Marion or Manu

[theroc5]

Not who is better but who would you rather have on your team? I posted this up on bbb.net and Manu so far is getting killed. Current Poll is something like 10 to 2 in favor of Marion.

[slayermin]

This is a no brainer.

[AFBlue]

Marion is not totally worthless, but he's more of a "system" guy. He's like those Texas Tech QBs...big numbers, rarely much substance.

Shocking...no votes for Marion yet... :lol

[HJNTX]

Marion is very limited. He is a "streak shooter," and is and has been basically worthless in play0offs. On the other hand, Manu is THE MAN!!!

[JMarkJohns]

Dumb poll... I'll take Manu.

[dallaskd]

Marion without a doubt.

[HJNTX]

Marion without a doubt.
:rolleyes Sure ya would .. :lol :lol :lol

[MajorMike]

The problem with this question is, it depends on how you ask. If you are strictly chosing between the two stat wise, it creates a very close comparison. However Manu is so much more than a stat to the Spurs. Manu became a part of San Antonio culture, as oddly as that sounds, when he spoke to the Alamodome crowd in spanish after the Title in 2003. The Latino community instantly embraced him and gave him a home. He wasn't even really a huge cog of the 2003 Ring, yet suddenly he was the #3 Spur behind David and Tim (tho some may argue the 3/4 spot with Malik). Manu was a superstar in San Antonio before he was a superstar on the court. A unique situation that I don't believe you could duplicate anywhere else.

Sure, if the story were told differently, Marion might very well be a very popular Spur here, very productive, very team oriented, who knows. After already having Manu, there is absolutely zero way, however, that Marion could replace him. He would be the next Nazr - the guy that you cheer for because he is on your team, but that you never really like because he replaced Malik, and that you were not unhappy to see go when he did because you felt no real connection to him.

[dallaskd]

:rolleyes Sure ya would .. :lol :lol :lol

I aint gonna lie. I could care less about both teams and players. If i could take my pick, i would take marion.

[theroc5]

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/365604-manu-marion.html

[HJNTX]

I aint gonna lie. I could care less about both teams and players. If i could take my pick, i would take marion.


Why Marion? Just wondering......

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have always liked Shawn Marion, I think if you give him a coach who tells him not to shoot that sick ass three ball of his, better yet, not to shoot ANY jumpshots....but to lock down your opponent at all costs, rebound like your life depends on it, and in the process clean up the garbage of our main guy, he'd be an amazing talent.

He doesn't deserve his contract, but he'd still be an amazing talent. He has one of the quickest second jumps I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to trade Manu for him, because Manu has earned respect and love through his actions, but think about this....

Marion + Bowen on same team = Marion never faces the man who owns him in the playoffs.

:smokin

[Spurologist]

Is this a series poll???

Marion enrolled into Dirkie's School of Playing and Closing out Playoff Games

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Is this a series poll???

Marion enrolled into Dirkie's School of Playing and Closing out Playoff Games



I'm no FWD or Marcus Bryant, but I would like to see Marions numbers in lost playoff series that were not against the Spurs. I know he becomes Mr Invisible against us, but does he really do it against other teams?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

On my fantasy team I'll take Marion.

In the real world I'll take Manu, who is clutch as a manual gearbox. ;)

Would Marion have carried us in games 1, 2 and 7 of the Finals in 2005? i doubt it. Does marion dismantle teams with his smarts, and simply by getting to the line time and again? Nup.

Also, depends on the team. Manu is a perfect fit for us. Marion may be a better fit than Manu on a team that already has a clutch slasher.

[dallaskd]

Why Marion? Just wondering......

Excellent defender. Great shooter although streaky. Understands game and a good team player. He can take over games. He could be a #1 on alot of teams. Has exciting plays that can change games.

[dallaskd]

Manu is great but is a little sloppy, flops alot, and sometimes doesnt give up the ball when he should.

[SilverPlayer]

Excellent defender. Great shooter although streaky. Understands game and a good team player. He can take over games. He could be a #1 on alot of teams. Has exciting plays that can change games.

Manu is great but is a little sloppy, flops alot, and sometimes doesnt give up the ball when he should.


Do you remember how good Marion's suns were before they got Nash and Amare? He is a dime a dozen talent that puts up excellent stats. He's the ultimate Antwan Jamison, Jason Richardson, Shareef Abdur Rahim, etc. He puts up great numbers that never really translate into the Win column.

Manu is the exact opposite, everything he does is crucial to any team he has been on. And he does everything he can to win.

This comparison is not even close, if you take out stats, Manu beats Marion so completely it's like a comparing a cat and a mouse.

[dallaskd]

does manu even start?

[Warlord23]

He could be a #1 on alot of teams.

Yeah right. On a 25-win team. I can't wait for his overrated ass to be traded to Boston or Atlanta. If he becomes the main man, his go-to move will probably be to fling the ball in the general region of the basket and try to get an offensive tip-in.


Has exciting plays that can change games.

