toru Tanaka: August 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Yokozuna: October 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Johnny Valentine: April 24, 2001--Natural Causes.
Tex McKenzie--May 31, 2001--Died of an aortic aneurysm.
Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy: July 16, 2001--Blood clot in the heart.
Rhonda Singh: August 2, 2001--Drug Overdose which caused a Heart Attack
Blaise Alexander (WCW race car driver): October 4, 2001--Complications from a head injury received in a car race.
"Gentleman" Chris Adams: October 7, 2001--Shot to death.
Helen Hart: November 4, 2001--Complications from a seizure.
Russ Haas: December 15, 2001--Heart Attack.
Wahoo McDaniels: April 18, 2002--Died from complications from renal failure and diabetes.
Lou Thesz: April 28, 2002--Died from natural causes after heart surgery earlier in the year.
Big Dick Dudley: May 16, 2002--Kidney failure
"The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith: May 18, 2002--Died from a heart attack.
Rocco Rock of Public Enemy: September 21, 2002--Heart Attack.
"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig: February 10, 2003--acute cocaine intoxication.
Miss Elizabeth: May 1, 2003--Died from a combination of alcohol and painkillers.
"Classy" Freddie Blassie: June 2, 2003--Unknown
Stu Hart: October 16, 2003--Natural Causes
Hawk [Michael Hegstrand]-- October 19, 2003--Heart Attack
Crash Holly--November 6, 2003--Drug overdose
Larry "Moondog Spot" Booker--November 29, 2003--Collapsed in the ring
Malice/The Wall [Jerry Tuite]--December 6, 2003--acute heart attack
Jack Tunney--January 24, 2004--Heart attack
Hercules--March 6, 2004--Died in his sleep.
James Dudley--Early June 1, 2004--Died of natural causes.
Ray "Big Bossman" Traylor--September 22, 2004--Heart failure.
Chris Candido--April 28, 2005--Blood clot and complications due to surgery.
Lord Alfred Hayes--July 21, 2005--Complications from a series of strokes.
Moondog King [Ed "Sailor" White]--August 26, 2005--Unknown
Eddie Guerrero--November 13, 2005--Enlarged Heart due to years of drug use.
Johnny Grunge of Public Enemy--February 16, 2006--Unknown at this time.
John Tenta [Earthquake]--June 7, 2006--bladder cancer.
Bam Bam Bigelow [Scott Bigelow]--January 19, 2007--Drugs.
Mike Awesome--February 17, 2007--Apparent Suicide.
Bad News Brown--March 6, 2007--Heart Attack
"Big Cat" Ernie Ladd--March 10, 2007--Cancer
"Sensational" Sherri (Martel)--June 15, 2007--Unknown at this time
Nancy "Women" (Sullivan) Benoit--June 25, 2007--Strangulation. Died at home with Chris Benoit and their son Daniel (Suffocation).
Chris Benoit--June 25, 2007--Suicide by Hanging

wait... Chris Candido died?!?!? WTF :wtf
wow....

[whottt]

Dennis Byrd, Reggie Brown, Michael Irvin, Mike Alstott, John Mobley, Sterling Sharpe, Priest Holmes, Rich Gannon, etc.


Michael Irvin's condition was genetic...


EDIT: You threw me off by using Utley and Stingley, neither of whom died on the field. All the above players had serious neck injuries and most chose retirement instead of risking paralysis, with Alsott being the exception.

I wasn't listing guys that died in the ring or on the field in that particular post...merely major neck of back injuries sustained during a match or game.


And no...player X mysteriously developing herniated disks doesn't count...

I am talking about speciffic injuries than can be pinpointed at the exact same moment they occurred...

In the case of Steve Austin, when Owen Hart botched a pile driver and broke his neck, in the case of Chris Benoit, when Steve Austin botched throwing him into a table, in the case of Sabu, when Chris Benoit botched a leg toss, in the case of Droz, when D-Lo Brown botched a running power slam...when the UnderTaker botched a slam on Shawn Michaels during a casket match.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure...and feel free to include the totals from the NCAA, NFL, NHL and MLB going back as far as you can...


If you can find 10 of them, combined, I'll be impressed.

Go ahead...prove to me how stupid you are in your next post...by failing to admit the obvious.Wrestling is pretty dangerous, I agree.

But it was pretty easy to find 10 in football.


The annual survey of football deaths and injuries began at Yale University in 1931, moved to Purdue University in 1942 and has been at UNC-Chapel Hill since 1965.

Over the past 70 years, 616 high school and 80 college players have died as a direct result of injuries suffered on the playing field.

That was the from 1931-99. There have been more since then.

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/aug00/mueller11081400.htm

I don't know why you are getting so upset. I just asked a question.

[whottt]

Wrestling is pretty dangerous, I agree.

But it was pretty easy to find 10 in football.



That was the from 1931-99

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/aug00/mueller11081400.htm

I don't know why you are getting so upset. I just asked a question.


High school?

So does this mean I can include backyard wrestling deaths? I'll bet there are over a hundred of them just in this century.

[ChumpDumper]

High school?

So does this mean I can include backyard wrestling deaths? I'll bet there are over a hundred of them just in this century.
That's why I bolded the "80 college players" phrase.

Read before you post next time.

[whottt]

Wrestling is pretty dangerous, I agree.

But it was pretty easy to find 10 in football.



That was the from 1931-99. There have been more since then.

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/aug00/mueller11081400.htm

I don't know why you are getting so upset. I just asked a question.


I got upset because you are too stupid too read...

I asked for a list of deaths on the field or right after the game...

Not because of injuries sustained during a game...as I said originally, the asterisks don't include all the deaths from injuries sustained during the match.

The asterisks are people that died during the match or right after it.

[whottt]

That's why I bolded the "80 college players" phrase.

Read before you post next time.




57 deaths in ring or right after the match...that doesn't include the ones that died in the hospital several days after...from injuries sustaiend in the match



You learn to read first...idiot.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Korey Stringer, Thomas Herrion, Curtis Williams, Chucky Williams, Chuck Hughes, Stone Johnson, Dave Sparks, Howard Glenn, Stan Mauldin.

If you add HGH and coke to a 330 lb. OL/DL, I think the numbers would far exceed wrestling.

Edit: Damn, just on the field? Then it's Hughes, Sparks (died 3 hours after the game -close enough), Mauldin (collapsed in the lockerroom) and Howard Glenn.

I believe if I remember correctly, Stringer and Herrion died on the practice field. I'd count them.

[ChumpDumper]

Aw, hootie -- it's tough when your hero takes a fall isn't it?

Serves your dumb ass right.

I agreed wrasslin' is dangerous.

It's also stupid.

[whottt]

Korey Stringer, Thomas Herrion, Curtis Williams, Chucky Williams, Chuck Hughes, Stone Johnson, Dave Sparks, Howard Glenn, Stan Mauldin.

If you add HGH and coke to a 330 lb. OL/DL, I think the numbers would far exceed wrestling.

Edit: Damn, just on the field? Then it's Hughes, Sparks (died 3 hours after the game -close enough), Mauldin (collapsed in the lockerroom) and Howard Glenn.


Hmmm...of the top of my head, Kori Stringer died after practice and the cause was the heat...

Stone Johnson died 10 days after...




I googled those names...you actually need about 5 more...and then you'll have 10 to compare with the 57 I listed. And that's if I give you heat stroke during practice.

[whottt]

Aw, hootie -- it's tough when your hero takes a fall isn't it?


No..what tough is idiots who can't read that think they're smart.


Serves your dumb ass right.


What exactly serves my dumbas right chump...care to expound on that?


I agreed wrasslin' is dangerous.

It's also stupid.


Compared to what...the NFL? Hockey? Boxing? In what way?
And so are you...

[ChumpDumper]

57 deaths in ring or right after match...that doesn't include the ones that died in the hospital several days after.Actually the website says this.
Wrestlers who died in the ring or shortly after a matchNot very exact.

My stats are just as exact, so you have your 10.

[kobe_bryant]

lita broke her neck

[ancestron]

if he killed his wife friday, his son saturday, and himself on sunday. What did he and his son do during the time after the wife was killed? There's a bunch of time between the death of his wife friday and the kids death saturday. Did they hang out? Did Benoit try to explain to his son what he had done and why? Did Benoit suffocate the kid in his sleep after earning his trust and telling him to go to bed and that everything would be fine? That poor kid must've been dragged through the deepest darkest levels of Hell seeing his father kill his mother, and then to be murdered by your own father. I mean, when you are 7, your Dad is like a golden God too you, and this kids dad was a famous wrestler. What a nightmare. are there any pictures of the wife and kid out there?

[thispego]

Finally... Something that Whottt and Chump can disagree on.

[whottt]

Aw, hootie -- it's tough when your hero takes a fall isn't it?

Actually...it really is Chump...

Especially when you have lowlife whores like yourself who could give two shits about the actual murders and more about grinding an axe with me...


Serves your dumb ass right.


What serves my dumbass right Chump?

Enlighten me.

Benoit commiting a double murder of two innocent people, serves me right?

Because I am wrestling fan? And can be an asshole?(unlike yourself of course)


Wow.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

That's if your list is accurate. One name caught my eye and that name was Babe Zaharias, who some say was the greatest female athlete ever. I'm pretty sure she died of cancer in '56, not in the ring in '57.

[ChumpDumper]

That's if your list is accurate. One name caught my eye and that name was Babe Zaharias, who some say was the greatest female athlete ever. I'm pretty sure she died of cancer in '56, not in the ring in '57.:lmao

Apparently, her husband George was a pro wrestler too. That part is true.

[whottt]

Actually the website says this.Not very exact.

My stats are just as exact, so you have your 10.


Wrong...as I said...the inclusion of Chris Candido who died 6 days after his match, because of an injury sustained during a match, without an asterisk makes it pretty clear the circumstances defined by the asterisk.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong...as I said...the inclusion of Chris Candido who died 6 days after his match, because of an injury sustained during a match, without an asterisk makes it pretty clear the circumstances defined by the asterisk.So what does the inclusion of Babe Zaharias, who died of cancer, with an asterisk mean?

[whottt]

So what does the inclusion of Babe Zaharias, who died of cancer, with an asterisk mean?


It means she probably worked with her husband and some point in the wrestling business...my guess is as a valet or during exhibitions or something...and the asterisk is probably a typo...then again, she just might have died after a match.


I know...she's stupid, like wrestling.

[ChumpDumper]

Tell you what hootie, I'll stick with my numbers from the annual University of North Carolina study of football related deaths that includes NCCA players that may or may not have have died more than six days later, and you stick with you wrestling fan's one time solicitation for information from other wrestling fans for related deaths that may not include deaths six days after the injury but do include cancer deaths of female professional golfers.

[whottt]

Tell you what hootie, I'll stick with my numbers from the annual University of North Carolina study of football related deaths that includes NCCA players that may or may not have have died more than six days later, and you stick with you wrasslin fan's one time solicitation for information from other wrasslin fans for wrasslin related deaths that may not include deaths six days after the injury but do include cancer deaths of female professional golfers.


You do that...and if you can come up with a better list...by all means do so.


As I said originally...it happens all the time in the Indy's. So often, the lists don't even include many of the deaths...you just have to follow it to see how frequently it happens...at least one, every couple of years.

As I said, the list I gave you doesn't even include Quirk who died from a botched shooting star press 2 years ago. And it already includes Benoit.

[ChumpDumper]

It means she probably worked with her husband and some point in the wrestling business...my guess is as a valet or during exhibitions or something...and the asterisk is probably a typo...then again, she just might have died after a match.
Mrs. Mildred (Babe) Didrikson Zaharias, famed woman athlete, died of cancer in John Sealy Hospital here this morning. She was 42 years old.

Mrs. Zaharias had been under treatment since 1953, when the malignant condition was discovered after she had won a golf tournament. The tournament was one named for her -- the Babe Zaharias Open of Beaumont, Tex., where she was reared.

Mrs. Zaharias had fought valiantly against cancer for the last several months. She remained confident almost to the end that she would get well. Her final weeks were relatively free of pain, although the malignancy was general. Physicians here had performed a cordotomy -- a severing of certain nerves -- to relieve her of pain.Yes, she sounds like she could really work a match at the time of her death.
I know...she's stupid, like wrestling.She was a great athlete. The only stupid thing is your continued attempt to portray hers as a ring-related death.

[whottt]

Yes, she sounds like she could really work a match at the time of her death.She was a great athlete. The only stupid thing is your continued attempt to make her a ring-related death.

Hey I just counted the asterisks...I never said it was a perfect list, in fact I was quite clear that it wasn't.


Unless you can provide a better one...shut the fuck up.

[whottt]

So tell me Chump...since Duncan is a wrestling fan...

Does Chris Benoit murdering his wife and child serve his stupid ass right too?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey I just counted the asterisks...I never said it was a perfect list, in fact I was quite clear that it wasn't.


Unless you can provide a better one...shut the fuck up.
How about you provide one that doesn't include female pro golfers that died of cancer?

[ChumpDumper]

So tell me Chump...since Duncan is a wrestling fan...

Does Chris Benoit murdering his wife and child serve his stupid ass right too?If he was stupid enough to idolize Benoit the way you did, yeah.

[whottt]

And by the way...Wrestlers take stage names all the time, and pick names similar to well known people or plays on their names, all the timew...for all we know that woman might have been a partner of George and they were actually trying to pass her off as his wife...

Unless you know the details...you can't disprove anything, it doesn't say anything under "real" name, to indicate that is the same Babe Zariahas.

