I'm shocked!

[Yonivore]

Nbadan, where are you? I'm am absolutely flummoxed as to why his tin foil hat didn't get this transmission.

Deathbed Confession Says Aliens Were at Roswell (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/01/1737226)



Posted by Zonk on Sunday July 01, @09:01PM

from the here-comes-the-super-copter-here-comes-the-noise-it-makes dept.

xnuandax writes:

"The army's explanation of weather balloons in the Roswell, New Mexico incident 60 years ago has been dealt a serious public relations blow. Late Army Lt. Walter Haut had signed a sealed affidavit prior to his death last year asserting that he had witnessed the wreckage of an egg-shaped craft and its extraterrestrial crew while working at the Roswell Army Air Field. An article at News.com.au reviews how Haut had worked as public relations officer for the Roswell base and was involved in the original weather balloon explanation of events at the time. This recent evidence would seem to confirm speculation that egg-shaped saucers are notoriously difficult to fly safely at low altitude."

[DarkReign]

We're not alone. Very ego-centric to think otherwise.

And why wouldnt the government cover up a crash site of an ET civilization that spans space and time on a level our most imaginative scientific minds cant yet fathom?

It would make the Russian threat very very small potatoes.

Do I believe a UFO crashed in Roswell? Who the fuck knows and does it even matter?

[Nbadan]

No doubt, Christianity = human egocentrism

There's no way around it. If they acknowledge there is life in other planets, then the whole façade they have of human creation falls apart.

[Yonivore]

No doubt, Christianity = human egocentrism

There's no way around it. If they acknowledge there is life in other planets, then the whole façade they have of human creation falls apart.
Actually, I think it just gets redefined. But that's just me, I can't speak for all Christians. I also think evolution and creationism complement one another and further, believe intelligent design should be given as much credence as is the existence of aliens.

so, sure, I acknowledge the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

I do think some pretty hefty physical problems have to be surmounted before things like interstellar travel are possible.

Is it possible that life forms, more advanced than those of us on earth, have overcome these difficulties?

Absolutely.

What I have a hard time with is this. An extraterrestrial being, so advanced it has achieved faster than light-speed travel and can traverse the known -- or unknown -- universe with relative ease, not understanding gravity and crashing their interstellar craft in to the planet earth.

Pretty fucking stupid aliens, if you ask me.

[Nbadan]

I do think some pretty hefty physical problems have to be surmounted before things like interstellar travel are possible.

Wormholes Yoni, nothing's impossible in physics.

[Yonivore]

Wormholes Yoni, nothing's impossible in physics.
Well, there's no wormhole keeping them from obeying the laws of physics, now is there?

You think taming gravity would have been ahead of mastering the threading of a wormhole.

I guess not.

[Nbadan]

Well, there's no wormhole keeping them from obeying the laws of physics, now is there?

You think taming gravity would have been ahead of mastering the threading of a wormhole.

I guess not.

It's suspected that Aliens have to technology to create their own wormholes. Mini-black-holes if you will. Either way, its a concept that is years ahead of anything we are capable of acheiving with our knowledge.

[Yonivore]

It's suspected that Aliens have to technology to create their own wormholes. Mini-black-holes if you will. Either way, its a concept that is years ahead of anything we are capable of acheiving with our knowledge.
I'd love to see your white paper on this theory.

Nah, on second thought, I'll check it out over at www.aliensaresmarterthanhumans.com

[DarkReign]

so, sure, I acknowledge the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

I do think some pretty hefty physical problems have to be surmounted before things like interstellar travel are possible.

Is it possible that life forms, more advanced than those of us on earth, have overcome these difficulties?

Absolutely.

What I have a hard time with is this. An extraterrestrial being, so advanced it has achieved faster than light-speed travel and can traverse the known -- or unknown -- universe with relative ease, not understanding gravity and crashing their interstellar craft in to the planet earth.

Pretty fucking stupid aliens, if you ask me.

Well, fair enough. But as I am sure you know, Einstein says nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Now obviously, like you said, the ETs found a loophole in General Relativity. More likely, or should I say more believeably to our current understanding of space and time, they use our theoretical wormholes to travel.