Can't create off the dribble, can't shoot unless wide open, and then too is streaky. Useless in crunch time. Can't defend premier PFs like Duncan. Can't defend premier swingmen like Kobe or LeBron. Can't defend quicker guards. Who exactly can he defend? Gets voted as #4 on the DPOY list by the clueless media, yet can't break the All-D 2nd team (oh right, the coaches vote on this one).

The most amazing thing about Marion is that he makes $17 million. And is arguably the 3rd or maybe 4th best player on his team.

[dallaskd]

better defender than bowen. who some of you guys say is the best in the nba.

[timvp]

Manu seven days a week.

Unless winning isn't the objective.

[johngateswhiteley]

who are the 5 idiots that didn't vote for Manu? stupid...

[ambchang]

Manu has proven that he can take over a game with the Spurs and Argentina, Marion has been the ultimate role player and hasn't taken over crap.
Manu in a landslide.
Now if the poll was Nash vs. Parker for one year, then we would probably see some good debate going on.

[bdictjames]

Manu could take over the game, Marion can't. Simple as f*ck.

[bdictjames]

does manu even start?
Will the Sixers ever get to the playoffs? :lol

[BigVee]

Manu seven days a week.

Unless winning isn't the objective.

Ah yes, isn't it amazing how the team's that Manu has been on just seem to win championships? Every level, every league, no matter how big the stage. What a coincidence.

[Obstructed_View]

The fourth quarter is winning time, and that's when Manu shows up. There are very few guys in this league I'd trade him for.

[Spurologist]

I'm no FWD or Marcus Bryant, but I would like to see Marions numbers in lost playoff series that were not against the Spurs. I know he becomes Mr Invisible against us, but does he really do it against other teams?

He's always going to have decent numbers with his atheticism and his activity, but he has NEVER put an imprint on a playoff game where everyone can see Marion was the star of the match.


“They run like deer, jump like deer and think like deer.”

He has been owned time and time again by Manu/Tp and then it translates into his offensive game. He passes up shots and does uses his invisibiliy shield that he's learned from Dirkie. He isn't really a natural post up player, so he can't take full advantage when smaller players are guarding him. AND does marion ever drive in a half court offense?

These are his number for this post season:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7293/boxmarionze3.jpg

He shot more poorly against the fakers than against us but his numbers overall are good. Because of players like Marion and Dirkie, the NBA needs to tabulate all fourth quarter stats separatly. There's that stat and also the "Most shots made when your team really needed it shot" statistic. Fuck the rules changes for now, Sternie needs to focus on adding stat categories.

[dav4463]

better defender than bowen. who some of you guys say is the best in the nba.


huh???!!!!

not according to his Strat-o-matic card ! ...maybe some of you will know what I'm talking about!

[Cherry]

does manu even start?

no, he finished games :lol

[Spurs rock]

Manu is a winner, plain and simple.

[Xylus]

Tim Duncan would have 5 championship rings if Marion was on the team.

There, I said it.

[carina_gino20]

Manu, hands down. As Pop has said, Manu is the ultimate competitor. More importantly, he's a proven winner. And when it's crunch time, I'd rather not face a determined Manu playing for the opposite team.

[judaspriestess]

:drunk :dizzy :lmao

There is absolutely NO comparison. Sure marion puts up some ok numbers but he is not a proven champion on all levels not just the NBA.

ridiculous



Tim Duncan would have 5 championship rings if Marion was on the team.

There, I said it.

How come he hasn't delivered one to nash yet?

[Xylus]

:drunk :dizzy :lmao

There is absolutely NO comparison. Sure marion puts up some ok numbers but he is not a proven champion on all levels not just the NBA.

ridiculous




How come he hasn't delivered one to nash yet?
Because Marion has never been coached by a coach of Pop's caliber.

Nor has he played with a champion like Duncan.

[mathbzh]

It is no a so obvious choice.
Marion is more consistant, is a great regular season player, has always a great run with MVP statistics... but it never happens in PO.
Manu is a proven playoff winner, is clutch... but is inconsistant.

Marion can be shut down by most teams. Manu can't.

If I am average team and want to go to the playoff... I would probably go with Mariont the 20/10 guy. But if I am the Spurs and want to repeat in 08... Manu is a no brainer.

Last thing : Marion makes superstar money. You don't want to have 16millions $ on a guy who can't create for himself or for others.

[Xylus]

I'm too lazy to do the research, but I think Marion'scareer playoff stats are very similar to his regular season stats.

[mathbzh]

I'm too lazy to do the research, but I think Marion'scareer playoff stats are very similar to his regular season stats.
True! As I said Marion is the consistant one.
Manu is way better in playoff than during the regular season.

[MrChug]

I aint gonna lie. I could care less about both teams and players. If i could take my pick, i would take marion.

Man...do you work for the Philly front office? Sounds like it. Looking at your squad those seem to be the decisions you've made, so keep up the good work!! :lol :lol :lol

[smeagol]

Manu

[smeagol]

Ah yes, isn't it amazing how the team's that Manu has been on just seem to win championships? Every level, every league, no matter how big the stage. What a coincidence.
And also what he said

[smeagol]

104 Manu
9 Marion
1 Tied

Voting for Marion: Sequ, Mookie, pimpo, CbF, :lol

[thousandth]

Seriously? Marion's the better defensive player... than Bowen... :lol :lol No kidding. C'mon.