[whottt]

If he was stupid enough to idolize Benoit the way you did, yeah.

Um...respecting and admiring a guy that headlined just about every benefit for widowed wrestlers wives and kids, or cancer patients in the business, doesn't make me stupid, dumbass.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You need a new list.

Dennis Clary died from a brain tumor, not in the ring.

"Iron" Mike DiBiase?


His death, though the heart attack happened in the ring, was not related to professional wrestling or the match he was in but as a result of a high cholesterol level.

I guess I get Irvin, Stringer and Herrion now...

[whottt]

Link to all Chump predicting Chris Benoit was a latent double murderer?


I am pretty sure you failing to report that bit of clairvoyance to the policie qualifies you as some kind of accessory.

[ChumpDumper]

And by the way...Wrestlers take stage names all the time, and pick names similar to well known people or plays on their names, all the timew...for all we know that woman might have been a partner of George and they were actually trying to pass her off as his wife...

Unless you know the details...you can't disprove anything, it doesn't say anything under "real" name, to indicate that is the same Babe Zariahas.:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

How many Babe Zahariases could there possibly be?

Ok, if there is another Babe Zaharias, certainly another wrestling website would have something listed.


Babe Zaharias

Died: August 9, 1957
**Natural causes, age 42

http://www.1wrestlinglegends.com/finish/1951-1965.htm

So even if it is another Babe Zaharias, she died of natural causes!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

A coworker threw this out there today upon discussion, so obvious but I did not think about it and not sure if it was mentioned in this thread:


Maybe he found out that the child was not his own....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So tell me Chump...since Duncan is a wrestling fan...

Does Chris Benoit murdering his wife and child serve his stupid ass right too?

What does Duncan have to do with anything? Who gives a fuck? This guy was a piece of shit.

Sorry you idolized him, but you need to get over it.

[ChumpDumper]

Link to all Chump predicting Chris Benoit was a latent double murderer?Link to my saying I did predict that.
I am pretty sure you failing to report that bit of clairvoyance to the policie qualifies you as some kind of accessory.Certainly your hero worship of a grown man for Chris Benoit, putting him on the level of David Robinson and the Coyote (okay, above DRob but below the Coyote) even before he killed his famlily qualifies you as some kind of douche.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich: February 18, 1993--Committed suicide.
Dino Bravo: March 11, 1993--Died of gunshot wounds in his living room.
Joey Marella (WWF Referee/Gorilla Monsoon's Son): July 4, 1994--Died in motorcycle accident.
Jerry "Crusher" Blackwell--January 22, 1995--Died of complications from injuries sustained in a road accident.
Big John Studd: March 20, 1995--Died of liver cancer.
Ray Stevens--May 3, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Dick Murdoch--June 14, 1996--Died of heart failure.
Sapphire: September 10, 1996--Died from a heart attack.
Dr. Bill Miller--March 24, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Stan Stasiak: June 12, 1997--Died from heart failure.
Dick "Bulldog" Brower--September 15, 1997--Died of heart failure.
Brian Pillman: October 5, 1997--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease.
Bobo Brazil: January 20, 1998--Died from complications from a stroke.
Louie Spicolli: February 15, 1998--Died from arteriosclerotic heart disease caused by hypertrophic cardiomyopathy syndrome.
Junk Yard Dog: June 2, 1998--Died in a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel.
Sky Low Low [famous midget wrestler]: November 9, 1998--heart failure.
January 31, 1999--Died of colon cancer.
Rick Williams [Renegade in WCW]: February 23, 1999--Died from suicide.
Ravishing Rick Rude: April 20, 1999--Died from heart attack.
Owen Hart: May 23, 1999--Died from 50 foot fall from ceiling to ring.
Brian Hildebrand (WCW Referee Mark Curtis): September 8, 1999--Died after a two year battle with stomach cancer.
Gorilla Monsoon: October 5, 1999--Died from a heart attack.
Bobby Duncum, Jr: January 24, 2000--Drug overdose.
Gordon Solie: July 27, 2000--Died from cancer.
Toru Tanaka: August 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Yokozuna: October 22, 2000--Died from a heart attack.
Johnny Valentine: April 24, 2001--Natural Causes.
Tex McKenzie--May 31, 2001--Died of an aortic aneurysm.
Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy: July 16, 2001--Blood clot in the heart.
Rhonda Singh: August 2, 2001--Drug Overdose which caused a Heart Attack
Blaise Alexander (WCW race car driver): October 4, 2001--Complications from a head injury received in a car race.
"Gentleman" Chris Adams: October 7, 2001--Shot to death.
Helen Hart: November 4, 2001--Complications from a seizure.
Russ Haas: December 15, 2001--Heart Attack.
Wahoo McDaniels: April 18, 2002--Died from complications from renal failure and diabetes.
Lou Thesz: April 28, 2002--Died from natural causes after heart surgery earlier in the year.
Big Dick Dudley: May 16, 2002--Kidney failure
"The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith: May 18, 2002--Died from a heart attack.
Rocco Rock of Public Enemy: September 21, 2002--Heart Attack.
"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig: February 10, 2003--acute cocaine intoxication.
Miss Elizabeth: May 1, 2003--Died from a combination of alcohol and painkillers.
"Classy" Freddie Blassie: June 2, 2003--Unknown
Stu Hart: October 16, 2003--Natural Causes
Hawk [Michael Hegstrand]-- October 19, 2003--Heart Attack
Crash Holly--November 6, 2003--Drug overdose
Larry "Moondog Spot" Booker--November 29, 2003--Collapsed in the ring
Malice/The Wall [Jerry Tuite]--December 6, 2003--acute heart attack
Jack Tunney--January 24, 2004--Heart attack
Hercules--March 6, 2004--Died in his sleep.
James Dudley--Early June 1, 2004--Died of natural causes.
Ray "Big Bossman" Traylor--September 22, 2004--Heart failure.
Chris Candido--April 28, 2005--Blood clot and complications due to surgery.
Lord Alfred Hayes--July 21, 2005--Complications from a series of strokes.
Moondog King [Ed "Sailor" White]--August 26, 2005--Unknown
Eddie Guerrero--November 13, 2005--Enlarged Heart due to years of drug use.
Johnny Grunge of Public Enemy--February 16, 2006--Unknown at this time.
John Tenta [Earthquake]--June 7, 2006--bladder cancer.
Bam Bam Bigelow [Scott Bigelow]--January 19, 2007--Drugs.
Mike Awesome--February 17, 2007--Apparent Suicide.
Bad News Brown--March 6, 2007--Heart Attack
"Big Cat" Ernie Ladd--March 10, 2007--Cancer
"Sensational" Sherri (Martel)--June 15, 2007--Unknown at this time
Nancy "Women" (Sullivan) Benoit--June 25, 2007--Strangulation. Died at home with Chris Benoit and their son Daniel (Suffocation).
Chris Benoit--June 25, 2007--Suicide by Hanging




Holy fucking shit dude, been tryin to cut back cussing on the forum but holy fucking shit


Pillman, Junk Yard Dog, Rick Rude, Tanaka, Singh, British Bull dog, Mr Perfect, Big Bossman and Chris Candido?!?!?!? All dead?????? Holy fucking shit....i had no idea
jesus christ
holy fucking shit

[whottt]

:

So even if it is another Babe Zaharias, she died of natural causes!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Hey...I don't recall listing the speciffic cause of death..only the time and place of the occurrence.


And yes...it could have been a woman calling herself that to draw...they do it all the time.

There was fake diesel, a fake Sting, a fake Razor Ramone...wrestlers choose plays on famous names all the time.

[whottt]

What does Duncan have to do with anything? Who gives a fuck? This guy was a piece of shit.

Sorry you idolized him, but you need to get over it.


Um...assholes acting like I should have seen this coming is what I can't get over...

Unless you correctly predicted it too...who in the fuck are you to lecture me.

And Duncan's a wrestling fan...deal with it.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You sent me a link where there's hundreds of names and 1 out of every 30 (if that) has an asterick that indicates they died in the ring.

I'm not about to count everyone that has or hasn't. Steroids and cocaine kill in wrestling - not slams.

As for whether they take a beating, I'll conceed to you they take more punishment than I thought. Whether it's worse than football, I still say no way. Other sports - baseball how are you going to take a beating really? nba - no one is trying to jump off a top turnbuckle on to a guy 12 feet below. I never said those. I said football. And football takes more of a beating.

I do remember Sid Justice's video of snapping his leg though - pretty nasty. But football, guys snap their leg everyday.

Dude i dont know what type of ground you think you are standingb on but in the world of people with brains its not very solid. What's this mutually exclusive bull crap you keep babbling about? Noone will argue that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc, but to try to seriously pull off an argument that wrestlers don't take a beating, and don't die because of said beatings is ridiculous. You owned yourself in your own first sentence. I flashed down the link whottt provided and saw 5 or 6 asterisks, 2 of which were in the 40-60's and the rest were early 90's. Show me football deaths on the field for teh early 90s, then I will show you every asterisked name on that list from the early 90s and we will crunch real numbers.
You're standing on quicksand.

[whottt]

Link to my saying I did predict that.Certainly your hero worship of a grown man for Chris Benoit, putting him on the level of David Robinson and the Coyote (okay, above DRob but below the Coyote) even before he killed his famlily qualifies you as some kind of douche.


No...you thinking Benoit's wife and child deserved to die to teach me some kind of lesson is what qualifies you as a douche.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey...I don't recall listing the speciffic cause of death..only the time and place of the occurrence.


And yes...it could have been a woman calling herself that to draw...they do it all the time.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

Oh man, I'm tearing up i'm laughing so hard.

So now your contention is that wrestling is the most dangerous activity because of the greater chance of dying from natural causes during a match.

[whottt]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Oh man, I'm tearing up i'm laughing so hard.

So now your contention is that wrestling is the most dangerous activity because of the greater chance of dying from natural causes during a match.


No...my contention is that you are an intellectually dishonest stupid fuck...who thinks women and children deserve to die to teach me lessons because I continually bust your ass for being an intellectually dishonest stupid fuck.

[ChumpDumper]

No...you thinking Benoit's wife and child deserved to die to teach me some kind of lesson is what qualifies you as a douche.Nah, the deaths are tragic. The fact you loved the guy who did it is at once entertaining and pathetic.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So has there been any word if they will do a paternity test on this kid? Or is that impsosible now that he's dead.

[ChumpDumper]

"Iron" Mike DiBiase -- also from your list.

DiBiase made his professional debut in 1956 and was one of the few professional wrestlers to die during a match. On July 2, 1969 in Amarillo, Texas, “Iron" Mike suffered a fatal heart attack in the ring during a match with Man Mountain Mike. Harley Race, realizing that he was suffering a heart attack, attempted to perform CPR on DiBiase and then rode in the ambulance to the hospital with him. DiBiase was pronounced dead at the Hospital. His death, though the heart attack happened in the ring, was not related to professional wrestling or the match he was in but as a result of a high cholesterol level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DiBiase

Eh, maybe it was someone else using his name.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Any relation to the million dollar man?

We should just rename this to the official wrestling thread.

[whottt]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

How many Babe Zahariases could there possibly be?




Read the list again...do you see that listed as being her real name...


That's listed as the wrestling name. Not the real name.


It happens all the time in the Wrestling business...

They do it to draw, wrestlers lie about their names to get a wrestling gig. PRomoters give their wrestlers similar names to famous people or famous wrestlers to get fans to come to the shows...they do it for publicity.


It could be a typo...it could be they don't know what the hell they are doing...it couild be something that was misconstrued...


Would it have been better if I just said there were 57 deaths without lising names like you did with your football deaths?


Yeah...shut the fuck up. Goddamn you suck.

[ChumpDumper]

Ron Dupree -- also from your list.


Ron Dupree died of an in ring heart attack while announcing a bout in Tacoma, Washington.

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/r/ron-dupree.html

I'm sure it was a different guy.

[whottt]

Ok...according to wrestling legends there were 57 deaths in the ring or just after the match.

Better now? That's equvalent to your football list.

[whottt]

Any relation to the million dollar man?

We should just rename this to the official wrestling thread.


Yeah...it's Mike DiBiase...his dad I think.



Lots of Wrestling haters here...you should have seen them before you got here...

Was fucking hilarious when Duncan did the interview about what a big wrestling fan he is.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have come to the conclusion that ChumpDumper (whilst aptly named) is actually a computer program, not unlike a bot, who responds to someone with a strong opinion about anything and uses infinite resources on the web to refute them and piss them off by refuting their refutations of his refutes. This explains the ChumpDumper's inability to "state" something or give an "indepenedent opinion" about anything related to anything whatsoever on this forum.

But Whottt/ChumpDumper feuds are one of the reasons I came from Spursreport to Spurstalk. Funny stuff right here. But it is sad that it had to happen in a serious thread.

[whottt]

The fact you loved the guy who did it is at once entertaining and pathetic.

Damn...just, damn.

[whottt]

I
But Whottt/ChumpDumper feuds are one of the reasons I came from Spursreport to Spurstalk. Funny stuff right here. But it is sad that it had to happen in a serious thread.


What can I say...some people are entertained by tragedy...like Chump.

[whottt]

"Iron" Mike DiBiase -- also from your list.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DiBiase

Eh, maybe it was someone else using his name.


And you don't know many of those deaths you listed for football were fatguys out in 120 degree heat dying of heatstroke.

Mike DiBiase was a wrestler by the way.


