Cuban is a sore loser

[O-Factor]

This was on CNNSI.com

Bizarre twists to Cuban-Nellie lawsuit
Posted: Friday June 29, 2007 07:37AM ET
Don Nelson is being sued by Mavericks owner Mark Cuban for using "confidential information" to beat his former team in the playoffs, and if an arbitrator agrees with this claim, then Nelson might not be allowed to coach again for Golden State. According to John O'Connor, Nelson's San Francisco-based attorney, Cuban is claiming Nelson was still under contract with the Mavericks, and therefore he couldn't work for the Warriors.

What a sore loser. He can't accept that his Mavs choked! Now it seems he wants Nellie out of Golden State! I always kind of liked Cuban for his passion about his basketball team, but now I've lost all respect for him.

[mbass]

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?

[CosmicCowboy]

That is totally absurd.

Cuban, we got news for you..

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol

[O-Factor]

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?

We could make that excuse, but we have class. We are a no-excuse ball club, unlike the mavs and suns.

[genghisrex]

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol
Worst kept secret in the NBA. :lol

[Warlord23]

Priceless! Does Cuban realize how ridiculous this sounds? He's suing Nellie for knowing how to trip up his choking team ... what's next? Is he going to sue Finley for helping his division rivals win the title while collecting Cuban's checks?

[BUMP]

wtf Cuban, move on :lol

[Budkin]

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

[50 cent]

What a douchebag.

:lmao

[O-Factor]

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

I dont bull shit. Here is you f'n link

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/8851

[Budkin]

I dont bull shit. Here is you f'n link

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/8851

Teh Google failed me, sorry for the bullshit call. I can't fucking believe this is real. I just lost what little respect I had left for Cuban.

[CubanMustGo]

The REAL link is here:

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/columnists/randy_galloway//story/152947.html

[ShoogarBear]

Here's the article in the Ft. Worth newspaper. Mark Cuban has official retired the Biggest Douche Ever award.

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/152950.html
Posted on Fri, Jun. 29, 200

Is Mavs owner now crying foul?

By JEFF CAPLAN
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban believes Golden State's sizzling shooting alone didn't sink his basketball team in the most stunning playoff defeat in NBAhistory.

That's according to Don Nelson's attorney, John O'Connor, who said Cuban is suing Nelson, claiming the Warriors beat the Mavs in the first round because the Warriors' coach -- and former coach of the Mavs -- had "confidential information and he [Cuban] wants to enjoin Don from coaching against the Mavericks."

"There is no basis in our view," O'Connor said. "I suppose he [Nelson] knows [Dirk] Nowitzki likes to go right instead of left, but normally that's not a trade secret."

In an e-mail, Cuban acknowledged he and his lawyer have "claims" against Nelson, but is "not sure how we are handling them." Cuban offered a "no comment" when asked Thursday night for a description of "confidential information."

This new twist is an extension of an ongoing feud about compensation between the two men, who together resurrected the Mavs' franchise. Nelson sued Cuban last winter, claiming he is due $6.5 million in deferred payments dating to the Ross Perot Jr. ownership group.

Cuban contends Nelson forfeited the money when he accepted the Golden State job because it breached a "non-compete" clause in his Mavs contract, a $200,000-a-year consulting position that ran through 2011.

O'Connor said Cuban had stopped paying Nelson before he took the Golden State job and Nelson believed he was no longer bound to the "non-compete" clause.

"Bottom line is that when he took the Golden State job, he was still under his consulting agreement which had a 'non-compete' in it," Cuban wrote. "Part of the logic was that the 'non-compete' would keep him from working elsewhere since he was going to retire, or so he claimed every time. He was fine with the 'non-compete.' Until he wasn't. That's the basis of our claim."

An arbitrator is expected to tackle the claims in October.

"I'm the victim," Nelson said. "I'm embarrassed by this, and I hope that the truth will come out. It will all come out in the arbitration."

If the arbitrator rules Nelson did violate the "non-compete" clause, it's doubtful, Cuban surmised, that a judgment would prohibit Nelson from coaching the Warriors.

"The real issue," Cuban wrote, "is that if Nellie loses, if he quits the Warriors to get in compliance, then we would have to pay the money owed. Would he rather quit and paid or work and not get paid?"

Cuban said he didn't try to stop Nelson from taking the Golden State job last year because he didn't learn about the deal until after Nelson signed and, "I wasn't going to make a big deal."

After Golden State lost to Utah in the second round, Nelson, 67, announced that he was not sure he would return for the second season of his three-year deal.

In a report Wednesday, Nelson said he could decide after the completion of the Las Vegas Summer League on July 15. It's unknown if the Cuban issue will have any bearing on Nelson's decision process.

Jeff Caplan, 817-390-7760
[email protected]

[smeagol]

Loser owner of a loser team.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So I guess we can sue them for our 2006 exit. What a putz. I officially have no respect for anybody in that organization. From top to bottom.

[michaelwcho]

It appears to be far more complex than at first blush. It is probably just maneuvering for reasons of recouping some money from Nellie.

[Findog]

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

I posted it in the NBA forum:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72758


San Francisco Chronicle is reporting it. I hope it's not true, it would be a joke if it was.

[Lonestar]

After Golden State lost to Utah in the second round, Nelson, 67, announced that he was not sure he would return for the second season of his three-year deal.
In a report Wednesday, Nelson said he could decide after the completion of the Las Vegas Summer League on July 15. [/email]


While Cuban is a POS in his own right, I think the bullshit Nellie is pulling isn't a hell of alot better. It ticks me off when coaches (and players) play this silly game. Time and again they hold the organization hostage while they decide if they're going to jump ship or not (see Larry Brown). It's times like these that I (once again) thank Pop, RC, Peter Holt and the rest of the organization for having some class.

[IceColdBrewski]

http://static.flickr.com/78/155733289_44299089e6.jpg

[FromWayDowntown]

Cuban is a pansy, and this claim is just asinine.

But from a legal perspective, I think Cuban loses this one because he clearly was aware that Nellie was taking a job that, in theory at least, violated this purported non-compete provision. Cuban technically had 2 years to bring an action for breach of contract, but I'm fairly certain that equity requires that he seek to enjoin violations of the non-compete clause as soon as reasonably possible. Waiting an entire basketball season in which it was readily-apparent to Cuban that Nellie was (in Cuban's estimation, anyway) in violation of the provision will, I think, ultimately preclude Cuban from prevailing on this ridiculous claim.

Mark Cuban gives douches a bad name.

[Findog]

The only thing possible you can say in Cuban's defense is that this is Nellie's lawyer's version of events. It's possible that his counter-claims are merely that Nellie broke a no-compete clause in his consulting contract and Nellie is spinning the "confidential info" "trade secrets" thing to make Cuban look bad. If it's true, Cuban is the biggest sore loser around.

[L.I.T]

I'm still a bit befuddled by this. If he was gonna call-out a "non-compliance" clause, wouldn't the proper time have been last off-season?

This just smacks of sour grapes.

I will give him props though, he is pretty up-front why he's doing it. It's all about the money. Wonder how those new business ventures of his are panning? :td

[Findog]

I'm still a bit befuddled by this. If he was gonna call-out a "non-compliance" clause, wouldn't the proper time have been last off-season?

This just smacks of sour grapes.

I will give him props though, he is pretty up-front why he's doing it. It's all about the money. Wonder how those new business ventures of his are panning? :td

IF Nellie's lawyer isn't just spinning and is actually telling the truth about Cuban's counter-claims to the lawsuit. The non-compliance thing might just be manuevering for a more favorable settlement of Nellie's claims against the Mavericks. It's the "insider info", "trade secrets," "confidential info" stuff that makes Cuban a huge douche if true.

[mardigan]

And people wonder why Cuban is hated

[BUMP]

And people wonder why Cuban is hated
um..not really

[mardigan]

um..not really
Ummm, yes really

[ShoogarBear]

Coming up next, the Robert Sarver v. Robert Horry lawsuit.

[Findog]

Ummm, yes really

Just keep in mind this is Nellie's lawyer talking. He might be right, but an arbitrator will get to the bottom of this.

[lefty]

I feel bad for the Mavs players and AJ ; they deserve much better than Cuban.

Yes, Cuban's money helped to build a contender, but the man is really embarassing his team

[AmarilloDoc]

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

[Findog]

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

No, he's going to lose that suit. I think this is a case of what happens when you sue a rich man and he has the financial means to drag the proceedings out forever.

[Obstructed_View]

So when is Cuban going to sue Pat Riley?