But, as for the possible crashing of alien vessels here on Earth and abroad, why not? Flight for a species without wings is always a risk.

That holds true for us and every other possible species across the cosmos. One malfunction and poof, we're going down.


Actually, I think it just gets redefined. But that's just me, I can't speak for all Christians. I also think evolution and creationism complement one another and further, believe intelligent design should be given as much credence as is the existence of aliens.

On the topic of religion and the possible implications that alien visitation would have upon it are more likely to evaporate what little belief is left.

The "God" you know and love didnt create the world in 6 days, he didnt send his Son to to be crucified, his Son did not ressurect. Which basically covers all of Christianity as a fraud.

Same could be said for any and all religion.

The more likely scenario sees humanity as a whole embracing their visitors as something just short of Gods. With that in mind, is it any wonder why "they" havent made their presence known in no uncertain terms to the world?

As for ID and all that noise, it has nothing at all to do with God.

Finding life beyond earth whether its a bacteria on Saturn or a crash landing of a sentient species on Earth proves only one thing, that there isnt a 'design' to life at all.

No ryhme or reason or predictable pattern. It proves that life is, in fact, a miracle. An anomoly. In the most perfect conditions that we know of (Earth-like planets, to our limited knowledge), the only thing that could be said is that life "COULD" happen, not that it will.

Is that not miracle enough? Isnt that enough to make you believe that "God" is as removed and aloof as we all pretend He is? Think of God as a forest starter, not a harvester, and I think you'll find His motives a little less centric and little more broad.

Maybe, just maybe, Life is God. No creator, no man in the sky, just Life. The ties that bind us to one another and to all things. Maybe that idea is "God".

[Yonivore]

Well, fair enough. But as I am sure you know, Einstein says nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Now obviously, like you said, the ETs found a loophole in General Relativity. More likely, or should I say more believeably to our current understanding of space and time, they use our theoretical wormholes to travel.

But, as for the possible crashing of alien vessels here on Earth and abroad, why not? Flight for a species without wings is always a risk.

That holds true for us and every other possible species across the cosmos. One malfunction and poof, we're going down.

On the topic of religion and the possible implications that alien visitation would have upon it are more likely to evaporate what little belief is left.

The "God" you know and love didnt create the world in 6 days, he didnt send his Son to to be crucified, his Son did not ressurect. Which basically covers all of Christianity as a fraud.

Same could be said for any and all religion.

The more likely scenario sees humanity as a whole embracing their visitors as something just short of Gods. With that in mind, is it any wonder why "they" havent made their presence known in no uncertain terms to the world?

As for ID and all that noise, it has nothing at all to do with God.

Finding life beyond earth whether its a bacteria on Saturn or a crash landing of a sentient species on Earth proves only one thing, that there isnt a 'design' to life at all.

No ryhme or reason or predictable pattern. It proves that life is, in fact, a miracle. An anomoly. In the most perfect conditions that we know of (Earth-like planets, to our limited knowledge), the only thing that could be said is that life "COULD" happen, not that it will.

Is that not miracle enough? Isnt that enough to make you believe that "God" is as removed and aloof as we all pretend He is? Think of God as a forest starter, not a harvester, and I think you'll find His motives a little less centric and little more broad.

Maybe, just maybe, Life is God. No creator, no man in the sky, just Life. The ties that bind us to one another and to all things. Maybe that idea is "God".
And there you have it.

[Wild Cobra]

No doubt, Christianity = human egocentrism

There's no way around it. If they acknowledge there is life in other planets, then the whole façade they have of human creation falls apart.
How would that disagree with the Bible? Not from my understanding of it.

Like any religion, different 'churches' read it differently. No matter how you read it, nothing in it to my knowledge contends there is no life elsewhere.



The "God" you know and love didnt create the world in 6 days, he didnt send his Son to to be crucified, his Son did not ressurect. Which basically covers all of Christianity as a fraud.

Same could be said for any and all religion.

First of all, like anything, our understanding evolves. We no longer think the world is flat, and we now understand the Chaldean words in the Torah better. The world was molded (terraformed?) in six stages.