Wrestling is more dangerous..it's much more dangerous than football, they do it every night, they jump off cages hit each other with chairs, drop each other on their heads...night after night.

How you can compare that to guys that play once a week in full padding is beyond me...it's not even close.

I could argue that every wrestler that dies of a heart attack from prescription painkillers(which is most of them) is dying becuase of wrestling related injuries.

[whottt]

So has there been any word if they will do a paternity test on this kid? Or is that impsosible now that he's dead.


I don't think paternity had anything to do with it...Benoit just lost it somewhere along the way. Maybe he always was that way...but it's just hard for me to believe. In any case...what he did was horrible and inexcusable...and while some of the previously owned may try to use these deaths to get back at previous losses and say I am defending him...I'm not.

Benoit deserved to die for what he did, it was monstrous...the reason I am not hating over it is because...he's dead.

IF he was alive and trying to get out of it...I'd be at the front of the hater line...probably moreso since I was actually a fan. Since he's dead...I can't wish death on him.

[clambake]

Hey Whottt, haven't read the whole thread but you would probably know the answer.

A reporter stated that the dad had apparently been injecting his son with growthe hormone. Do you know id that's accurate? I just heard it.

[ChumpDumper]

Emiko Kado -- also from your list
It was announced at 9:35am on April 9, 1999 that twenty three year old ARSION rookie Emiko Kado had died. Kado suffered a serious injury from a blow to the head when she was working a tag team match on March 31 in Fukuoka teaming with Michiko Ohmukai against the veteran team of Mariko Yoshida and Mikiko Futagami.
http://homepages.which.net/~james.phillips/kado.htm

Scratch another one then, although maybe someone with the same name died on the same day but was injured later than the 31st.

....and wasn't a professional golfer....

[whottt]

Hey Whottt, haven't read the whole thread but you would probably know the answer.

A reporter stated that the dad had apparently been injecting his son with growthe hormone. Do you know id that's accurate? I just heard it.



They don't know what he was injecting him with yet...they just know the boy had needle marks in his arms...the results of what it was will be out next week.

They suspect it was HGH, and they were doing it because the kid had dwarfism...

[clambake]

They don't know what he was injecting him with yet...they just know the boy had needle marks in his arms...the results of what it was will be out next week.

They suspect it was HGH, and they were doing it because the kid had dwarfism...
I saw the family on some video footage. I didn't notice that. Is that a proper way to treat dwarfism? Sounds strange.

[whottt]

I saw the family on some video footage. I didn't notice that. Is that a proper way to treat dwarfism? Sounds strange.


Um...it sounds like a pretty fucked up thing to do to me. I don't know maybe it is a treatment for dwarfism...I didn't think there was anything they could do for it other than that operation where they cut their bones in the arms and legs and force the bones to grow back longer.

[whottt]

FWIW I just read that Dwarfism is(or can be) caused by HGH deficiency...I don't know if it's a treatment.

[clambake]

I just looked it up. HGH was initally approved by the FDA as a treatment for dwarfism in small children. no shit

[whottt]

Ron Dupree -- also from your list.



http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/r/ron-dupree.html

I'm sure it was a different guy.


Have you ever actually watched a wrestling match?


Wrestlers work as Special Refs and announcers...they also still wrestle, they get involved in the matches just like wrestlers. They even *gasp* impact the outcome of the match from time to time...would you believe that?

[whottt]

I just looked it up. HGH was initally approved by the FDA as a treatment for dwarfism in small children. no shit
\


Don't let timvp hear you say that...he was using that to gear up for his future as an Iranian stoner(the real kind)...

[timvp]

This wrestler was just misunderstood. F the wife and the dwarf.

[whottt]

Here...

Anyone that thinks men hitting each other in full pads once a week is in any way equivalent to doing this shit night after night...with minimal pads...

Well, you go right ahead and think that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FH4IIJJFgA&mode=related&search=

[timvp]

I think it was either concussions or maybe Hulk Hogan set him up

[whottt]

hate first, then get the facts, and whottt is defending Benoit being a murderer inspite of the fact that he hasn't actually defended Benoit being a murderer, the link is this thread

[timvp]

I can't believe a dwarf got in the way of this guy's wrestling career

[Vertigo]

This guy is in the OJ club as far as I'm concerned.

[timvp]

ATLANTA -- In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.

"I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."

McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.

I guess he solved that problem, right whottt?

[ChumpDumper]

Stanley Stasiak - also from the list. This is from the bio at the same site.


A couple of months later, on Thursday, September 3, 1931, Stasiak wrestled for Mickailoff against former world champion Ed Don George. In its preview of the match, the Star described Stasiak as "the greatest showman in the game" and labelled the bout a "grudge fight" -- Stasiak was said to have been hospitalized in January after a match with George in Buffalo.

The Toronto show drew 7,500 fans to the Arena Gardens. The Globe described the match as "a gruelling struggle" and "a rough-and-tumble affair" which saw George win in straight falls. He took the first in 41:28 after a number of flying tackles and the second in just 3:10. What wasn't apparent to the audience was that Stasiak had suffered a broken arm during the bout, but it wasn't considered to be anything serious at the time. "The biggest crowd of the season applauded George till their hands were sore and then went home saying what they thought about Stasiak," reported the Star.

Leaving Toronto, Stasiak headed for Montreal, but he never got that far. His arm had become infected and blood poisoning had set in. He was hospitalized in Belleville on Monday, September 7 with the Globe reporting that his arm was "in a dangerous condition." He underwent surgery on Wednesday with another round on Thursday by a specialist brought in by Mickailoff, but it didn't stop his condition from getting worse. The blood poisoning spread from Stasiak's arm to his shoulder and down his right side. On Friday, the Star reported that Stasiak was "seriously ill." The next day, it said his wife was by his side in Belleville.

Stasiak never left Belleville and died there on Sunday, September 13 at age 36.

http://www.garywill.com/toronto/stasiak.htm


Too much time. Doesn't count.

[kris]

Dude i dont know what type of ground you think you are standingb on but in the world of people with brains its not very solid. What's this mutually exclusive bull crap you keep babbling about? Noone will argue that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc, but to try to seriously pull off an argument that wrestlers don't take a beating, and don't die because of said beatings is ridiculous. You owned yourself in your own first sentence. I flashed down the link whottt provided and saw 5 or 6 asterisks, 2 of which were in the 40-60's and the rest were early 90's. Show me football deaths on the field for teh early 90s, then I will show you every asterisked name on that list from the early 90s and we will crunch real numbers.
You're standing on quicksand.

Ok, you're right I am on quicksand. I need to stop trying to prove several things about pro wrestling with middle aged men on the internet. I've also gone so much over my monthly post quota that I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make anymore.

So one last response.

a. Whott argued contradicted his argument, but then argued "that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc." So there's your no one will argue wrestlers die because of drugs.

b. You say this, "Noone will argue that wrestlers die cuz of drugs, etc, but to try to seriously pull off an argument that wrestlers don't take a beating, and don't die because of said beatings is ridiculous." - after I said this "As for whether they take a beating, I'll conceed to you they take more punishment than I thought. Whether it's worse than football, I still say no way."

c. You say this, "You owned yourself in your own first sentence. I flashed down the link whottt provided and saw 5 or 6 asterisks, 2 of which were in the 40-60's and the rest were early 90's." - and I really don't know what to say to you. 1 - how much could you really know after only a sampling of 5 or 6 astericks when whott claimed there were 57. 2 - I didn't say when the deaths occurred, all I said was that steroids and drugs caused deaths. I never said the astericked deaths didn't happen in the 90s. Did you happen to see the 100s of other non astericked items?

As for which is more dangerous, football or wrestling, I obviously don't have any stats behind me. More people die in wrestling, but wrestlers are wrestling a million times more than football players play football games which you two wrestling aficianados already said. I'm thinking in terms of situations. In a wrestling match, everything is set up and you have practiced over and over how to do a pile driver and so on. In football you have 270 lb linebackers trying to knock your head off, etc. Which is more dangerous in the moment? football. Still, you jump off the top rope 500 times a year, after 10-20 years, you're bound to land wrong. Thus, so you don't interpret this wrong again, I'm conceeding this point.

You owned yourself in your own first sentence.
You're standing on quicksand.

I'm not standing on quicksand, I'm sitting in a chair in front of my laptop. I didn't own myself in my first sentence, what I said was true. Go back and look. Even if I was wrong, I didn't own myself. It just means I was wrong.

I'm stopping now so if I get owned again, I'll just have to deal with it the rest of my life.

[ChumpDumper]

Y'know, most of the wrestlers I was able to look up died from heart attacks during or after the match, not injuries from other wrestlers. So I'm going to have to include all those nontrauma deaths from football too.

[whottt]

I guess he solved that problem, right whottt?

What would be your solution? A bloodletting?


Since concussions don't cause depression or mental disorders in your world...what does?

Evil spirits?


Let me know when you discover fire. We'll talk it out then.

[whottt]

By the way timvp...I applaud your anti-steroid stance...I personally think they are garbage too.

I admire the way you actually fielded a fantasy baseball team from the Steroid Republic without drafting a single roid user...


And...I bet AJ's bench press prowess(which I believe would be the World Record in an official competition) was purely natural too...

Evil Spirits!

[whottt]

Y'know, most of the wrestlers I was able to look up died from heart attacks during or after the match, not injuries from other wrestlers. So I'm going to have to include all those nontrauma deaths from football too.


I never realized it was that easy to keep you occupied for like 6 hours.

I hate to say it slick..but it's already been proven that list doesn't include all the wrestlers that died in the ring either...and it doesn't asterisk all the ones that died from wrestling related injuries...as your list did...you idiot.

Meanwhile...anytime you want to produce some names and causes of death for your list...feel free. I know..less is more...just like Pop benching someone equals them sucking...Steve Kerr and Oberto be damned.

[timvp]

What would be your solution?

I think not killing him would be a start.

[ChumpDumper]

I never realized it was that easy to keep you occupied for like 6 hours. Multitasking.
I hate to say it slick..but it's already been proven that list doesn't include all the wrestlers that died in the ring either...and it doesn't asterisk all the ones that died from wrestling related injuries.It has also been proven to include professional female golfers that died of cancer, wrestlers that died of non-wrestling ailments and wrestlers that died far outside your self-imposed time limit.
Meanwhile...anytime you want to produce some names and causes of death for your list...feel free. That wasn't what you asked me to do. Why do you constantly move the goldposts and pretend there are multiple Babe Zahariases and make excuses for Benoit's being a fucking scumbag killer?

[timvp]

By the way timvp...I applaud your anti-steroid stance...I personally think they are garbage too.

I admire the way you actually fielded a fantasy baseball team from the Steroid Republic without drafting a single roid user...


And...I bet AJ's bench press prowess(which I believe would be the World Record in an official competition) was purely natural too...

Evil Spirits!

More excuse making? Now its steroids who killed the wife and kid?

Just promise me whottt that you'll never become a fan of timvp.

First Raffy, then Juan Gone, then the Cavs and then this guy. Keep these anti-jinx posts flowin'.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

I guess whottt can say I told you so if AJ kills his wife and kids.

[timvp]

I guess whottt can say I told you so if AJ kills his wife and kids.

Naw with as much anti-jinxing whottt has given AJ over the years, AJ will probably win ten more championships and then become the leader of the free world before finally God just hands him over the reigns to the universe.

[whottt]

Multitasking.It has also been proven to include professional female golfers that died of cancer, wrestlers that died of non-wrestling ailments and wrestlers that died far outside your self-imposed time limit.
Prove who it was then...



That wasn't what you asked me to do.

Um,....if you ever did what I'd asked you to do you'd still be fucking yourself...from like, 5 years ago.



Why do you constantly move the goldposts and pretend there are multiple Babe Zahariases and make excuses for Benoit's being a fucking scumbag killer?


Um...the argument you are involved in with me has nothing to do with Benoit being a scumbag killer...

It has to do with whether or not wrestling is more physically destructive than football...




Benoit is a scumbag killer...I hate him and wish he were dead.

At least the death of his wife and child served a valuable purpose of teaching me and Tim Duncan a lesson about kicking Chump's ass in message board arugments.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe George Zaharias wheeled cancer-stricken Babe in a gurney to ringside where he strangeld her in a fit of roid and concussion feuled rage during a match because their kid was mentally challenged and small.

Or maybe Babe was actually the name of the mentally challeged kid and George strangled it in a fit of roid and concussion feuled rage during a match because it was mentally challenged and small.

Prove it didn't happen!

[ChumpDumper]

At least the death of his wife and child served a valuable purpose of teaching me the true story of the tragic roid rage murder of the greatest female golfer of the early 20th century during a wrestling match.

[whottt]

I apologize for being a wrestling fan...

I promise to be more like timvp and Kris from this day forward and follow only clean steroid free non-violent sports that are played by model citizens...like the NFL.


I also apologize for not realizing Chris Benoit was a killer before he did it...and for being misguided by the numerous good deeds he did for virtually his entire career prior to the murderers...I should have seen he was a murderer in advance...like Chump and Timvp.


And finally...



In the future...

The next time I see a quiet, private, fundamentally excellent athlete, with an uncompromising will to win, who is considered boring and lacking in personality, and ratings poison(*and therefore unworthy of being a champion)...I promise to realize he is a muderer in advance and hate him...like timvp and chump. I mean...I should be able to tell by all the other violence going on in the sport...just like them.

[ChumpDumper]

Next time you hear about a family dead in their house, play the percentages and figure one of the family members did it. And if one of those family members has a history of steroid use....