Of course, now we have an explanation for Smallball©; Pop didn't want to get sued.

[ambchang]

Cuban is just trying to harrass Don Nelson through the lawyers with his extensive wealth. It's common in business, and he is trying to bring the same bs into basketball.
Sad.

[MoSpur]

This is so stupid. There is no way Cuban wins this. He makes Dallas look bad. I wonder how the players and Avery feel?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao This is classic.

TOP SECRET, FOR YOUR EYES ONLY:

Dirk is a choker. Bwahahahahahaha.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

[Vito Corleone]

That is totally absurd.

Cuban, we got news for you..

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol


If this was the old Jim Rome board you would get major Racks for that. :lol :lol :lol

[Slomo]

Unbelievable!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/CubanRopeWalker.jpg

[Findog]

I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

Actually I think this is terrible publicity for Cuban and the Mavs and I honestly can't believe he would want to court attention like this. The only word we have for the claim being true is one party's attorney. If this were true, would you want to coach for Cuban? If you were a player, would you want to come play in Dallas? I have a feeling that this is a very acrimonious arbitration process related to Nellie's claims of deferred compensation, and it's just as likely his camp is spinning this to make Cuban and his franchise look terrible on the eve of the free agency signing period as it is that the story is true.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Unbelievable!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/CubanRopeWalker.jpg:lol :tu

[ShoogarBear]

Better still, that's exactly what Cuban wears around the house.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

Actually this more like writing the epitaph on the Mavericks franchise. Two years with championship hopes, and you get the entire team parading to the podium to whine about officiating last year vs. the Heat, and now this.

Cuban just solidified his team's rep as the biggest bunch of whiners and sore losers in pro sports.

[Findog]

Actually this more like writing the epitaph on the Mavericks franchise.

They're disbanding?


Cuban just solidified his team's rep as the biggest bunch of whiners and sore losers in pro sports

So you're taking Nellie's lawyer at face value on this? It may well turn out to be true, but generally speaking, isn't there an arbitration process to decide which claims are true and which aren't? Considering how asinine and idiotic it makes the Mavericks look, there's not a possibility that Nellie's attorney is simply casting Cuban in the worst possible light in order to make things easier for his client?

[nsrammstein]

Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.

[Sweetey]

Isn't Cuban kinda young for a hip replacement? Maybe they meant "brain replacement." An "ego reduction" would certainly do the idiot some good.


Cuban-Nellie feud intensifies

Mavs owner sues former coach, claims inside info helped Warriors pull playoff upset

01:31 PM CDT on Friday, June 29, 2007

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

The ever-darkening feud between Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former coach Don Nelson has reached a new low.

Cuban is suing Nelson for beating his former team in the playoffs.

That's essentially what it boils down to as Cuban has initiated legal action against the Golden State coach for using inside information about his former team in the regular season and in their epic first-round upset of the Mavs.

Nelson said Friday that he was surprised by Cuban's move and figured it was a reaction to the arbitration Nelson has filed against Cuban over about $6.5 million in deferred money that Nelson and former Mavericks owner Ross Perot Jr. have said is owed to Nelson from the Perot era.

"I'm embarrassed by the whole thing," Nelson said.

There is little doubt that Nelson knows the Mavericks better than any other coach in the league, save Avery Johnson. But strategic secrets are hard to come by in the league, given the extensive scouting web every team has. The Warriors beat the Mavericks in six games in the first round, the first time a No. 8 seed has upset a No. 1 seed in a best-of-seven series. They also went 3-0 against the Mavs in the regular season.

It should be noted, however, that the Golden State hex over the Mavericks started in 2005-06, when Mike Montgomery was coaching the Warriors and they won three out of four games over the Mavs despite owning a far inferior record.

Cuban, who is having hip-replacement surgery Friday, could not immediately be reached for comment.

But it's clear that the bottom line is about money. Nelson had resigned his coaching position with the Mavericks in March, 2004. He was paid for one more season at his coaching salary, then was to begin work in a consultant's role at a greatly reduced salary, believed to be $200,000 annually.

Cuban's claim is that taking the Golden State coaching position last summer violated a non-compete clause in Nelson's contract."

[Findog]

Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.

According to some Spurs fans, Nellie's lawyer = judge, jury and executioner.

If this is true, Cuban is a giant douche and is just making things harder on himself and his franchise. But I have a hard time believing he'd be that shortsighted and stupid. You don't become a billionaire and resurrect a dead franchise if you can't see the forest for the trees.

[Sweetey]

Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h258/jlo49/baby.jpg

[Findog]

Isn't Cuban kinda young for a hip replacement? Maybe they meant "brain replacement." An "ego reduction" would certainly do the idiot some good.


Cuban-Nellie feud intensifies

Mavs owner sues former coach, claims inside info helped Warriors pull playoff upset

01:31 PM CDT on Friday, June 29, 2007

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

The ever-darkening feud between Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former coach Don Nelson has reached a new low.

Cuban is suing Nelson for beating his former team in the playoffs.

That's essentially what it boils down to as Cuban has initiated legal action against the Golden State coach for using inside information about his former team in the regular season and in their epic first-round upset of the Mavs.

Nelson said Friday that he was surprised by Cuban's move and figured it was a reaction to the arbitration Nelson has filed against Cuban over about $6.5 million in deferred money that Nelson and former Mavericks owner Ross Perot Jr. have said is owed to Nelson from the Perot era.

"I'm embarrassed by the whole thing," Nelson said.

There is little doubt that Nelson knows the Mavericks better than any other coach in the league, save Avery Johnson. But strategic secrets are hard to come by in the league, given the extensive scouting web every team has. The Warriors beat the Mavericks in six games in the first round, the first time a No. 8 seed has upset a No. 1 seed in a best-of-seven series. They also went 3-0 against the Mavs in the regular season.

It should be noted, however, that the Golden State hex over the Mavericks started in 2005-06, when Mike Montgomery was coaching the Warriors and they won three out of four games over the Mavs despite owning a far inferior record.

Cuban, who is having hip-replacement surgery Friday, could not immediately be reached for comment.

But it's clear that the bottom line is about money. Nelson had resigned his coaching position with the Mavericks in March, 2004. He was paid for one more season at his coaching salary, then was to begin work in a consultant's role at a greatly reduced salary, believed to be $200,000 annually.

Cuban's claim is that taking the Golden State coaching position last summer violated a non-compete clause in Nelson's contract."

So according to that article, Nellie says Cuban is vindictively suing him for using "trade secrets" and "insider info" to beat the Mavs. According to Cuban, he is making a counter-claim against Nellie for violating a no-compete clause in his consulting contract. Good thing Spurs fans wouldn't be on the jury.

[41times]

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the B@stard!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

[Findog]

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the B@stard!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

Why don't we wait for an arbitrator to rule before just taking Nellie's word for it that this is what Cuban is doing?

[T Park]

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

[ducks]

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the B@stard!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?
why in the hell did he wait this long then for

why not the day he signed the contract with gs?
WHY! Because he is now throwing a hissing fit he losted to the 8 seed
LOSER

[Fast Dunk]

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?


Read the article dumbass, Nellie was still under contract, Avery Johnson didn't have any ties with the Spurs... :sleep

[Sweetey]

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the B@stard!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?
Cuban will never be any more than a sorry ass loser. He threatened to sell the Mavs last Summer after they got their asses whipped by the Heat. His excuse for that loss was that the NBA Officiating was not honest so he was selling the team -- Big LOYALTY ----riiight ! Now after getting his ass whipped yet again, only this time by the 8th seeded Warriors, he is suing Nellie. Cuban needs to sell the Mavs and forget about owning ANY professional franchise. His ego is too big to take LOSING and he will always be a LOSER as a pro sports owner !!

[clambake]

What a disgrace. He shouldn't even sue on the contract. Nellie's son works for him. What kind of dysfunction exist in that HQ?

[Sweetey]

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

He probably "pulled" something looking for an excuse for this stupid lawsuit ! :lol

[Findog]

Cuban will never be any more than a sorry ass loser.

Right. Team's record in the 00-01 season when he took over: 10-24 They finished 30-17. Ten year playoff drought when he bought the team. Haven't missed the playoffs in every full season since he owned the franchise.


He threatened to sell the Mavs last Summer after they got their asses whipped by the Heat. His excuse for that loss was that the NBA Officiating was not honest so he was selling the team -- Big LOYALTY ----riiight !

His excuse was internal politics within the NBA's Board of Governors. Don't let your distaste for him equate to a distaste for facts.