Marion or Manu?

MANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hook Dem]

does manu even start?
THAT is by design!!!!!!

[ArgSpursFan]

Dumbest thread ever.

[ArgSpursFan]

does manu even start?

Manu doesn´t start,He is¨ the closer¨
He doesnt wear a watch eather,He decides what time it is... :fro

[ambchang]

Because Marion has never been coached by a coach of Pop's caliber.

Nor has he played with a champion like Duncan.
Nor has he led any team to any championships in his life. For the record, I would take Joe Dumars and Dennis Johnson over Lafayette Lever despite the stats, or Tom Chambers, or Carter for that matter, because Joe D and DJ comes up big in important situations, while the other come up big in situations of minimal importance.

[manubili]

Someone plz post that gif of manu's behind the back pass on marion in 2005.

That would be my argument.

[sa_butta]

Giiinnnooobbiiillliiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!

[tmtcsc]

That's easy. Manu is the better player AND he's a better fit for our team. He'd have crazy stats too if he was given a different role.

Shawn Marion is easily one of the most overrated and overpaid players in the league.

Manu is a cold hearted killer who puts winning RINGS above all else. Marion still wants his props. Fuck 'em and all those Phoenix wannabes.

[judaspriestess]

Because Marion has never been coached by a coach of Pop's caliber.

Nor has he played with a champion like Duncan.

Steve Nash is considered a franchise player which should equate to champion.

You are right about the coach. the suns will never win if they keep d'antoni.
and get a better bench.

[MadDog73]

does manu even start?


Even better. Manu finishes.

[bigFUNDAMENTAL]

Manu...FTW!!!

[lebomb]

Manu could take over the game, Marion can't. Simple as f*ck.


Exactly!!!! Manu can drop 25pts in one quarter......Marion,not in entire game
:rolleyes

[mathbzh]

Exactly!!!! Manu can drop 25pts in one quarter......Marion,not in entire game
:rolleyes
Stupid statement considering Marion as a career high 44 pts (35 this season) against Manu 48 (40)
They are comparable scorer... the difference is that Manu can create his scoring opportunities. Marion can't.

[SAGambler]

If they kept stats on "desire and heart" it (the stat sheet) wouldn't even be close.

Sometimes I think Manu simply "wills" the Spurs to win, by playing his heart out and laying it all on the line.

I wouldn't mind seeing Marion on this team, but when it comes down to Manu or Marion, well it's going to be Manu all the time every time.

[mathbzh]

If they kept stats on "desire and heart" it (the stat sheet) wouldn't even be close.

Sometimes I think Manu simply "wills" the Spurs to win, by playing his heart out and laying it all on the line.

I wouldn't mind seeing Marion on this team, but when it comes down to Manu or Marion, well it's going to be Manu all the time every time.

Did you ever hear manu complain about receiving less consideration than TD and TP? Because Shawn is a wanabe and would complain not to be the #1 option all the time.

[Mixability]

Manu, because Marion's jumper hurts my eyes.

[SAGambler]

Manu, because Marion's jumper hurts my eyes.

Hell, his FTs hurt my eyes, but they go in most of the time.

He does have a quick release and a quick second jump though. And I think he could be taught to play some really good D under the guidance of Pop and company.

[chaco]

Ginobili
http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0516/g_ginobili_manu_vt.jpg

[Mr. Body]

Watched the 2003 DVD last night. Man was Ginobili clutch. Jackson, too... but it reminded me how vital Manu's been from the start.

(And in the first round, Marion was crap in the clutch once again.)

[Obstructed_View]

Dumbest thread ever.
^^^What he said. :clap

[TMTTRIO]

Manu's a winner and will step up in clutch time or whenever the Spurs need him and there's a reason why Manu is the most hated player in the NBA by fans, players, and some coaches:p:.

[wildchild]

Manu is a better Argentinian player than Marion is. You can take that insight to the bank.

Manu is THE argentinian player. Is Marion an argentinian player too? :lol

[wildchild]

You're correct. If there was a competition between Manu and Marion over who was more Argentinian, Manu would win. I guarantee it.

Yeah!! I'm sure. I guarantee it too! :spin

[smeagol]

Manu, because Marion's jumper hurts my eyes.
Hey Latino Boy . . . you made me laugh with this one :lol

[jag]

Marion's the most overrated player in the NBA, i can't even think of anyone close. maybe Paul Pierce...

[Switchman]

Stupid statement considering Marion as a career high 44 pts (35 this season) against Manu 48 (40)
They are comparable scorer... the difference is that Manu can create his scoring opportunities. Marion can't.

That was the game when MANU single-handedly OWNED the Suns a couple years ago after the Spurs were down by 20 something. It was beautiful.

[judaspriestess]

Marion's the most overrated player in the NBA, i can't even think of anyone close. maybe Paul Pierce...

thanks Jag, I thought I was the only one who thought this.

[ATXSPUR]

who are the morons that voted marion?