....before you go into a three hour eulogy posthumously sucking the killer's cock.

[whottt]

Next time you hear about a family dead in their house, play the percentages and figure one of the family members did it.

Convict before any facts are out...got it...because that's smart.



And if one of those family members has a history of steroid use....


You mean...if he looks like he did steroids..assume he did...inspite of not a shred of evidence that he has done them other than his occupation and appearance.

I am doing that with AJ now...forgive me?

[ChumpDumper]

So now you're saying Benoit didn't do any steroids? What was your excuse for him again? Oh, the concussions.

Troy Aikman's family better watch out!

[timvp]

I apologize for being a wrestling fan...

I promise to be more like timvp and Kris from this day forward and follow only clean steroid free non-violent sports that are played by model citizens...like the NFL.

kris posted that he is/was a wrestling fan.



I also apologize for not realizing Chris Benoit was a killer before he did it...and for being misguided by the numerous good deeds he did for virtually his entire career prior to the murderers...I should have seen he was a murderer in advance...like Chump and Timvp.

Link to why this is relevant?


And finally...



In the future...

The next time I see a quiet, private, fundamentally excellent athlete, with an uncompromising will to win, who is considered boring and lacking in personality, and ratings poison(*and therefore unworthy of being a champion)...I promise to realize he is a muderer in advance and hate him...like timvp and chump. I mean...I should be able to tell by all the other violence going on in the sport...just like them.

:dramaquee

[whottt]

So now you're saying Benoit didn't do any steroids?

Read this thread?






What was your excuse for him again? Oh, the concussions.

Troy Aikman's family better watch out!


I have made not a single excuse for his actions in this thread after it was revealed he was a murderer.

But you guys keep glossing this as something similar to OJ Simpson...

Well #1. OJ Simpson didn't kill his own innocent child.

#2. OJ didn't kill himself.

[whottt]

So now you're saying Benoit didn't do any steroids? What was your excuse for him again? Oh, the concussions.

Troy Aikman's family better watch out!


Benoit had never failed a steroid test or been linked to steroid usage...

He'd also never lost his temper and gotten into an altercation that was publicly revealed. In a business fraught with guys losing their tempters.

He was considered to be one of the most selfless and good guys in the business...by people both in and out of the business.


The only sign he did roids was the fact that he looked like a Cro-Magnon compared to when he first broke into wrestling...

Still, I was pretty certain he did roids...but I've known a lot of people that did roids...that didn't become murderers.

As I said...roids are the drug of jocks...not druggies.

[whottt]

And just to nip it in the bud before it begins again...

I hate Benoit and I hope he dies.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry you idolized a scumbag killer, dude.

[timvp]

And just to nip it in the bud before it begins again...

I hate Benoit and I hope he dies.

The wrestler or the son? :rolleyes

[johnsmith]

This is the best thread I've ever read. Seriously, I've never read all 14 pages of a thread before.


By the way, Whott, you're an idiot.

Not all the time, but in this thread, you're an idiot.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

blah
So you did or didn't say that wrestlers don't die from the accumulated slamming?

(damn cbf is pullin a chumpdumper)

[whottt]

Sorry you idolized a scumbag killer, dude.


And I am sorry that you get satisfaction out of that...I am also sorry that you get satisfaction out of his wife and child dying becuase you think it has taught me some kind of lesson. It hasn't...I find zero fault with myself over this...and plenty with Benoit. I do not feel guilty for respecting and admiring a murderer...before he was a murderer. And it's not going to change the ways or whys of why I respect people in the slightest bit...

I also respect David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Emmitt Smith and quite a few other athletes...not to mention still admire and respect other wrestlers and will continue to do so in the future...

In fact, the only thing this argument has taught me...is that you and timvp will stoop to levels I never dreamed of such as whoring the deaths of innocent women and children, just to settle other grudges...I think I'll take it easy on you guys in the future, because obviously, while I may be aware of where the line is...you guys actually aren't.

And the only guilt I actually feel responsible for in this thread...is the gutter you guys have crawlled into in this thread in an attempt to claim some kind of scoreboard. I must really be an asshole for you guys to sink this low to claim board. I'll be nicer in the future....


PS...for all the people that talk about how stupid wrestling is...I've been doing an ad libbed Rick Flair impersonation on this forum for the entire time I've been here, complete with swerves and an idefinable line between bullshit takes and real ones, heel turns and face turns...and you guys have never stoped biting on it, not for a single second...so who's the stupid wrestling fan?

[johnsmith]

I personally believe that the greatest wrestling athletic achievment of all time wasn't multiple super bowls for Joe Montana, or the first 4 minute mile, or even the fastest ever marathon time.

Clearly, this honor goes to the time Hulk Hogan bodyslammed Andre the Giant.

Or maybe the time that Jimmy "Superfly" Snukka and the Junkyard Dog finally got over on Rowdy Roddy Piper.


I remember these things because I watched them when I was a kid.........which is what wrestling is for...........kids.

[johnsmith]

so who's the stupid wrestling fan?


Still you.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Wow dude I wish I could learn how to post just like you. Such wit.

[johnsmith]

PS...for all the people that talk about how stupid wrestling is...I've been doing an ad libbed Rick Flair impersonation on this forum for the entire time I've been here, complete with swerves and an idefinable line between bullshit takes and real ones, heel turns and face turns...and you guys have never stoped biting on it, not for a single second...so who's the stupid wrestling fan?


See the thing about this is that Rick Flair has the luxury of doing these things on camera so that you can actually see his facial expressions (plus we all know it's an act). When you do it on an internet message forum, you just come off like an idiot.

[timvp]

I also respect David Robinson, Tim DuncanNooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo......:depressed

is that you and timvp will stoop to levels I never dreamed of such as whoring the deaths of innocent women and childrenLink?

Everytime I've come into this thread is because you've called me out. And what have I said that is over a line that you hadn't already crossed?


PS...for all the people that talk about how stupid wrestling is...I've been doing an ad libbed Rick Flair impersonation on this forum for the entire time I've been here, complete with swerves and an idefinable line between bullshit takes and real ones, heel turns and face turns...and you guys have never stoped biting on it, not for a single second...so who's the stupid wrestling fan?Yeah and I've played the role of Earthquake complete with the Earthquake Splash.

:smokin

[timvp]

When did CBF turn into whottt's tag team partner?

[whottt]

See the thing about this is that Rick Flair has the luxury of doing these things on camera so that you can actually see his facial expressions (plus we all know it's an act). When you do it on an internet message forum, you just come off like an idiot.


I'm sorry...but who exactly are you again?

I don't recall ever reading a take of yours prior to this thread...

[whottt]

I remember these things because I watched them when I was a kid.........which is what wrestling is for...........kids.



http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/articlephotos/timflairhbk.jpg


So I guess that makes you the dung beetle that eats the shit of other dung beetles...

Props.

[whottt]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. ....:depressed
Link?

Everytime I've come into this thread is because you've called me out. And what have I said that is over a line that you hadn't already crossed?

Yeah and I've played the role of Earthquake complete with the Earthquake Splash.

:smokin


I'm sorry timvp. Whatever you say man, you win :)

You too Chump :)

[timvp]

I'm sorry timvp. Whatever you say man, you win :)

You too Chump :)

No really, what did I say that you found so deplorable? I didn't say you deserved it or say that it was karma.




P.S.

Earthquake is dead too?!? I loved being that guy in that one video game back in the day:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

I said he was stupid.

I guess I win.

And after his wanting members of my family to die in a nuclear bomb blast, I don't feel to bad about this at all.

[Bear Grylls]

I think Whottt is the bigget douche on Spurstalk, but I have no idea why he is getting bashed in this thread.

Reports came out that Benoit was dead along with his wife and son, nothing else was revealed what happend or how they died so Whottt still defended him. Whottt is a wrestling fan and liked this Benoit character, which BTW had done many charitible events and had a clean history as far as the public knew.

Once ALL the reports came out that the guy indeed murdered his wife and son, Whottt did not defend him, he actually called him a coward for what he did. You guys are grilling Whottt because he waited till all the reports were out before he stopped defending this Benoit guy.

[Chris Childs]

First off..

How does anyone know that Benoit killed his wife and son? Did he confess or something? Oh wait...he couldn't because he was DEAD!

Speculation at its purest form.

No one knows what happened. Instead of hearing ''He killed his wife and son'' I want to hear ''He DID kill his wife and son''. And the only time I will actually believe he did kill his wife and son, the word '' BELIEVE'' better not come up at all. I'm DONE.

SMH at you ST posters....too gullible.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When did CBF turn into whottt's tag team partner?



I hated Benoit and said it was lame that a serious thread got turned into another battle in the war that is Whottt-CD. But it was funny.

I just think Kris was off base for making a half assed attempt to downplay the beating these guys go through, and its pretty obvious CD is just being CD for the sake of pissing whotttt off.
Coincidentally it looks like I'm in the minority of posters in this thread who were werestling fans in a post-adolescent phase.

But nice job with the pun :smokin

[whottt]

No really, what did I say that you found so deplorable? I didn't say you deserved it or say that it was karma.




P.S.

Earthquake is dead too?!? I loved being that guy in that one video game back in the day:depressed



Youl pulled the I am defending Benoit card and happy his kid died...you were sniping.

I got about 3 posts into this thread before I posted and the only thing that was said at that point where I stopped reading was that Benoit and his family had been murdered...

And I reacted like everyone else that had followed his career. Shocked and sad...seriously. Up this point this guy had been a good dude in his career except for stealing another man's wife(which trust me, in my experience, that usually has a lot more to do with the woman wanting out and going after that man than the man trying to break up the marriage and take another man's wife).


I just don't get the you're happy a kid died smack...I man c'mon...I haven't said anything remotely resembling that in this thread. And I don't think it's funny. To me that crosses a line.

[timvp]

Youl pulled the I am defending Benoit card and happy his kid died...you were sniping.

I got about 3 posts into this thread before I posted and the only thing that was said at that point where I stopped reading was that Benoit and his family had been murdered...

And I reacted like everyone else that had followed his career. Shocked and sad...seriously. Up this point this guy had been a good dude in his career except for stealing another man's wife(which trust me, in my experience, that usually has a lot more to do with the woman wanting out and going after that man than the man trying to break up the marriage and take another man's wife).


I just don't get the you're happy a kid died smack...I man c'mon...I haven't said anything remotely resembling that in this thread. And I don't think it's funny. To me that crosses a line.You started the kid smack when you thought you found a justification for the wrestling shooting up his son with drugs. Yeah, the kid might have needed some sort of medication, but I think it's safe to say that the wrestler shouldn't have the benefit of the doubt at this time.

Or do you disagree with that too?


Don't let timvp hear you say that...he was using that to gear up for his future as an Iranian stoner(the real kind)...Did you forget when you called me back into the thread using the kid as bait?

[timvp]

And remind me who pulled the personal heritage/voodoo smack :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

First off..

How does anyone know that Benoit killed his wife and son? Did he confess or something? Oh wait...he couldn't because he was DEAD!

Speculation at its purest form.

No one knows what happened. Instead of hearing ''He killed his wife and son'' I want to hear ''He DID kill his wife and son''. And the only time I will actually believe he did kill his wife and son, the word '' BELIEVE'' better not come up at all. I'm DONE.

SMH at you ST posters....too gullible.

Over the past weekend, authorities said, Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine cable in the couple’s suburban home.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

TONIGHT ON SPURSTALK


Timvp and chumpdumper pit their fury against whottt and CBF, two unlikely allies--CAGE match--tag team title belts on the line..........I think I may have to call up an ally from the Mookie Crew to nail one of you guys with the steel chair and take the easy win.

[whottt]

And after his wanting members of my family to die in a nuclear bomb blast, I don't feel to bad about this at all.


Oh fuck off Chump...I had no fucking clue where you family lived, I didn't have the first fucking clue of anything about you...you intejected them into argument like I am supposed to have ESP or something...


I said fuck South Korea...they want us gone, so let's leave and let them fend for themselves against North Korea. Fuck em.

You come up with...


"why do you want my family to die"

Like I know where you family is from or where they live.

You made it personal and used your own family in that argument...not me.

For all you know you've insulted my family a thousand times and wished death on them endlessly...

[whottt]

You started the kid smack when you thought you found a justification for the wrestling shooting up his son with drugs. Yeah, the kid might have needed some sort of medication, but I think it's safe to say that the wrestler shouldn't have the benefit of the doubt at this time.

Or do you disagree with that too?

Did you forget when you called me back into the thread using the kid as bait?



Scroll back...it started before then. And you did rush to judgement on the HGH thing...

[whottt]

And remind me who pulled the personal heritage/voodoo smack :lol


Voodoo?

That was after you pulled the want to see the child dead crap...and I don't really think I slammed personal heritage there. Just your fantasy baseball team. Shit I drafted some Dominicanss too... including one who is pretty assured of having used steroids at some point. I just don't get the roid high horse you were on...it seems like you are judging wrestling because of all the roid usage...but it's just as prevalent in MLB and the NFL.

[whottt]

CD is just being CD for the sake of pissing whotttt off.

Hmmm Chump is descending to some low cheap levels to piss me off...and he knows it.

I guess because I said fuck the US Military defending South Korea(when they protest our military and want us out) and because he has family there and I didn't have ESP to realize it...and he took a political statement personally. He made it personal.

[timvp]

Scroll back...it started before then.

No it didn't. I didn't post in the thread in pages 10-13 until you called me out.


And you did rush to judgement on the HGH thing...