Now after getting his ass whipped yet again, only this time by the 8th seeded Warriors, he is suing Nellie. Cuban needs to sell the Mavs and forget about owning ANY professional franchise. His ego is too big to take LOSING and he will always be a LOSER as a pro sports owner

According to Nellie's camp.

[Findog]

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.

[Sweetey]

Right. Team's record in the 00-01 season when he took over: 10-24 They finished 30-17. Ten year playoff drought when he bought the team. Haven't missed the playoffs in every full season since he owned the franchise.



His excuse was internal politics within the NBA's Board of Governors. Don't let your distaste for him equate to a distaste for facts.



According to Nellie's camp.
Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!

[Findog]

Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!

Are you 12 years old? Do you understand how arbitration claims work? Do you understand the principle of being above .500 in wins and losses?

[Mav Troll]

Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!
fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sweetey]

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.
What kind of stupid statement is that? Reading comprehension problems mister? Have your mommy read the article in the Dallas Morning News to you.

LOSER !!

[Sweetey]

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooooooooo - yet ANOTHER classless Mavwrecks fan. I am sooooooo scare. :lol

[Findog]

What kind of stupid statement is that? Reading comprehension problems mister? Have your mommy read the article in the Dallas Morning News to you.

LOSER !!

You're funny...but I'm afraid adult illiteracy isn't funny at all, assuming you are an adult. The article's only source for the claim is Nellie and his lawyer. A basic principle of jurisprudence is that we don't take one side's claims as gospel, a judge or arbitrator makes that determination.

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

:wtf

i mean everytime i read a post on any forum, i know it had to have come from some human being in this world, with a brain. in rare circumstances, like this, i wonder if a human actually produced that....

[Sweetey]

Are you 12 years old? Do you understand how arbitration claims work? Do you understand the principle of being above .500 in wins and losses?
Spin it any way you want -- Empty trophy room says it all !!

[StylisticS]

From my understanding on various boards, this is about Nellie wanting Cuban to pay him his money while he coaches another team when he's still under contract to be a consultant for the team. So this is less about the Warriors beating them and more about Nelson wanting Cuban to give him his money. I wonder if Cuban should have denied him coaching another team if that was the case. But this happens every time in business situations. Just this one has fame all over it.

What I wonder about this is what is Donnie Nelson doing? How does he feel about it?

[Findog]

Spin it any way you want -- Empty trophy room says it all !!

We're not discussing which franchise has more trophies. This is about:

A) an unverified claim made against Cuban by Nellie

and

B) your reading comprehension problems since you apparently can't grasp that.

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao @ Mav Fan circling his wagons around The Great Leader.

[Findog]

:wtf

i mean everytime i read a post on any forum, i know it had to have come from some human being in this world, with a brain. in rare circumstances, like this, i wonder if a human actually produced that....

Spurs fan in disguise.

[smeagol]

Findog, very noble of you trying to defend Cuban.

Nevertheless, he is a giant douche, wether you admit it or not. Regardless of him resurrecting the Mavs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They're disbanding?

The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

It's why they lost to the Heat last year (crying about Wade drawing fouls) and then again this year (boo hoo, Nellie knows us).



So you're taking Nellie's lawyer at face value on this? It may well turn out to be true, but generally speaking, isn't there an arbitration process to decide which claims are true and which aren't? Considering how asinine and idiotic it makes the Mavericks look, there's not a possibility that Nellie's attorney is simply casting Cuban in the worst possible light in order to make things easier for his client?

You might have a point if Dallas radio wasn't talking about this in the morning on the drive to work, and were citing sources close to the Mavs. They weren't even talking about this article, they were talking about hearing from within the Mavs organization, and were also wondering about the impact this would have on Donnie Nelson and his relationship with Cuban.

So, yeah, I'm going to give it some credence, certainly more than Cuban's incessant whining that Nellie used trade secrets to beat the Mavs.

[BUMP]

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!
:rollin

[Findog]

:lmao @ Mav Fan circling his wagons around The Great Leader.

Hey, if it's true, Cuban sucks. I need a bit more to go on than Nellie talking to one of his favorite beat writers. I hope you're accused of something someday in the newspapers and presumed guilty.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the B@stard!

I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

Cuban doesn't reward loyalty. He rewards suck ups. If Cuban had a problem with Nellie coaching, he should have sued him to stop it two years ago when Nellie went to California.

Not doing it then, and only doing it now, brings Cuban's decision to sue into scrutiny (and rightfully so).

[Sweetey]

We're not discussing which franchise has more trophies. This is about:

A) an unverified claim made against Cuban by Nellie

and

B) your reading comprehension problems since you apparently can't grasp that.
And your reading comprehension is that of a first grader. This is about Mark Cuban not being able to accept LOSING. Last year is was that the NBA Officials cheated and now it is because the coach he fired whipped his ass in the first round. Deal with it !!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

Fell down too many times in the shower after the games.

[ShoogarBear]

Hey, if it's true, Cuban sucks. I need a bit more to go on than Nellie talking to one of his favorite beat writers. I hope you're accused of something someday in the newspapers and presumed guilty.Problem is, this is 10,000% consistent with everything else Cuban has ever done in his life.

[BUMP]

The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

now this i actually agree with. Cuban just needs to move on and not worry about the loss. he is taking this way too far. despite 90% of Spur fans on here not knowing what is going on, (including me, i have no idea) this really is the answer. Cuban needs to just not worry about it

[maxpower]

Regardless of the reason for this. The wording is what is in question. He comes off as a crying baby. If this was such a big deal, why bring it up after the loss and not as soon as nellie was hired.

Even the dallas media(the ticket) is embarrassed for such a douche act.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.

Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.

[Findog]

The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

It's why they lost to the Heat last year (crying about Wade drawing fouls) and then again this year (boo hoo, Nellie knows us).

I don't have a problem with any of that, I was bitter for a while after the Finals, but ultimately I came to realize that the refs didn't cost us. I think the team realizes that as well. I don't think Avery allows them to indulge that mindset. But this is just jumping to conclusions based on an article by Eddie Sefko when apparently the only person he talked to was Nellie.




You might have a point if Dallas radio wasn't talking about this in the morning on the drive to work, and were citing sources close to the Mavs. They weren't even talking about this article, they were talking about hearing from within the Mavs organization, and were also wondering about the impact this would have on Donnie Nelson and his relationship with Cuban.

Who did you listen to, the Musers? I only caught the first part of that segment as I was pulling into work. I enjoy the Ticket but they don't break news, the only thing I heard was conjecture about how Del Harris "must've been" the "mole" and how Cuban fired him...which is weird because if Cuban honestly feels like Harris was actively aiding the Warriors in that series, it's rather strange he continues to pay him.

I'm pretty curious about Donnie's feelings and role in all of this, but if he really had a problem with Cuban and what's going on with his dad, don't you think he would've left the team by now?



So, yeah, I'm going to give it some credence, certainly more than Cuban's incessant whining that Nellie used trade secrets to beat the Mavs.

Yeah, according to Nellie. It's fine to put stock in it if you want, but the whole idea is so asinine and stupid. Hate on Cuban all you want, but the man is not dumb. If true, it makes the Mavs' franchise look terrible and dampens enthusiasm for coaches and players to come here.

[Findog]

Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.

What criticism am I ignoring? That our perimeter d sucks? That we lost our composure and poise against Mia/GS?

I'm just not going to run with this solely on the basis of Nellie talking on the phone to Eddie Sefko.

[Findog]

Findog, very noble of you trying to defend Cuban.

Nevertheless, he is a giant douche, wether you admit it or not. Regardless of him resurrecting the Mavs.

If what Eddie Sefko reports is true, he's a giant douche. All I'm defending here is due process.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Cuban doesn't reward loyalty. He rewards suck ups. If Cuban had a problem with Nellie coaching, he should have sued him to stop it two years ago when Nellie went to California.

Not doing it then, and only doing it now, brings Cuban's decision to sue into scrutiny (and rightfully so).


agreed.

also the original article says that Nellie signed with GS only after Cuban had stopped paying him. no pay = no job.
I've alwasy thougth that stopping paychecks was the pussy version of ending someone's employment.
And as you ppinted out - it's not like Nelson signed with GS in April of this year....

[Obstructed_View]

Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.
Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

[Obstructed_View]

If what Eddie Sefko reports is true, he's a giant douche. All I'm defending here is due process.
Due process has about as much to do with peoples' opinions as truth has to do with legal rulings. All you're defending here is the owner of your team, to whom you are unnaturally devoted.