And uh, so did you:


This poor kid...not only did he suffer from physical deformity, he was fucking being injected with that crap by an unaccepting dad (and maybe mom as well), and then he got to see his mother brutally murdered before being choked to death.


This is possibly the most fucked up murder I have ever heard of.

It definitely wasn't just a case of roid rage...

Forgot?

And by the way, no way this wrestler deserves the benefit of the doubt. He has to earn that back.

Unless you put it past a guy who killed his wife and son to inject drugs in his son.

[whottt]

Anyway...future double murderer watch based on athletes whottt likes:
In sports:
David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Bruce Bowen
Tony Parker
Robert Horry
Emmitt Smith
Roy Williams
Vince Young

And of course...Brent Barry.

In wrestling:
Ivan Putski
Rick Flair
Terry Funk
Tully Blanchard

I like all those guys more than Benoit...Benoit was just my favorite active, that can still wrestle.

Heaven help their families.

[timvp]

Voodoo?

That was after you pulled the want to see the child dead crap...and I don't really think I slammed personal heritage there. Just your fantasy baseball team. Shit I drafted some Dominicanss too... including one who is pretty assured of having used steroids at some point. I just don't get the roid high horse you were on...it seems like you are judging wrestling because of all the roid usage...but it's just as prevalent in MLB and the NFL.

Link? Where have I judged wrestling on a whole? I've said a high percentage of wrestler die early, with steroids being a main culprit.

And I've judged this particular wrestler who killed his own wife and kid.

[whottt]

Earlier:


[quote]Just so we are clear on this...

I am not defending Benoit




That's what it looks like in this thread: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72381




:td

There shouldn't be any excuse making. No amount of pain relievers, steroids, anti-depressants, concussions, road wariness, cocaine or whatever the excuse of the moment is can explain killing your wife and kid over a period of days and living with their rotting carcases in your home.

No excuses. He was pathetic excuse for a human being who went out in the most cowardly way possible. End of story.



I don't see that. It's huge news in the NBA if a guy shoots a gun straight up in the air. You can't compare that to this.

If you want to say something is wrong with wrestling because a lot of them end up dead before they reach the age of 50, then you can say that. Perhaps only the NFL can boast anything close to such a legacy ... and even they're not really close.


You were on some kick about me defending Benoit from the get go....


And my comment that you think was a call out was your conjecture that concussions, head injuries and stuff like that isn't an excuse for this kind of behaviour...


I wasn't making an excuse...just finding the cause.

Let's say Benoit was always a murderer and held back...what made him finally stop holding back? What removed those inhibitions? Lost his temper? For 2 days?




A lot of ther people are making "excuses" saying it was roids...maybe so, but this doesn't read like roid rage to me.

I want to see what the other drugs he was on were...they said they found prescription drugs.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that one of them was an anti-depressant or psychoactive med...like that VT Tech dude, like the Columbine killers.

Killing your family and yourself isn't an act of narcisssitic or sociopathic behaviour IMO...cold blooded murder. That kind of murder involves killing someone else and then trying to get away with it, and not feeling any remorse over what you did, not caring what you did...this isn't that kind of murder...because he killed himself afterwards.

[timvp]

You were on some kick about me defending Benoit from the get go....

What does that have to do with the supposed kid smack?

[whottt]

whottt:

And my comment that you think was a call out was your conjecture that concussions, head injuries and stuff like that isn't an excuse for this kind of behaviour...


They can cause this kind of behaviour. They can cause schitzophrenia, depression...all sort of shit.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's taken some reflection, but of this I am certain. whottt is really an actor and we've all seen his work:

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/44/57/0000004457_20060919223632.jpg

[gtownspur]

Sorry you idolized a scumbag killer, dude.


Yes he did rearry. He idorized this ferra so much longtime.

[gtownspur]

It's taken some reflection, but of this I am certain. whottt is really an actor and we've all seen his work:

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/44/57/0000004457_20060919223632.jpg


Actually, he looks like a fat paleoconservative aggywhorn named Peter aka Marcus Bryant.

[whottt]

Benoit was obviously fucked in the head...you say it was always, I say...I don't think so. But even if you are right...something removed whatever was holding him back from being a murderer his entire life, for essentially no reason...maybe he just lost it, or maybe there was something else that removed those inhibitions.

Even if he was the most self centered cold blooded dude in the world...the dude was pulling in serious jack, they were about to put a title on him that would have set him apart from every other wrestler...he could get all the ass he wanted on the road. And he was famous...he wrestled in what many consider to be the best match in his profession ever at WMXX.

A narcissist isn't going to kill himself in that situation. He might wack his family...but he's damn sure not going to take himself out.

[Marcus Bryant]

I see Coconut has joined the conversation.

[whottt]

LMAO it's classic to see Chump finally finding his level with Gtown and johnsmith...

Way to go Chump...you've arrived.

[gtownspur]

I see Coconut has joined the conversation.


I see the Mookie's favorite photoshopped glazed cinnabon has joined the conversation.(in reference to the photo possesed by Mookie and Cbf having MB covered in sperms.)

[whottt]

Edit: and shcitzboy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, I hope that didn't turn you on, as much as it's been on your mind lately. A gay Latino-hating Latino? Look out.

[whottt]

What does that have to do with the supposed kid smack?


I called you out becuase of your take on concussions...the HGH being a medical treatment was just the quote I used to do it...the kid really had nothing to do with it...and from that point on every other post from you was I wanted to see his kid dead.

[gtownspur]

LMAO it's classic to see Chump finally finding his level with Gtown and johnsmith...

Way to go Chump...you've arrived.


If you mean gtown then you must be talking about greatness!

otherwise, i wouldn't lose sleep over someone criticizing me about not following pro rastlin.

This thread is getting retarded.

Instead of rastlin, why don't you start an argument over natural light and Lonestar, Pork sausage or venison sausage, who has the pertiest cuzin, or whose travel trailer has the most horsepower.

[gtownspur]

Sorry whott.

Rastlin does suck.

[gtownspur]

Damn, I hope that didn't turn you on, as much as it's been on your mind lately. A gay Latino-hating Latino? Look out.


Marcus Bryant covered in Sperms I saiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddd!!!

[gtownspur]

I remember when Marcus Bryant of Spursreport claimed to be black and had his own "club" forum. I miss the fake MB.

[Marcus Bryant]

I remember when gtownspur was sane, I think. Actually I don't remember him at all.

[whottt]

I remember when Marcus Bryant and Gtown used to shut the fuck up.

I remember it fondly.

[whottt]

Oh and...


http://sports.gearlive.com/blogimages/nba_trophy.jpghttp://sports.gearlive.com/blogimages/nba_trophy.jpg http://sports.gearlive.com/blogimages/nba_trophy.jpg http://sports.gearlive.com/blogimages/nba_trophy.jpg

You're welcome.

Sin,

Tim Duncan(Wrasslin' Fan)

[ChumpDumper]

Quality meltdown.

A- because you didn't mention Manu enough.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I see the Mookie's favorite photoshopped glazed cinnabon has joined the conversation.(in reference to the photo possesed by Mookie and Cbf having MB covered in sperms.)


:lmao times five hundred thousand


gtown youre quite the enigma.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Marcus Bryant covered in Sperms I saiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddd!!!


:lmao

i swear guys i didn't steal his password
you just made me spill coca cola all over the work table

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So its Whottt, CBF vs CD and timvp for the belt

timvp is incapacated tangled in the ropes....CBF is unconscious and whottt and CD still going at it albiet at much less frantic rate.


then out of the blue Marcus Bryant dives in from the rafters and knocks whottt out with the steel chair
but while he admires his dirty work and hears the boos from the crowd along comes the most unlikely ally of all, who's this? GTOWNSPUR with a big bucket of mecos over the head of MB to the delight of the crowd.....but we thought he was mortal enemies with cbf and whotttt *JR says Aw mah Gawd!!!! fives times in a row here*

gtown and chumpdumper eye each other from across the ring as we fade to black.


Copyright 2007 spurstalk entertainment.

[whottt]

Quality meltdown.

A- because you didn't mention Manu enough.

You win Chump...anything to keep you out of the gutter. No more ownings...I promise. :)

[whottt]

Today Bret Hart was on the radio and he talked about Benoit. He said Chris was an honest, hard working man, and as long as he knew he him, was the perfect human. He can't understand how he snapped and what pulled the trigger.

Bret also admit to taking riods himself, just when he joined WWE. However during his championship days, he was clean. Completely clean. Even though Chris never came to him and told him he is taking roids, Bret suspected he did them in the past few years to keep up with the younger fighters.


Careful...you're on the verge of being called a murderrer defender and dead child wanterer for displaying anything other than mindless visceral hatred of Benoit....and not wishing death upon him.

Benoit
Must
Die

That is all that matters here.

[ChumpDumper]

You win ChumpAlways do.
anything to keep you out of the gutter. No more ownings...I promise.You mean no more wishing my family vaporized in a nuclear blast?

I simply don't believe you.

[whottt]

Hopefully you'll get out of that gutter soon :)

[sa_butta]

Attorney: Couple argued over care of mentally retarded 7-year-old son

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2918751
ATLANTA -- In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.

"I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."

McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.

He also said Benoit's wife didn't want him to quit wrestling, but she "wanted him to be at home more to care for the kid. She'd say she can't take care of him by herself when he was on the road."

The child suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, McDevitt said.

Over the past weekend, authorities said, Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine cable in the couple's suburban home. No motive was offered for the killings, which were discovered Monday.

Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the slayings. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.

Also Wednesday, Benoit's personal physician said the wrestler did not give any indication he was troubled when he met with the doctor hours before the start of the weekend.

Benoit had been under the care of Dr. Phil Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone levels. Astin said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.

Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of their meeting.

"He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," Astin said. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything."

"I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," Astin said. "He worshipped his child."

District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on the child's neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.

The boy had old needle marks in his arms, Ballard said. He said he had been told the parents considered him undersized and had given him growth hormones.

"The boy was very small, even dwarfed," Ballard said.

The Benoits' argument over their son was not the only friction in their marriage. Nancy Benoit had filed for a divorce in 2003, saying the couple's three-year marriage was irrevocably broken and alleging "cruel treatment." She later dropped the complaint.

Meanwhile, authorities in Georgia were investigating a link between Benoit and a Florida business that may have supplied him with steroids.

Prosecutors in upstate New York who have been investigating the company's drug sales said Benoit received deliveries from Signature Pharmacy and MedXLife.com, which sold steroids, human growth hormone and testosterone on the Internet.

Six people, including two of the pharmacy's owners, have pleaded guilty in the investigation, and 20 more have been arrested, including doctors and pharmacists.

"That's something that sounds like we ought to be investigating," Ballard told the AP on Wednesday.

A lawyer for MedXLife co-owner Dr. Gary Brandwein scoffed at allegations that his client's company sold steroids to Benoit.

"I've only read that in the paper. I have no direct information about that whatsoever," Terence Kindlon said Wednesday, adding that prosecutors in Albany County, N.Y., were trying to "distract everyone's attention from the fact that their case is disintegrating."

Brandwein, a 44-year-old osteopath from Boca Raton, Fla., has pleaded not guilty to six counts in New York state court related to the criminal sale of a controlled substance. He was accused of signing and sending prescriptions without ever seeing patients.

Telephone messages left for attorneys for Brian Schafler and Greg Trotta -- two other co-owners of MedXLife -- were not immediately returned Wednesday. The two men have pleaded guilty to felony third-degree diversion of prescription medications and prescriptions, admitting they helped get drugs in 2006 for customers in upstate New York who had no medical need for them.

McDevitt said the drugs found in Benoit's house were legitimately prescribed. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies," he said.

In addition to causing paranoia and explosive outbursts, steroids can also contribute to deep depression, according to experts.

"Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future."

[whottt]

Well obviously roids played some kind of role here, even if it was only withdrawl depression...

But a lot of guys take roids, and evidentally a lot of them commit suicide because of roid usage...


But taking your own life and taking someone elses are two different things...depression alone doesn't cause someone to deliberately take the life of someone else. That is someone who has lost their sense of right and wrong. It goes against every thing we are taught as human beings. It's not just roids behind this...and I don't think it's just a case of narcisism either.


I can't understand why anyone would ever take steroids...you tell me something is going to make my nuts shrivel up into bb's and that's enough reason for me to stay away from it.


I didn't realize you could still get a presciption for them...but evidentally you can since they said everthing they found in Benoit's house had a legal and legitimate prescription.




I wonder if Benoit's steroid use is what contributed to his son's condition. I've never heard of them doing any kind of chromosome or genetic damage, but it is kind of eerie how his son paid the price for his steroid usage...in more ways than one.

I'm done with it...it's horrible what Benoit did, not only to his wife and child, but also to a fine career and legacy he'd spent his entire life building.

And as a wrestling fan...Benoit was considered to be one of the few good guys in the business...and he's done a lot of damage to the industry now and everyone who relies on it to earn a living. And I know the dude loved wrestling.

It won't suprise me if this is what finally kills the WWE...there might be an initial surge like there was when Owen Hart died...but eventually the reprecussions will do more harm than the temporary publicity does good, the negative pall that hangs over the industry has grown larger, and this was bad bad thing...and there's no Dwayne Johnson and Ted Turner waiting in the wings to save Wrestling this time.


Hopefully this will lead to the mother of all crackdowns on steroid usage in all sports...even if they weren't totally behind what happened here...

You can look at the number of wrestlers who have commited suicide, look at the type of bodies they had...and draw some pretty devastating conclusions about anabolic steroids.

[ChumpDumper]

Hopefully you'll get out of that gutter soon :)Hopefully you'll quit making excuses for killers and wanting my family dead. I don't expect either. :)

[The Red Hood]

And it's a definite that they found needle marks in his son's arms. They think he was injecting him with HGH, the details of what he was being injected with and how long it had been going on, will be released in a couple of weeks.

The kid had dwarfism.


Side note - A derogatory nickname for Benoit and Malenko was the Vanilla Midget.

If they were doing that to this kid for a long time that shows that something was seriously fucked up long before the murders occurred.


This poor kid...not only did he suffer from physical deformity, he was fucking being injected with that crap by an unaccepting dad (and maybe mom as well), and then he got to see his mother brutally murdered before being choked to death.


This is possibly the most fucked up murder I have ever heard of.

It definitely wasn't just a case of roid rage...


His poor son obviously suffered a lot in his young life as brutally as he was murdered maybe it was for the best that he is gone and hopefully in a better place now out of his misery and pain may god rest his soul

[hello13]

The following was posted on RobVanDam.com

Well, there’s no need to wait until we have our heads wrapped around this, because I doubt that’ll happen, so here it is. I know that a monster committed those terrible, unforgivable acts of horror. Just like everyone who knew Chris Benoit, I can’t think of him as a monster. Not Chris.

Chris was truly a role model’s role model. You simply had to respect him and admire his focus and unmatched discipline. If I ever got asked a question about who I looked up to the most in the business, you guessed it. That’s me sharing a real feeling with you. Not talking about bull that I have little interest in, like who would I like most to wrestle with, or what’s my favorite color, but who I actually looked up to in the dressing room. It’s Chris Benoit- in the ring and in the dressing room and with his family.

The last time I talked to Chris, a few weeks ago, he told me how much he respected me for stepping away from the business. His message now comes to me from beyond. He said “Some of us don’t know when to get out.” I told him that I always held a little contempt for him telling me back in 1992 that I was a dumb-ass for wanting to quit WCW, and mentioned the irony.

Over the last several years, on overseas tours I’d always see Chris in the gym when the other guys were recovering from the night before. He’d train hard and sometimes I’d see him allowing young wrestlers to follow his lead and get a guaranteed killer workout. He took pride in what he did and set a great example for others, myself included, to follow.

How many murderers…baby murderers at that… are praised so highly by EVERYONE who knew them? This is all so bizarre and new information seems to come out every few hours but I can’t imagine we’ll ever understand what happened here. It appears that Chris took the answers with him. To tell you the honest truth, the easiest thing for me to believe at this moment is that if no frame work was involved, he was taken over by demonic energies with no compassion. I have to believe this is often the case with such inhumane acts.

Nancy, Daniel and Chris’ tragic deaths obviously have affected a lot of people. Just remember, there’s enough hate in this world. Hateful thoughts do not move us in the right direction, so make a conscious effort to remember that. It’s important now and always.

[whottt]

Hopefully you'll quit making excuses for killers and wanting my family dead. I don't expect either. :)

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better chump :)

[whottt]

page2 espn - By Jemele Hill

You could say what's happened in pro wrestling recently is very Tupac-esque.

Tupac foreshadowed his own death in his 1996 video for "I Ain't Mad At Cha," which was released a few days after he was shot and killed in Las Vegas.

The WWE was in the middle of an elaborate, fake-death story line involving chairman Vince McMahon -- going as far as to put out a press release about it and declare a day of mourning -- when life decided it could trump art.

The WWE got its wish, all right. The pro wrestling world was indeed leveled by a major death, creating the nationwide buzz it so desperately sought. Only this death wasn't staged, it wasn't McMahon's and it pointed to a much more significant problem in the "sport."

The bodies of legendary wrestler Chris Benoit, wife Nancy and 7-year-old son Daniel were discovered Monday after a gruesome murder-suicide. Initially, all three were thought to be victims -- the WWE and USA Network even aired a three-hour tribute to the 22-year wrestling vet -- but it soon became apparent the deaths were executed by Benoit, who strangled his wife and suffocated his child before hanging himself on the portable weight machine in the family's home.

I realize we're supposed to look at pro wrestling as a high-flying version of "The Young and the Restless." But it is inconceivable that, given the appalling number of real wrestling deaths, there would ever be any plot lines involving fake deaths.

The real lives of pro wrestlers, as the Benoit tragedy illustrates, are far more disturbing than anything they could act out in the ring.

Two years ago, Eddie Guerrero was found dead in his Minneapolis hotel room -- medical examiners ruled Guerrero had an enlarged heart, a result of the anabolic steroids he had abused. In 2003, Miss Elizabeth -- the girlfriend of former WCW champion Lex Luger and a one-time fixture in the sport -- overdosed on a combination of pain pills and alcohol. That same year, Curt "Mr. Perfect" Henning died of a cocaine overdose. And in 1999, Owen Hart died while trying to perform a stunt during a pay-per-view event -- the show went on, and because pro wrestling is always full of theatrics, the viewing audience had no idea the mishap it had just witnessed resulted in a real death.

"Personally, I thought the [McMahon] story line was in extremely poor taste from the start," said Phil Lowe, editor of WrestleMag.com, the largest wrestling Web site in the United Kingdom. "I'd like to think a story line such as this should never even be considered again and that the company now focuses on wrestling over far-fetched story lines, as well as paying more attention to the well-being of those who play a massive role in ensuring that the company is such a massive success."

Although pro wrestling makes no illusions about its purpose, the countless deaths suggest it's time to scrutinize what goes on there with the same seriousness as in the NBA or NFL. Pro wrestling is still sports entertainment, which doesn't make it all that different from the sports leagues that don't have predetermined outcomes.

It took Jose Canseco's book, "Juiced," and the BALCO scandal to get Congress to question officials from the NBA, NFL and Major League Baseball. How many more pro wrestlers have to die before Congress gives McMahon, who was charged with conspiring to distribute steroids to his wrestlers, a phone call?

"Depending on what comes out from [Benoit's] toxicology reports, we could see changes implemented or at least changes called for," Lowe said.

Although steroids are poised to be the banner issue that emerges from the Benoit tragedy, the changes that need to be implemented should go further than just drug testing, which WWE already has.

As we've seen with the retired NFL players who have taken their plight to the government, the mental strain that comes from competing in brutal sports -- and despite its being programmed, you could argue pro wrestling is as physically taxing as professional football -- can be debilitating, whether steroids are involved or not.

Many pro wrestlers, as shown in the stunning 1999 documentary "Beyond the Mat," lead lives that are demoralizing, not glamorous. In that documentary, we learn that Jake "The Snake" Roberts -- whose signature "DDT" move I tried many times as a kid -- is just a lonely cocaine addict estranged from his family. Based on the things in "Beyond the Mat," we should almost be surprised when a pro wrestler doesn't die tragically.

"Ultimately, every guy is responsible for his or her own actions," Lowe said. "That said, some of these guys -- especially those at the top of the tree -- are under huge pressure to keep in shape and maintain their physical condition while burning themselves out on the road 200-plus days a year."

It seems the drama in pro wrestling isn't as fake as we'd like to believe.


You know it's weird...
When WCW put the belt on Benoit, he left for WWE. I mean the day after.
When WWE put the belt on Benoit, around that same time he had domestic abuse and divorce issues.
When WWE was about to put one on him again, he snapped and killed his family.


It's almost like he didn't want the pressure and responsibility that comes with wearing the main belt and reacted badly to it in someway, every time it was given to him. Maybe that pressure is what cracked him. It cracked Eddie Gurerro(in a completely different way). And I know people that don't follow wrestling don't get how there is pressure in a "fake" sport...but there is, they put the main belt on guys they expect to draw in paying fans...it's a tremendous responsibility in a "fake" sport...it's like being asked to be the provider for everyone that works for the fed.


Maybe he never wanted to really be champion and just wanted to wrestle in relative anonymity and be well paid for doing it. Dude never had a bad match, not a single one. No exaggeration here either, he never had a bad match.

[Marklar MM]

WCW gave him the belt to try and keep him with WCW...he disliked their management.

[whottt]

WCW gave him the belt to try and keep him with WCW...he disliked their management.


I know...

But he didn't break his contract until they were going to put it on him. Granted...he didn't have the opportunity before, but still...most wrestlers would have tried to stay if they knew they were getting the belt. He didn't...

[whottt]

WCW gave him the belt to try and keep him with WCW...he disliked their management.


And if what I said seems far out...

Eddie Gurerro had a nervous breakdown when he was carrying the belt circa 03, because he wasn't drawing that good...he also nearly killed himself in several matches trying to do so(with a little help from JBL).


It's not something fans talk about much...but it is something wrestlers talk about, especially old school ones. You wear the belt you are expected to put asses in the seat someway, somehow, even if you have to make a complete ass out of yourself in the process of doing it. Drawing is more important than anything else to most wrestlers...and that's how most of them judge their success. Not by how many belts they wore, or how good they were in the ring, or how good they were on the mic...but how many people were paying money to see them. Benoit was pretty much a failure as an American draw(and it was largely his own fault due to his unwillingness to improve on the mic). And he just wanted to be great in the ring. Maybe that failure is what he was trying to avoid again...and maybe he just decided to take his family with him.

[timvp]

You know it's weird...
When WCW put the belt on Benoit, he left for WWE. I mean the day after.
When WWE put the belt on Benoit, around that same time he had domestic abuse and divorce issues.
When WWE was about to put one on him again, he snapped and killed his family.

Logical progression.

[johnsmith]

And if what I said seems far out...

Eddie Gurerro had a nervous breakdown when he was carrying the belt circa 03, because he wasn't drawing that good...he also nearly killed himself in several matches trying to do so(with a little help from JBL).


It's not something fans talk about much...but it is something wrestlers talk about, especially old school ones. You wear the belt you are expected to put asses in the seat someway, somehow, even if you have to make a complete ass out of yourself in the process of doing it. Drawing is more important than anything else to most wrestlers...and that's how most of them judge their success. Not by how many belts they wore, or how good they were in the ring, or how good they were on the mic...but how many people were paying money to see them. Benoit was pretty much a failure as an American draw(and it was largely his own fault due to his unwillingness to improve on the mic). And he just wanted to be great in the ring. Maybe that failure is what he was trying to avoid again...and maybe he just decided to take his family with him.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Wrestling Psychology 101

[whottt]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Wrestling Psychology 101


You can't stay out of this thread to save your life, can you?

Typical of the closet homos that claim to hate wrestling yet really can't get enough manflesh to satisfy their supressed homosexual cravings.

You are closet homo wrestling fan 101. Aintcha boy :lol

[timvp]

I guess where I differ with whottt is whottt attempts to find the reason why he snapped. To me, looking for a reason is pretty much the same as looking for an excuse.

He was on steroids, he had too many concussion, was on anti-depressants, he had too many belts, etc. sound like excuses to me. whottt apparently is searching for an action that caused the reaction of a dead family.

The way I think of it is he was crazy and he just went crazy and his family paid the price. No person who was ever sane could do what he did.

What he did doesn't sound like a guy who snapped, as far as being able to pinpoint the exact cause of the snapping. Sounds to me like crazy went crazy.

Of course, I could be wrong and it could be he couldn't handle his belts or whatever but that doesn't sound logical to me.

[tlongII]

I agree with timvp. Implying that the pressure associated with holding a fake championship made him snap is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on the internets.

[whottt]

I guess where I differ with whottt is whottt attempts to find the reason why he snapped. To me, looking for a reason is pretty much the same as looking for an excuse.

He was on steroids, he had too many concussion, was on anti-depressants, he had too many belts, etc. sound like excuses to me. whottt apparently is searching for an action that caused the reaction of a dead family.

The way I think of it is he was crazy and he just went crazy and his family paid the price. No person who was ever sane could do what he did.

What he did doesn't sound like a guy who snapped, as far as being able to pinpoint the exact cause of the snapping. Sounds to me like crazy went crazy.

Of course, I could be wrong and it could be he couldn't handle his belts or whatever but that doesn't sound logical to me.


Wrestling is a trip...the line between reality and fantasy is blurred. It's just a tripped out business.

But anyway...
I don't see how anyone can make an excuse for what the dude did...he murdered his wife and child, and since the dude was legitimately a killing machine(ask Kurt Angle, an Olympic Gold Medalist Wrestler who was probably Benoit's best opponent)....the actions speak for themselves...and if I was on a jury trying this case and it carried a mandatory death sentence for Benoit, and he was delcared sane...I'd have voted guilty.


But that doesn't mean this wasn't preventable...and in dismissing this as something that he just did because he was a bad dude, you take a position that it couldn't have been prevented. A guy that was successful at what he did, had enduring friendships, a family...the respect and admiration of his peers in and out of the industry, not to metion the fans...

I look at it as ok...Benoit probably did have some kind of fucked up sense of right and wrong to begin with...but someting held him back, kept him from doing something horrible and then he snapped while he was still in the peak of his career and seemingly had everything going for him. This was a senseless murder and suicide..it makes no sense.

Most of the time when a guy whacks his wife and family and then kills himself, there is a reason for it...either he lost his job or his wife is divorcing him or something...and like some one of these articles said...they usually don't have any friends they can talk too. This isn't the case with Benoit. I dunno...maybe his wife was going to leave him or something, and she mentioned it the day he killed her...but he's been married and divorced before. It seems like he was more worried about getting custody of his son.