[Findog]

Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

Cuban gets credit for paying the luxury tax and for signing off on transactions to bring in more talent. I never said he was a player personnel guru.

[ShoogarBear]

I'm pretty curious about Donnie's feelings and role in all of this, but if he really had a problem with Cuban and what's going on with his dad, don't you think he would've left the team by now?Must be a tough position to be in. On the one hand, there's probably no better setup in the NBA (other than maybe the Portland gig now). Onthe other hand, it's got to be an emotional strain for him. Even if this particular story isn't what it appears, it's clear that Cuban and his dad hate each other.

[Findog]

Due process has about as much to do with peoples' opinions as truth has to do with legal rulings. All you're defending here is the owner of your team, to whom you are unnaturally devoted.

With all due respect, I don't see how that bears the slightest relation to what I've been posting.

If it's true, I'll be dismayed. But one side in a legal dispute doesn't have a monopoly on the facts.

[Findog]

Must be a tough position to be in. On the one hand, there's probably no better setup in the NBA (other than maybe the Portland gig now). Onthe other hand, it's got to be an emotional strain for him. Even if this particular story isn't what it appears, it's clear that Cuban and his dad hate each other.

The fued between Big Nellie and Cubes is nothing new. Donnie has made his peace with it if he continues to work for the Mavs.

[MarkCuban]

Oh all you Spurs fans can fuck me especially hard up the anal tract with a ten foot poll. you guys make me so sick. you make me want to vomit, eat my vomit, and vomit again. two words, WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS! how did it feel to get beat at home in game 7 last year? oh nevermind, you guys disappeared like cockroaches after that game. im not even worried about that greasy trash dunghole you call San Antonio, home to the world's only toilet museum. you'll want to sue me after we're done sweeping you guys next year in the playoffs. then i'll ride through San Antonio on my white stallion shitting all over your town, not even SAM HOUSTON WILL BE ABLE TO STOP ME!!!!! :devil

as far as this case goes, stay the fuck out of it. all you San Antonians know about the courtroom is that you arent allowed to bring in yer guns or burritos. what do they teach you guys in your school system anyway? oh yeah, RECESS! in fact, i might just make up my whole jury full of Mav fans, and i know they will back me against that assShard Don Nelson. he doesnt stand a fucking chance!

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

my son!

[BeerIsGood!]

I think, on a side note, that I have just found the biggest whore in Professional sports.

His name is Donnie Nelson, aka Don Nelson Jr., who proceeds to work for this ass Cuban even though Cuban has taken every shot possible at his father. I can't imagine working for anyone treating my father this way. This isn't business anymore, these are personal attacks and personal vendettas being carried out behind lawyers. If Donnie Nelson doesn't walk into Cuban's office and resign then he's the biggest whore in sports. Money isn't worth selling out your family.

[Obstructed_View]

Cuban gets credit for paying the luxury tax and for signing off on transactions to bring in more talent. I never said he was a player personnel guru.
You mean like the luxury tax that he saved by cutting Michael Finley? Cuban gets credit for not bleeding the franchise like Perot did, but not much more.

[ShoogarBear]

The fued between Big Nellie and Cubes is nothing new. Donnie has made his peace with it if he continues to work for the Mavs.Uh, I bet the current situation is something he can't just "make peace with" one time and move on. He has to deal continually with escalating levels of acrimony, and, assuming he's still got a good relationship with Don, there's potentially a limit to what he can take.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, according to Nellie. It's fine to put stock in it if you want, but the whole idea is so asinine and stupid. Hate on Cuban all you want, but the man is not dumb. If true, it makes the Mavs' franchise look terrible and dampens enthusiasm for coaches and players to come here

You're right, the man is not dumb. He is, however, a spoiled freakin' brat who pouts and holds his breathe in a lame attempt to get what he wants.

Last year he blames his team's meltdown on the league hooking up Wade and Miami, calls it all fixed, and threatens to sell the team.

This year, a month after his season ends, he pulls this crap and acts like his team only lost because Nellie was getting passed the game plans or something stupid like that. GS didn't need insider info. to beat the Mavs, they were in their heads (from the players to AJ to Cuban) before the series even started, and it was already over at that point.


Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

Sadly, a lot of people up here in Dallas do. My cousin already had a meltdown over this today via email, and he idolizes Cuban.

[Obstructed_View]

I just don't understand how Jerry Jones is criticized because people think he does all the things Mark Cuban is loved for actually doing.

[dmac]

Priceless! Does Cuban realize how ridiculous this sounds? He's suing Nellie for knowing how to trip up his choking team ... what's next? Is he going to sue Finley for helping his division rivals win the title while collecting Cuban's checks?
you know that's next. what a f-ing tool.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I think, on a side note, that I have just found the biggest whore in Professional sports.

His name is Donnie Nelson, aka Don Nelson Jr., who proceeds to work for this ass Cuban even though Cuban has taken every shot possible at his father. I can't imagine working for anyone treating my father this way. This isn't business anymore, these are personal attacks and personal vendettas being carried out behind lawyers. If Donnie Nelson doesn't walk into Cuban's office and resign then he's the biggest whore in sports. Money isn't worth selling out your family.


Excellent point.
I'll be on the look out for a newsbite about Jr leaving the team.

blood should be thicker than $$.

[Reggie Miller]

I think when this is all said and done, we will discover that is was really all about $6.5 million dollars. As an attorney, I will add that so far all we have is a polemic from Nelson's side, which is not evidence.

In the final analysis, this would not be a smart move for Cuban, since established coaches would now be leery of taking the Dallas job. Also, it certainly doesn't look good to the outside world. That said, 6.5 million dollars buys a LOT of pride.

[ShoogarBear]

And yet you wanted to sign with him.^

[Sweetey]

I think when this is all said and done, we will discover that is was really all about $6.5 million dollars. As an attorney, I will add that so far all we have is a polemic from Nelson's side, which is not evidence.

In the final analysis, this would not be a smart move for Cuban, since established coaches would now be leery of taking the Dallas job. Also, it certainly doesn't look good to the outside world. That said, 6.5 million dollars buys a LOT of pride.
Speaking of "established coaches" the talk around Dallas and Houston is that Avery Johnson is seriously embarrassed by Cuban's antics. Read Cuban's own blog on the Dallas Morning News -- majority of the Mavs fans are very ashamed of Cuban as well. The joke needs to go ahead and purchase the Cubs as he states he wants to. He'll still be a LOSER and a JOKE but at least he won't reside in Texas !!!!!!!

[Findog]

Uh, I bet the current situation is something he can't just "make peace with" one time and move on. He has to deal continually with escalating levels of acrimony, and, assuming he's still got a good relationship with Don, there's potentially a limit to what he can take.

Well, he was on Galloway and Company during my commute home from work. They didn't ask him about it, but he doesn't sound like somebody planning to leave the Mavericks anytime soon. It's entirely possible that "inside information" is nothing more than legal jargon related to Cuban's counter-claim regarding the no-compete clause.

[Findog]

I think when this is all said and done, we will discover that is was really all about $6.5 million dollars. As an attorney, I will add that so far all we have is a polemic from Nelson's side, which is not evidence.

Thanks Reggie. Didn't stop the media or opposing fans from running with it to flog Cuban. And I find it interesting that Nellie finds the candor to give his version of events on the eve of the free-agency signing period. It makes the Mavericks look like a dysfunctional franchise run by Howard Hughes. If that were true, we wouldn't have been one of the upper-echelon teams in the last seven years.

The legal consensus is that Cuban is going to lose that lawsuit. He's holding up on paying Nellie out of spite because what isn't in dispute is that Nellie quit on this team after Nash signed with Phoenix. However, he didn't step down right away. He just did a lackluster coaching job. Cuban took that quite personally and is using his fortune to tie this up in litigation as long as possible.



In the final analysis, this would not be a smart move for Cuban, since established coaches would now be leery of taking the Dallas job. Also, it certainly doesn't look good to the outside world. That said, 6.5 million dollars buys a LOT of pride.

I agree that $6.5 million is not worth this kind of public fight. And it doesn't matter even if objective, impartial observers sided with Cuban after hearing both sides' versions and all the facts. Getting into this kind of ugly dispute only hurts your franchise. He should pay Nellie the money, release an insincere press release grudingly praising him for his contributions to the franchise and wish him well and move on.

[Findog]

You mean like the luxury tax that he saved by cutting Michael Finley? Cuban gets credit for not bleeding the franchise like Perot did, but not much more.

Hey, he's not selling off our draft picks like Sarver. He's not raising tickets prices and content to just make a buck like Sterling of Bob Johnson. He has more of a fucking clue that Dolan. I mean, honestly, how many owners in this league are better than him? I can honestly say I'd only take Holt, Davidson and a few others over Mark Cuban.

You're letting your dislike of Cuban color the fact that he does a better job of running his franchise than most.

[HJNTX]

Oh all you Spurs fans can fuck me especially hard up the anal tract with a ten foot poll. you guys make me so sick. you make me want to vomit, eat my vomit, and vomit again. two words, WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS! how did it feel to get beat at home in game 7 last year? oh nevermind, you guys disappeared like cockroaches after that game. im not even worried about that greasy trash dunghole you call San Antonio, home to the world's only toilet museum. you'll want to sue me after we're done sweeping you guys next year in the playoffs. then i'll ride through San Antonio on my white stallion shitting all over your town, not even SAM HOUSTON WILL BE ABLE TO STOP ME!!!!! :devil

as far as this case goes, stay the fuck out of it. all you San Antonians know about the courtroom is that you arent allowed to bring in yer guns or burritos. what do they teach you guys in your school system anyway? oh yeah, RECESS! in fact, i might just make up my whole jury full of Mav fans, and i know they will back me against that assShard Don Nelson. he doesnt stand a fucking chance!


my son!



Hmmm .. .Cuban ....You're a woosie!!!!!!!

[Findog]

Last year he blames his team's meltdown on the league hooking up Wade and Miami, calls it all fixed, and threatens to sell the team.

Quote please? The entry on his blog specifically rejected notions of conspiracy theories and fixing as ludicrous. I think all he took exception to was the Stackhouse suspension. And I agree it was bullshit. I don't feel like opening up another line of argument, so if you don't see it the same way, we can just agree to disagree.


This year, a month after his season ends, he pulls this crap and acts like his team only lost because Nellie was getting passed the game plans or something stupid like that.

So says Nellie. He's not exacty unbiased here.


GS didn't need insider info. to beat the Mavs, they were in their heads (from the players to AJ to Cuban) before the series even started, and it was already over at that point.

Agreed, which is why this whole thing doesn't pass the smell test.




Sadly, a lot of people up here in Dallas do. My cousin already had a meltdown over this today via email, and he idolizes Cuban.

I don't idolize the man, and I'm not blind to his faults, believe me, amongst Maverick fans, a lot of fun is poked at him and his ways, but I appreciate his contributions in turning the Mavs around. I'm not going to throw him under the bus on the basis of Nellie's word alone.

[Findog]

And your reading comprehension is that of a first grader. This is about Mark Cuban not being able to accept LOSING. Last year is was that the NBA Officials cheated and now it is because the coach he fired whipped his ass in the first round. Deal with it !!


I'm dealing with those losses just fine. Life goes on. What you can't seem to deal with is that when two people are feuding, one person's claims aren't automatically the gospel. If you ever have to deal with the criminal justice system or get sued yourself, you'll be grateful for this principle.

I rest my case troll.

[birdy219]

My reply to all of this is... :dramaquee but more importantly...
:lol :spin :clap :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :flag:

[Findog]

Problem is, this is 10,000% consistent with everything else Cuban has ever done in his life.

How so? Didn't he pay Nellie a consulting gig for a year after Nellie quit on the team? That's awfully generous.

Del Harris retired and he's paying him to stay around as a consultant. Cuban is a flawed human being like anybody else, but you make him out to be Darth Vader.

[Findog]

Regardless of the reason for this. The wording is what is in question. He comes off as a crying baby. If this was such a big deal, why bring it up after the loss and not as soon as nellie was hired.

Even the dallas media(the ticket) is embarrassed for such a douche act.


I'm sure the Ticket got an entertaining segment out of it on a slow news day today, but they aren't the final authority on anything.

[saporvida]

Teh Google failed me, sorry for the bullshit call. I can't fucking believe this is real. I just lost what little respect I had left for Cuban.

you had respect for cuban to begin with? ive always thought that guy was a fuckin loser and have never respected him whatsoever.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey, he's not selling off our draft picks like Sarver. He's not raising tickets prices and content to just make a buck like Sterling of Bob Johnson. He has more of a fucking clue that Dolan. I mean, honestly, how many owners in this league are better than him? I can honestly say I'd only take Holt, Davidson and a few others over Mark Cuban.

You're letting your dislike of Cuban color the fact that he does a better job of running his franchise than most.
Sarver and Dolan are Cuban clones. They are rich fans with egos that make the same kind of decisions. So far, Sarver's had as much success as Cuban has, because he bought a team with talent, good personnel people and an arena. Robert Johnson is running an expansion franchise, and has yet to "make a buck" while he gets it established.

Mark Cuban has done a better job with the Mavericks than anyone else that's owned the team, but that's kind of like saying Sterling is the best owner the Clippers have had since they moved to LA. My dislike for him has been well earned over the last seven and a half years. I followed and liked the Mavericks until he deposited his money and withdrew all the class.

[50 cent]

Did Cuban bust his hip in the shower while trying to fuck Dirk in the ass?

[Sweetey]

Did Cuban bust his hip in the shower while trying to fuck Dirk in the ass?
No, his butthole buddy, Findog, was giving it a try but his 1-incher just didn't work for Cuban and the extender broke sending them both to their knees. Tragically, Cuban broke his hip trying to get up. As for Findog ----- you can only imagine !!

[phyzik]

I understand what you (Findog) are saying but this just screams Cuban, therefore Im inclined to believe the original article.


....Boy who cried wolf....

[Warlord23]

Give it up, Findog. The Mavericks have the biggest whining douchebag among all pro sports owners, and this is just another episode of the same story.

I do agree that this is probably more financial and letter-of-the-law nitpicking. But that doesn't change the fact that it is Cuban who is coming off looking foolish. So first he won't pay Nellie. So Nellie goes and signs with another team. Then Cuban blames Nellie for contractual violation? Heck, Cuban committed the first violation by not paying Nellie. What was Nellie supposed to do, honor his "contract" even when he wasn't getting paid?

Embarrassing. Cuban has hit a new low and outdone Suns fans at the whining game.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

LOL @ Findog trying to discount the flagship station of the Dallas Mavericks here in Dallas as uninformed. Keep spinning, Findog.

[exstatic]

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?
Too much butt secks....
:downspin:

[toosmallshoes]

Holy shit. I totally called this way back in march in a thread entitled "wouldn't it be awesome..." going on to say:
"...if Golden State beat out the Clippers for the 8th spot in the West and Don Nelson got a chance to oust the Mavericks in the first round. If that happened Mark Cuban might try sanctioning the league to declare Don Nelson "illeagal". Go Warriors!"

Wow. Nailed that one.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62191

[Sweetey]

Holy shit. I totally called this way back in march in a thread entitled "wouldn't it be awesome..." going on to say:
"...if Golden State beat out the Clippers for the 8th spot in the West and Don Nelson got a chance to oust the Mavericks in the first round. If that happened Mark Cuban might try sanctioning the league to declare Don Nelson "illeagal". Go Warriors!"

Wow. Nailed that one.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62191
You better hide. Cubeless will find a way to sue you too !!!!!

$5 billion = dip shit

!!!!!http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h258/jlo49/Cuban-HeadCase.jpg

[Findog]

LOL @ Findog trying to discount the flagship station of the Dallas Mavericks here in Dallas as uninformed. Keep spinning, Findog.

The Ticket = Gospel? I listen to them everyday, because I can't stand Mike and Mike or Galloway. But they have as much insight on this as you do, which is digesting an Eddie Sefko article.

Also, doesn't ESPN local have the Mavericks radio rights as far "flagship" station goes?

[Findog]

Give it up, Findog. The Mavericks have the biggest whining douchebag among all pro sports owners, and this is just another episode of the same story.

Making fun of the Riverwalk stings that much?



I do agree that this is probably more financial and letter-of-the-law nitpicking.

But it's an opportunity to pile on and crack jokes. Hey, it's a Spurs board, you're having fun, but you're also out on a limb.


But that doesn't change the fact that it is Cuban who is coming off looking foolish. So first he won't pay Nellie. So Nellie goes and signs with another team. Then Cuban blames Nellie for contractual violation? Heck, Cuban committed the first violation by not paying Nellie. What was Nellie supposed to do, honor his "contract" even when he wasn't getting paid?