Nah...I think this dude was on drugs that removed what ever inhibition he had about enacting his own fucked up sense of right and wrong...and I think he was afraid of the responsibility of being asked to provide for everyone in the fed...because it would force him to come out of his shell to overcome his drawbacks on the mic...and he was afraid of that, but couldn't admit it to himself that he was afraid...so he found some BS reason to take the easy way out. Who knows...he might have even offed his wife so she wouldn't be around to completely shatter the perfect image he had crafted for so many years.


After readin what everyone said about his kid though...I don't think he hated his kid. Everyone has said there is absolutely no doubt he loved his son, took him with him everywhere, always brought him up on the stage after winning a match, was extremely protective of the kid. I think he didn't want his kid to suffer a tormented life due to dwarfism, autism and retardation. Honestly...Benoit was called the Vanilla midget by some because of his build...and there was something almost autistic about his persona, he was really single minded...and he really didn't open up to become larger than life like so many of the successful wrestlers do. Trying to force a person with autism to open up is just about the worst thing you can do to them.


And BTW, I don't care if anyone thinks it's stupid I am analyzing this...I grew up hanging out with a wrestlers kids, spent a lot of time backstage at the shows. These guys put more effort into giving the fans their moneys worth, and IMO they care about it more, than any other entertainment field. They literally kill themselves to entertain. Most of them...give it everything they have. Why? I guess you'd just have to be a wrestler to understand...I actually thought it would be cool to do at one point...until I actually got in the ring and tried it a couple of times...fuck that. That shit hurts, just getting throw into the ropes hurts like bitch, and that's not taking into account the steroid usage needed to be successful at it now.

[whottt]

I agree with timvp. Implying that the pressure associated with holding a fake championship made him snap is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on the internets.


As I said earlier...Eddie Gurerro had a nervous breakdown from that pressure...this isn't my opinion, it's well documented and he was honest about what caused it.


It's not ridiculous...you just don't understand wrestling. IT's not unusual for simpler minds to dislike things they don't understand though...so don't be too hard on yourself ;)

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I agree with timvp. Implying that the pressure associated with holding a fake championship made him snap is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on the internets.

This from a man with Chris Farley in his signature? The pressure he would have been faced with is no different from the same pressure that drove countless entertainers down paths of self destruction.

Personally I don't think that Whottt is making any excuses for what happened. If anything I think he's illustrating how much responsibility Benoit bears for his actions. He wasn't a stupid man (or at least no accounts have referred to him as one). After wrestling for 20 years he of all people would know the horror stories about how wrestlers end up. Whether from drugs or from simply running themselves into the ground, Benoit knew all the pitfalls and he chose to go down that same road. I'd bet he knew all the fucked up things steroids can do to you, and he did them anyway. After breaking his neck or picking up his umteenth concussion he could have stepped back and said, "You know, maybe it's just not worth it anymore."

But he didn't. And that's really what makes this sickening situation that much more sickening to me. For all the factors that could have contributed to this, they all could have been avoided if he cared enough to look at what was really important. Shit, the guy could have retired years ago, opened up a wrestling school in Atlanta and been set for the rest of his life. Instead he chose go the way that so many others went. What is lost in all of this is that Benoit can't be held accountable for the years of bad calls that lead up to this heinous act.

[johnsmith]

You can't stay out of this thread to save your life, can you?

Typical of the closet homos that claim to hate wrestling yet really can't get enough manflesh to satisfy their supressed homosexual cravings.

You are closet homo wrestling fan 101. Aintcha boy :lol


:lol :lol :lol

Is there now a rule about which threads you can or cannot go to.

I also like how the "super fan" of wrestling is calling someone else gay.

Finally, who knows dude, maybe I'm playing one of your "Rick Flair" like games with you.

Good God you're a douche bag.

[johnsmith]

It's not ridiculous...you just don't understand wrestling. IT's not unusual for simpler minds to dislike things they don't understand though...so don't be too hard on yourself ;)



That almost made me cry I'm laughing so hard.

You just called those that don't like wrestling, "simpler minds".

Keep going man, I can't get enough of this.

[whottt]

:lol :lol :lol

Is there now a rule about which threads you can or cannot go to.

I also like how the "super fan" of wrestling is calling someone else gay.

Finally, who knows dude, maybe I'm playing one of your "Rick Flair" like games with you.

Good God you're a douche bag.


Rick Flair wouldn't get owned by homosmack...

Dude...you are the common wrestling hater. You reject it because of the wood you uncomfortably sprout at the site of grown sweaty muscular men in their underwear. It's all about you being uncomfortable with the sexual attraction you feel and uncertain of your sexual preference. I've seen you one million times before my friend :). You became mere fodder for me in internet arguments about 1999.

[hello13]

I agree with timvp. Implying that the pressure associated with holding a fake championship made him snap is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on the internets.
There is nothing FAKE about the title.

The ONLY thing FAKE in wrestling is that outcomes are pre-determined!

When a person is given the oppertunity to hold a wrestling championship, it is not fake. It is the highest honor one could have. It's the same thing as winning a NBA title/MVP for a basketball player.

It means the company/league respects the hard work, dedication, and great things that person has done.

If you think being the champion...top dog...#1 person for a company...a team that generates millions upon millions of dollars each fucking year...is a situation that has no pressure and stress...then you are fucking retarded.

I am not condoning or defending his actions!

Read my post back around page 3 or 4 that called him a piece of shit...

What I am saying is that to all you wrestling haters out there, this shit is as real as it gets.

Yea, outcomes are predetermined and storylines are written up but the bumps, bruises, stress, pressure, etc is real as fuck.

[hello13]

FOX News is reporting that an anonymous user using a computer linked to Stamford, Conn. (where WWE headquarters are located) posted an entry to Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia revealing the death of his wife Nancy as the reason for Benoit missing the WWE Vengeance pay-per-view about 14 hours before police said they found her body along with those of Benoit and their 7-year-old son. The posting read: "Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy."

According to the FOX News article, employees at Wikipedia.com said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. EST (the computer-generated time and date stamp of the entry is listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007 Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time). Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EST.

An employee from Wikipedia told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EST on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of their attention.

Wikipedia.org is one of the largest websites in the world, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

The article also noted that the the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. Benoit entry has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.


www.wrestlinginc.com

[desflood]

Another Pro Wrestler Found Dead Days Before Benoit Murder-Suicide
Thursday, June 28, 2007

A week to the day before pro wrestler Chris Benoit murdered his wife Nancy, former pro wrestler and manager Sherri Martel was found dead of unknown causes at her mother's home.

Martel, a pro wrestler in the WWE Hall of Fame who later managed the likes of "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase, was found dead in her mother's home in McCalla, Ala., on June 15, according to published reports.

Click here to read how Nancy Benoit's death was posted to the Internet hours before police found her body.

Linking the deaths of the Benoits with Martel is former pro wrestler Kevin Sullivan, a man once married to Nancy Benoit and who also was Martel's friend and booker.

Martel, who wrestled under the name "Sensational Sherri," was found dead by her husband, Robert Schrull, according to a report in the Tuscaloosa News.

[tlongII]

There is nothing FAKE about the title.

The ONLY thing FAKE in wrestling is that outcomes are pre-determined!

When a person is given the oppertunity to hold a wrestling championship, it is not fake. It is the highest honor one could have. It's the same thing as winning a NBA title/MVP for a basketball player.

It means the company/league respects the hard work, dedication, and great things that person has done.

If you think being the champion...top dog...#1 person for a company...a team that generates millions upon millions of dollars each fucking year...is a situation that has no pressure and stress...then you are fucking retarded.

I am not condoning or defending his actions!

Read my post back around page 3 or 4 that called him a piece of shit...

What I am saying is that to all you wrestling haters out there, this shit is as real as it gets.

Yea, outcomes are predetermined and storylines are written up but the bumps, bruises, stress, pressure, etc is real as fuck.


You are delusional. It is a fake championship.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

When a person is given the oppertunity to hold a wrestling championship, it is not fake. It is the highest honor one could have. It's the same thing as winning a NBA title/MVP for a basketball player.

It means the company/league respects the hard work, dedication, and great things that person has done.


http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/7/3/5/-/-/david_arquette_jason.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

That's pretty fucking weird.

[johnsmith]

That's pretty fucking weird.


I think Whott did it.

[whottt]

I remember reading somewhere that there was a rumor that Benoit actually left a voice mail saying he murdered his wife at some point.



What I want to know...was that posted before the ETOD of Benoit's son? 15 hours before the bodies were found...both Benoit and his son could have still been alive at that point based on the timelines I have read. Benoit definitely still was alive at that point IIRC.

It's going to be a damn shame if they could have saved that little boys life...

[Avitus1]

Its interesting WWE has removed all mention of this stuff on the news portion of there website.

[The Red Hood]

Geez please don't tell me it was an inside job

[spurastic]

I wonder if Benoit's steroid use is what contributed to his son's condition. I've never heard of them doing any kind of chromosome or genetic damage, but it is kind of eerie how his son paid the price for his steroid usage...in more ways than one.

Fragile X Syndrome is carried by the woman. It is a genetic defect of the X chromosome. Since the woman has 2 XX's, she is protected by the "Good" X chromosome and is only the carrier. But the Male offspring only has one X as he is XO and is he inherits the damaged one, hence "Fragile X" syndrome causing physical and developmental delays. I actually assisted a family once in determining why every male in the family was mentally retarded by having genetic screening completed, and it was the "Fragile X syndrome". It is not uncommon that having a mentally retarded child in the home causing tremendous stress which usually causes the family to break up or to get very close. Murder--suicide-- NO!! I feel sorry for all of them, but too bad that Benoit didn't just end his own life.

[The Red Hood]

Nancy Grace is talking to Chris Jericho right now channel 52

[hello13]

http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/7/3/5/-/-/david_arquette_jason.jpg
WCW


They went out of business...

I meant specifically, WWE....


WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE STILL IN BUSINESS AND RAN ALL COMPETITORS IN THE GROUND.

[mavs>spurs2]

Im surprised I haven't seen a Chris Benoit troll yet....

[whottt]

Im surprised I haven't seen a Chris Benoit troll yet....

People whose teams have zero titles and zero HOF'ers should not be surprised about anything.

[whottt]

Fragile X Syndrome is carried by the woman. It is a genetic defect of the X chromosome. Since the woman has 2 XX's, she is protected by the "Good" X chromosome and is only the carrier. But the Male offspring only has one X as he is XO and is he inherits the damaged one, hence "Fragile X" syndrome causing physical and developmental delays. I actually assisted a family once in determining why every male in the family was mentally retarded by having genetic screening completed, and it was the "Fragile X syndrome". It is not uncommon that having a mentally retarded child in the home causing tremendous stress which usually causes the family to break up or to get very close. Murder--suicide-- NO!! I feel sorry for all of them, but too bad that Benoit didn't just end his own life.

I didn't know all that about it....

And I agree...it's too bad he didn't just end his own life. That's what he should have done if he really wanted out. Instead of turning into a terrifying monster killer to those that loved him. Actually...it would have been better if he just left them...You wonder why people do the things they do. I mean what was so bad in his life that things had to end that way....just destroying everything and everyone. IF he waited a week he probably would have been in a good mood again. He's an Idiot.

[mavs>spurs2]

People whose teams have zero titles and zero HOF'ers should not be surprised about anything.

That's too bad because I actually support you throughout this whole ordeal.

I was surprised as fuck and didn't want to believe it untill the whole story came out. I'll admit I admired the guys work ethic and what he did for the sport.

[whottt]

That's too bad because I actually suport you throughout this whole ordeal.

I was surprised as fuck and didn't want to believe it untill the whole story came out. I'll admit I admired the guys work ethic and what he did for the sport.


I appreciate that...however, I still find your name extreeeeeeeeeeeemly offensive. Can't help it.


And he did have a good work ethic...and for all intents and purposes he was a good dude for most of his life...and then he completely destroyed himself and those cloest to him for absolutely no discernible reason. At some point he got to make a choice, am I going to choose unhappy ending, or am I going to choose forgiving and hopefully happy ending, and just let go of all the bullshit pride etc...and he chose the unhappy ending. And then everything turned to shit...not just for him, but for a lot of people. And I can't help but thinking at some point he had to have realized what a huge mistake he was making. Hell I think he knew it was mistake as he was doing it.

[hello13]

taken hours before this started...


taken by a fan at the doctors office

http://www.wsbtv.com/2007/0628/13589245.jpg

[sabar]

This would have been a more interesting lead if Whottt kept idolizing his ex-hero even after learning of his henious acts instead of giving the expected "yeah I hate him cause he killed" routine.

Well, he's kinda halfway in-between those points.

I'm gonna agree with Whotts stance. You don't have to be insane your entire life to do this. I bet I'm capable of it and I'm sane, though I have no idea what would drive me to do so.

RIP to all, such a shame.

[BeerIsGood!]

I guess where I differ with whottt is whottt attempts to find the reason why he snapped. To me, looking for a reason is pretty much the same as looking for an excuse.

He was on steroids, he had too many concussion, was on anti-depressants, he had too many belts, etc. sound like excuses to me. whottt apparently is searching for an action that caused the reaction of a dead family.

The way I think of it is he was crazy and he just went crazy and his family paid the price. No person who was ever sane could do what he did.

What he did doesn't sound like a guy who snapped, as far as being able to pinpoint the exact cause of the snapping. Sounds to me like crazy went crazy.

Of course, I could be wrong and it could be he couldn't handle his belts or whatever but that doesn't sound logical to me.