The arbitrator's job is to sift through competing claims. But so far all we have is Nellie's lawyer saying "He's suing us for winning that series." If I'm ever accused of something, I don't want you on my jury.

[Findog]

I understand what you (Findog) are saying but this just screams Cuban, therefore Im inclined to believe the original article.


....Boy who cried wolf....

Good, if I'm ever charged with a crime, hopefully you won't be on the jury.

[Switchman]

I REALLY try to like Cuban. I enjoy listening to him talk about business and love his passion for the game of basketball.

But damn, why does he have to be an asshat.

[milkyway21]

He was paid for one more season at his coaching salary, then was to begin work in a consultant's role at a greatly reduced salary, believed to be $200,000 annually.
Cuban's claim is that taking the Golden State coaching position last summer violated a non-compete clause in Nelson's contract."
Cuban may have a case here but isn't it TOO LATE already?He shld have filed earlier after learning Nelson, a consultant of his team accepted the GS coaching job.

[Findog]

I REALLY try to like Cuban. I enjoy listening to him talk about business and love his passion for the game of basketball.

But damn, why does he have to be an asshat.

By biggest problem with this is that he just won't pay Nellie off and make it go away. The legal consensus is that he's going to lose the lawsuit because the Mavericks franchise does indeed owe Nellie the money. By playing hardball, he's opening himself up to nasty tactics in response, like Nellie's lawyer spinning the counter-claim as being a sore loser and essentially suing Nellie for winning the GS series to the media.

I can't defend that. I just don't think what Nellie's attorney is saying passes the smell test.

[HJNTX]

The Ticket = Gospel? I listen to them everyday, because I can't stand Mike and Mike or Galloway. But they have as much insight on this as you do, which is digesting an Eddie Sefko article.

Also, doesn't ESPN local have the Mavericks radio rights as far "flagship" station goes?


I too detest "Mike and Mike.." My favs are Steven A. Smith and Jim Rome ... Both can be a bit abrasive, but I like that ...

[Findog]

I think, on a side note, that I have just found the biggest whore in Professional sports.

His name is Donnie Nelson, aka Don Nelson Jr., who proceeds to work for this ass Cuban even though Cuban has taken every shot possible at his father. I can't imagine working for anyone treating my father this way. This isn't business anymore, these are personal attacks and personal vendettas being carried out behind lawyers. If Donnie Nelson doesn't walk into Cuban's office and resign then he's the biggest whore in sports. Money isn't worth selling out your family.

Who knows what all the facts are? On a personal note, my father is a chronic alcoholic, I can't and won't defend everything he does just because "he's my dad." Cuban is apparently wrong on the legal side to hold up the deferred compensation from the Perot days, but there is no disputing that Nellie quit on this team, half-assed it and then FINALLY resigned after barely 'coaching' this team for half a year. Maybe Donnie doesn't feel like that can be defended. I'm not going to defend Cuban blindly, I will acknowledge his faults, but Big Nellie is not a saint. His hands aren't entirely clean in this. I can understand Cuban's anger on Nellie giving up on this team but not his job when Cuban's highest priority is winning a title.

[Findog]

I too detest "Mike and Mike.." My favs are Steven A. Smith and Jim Rome ... Both can be a bit abrasive, but I like that ...

It's endemic to the talk radio industry for on-air personalities to carry themselves as experts on things that they know nothing about, but they are a special brand of douchitude.

[nsrammstein]

The classy franchise that is the San Antonio Spurs would be so fucking dissappointed with their fans right now!!

[ShoogarBear]

The classy franchise that is the San Antonio Spurs would be so fucking dissappointed with their fans right now!!Another problem Mav Fan need never worry about.

Along with where to park the car before the parade.

[conqueso]

I hate to support Cuban on this, but he does have a point. If Nellie wants the contract enforced so that he can get paid the money that is owed to him under it, that same contract does in fact include a clause prohibiting him to compete against the Mavericks. Statute of limitations on the breach is 4 years, so Cuban is still within his rights to sue under the contract (if it is indeed held valid). If the contract is not valid, then the no compete clause dies, but so does the obligation to pay Nellie (at least after the breach of the material term, in this case the no compete clause). Not knowing much about the situation other than what's been reported in the media, I'd guess that Cubes has to pay consulting fees up until the time that Nellie joined GS, but not after. However, I don't think Cuban's all-or-nothing assessment is correct. Nellie will get what he was owed under the contract until he breached one of the material terms by coaching another NBA team. I guess another way to look at it is that if the contract was breached when Cuban refused to pay Nellie before Nellie in fact later breached, he will get the value of his services up until that point, and any other damages he incurred by relying on the contract. It's unlikely he will get the full ~$6 mil since he did in fact breach and the contract was for Nellie's services as consultant which he did not complete.

[Findog]

The classy franchise that is the San Antonio Spurs would be so fucking dissappointed with their fans right now!!

Honestly, this is one of those stories that gives opposing fans a chance to crack jokes. This IS a Spurs board, so no harm, no foul, let them have their fun on their forum. If they honestly think though that the word of Nellie's lawyer is enough to decide this matter, then good for them, they will never have to sit on a jury.

[ShoogarBear]

I hate to support Cuban on this, but he does have a point. If Nellie wants the contract enforced so that he can get paid the money that is owed to him under it, that same contract does in fact include a clause prohibiting him to compete against the Mavericks. Statute of limitations on the breach is 4 years, so Cuban is still within his rights to sue under the contract (if it is indeed held valid). If the contract is not valid, then the no compete clause dies, but so does the obligation to pay Nellie (at least after the breach of the material term, in this case the no compete clause). Not knowing much about the situation other than what's been reported in the media, I'd guess that Cubes has to pay consulting fees up until the time that Nellie joined GS, but not after. However, I don't think Cuban's all-or-nothing assessment is correct. Nellie will get what he was owed under the contract until he breached one of the material terms by coaching another NBA team. I guess another way to look at it is that if the contract was breached when Cuban refused to pay Nellie before Nellie in fact later breached, he will get the value of his services up until that point, and any other damages he incurred by relying on the contract. It's unlikely he will get the full ~$6 mil since he did in fact breach and the contract was for Nellie's services as consultant which he did not complete.I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that once Cuban breached the contract, then Nellie is no longer bound by any of its stipulations and is free to do what he wants, however, he still has the right to sue. For Cuban to countersue after he was the one who breached the contract is folly, I think.

[Findog]

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that once Cuban breached the contract, then Nellie is no longer bound by any of its stipulations. Why should he continue to honor the terms if he wasn't getting paid?

Nellie says Cuban stopped paying him. Cuban says he breached the consulting contract. An arbitrator will decide the facts of the case and who owes what to whom. All we're doing is speculating.

[conqueso]

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that once Cuban breached the contract, then Nellie is no longer bound by any of its stipulations and is free to do what he wants, however, he still has the right to sue. For Cuban to countersue after he was the one who breached the contract is folly, I think.

That's true, but Nellie is suing for the full contract value, and that can only be a valid remedy if he in fact didn't breach its terms either. Put another way, Nellie is claiming (I think) that the contract was valid and continues to be valid and therefore, he deserves all the money under the contract, regardless of whether the Mavs actually "use" his services. That would be true had he not also breached the contract. Yet he is also trying to claim (probably) that the non-compete clause doesn't apply because Cuban breached the contract. However, for that to be true, the contract would have to terminate upon Cuban's original breach, meaning that he can only recover the fair market value of his services up to that point. Or at least that's my understanding of contract law, which isn't one of my strong suits.

[Findog]

I just don't understand how Jerry Jones is criticized because people think he does all the things Mark Cuban is loved for actually doing.

My take on JJ is the same as Cuban: Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin did it on the field, Jimmy assembled the roster, and Jerry signed the checks, signed off on the Herschel trade, signed off on Charles Haley, etc. He gets a portion of the credit for three superbowls, as does Cuban for the Mavs rising from the dregs of the league to an upper-echelon team.

My biggest beef with JJ is Cowboy games are not affordable and he thinks a local municipality is entitled to build him a stadium on their dime.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't understand why Findog doesn't understand the difference between real life and a court of law. I'm expressing my opinion on a message board. I didn't take an oath to be impartial before I did it. You aren't innocent until proven guilty in the real world. Those are ideas and standards that our legal system tries to uphold. There's no obligation not to say anything until all the facts come out. Many of us knew that Nellie took the GS job because Cuban defaulted on the money he owed him. That's the reason folks predict Cubes is going to lose the case. If he can find a way to legally dance around it and get out of it, good for him. Just because OJ was acquitted doesn't make him innocent.

And where did you develop this delusion that Nellie was mailing it in, muchless that it's somehow accepted common knowledge?

[ShoogarBear]

That's true, but Nellie is suing for the full contract value, and that can only be a valid remedy if he in fact didn't breach its terms either. Put another way, Nellie is claiming (I think) that the contract was valid and continues to be valid and therefore, he deserves all the money under the contract, regardless of whether the Mavs actually "use" his services. That would be true had he not also breached the contract. Yet he is also trying to claim (probably) that the non-compete clause doesn't apply because Cuban breached the contract. However, for that to be true, the contract would have to terminate upon Cuban's original breach, meaning that he can only recover the fair market value of his services up to that point. Or at least that's my understanding of contract law, which isn't one of my strong suits.Well, it's not my suit at all. (ba-doom-ching)

But I don't think Nellie has to claim the contract is still valid to sue. I'd guess all he has to claim is that contract was invalidated by Cuban's refusal to payment, and once that happened, he's entitled to seek employment AND sue for breach.

[Findog]

I don't understand why Findog doesn't understand the difference between real life and a court of law. I'm expressing my opinion on a message board. I didn't take an oath to be impartial before I did it. You aren't innocent until proven guilty in the real world. Those are ideas and standards that our legal system tries to uphold. There's no obligation not to say anything until all the facts come out.

I understand speculation and conjecture just fine, I have no problem with it. You're free to believe what you want and offer up an opinion. The gist of the commentary here isn't really opinion though is it, besides the Cuban jokes. it's accepting on faith that Nellie's lawyer is telling the truth. My only point is that it doesn't necessarily make it so.



And where did you develop this delusion that Nellie was mailing it in, muchless that it's somehow accepted common knowledge?

Okay, it's my opinion that the piss-poor job he did the first season sans Nash that culminated in his resignation was mailing it in. He's made comments in the past about how he had lost the "fire" or "passion" or whatever and numerous people inside the organization have characterized his job performance that way. I watch my team's games, I read the sports pages, I read the blogs, I think I have as much of a handle for what's going on with my team as you do yours.

[leemajors]

My take on JJ is the same as Cuban: Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin did it on the field, Jimmy assembled the roster, and Jerry signed the checks, signed off on the Herschel trade, signed off on Charles Haley, etc. He gets a portion of the credit for three superbowls, as does Cuban for the Mavs rising from the dregs of the league to an upper-echelon team.

My biggest beef with JJ is Cowboy games are not affordable and he thinks a local municipality is entitled to build him a stadium on their dime.
from my personal understanding, most cowboy fans who hated jj off the bat did so because of his exceptionally poor handling of the termination of Landry. they're still my team, but that was just bad.

[Findog]

from my personal understanding, most cowboy fans who hated jj off the bat did so because of his exceptionally poor handling of the termination of Landry. they're still my team, but that was just bad.

Yeah, he handled it badly, but the ironic thing is that all throughout the 88 season, the drumbeat kept getting louder and louder: "The game has passed Landry by, it's time for a new coach." He did it artlessly and gracelessly, but he gave the Cowboys fanbase deep down what they wanted. And three superbowls goes pretty far in erasing ill will.

[conqueso]

Well, it's not my suit at all. (ba-doom-ching)

But I don't think Nellie has to claim the contract is still valid to sue. I'd guess all he has to claim is that contract was invalidated by Cuban's refusal to payment, and once that happened, he's entitled to seek employment AND sue for breach.

Yeah, that's right, but he's seeking full damages on the contract, which I guess might be stipulated therein (but doubtfully, and even if it were, it would probably be construed as a penalty and not valid liquidated damages). But otherwise, Cuban wouldn't owe him the entire value on the contract if there were mutual breaches of the contract at different times. Don't get me wrong, Cubes owes Nellie money, no doubt about it, but probably not the full contract price since Nellie fucked up and went and coached another team. The fact that GSW beat Dallas has nothing to do with anything at all, so this "trade secret" bullshit that Nellie's lawyer is trying to pull is just that.

[shelshor]

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?
3 possibilities:
He stuck his foot in his mouth too many times
He stuck his head up his ass too many times
There were complications from the budget colonoscopy Dirk and AJ gave him

[conqueso]

Yeah, he handled it badly, but the ironic thing is that all throughout the 88 season, the drumbeat kept getting louder and louder: "The game has passed Landry by, it's time for a new coach." He did it artlessly and gracelessly, but he gave the Cowboys fanbase deep down what they wanted. And three superbowls goes pretty far in erasing ill will.

Surprise surprise, fickle Dallas fans blaming their coach for the shitiness of their team. Where have I heard that one before?

[Findog]

Surprise surprise, fickle Dallas fans blaming their coach for the shitiness of their team. Where have I heard that one before?

Dallas is a frontrunner's town. Fortuanately I live in Fort Worth.

[Avitus1]

I think anybody that watches and studies Mav's games has this same insider information. Didn't Avery change the team up game 1 against the Warriors, I'm sure that had nothing to do with the loss.

I'm sure Nellie did violate his contract it sounds like that. Thanks Conqueso, but "insider information" to beat the Mavs..... give me a break.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/Toxiclemonade/Spurs/SpurStuff/mavsgs.jpg

[aaronstampler]

The way I read the article, it sounded to me like Cuban would be fine paying Nelson the 6.5 million if he quits his coaching job immediately.

[JustSpurs]

Cuban needs the 6.5 million to pay Finley's Salary next season....

[Sweetey]

From this morning's Dallas News: HILARIOUS !


Cuban is still on Nellie's case

Mavs owner shows he won't let anything go as he sues Nelson

12:34 AM CDT on Saturday, June 30, 2007



For all you fans wanting to know what the heck's going on with the locals while the Warriors get better and the Trail Blazers get better and the Sonics get better and the Mavs get Nick Fazekas, here's your answer:

Mark Cuban has gone nuts.

The official word Friday is that he's in the hospital for "hip replacement surgery," which is the new euphemism for "institutionalized."

How else do you explain it? Sure, we've seen Mad Mark do some silly things in the name of the Mavs. He's warred with the commissioner, warred with the refs, warred with the media, even warred with San Antonio about the toxicity of its River Walk.

But this complaint tops them all: He's suing Don Nelson on grounds that he beat his old team with insider information, and he wants Golden State to cease and desist, herewith.

Frankly, part of me wishes him good luck. Maybe he knows something the rest of us don't. Wouldn't be the first time.

Cuban has made billions doing things no one else thought practical. As has been written in this space before, I'm loath to take on someone not only far smarter than me, but a guy who never sleeps, either.

Still, until we get some kind of response other than a no comment – apparently, you can still e-mail while wearing a straitjacket – we'll have to take this at face value.

A Nellie-Cuban culture primer: Once upon a time, two great minds got together to resurrect a basketball franchise. And for a couple of years, anyway, life was great. But Cuban eventually tired of Nellie's work ethic. Nellie, in turn, resented Cuban's interference. The simmering feud came to a boil when Cuban allowed Nellie's favorite player, Steve Nash, to walk in free agency. For all intents and purposes, Cuban thought Nellie cashed in. And that's how this became a case soon to be handled by Judge Judy.

On the surface, it looks like it's all about money. Nellie says the Mavs owe him $6.5 million from the days when Ross Perot Jr. owned the club, and he wants it. Or a settlement. Cuban says Nellie violated a non-compete clause in his contract by taking the deal to coach the Warriors.

An arbitrator will decide who's right this fall. But you don't need a law degree to know who's wrong.

Since when did money ever matter to Cuban? He's thrown it around with impunity since he bought the team. He's spent more on luxury hotels and plush towels and private jets than he ever owed Nellie.

Money isn't the issue.

Ego, is what it is.

Cuban had every right to question Nellie's work ethic. Nellie sat out part of a season to fix his golf swing, for instance.

And then Nellie quit to become a consultant, and that should have been the end of a good marriage gone bad.

But it didn't end. Cuban won't let it. Next thing you know, you've got both sides alleging breach of contract.

And now, to help his case, Cuban contends that the Warriors beat the Mavs because of Nellie's inside knowledge, violating terms of his non-compete clause.

If Cuban's point holds up in court, no coach who's fired from here on out will ever get another job in his or her sport again.

For that matter, how much did Nellie need to know? The Warriors' hold on the Mavs predated Nellie's arrival. The problem the last couple of years has been the matchup. All any team needs to handle the Warriors is a low-post presence and a point guard. The Mavs have neither. Utah has both, which is how Golden State got bounced from the playoffs after its historic upset.