I don't know everything regarding the situation of Benoit, but there have been countless documented incidents where otherwise sane individuals committed acts of murder, abuse, or other violent crimes due to extreme external stimuli. Basically, there is the potential for a murder inside all of us, the difference is the point at which our brains rationalize the actions. For most of us that point lies somewhere along the lines of protection of family, self, or possibly property from percieved extreme threats, but for many people the point at which their brain rationalizes murder can be over much more trivial actions or events.

External stimuli (stress, drugs, difficult life situations) can push the brain into a delusional state at which the brain perceives a threat or rationalization that wouldn't seem logical to people on the outside. In the Benoit case, a possible situation could be the external stimuli reacting within Benoit's brain with the reality of his son's mental condition and the knowledge that the causing gene came from his wife. The day to day pressures of living life on the road away from home added to his son's condition and the possible inherent resentment he felt for his wife (due to his son's condition or other factors such as perceived infidelity) can react with drugs and alcohol and cause the brain to rationalize the murder of his wife. It could also lead his brain to rationalize the killing of his son as an act of mercy or euthanasia, especially given his mentally feeble status. The fact that several hours passed between killings shows that Benoit thought things through and most likely killed his son out of a perceived mercy - which led to extreme feelings of guilt that led to his suicide.

In Criminology you look for causes of every crime, not excuses. Every crime has a cause, and if as you say the cause is because the person is "crazy", then there are inherent causes for that person's craziness that must be determined.

One more interesting thing - I think the nature of the killings points to a scenario close to what I outlined above. The wife was killed in a very aggressive and "hands on" manner by strangulation with a rope or cord. This is a personal and violent killing. The child was killed through suffocation (I believe with a pillow) that is less violent in manner and can be the result of his rationalization that the boy must be killed for mercy (for his own good) even though he really doesn't want to do it. Finally, the most telling is the way Benoit commited suicide. Death by hanging is not only tedious but is also extremely painful and slow which could show his contempt for himself and self loathing over what he has done. He could have just taken a ton of pills if he wanted to take an easy way out, but he chose a very difficult and painful way to do it.

[whottt]

In Criminology you look for causes of every crime, not excuses. Every crime has a cause, and if as you say the cause is because the person is "crazy", then there are inherent causes for that person's craziness that must be determined.

One more interesting thing - I think the nature of the killings points to a scenario close to what I outlined above. The wife was killed in a very aggressive and "hands on" manner by strangulation with a rope or cord. This is a personal and violent killing. The child was killed through suffocation (I believe with a pillow) that is less violent in manner and can be the result of his rationalization that the boy must be killed for mercy (for his own good) even though he really doesn't want to do it. Finally, the most telling is the way Benoit commited suicide. Death by hanging is not only tedious but is also extremely painful and slow which could show his contempt for himself and self loathing over what he has done. He could have just taken a ton of pills if he wanted to take an easy way out, but he chose a very difficult and painful way to do it.

Pretty good post...except that Benoit choked his son to death with a wrestling choke hold....but they also said there were no bruises on the boys neck.


And no shit about Benoit...

You ever seen the neck on that dude? It's like the size of a telephone pole, solid muscle.

And he hung himself by putting 3-400 lbs of weight on that cord before unlocking the weights..

I'd say Benoit had an extremely painful and extended death. I think he has the kind of neck to where he probably couldn't even have hung himself in the conventional sense.

[whottt]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/29/0629exwife.htm

lBenoit "loving person," ex-wife says

By Kevin Duffy
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 06/28/07

Chris Benoit's former wife, Martina Benoit, said the star wrestler "was the most loving person anyone could imagine. I love him."

Reached at her home in Ardrossan, Alberta, Canada, Benoit called reporting of the killings in Fayette County "crap." She did not elaborate before ending the call.

Last weekend, Chris Benoit, 40, killed his wife, Nancy, and their 7-year-old son, Daniel, before committing suicide, according to the Fayette County Sheriff's Department.

He had two other children with Martina Benoit, who has not remarried. Chris Benoit married Nancy Benoit, 43, in 2000.

Authorities said Benoit strangled his wife and possibly killed his son in a chokehold. Daniel had Fragile X Syndrome, a mental disability. Benoit strangled himself using cord attached to a weight machine.

He was one of the biggest stars with World Wrestling Entertainment, a Connecticut-based company that broadcasts matches worldwide on television.

[whottt]

Even the dudes ex-wife is saying she can't imagine him doing this.


Ex-wife in disbelief = Benoit lost it at some point, he wasn't always that way.

It is not possible to get a more trustworthy statement than an ex-wife character witness saying something positive about her ex-husband after the fact.

Benoit wasn't always a bad guy...in fact he was quite a good guy, until something went wrong with him somewhere along the way.

Steroids probably were part of it...but I am not convinced that was all there was to it...especially since they said the steroid test Benoit passed was a random one. Maybe it was actually going off the steroids that started to screw him up...and I am still waiting to see if he was on some kind of anti-depressant/psych meds.

[mardigan]

Study suggests brain damage may have affected Benoit
Associated Press

Updated: September 5, 2007, 12:52 PM ET


ATLANTA -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit suffered brain damage from his years in the ring that could help explain why he killed his wife, son and himself, a doctor who studied Benoit's brain said Wednesday.

Tests on Chris Benoit's brain, conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Institute, show that Benoit's brain was severely damaged and may help explain the killing of his wife and son and his subsequent suicide. ABCNews.com has detailed coverage. Story

The analysis by doctors affiliated with the Sports Legacy Institute suggests repeated concussions could have contributed to the killings at Benoit's suburban Atlanta home.

The wrestler's father, Michael Benoit, told reporters Wednesday that he knows his son had concussions because his son told him so. But he also said he knows of no medical records or records kept by the wrestling league to support the diagnosis.

Steroid use also has lingered as a theory, since anabolic steroids were found in the home and tests conducted by authorities showed Benoit had roughly 10 times the normal level of testosterone in his system when he died.

The institute, which researches the long-term effects of concussions, coordinated the testing using samples of Benoit's brain tissue provided by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Despite the results of the institute's tests, there was no way to know if Benoit's concussions contributed to the murder-suicide, said Dr. Robert Cantu, a member of the institute who also is chief of neurosurgery service at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass.

"Whether it is the sole factor I believe is speculation and I will not go there," Cantu said by phone.

The level of brain damage Benoit had can cause depression and irrational behavior, Cantu said.

Benoit's brain showed the same degenerative processes that doctors working for the institute found in the brains of three men who had played pro football and committed suicide, Cantu said. There were abnormal protein deposits caused by trauma to Benoit's brain, Cantu said.

There's no evidence that steroid use causes such protein deposits, Cantu said, though he noted the issue has not been exhaustively studied.

The Waltham, Mass.-based institute was founded by former pro wrestler Christopher Nowinski, who has said he had to quit the ring after a kick to the head. Nowinski is president of the institute and still has ties with World Wrestling Entertainment Inc., which runs the league he and Benoit were in.

A lawyer for Stamford, Conn.-based WWE did not immediately return a call Wednesday seeking comment. The company has maintained steroid use did not cause Benoit to snap.

Investigators allowed the institute to test Benoit's brain tissue with the permission of his father, Michael Benoit, who lives near Edmonton in Ardrossan, Alberta.

Michael Benoit said Wednesday that he agreed to the testing because murder-suicide was out of character for his son. He also disclosed that after the killings, he discovered a diary written by his son that showed his son was having problems.

"After reading the diary, I would have thought it was written by someone who was extremely disturbed at the time," Michael Benoit said.

He did not elaborate, but he did say a friend told him that prior to the murder-suicide, Chris Benoit had been wearing a rosary, which he said was also out of character.

"I think it's the extreme that is in the wrestling industry today," he told reporters. "The human skull is not built to get hit by a chair or something."

Nowinski said concussions can happen in pro wrestling even though many of the moves are staged.

"I got four concussions in three years as a professional wrestler," said Nowinski, who works for the WWE on its initiative to encourage young people to vote. "A lot of concussions happen from mistakes."

Prosecutors have said Benoit, 40, strangled his wife with a cord, used a choke hold to strangle his 7-year-old son, placed Bibles next to the bodies and hanged himself on a piece of exercise equipment the weekend of June 22.

Authorities have said Benoit's personal doctor, Phil Astin, prescribed a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Benoit every three to four weeks between May 2006 and May 2007. Astin has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of improperly prescribing painkillers and other drugs to two patients other than Benoit.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520

[whottt]

Yeah...Benoit's finishing move was the diving headbutt...wouldn't suprise me if he got a lot of concussions doing that. Also all the chair shots wrestlers take....


Steroids probably had something to do with it...but how come they aren't focusing on the 10 empty beer bottles and bottle of wine found at Benoit's feet when he hung himself?


Bottom line though is that he murdered his wife and child, plain and simple. I know they want to find a reason for it because it was something that seemed so out of character for him...but that doesn't change the fact that he commited murder. Including his own innocent and helpless child. His sense of right and wrong was gone.

[Avitus1]

Yeah...Benoit's finishing move was the diving headbutt...wouldn't suprise me if he got a lot of concussions doing that. Also all the chair shots wrestlers take....


Steroids probably had something to do with it...but how come they aren't focusing on the 10 empty beer bottles and bottle of wine found at Benoit's feet when he hung himself?


Bottom line though is that he murdered his wife and child, plain and simple. I know they want to find a reason for it because it was something that seemed so out of character for him...but that doesn't change the fact that he commited murder. Including his own innocent and helpless child. His sense of right and wrong was gone.


Same thing I thought....

[LaMarcus Bryant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkBL4KO0WU


Really good interview by Kevin Nash on FoxNews, he doesn't let that bitch ass neocon get under his skin very much either.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Whotttttttt was not exaggerating when he said wrestling fucks you up in the head....i think he said that anyways


did ya'll know that even Miss Elizabeth fucking died from getting into drugs and OD'ing and shit? Crazy. Miss Elizabeth.

[whottt]

Benoit whacked his family because his normal brain function was basically destroyed. He had advanced dementia from all the concussions he had received over his career and was both high and drunk at the time he commited the murders.


This is no way reduces the horror of what Benoit did, but they also believe he sedated his son before he strangled him so the kid probably never knew his Dad was killing him....at least there's that.


Basically the man who murdered his wife and child was not Chris Benoit the hardworking and respected in ring performer that he was for the majority of his career...but a twisted, mentally ill brain damaged/demented version of him that he was at the end of his career.


That doesn't take away what he did, but it does explain why so many people(wrestler and fan alike) had such a high opinion of a man who went onto murder his wife and child.


Oh and Nash is being incredibly disingenuous in that interview about his relationship with Benoit...they hated each other, always. Benoit and the clique all hated each other except for Triple H and Michaels.

[mavs>spurs2]

Nash is the shit

nWo for life

[timvp]

Benoit whacked his family because his normal brain function was basically destroyed.:violin


he sedated his son before he strangled him so the kid probably never knew his Dad was killing himDefinitely an act worthy of props.



Basically the man who murdered his wife and child was not Chris Benoit

:rolleyes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

What was Nash being disingenuous about? I bumped this thread and posted this interview because this is actually the best interview from a wrestler that I've seen about this issue. And he kept his cool. Glamorboy Chris Jericho did not come close to getting his ass eaten by some neocon stuck up bitch like Nash did, and he kept his cool and made his points, which were valid.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The ancillary reason for bumping this thread was to see if timvp would respond to whottt btw

[whottt]

Benoit should die for his actions

[whottt]

What was Nash being disingenuous about?

When he acts like he and Benoit were casual aquaintances. They knew each other well and were enemies.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Ohh, but I meant the core of what he was saying. How he defended steroids. How he said they can be medicinal in some situations.

What were the results of benoit's blood tests anyways? Had he been taking steroids long term up to that point or had he just recently been prescribed them again?

[mookie2001]

now we all know whottt bloadds timvp on the regular (we know this)

[timvp]

now we all know whottt bloadds timvp on the regular (we know this)

Time to move again already? (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1899400&postcount=54)

[mookie2001]

smeagol and manumaniac would do the same for you brah

[timvp]

smeagol and manumaniac would do the same for you brah

How much you tip?

[T Park]

Yeah Kevin Nash, Chris Benoit was taking roids not because he had to be bulked up and look good for TV, but because he was old.

Give me a break.

[whottt]

Well yeah I don't think the steroids were really the primary cause. Probaby a part of it though...

I do think it was pretty well established in the brain exam that his brain was pretty much ruined though due to all the concussions.


It's weird because the diving headbutt isn't a very realistic finisher but of the two wrestlers that used it one will never walk again and the other one suffered advanced dementia. Benoit's neck may have prevented him from taking the spinal damage that Tom Billington took...but that means his brain was what was absorbing the impact.

It always did look to me like the heabutter was taking alot more damage than the headbuttee.

[whottt]

Yeah Kevin Nash, Chris Benoit was taking roids not because he had to be bulked up and look good for TV, but because he was old.

Give me a break.



It's entirely possible...ultimately it doesn't change anything though. Benoit is double murderer who murdered his wife and child and that's that. I just hope the little kid wasn't awake when his Dad murdered him.

[T Park]

It's entirely possible...ultimately it doesn't change anything though. Benoit is double murderer who murdered his wife and child and that's that. I just hope the little kid wasn't awake when his Dad murdered him.

Very true.

In my book Benoit is scum.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

What is funny is timvp getting jealous when not everyone on this site gives him constant prahps.

But nnnneeeeeeeeways

What were the results of his blood test? Can't find them..