Things weren't always so bad between Mark Cuban and Don Nelson.

Either Cuban thinks Nellie is still getting inside info about his old team – in which case, he should clean house – or it's all just a legal maneuver to cloud the issue.

"Mark has always claimed that Don was always looking for excuses to lose," said John O'Connor, Nellie's lawyer. "It seems like somebody else is making excuses here."

Best guess: Cuban doesn't really think Nellie beat them, no matter what it looks like. He simply can't let anything go.

Bad enough when the league's best regular-season team gets booted from the playoffs by the eighth seed. Mad Mark won't let a bad ending die peacefully. He wants to drag it out, create a circus, exact his revenge, no matter what the cost. And money is the least of it.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/063007dnsposherrington.382ea93.html

[ShoogarBear]

"Mark has always claimed that Don was always looking for excuses to lose," said John O'Connor, Nellie's lawyer. "It seems like somebody else is making excuses here."

Now this statement is 100% on the mark. Nellie's always been one who was more about getting Coach of the Year platitudes for exceeding expectations, but when he SHOULD have won, always complained about how he didn't have the talent.

[HJNTX]

I think anybody that watches and studies Mav's games has this same insider information. Didn't Avery change the team up game 1 against the Warriors, I'm sure that had nothing to do with the loss.

I'm sure Nellie did violate his contract it sounds like that. Thanks Conqueso, but "insider information" to beat the Mavs..... give me a break.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/Toxiclemonade/Spurs/SpurStuff/mavsgs.jpg

BIGTIME!!! :fro

[Findog]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/063007dnsposherrington.382ea93.html

All based on the word of Nellie's attorney that this is Cuban's counterclaim. Good thing an op-ed doesn't count as evidence. Pretty dismal by the media to run with this without all of the facts being in.

[bresilhac]

How so? Didn't he pay Nellie a consulting gig for a year after Nellie quit on the team? That's awfully generous.

Del Harris retired and he's paying him to stay around as a consultant. Cuban is a flawed human being like anybody else, but you make him out to be Darth Vader.

That Cuban is a flawed human being is probably the understatement of the decade. Cuban's much worse than that though. He's a loudmouth, pain in the rear end, sore loser and flat out cancer on the backside of the NBA. The league hates him, fans around the league certainly hate him and I'm not even sure that his own players like or respect him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. Simply put Cuban is a disgrace to the league and is ill-suited to being an NBA owner. Used car salesman would be a more appropriate vocation for that idiot.

[Findog]

Cuban's much worse than that though.

And you know him personally?


He's a loudmouth, pain in the rear end, sore loser and flat out cancer on the backside of the NBA.

He runs his franchise better than everybody except maybe San Antonio or Detroit. I'll take him over most. It's his responsibility to hire people that know what they're doing and make the financial commitment to building a winner. I don't know if you noticed but the franchise was in the dumps when he took over. And the roster has completely turned over with the exception of Dirk. Worry about your own franchise and I'll worry about mine.



The league hates him,

Good, he's doing something right


fans around the league certainly hate him

Don't care.


and I'm not even sure that his own players like or respect him.

Speculation and conjecture on your part. If that were the case, I would imagine Avery would've quit by now, Dirk, Josh and JET wouldn't be so eager to sign extensions and Dallas wouldnt be a desirable FA destination.


Simply put Cuban is a disgrace to the league and is ill-suited to being an NBA owner. Used car salesman would be a more appropriate vocation for that idiot

Well, according to Spurs fan, so I guess that settles it. You're right, I would prefer Ross Perot Jr to buy the team back so we can go 25-57 every year again.

[Reggie Miller]

That's true, but Nellie is suing for the full contract value, and that can only be a valid remedy if he in fact didn't breach its terms either. Put another way, Nellie is claiming (I think) that the contract was valid and continues to be valid and therefore, he deserves all the money under the contract, regardless of whether the Mavs actually "use" his services. That would be true had he not also breached the contract. Yet he is also trying to claim (probably) that the non-compete clause doesn't apply because Cuban breached the contract. However, for that to be true, the contract would have to terminate upon Cuban's original breach, meaning that he can only recover the fair market value of his services up to that point. Or at least that's my understanding of contract law, which isn't one of my strong suits.


That is my understanding. The contract was nullified by Cuban's breach (failure to pay). Normally, Nelson would be free to take another job, mitigating his damages. That is, Cuban could have claimed that Nelson was running the damages up by failure to take the GS job (failure to mitigate defense).

Equity normally allows the non-breaching party to violate a non-compete clause, but not "trade secrets" clauses. This is not my area either, but knowledge of basketball operations, set plays, etc. would not qualify as "trade secrets," in my opinion. (We're talking about things like the formula for Coke, etc.)

The problem is that we don't have access to the contract(s). For me the real question is: what, if any, changes were made contractually when Nelson went from "coach" to "consultant?" Any competent attorney should have forced the Mavericks to make major changes at that point.

[Findog]

The problem is that we don't have access to the contract(s).

Hey, that's not stopping the pundits from weighing in that Cuban has turned into Howard Hughes. If Deadspin or people on Spurstalk wanna crack jokes, whatever, that's part of what the internet is for, but this disgusts me:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/063007dnsposherrington.382ea93.html

I bet Cuban would have a hard time proving this rises to the level of actual malice, but just to prove a point I'd sue him for libel. That's irresponsible and disgusting.

[TampaDude]

Wow...as if I didn't have enough reasons already to detest Mark Cuban...may he drown in the vat of his own stinking bullshit...

[TampaDude]

I bet Cuban would have a hard time proving this rises to the level of actual malice, but just to prove a point I'd sue him for libel. That's irresponsible and disgusting.

Fuck yeah! Sue the cocksucker! :toast

[lotr1trekkie]

Cuban is actually a sore winner. That's what happens when you have a billion at age 32. He has taken on godlike qualities. He likes to judge others but can't take it. Hopefully, he will never win a title in Dallas because he would be insufferable and classless. Hires Avery to beat us --didn't work yet. Let's Finley and Nash go[Duh]. Let's Don Nelson go as coach and Nellie takes him to school in the playoffs. Obviously a shrew businessman but as an owner he need etiquette lessons.

[Findog]

Hires Avery to beat us --didn't work yet.

Really? The title part -- still a work in progress, but eliminating the Spurs in the playoffs? Hasn't happened yet?


Let's Finley and Nash go

Both the right moves. No Finley, no luxury tax hit. Went farther without Nash than we did with him. Nash is one of my alltime favorite players, love the guy, but it's hard to win a title paying him that kind of money and being so atrocious defensively at the PG position.


Let's Don Nelson go as coach

Wake me when Nellie leads a smallball team that plays no D to a title.


Nellie takes him to school in the playoffs.

X's and O's. We didn't get to pick our first-round opponent.

[saporvida]

Really? The title part -- still a work in progress, but eliminating the Spurs in the playoffs? Hasn't happened yet?

like all suns fans have been spewing here lately.... *

[CosmicCowboy]

Mark Cuban has gone nuts.

The official word Friday is that he's in the hospital for "hip replacement surgery," which is the new euphemism for "institutionalized."

And this is the DALLAS papers...:lol

[Findog]

like all suns fans have been spewing here lately.... *

Then that makes you just as big a douche as those whiners.

And what would that asterisk refer to? Timmy had an ingrown toenail and it made his fweet huwt? Manu spent too much time in the mirror trying to comb over his bald spot? Timmy and Eva were on a break at the time and TP's mind was elsewhere?

[exstatic]

X's and O's. We didn't get to pick our first-round opponent.

Who does?

[50 cent]

That Cuban is a flawed human being is probably the understatement of the decade. Cuban's much worse than that though. He's a loudmouth, pain in the rear end, sore loser and flat out cancer on the backside of the NBA. The league hates him, fans around the league certainly hate him and I'm not even sure that his own players like or respect him. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. Simply put Cuban is a disgrace to the league and is ill-suited to being an NBA owner. Used car salesman would be a more appropriate vocation for that idiot.
There is no way in hell that Avery respects him.

[Findog]

There is no way in hell that Avery respects him.

if he didn't, he could resign and 20 teams would line up to hire him. try again, please.

[exstatic]

if he didn't, he could resign and 20 teams would line up to hire him. try again, please.
That's 20 Cuban lawsuits waiting to happen.

[Findog]

That's 20 Cuban lawsuits waiting to happen.

ok, thats funny...walked right into that one