Are you one who believes that Jesus had a twin brother? The history is written in several cultures and languages. The event happened, maybe with some trickery, but it did happen!


The more likely scenario sees humanity as a whole embracing their visitors as something just short of Gods. With that in mind, is it any wonder why "they" havent made their presence known in no uncertain terms to the world?

This could be the case. Could you see a modern today’s politician with the need to control others, if they had space travel, tell the inhabitants of a world he was their God?

I can imagine that!


As for ID and all that noise, it has nothing at all to do with God.

Think what you want of religious writings, but ancient Sumerian text can clearly be interpreted that we were visited, used as slave labor for resources, and re-engineered to be better workers. Aliens proclaiming to be God’s? Maybe. That does not mean they were not God’s either, and depends on how you interpret the word God!


Finding life beyond earth whether its a bacteria on Saturn or a crash landing of a sentient species on Earth proves only one thing, that there isnt a 'design' to life at all.

I would not conclude such a thing. What if there were remarkable DNA similarities with all life found anywhere in the future?

Don’t rule it out.


Maybe, just maybe, Life is God. No creator, no man in the sky, just Life. The ties that bind us to one another and to all things. Maybe that idea is "God".

I tend to believe that may be the case when you combine the spiritual forces of life, but that ID is still real also.

[Nbadan]

How would that disagree with the Bible? Not from my understanding of it.

Like any religion, different 'churches' read it differently. No matter how you read it, nothing in it to my knowledge contends there is no life elsewhere.

I think the biggest challenge for the Bible would be the idea of a single creator, be you Christian, Muslim or Jewish...all of a sudden, if there are Aliens, then you have to question whether your God created them too....or whether they created your God.

[Nbadan]

The history is written in several cultures and languages. The event happened, maybe with some trickery, but it did happen!

I think there is enough evidence to prove that Jesus did was real, but his whole life was surrounded by strange celestial occurrences....take his birth for instance...

[E20]

Traveling through wormholes is all speculation and hypothetical. People who accept it as a solid fact are put on the same level as people who are religous.

[E20]

Let me clarfiy my last post. Traveling through wormholes to get to another point in space time is all specualtion and hypothetical because it has never been applied or proven as a solid means of travel through space.

[Nbadan]

Well, I don't know how religious Einstein was...


Lorentzian wormholes known as Schwarzschild wormholes or Einstein-Rosen bridges are bridges between areas of space that can be modeled as vacuum solutions to the Einstein field equations by sticking a model of a black hole and a model of a white hole together. This solution was discovered by Albert Einstein and his colleague Nathan Rosen, who first published the result in 1935. However, in 1962 John A. Wheeler and Robert W. Fuller published a paper showing that this type of wormhole is unstable, and that it will pinch off instantly as soon as it forms, preventing even light from making it through.

Before the stability problems of Schwarzschild wormholes were apparent, it was proposed that quasars were white holes forming the ends of wormholes of this type.

While Schwarzschild wormholes are not traversable, their existence inspired Kip Thorne to imagine traversable wormholes created by holding the 'throat' of a Schwarzschild wormhole open with exotic matter (material that has negative mass/energy)

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole)

[E20]

Einstein was religous, but he was unorthodox and viewed religon in his own point of view.

[Wild Cobra]

I think the biggest challenge for the Bible would be the idea of a single creator, be you Christian, Muslim or Jewish...all of a sudden, if there are Aliens, then you have to question whether your God created them too....or whether they created your God.
Not for me. I haven't seen any religion that expresses only one God as an absolute. Is there?

One of the ten commandments state something to the effect:

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me"

What does this mean? I don't see it as saying there are no other Gods, just that Jahovah expects his people to acknowledge him first.


I think there is enough evidence to prove that Jesus did was real, but his whole life was surrounded by strange celestial occurrences....take his birth for instance...

Very true. To the people of the past, the celestial events were symbols and signs. For all we know, God uses a vehicle to get around in.

Let's face it. There's a whole lot we just don't know.

[Nbadan]

Not for me. I haven't seen any religion that expresses only one God as an absolute. Is there?

One of the ten commandments state something to the effect:

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me"

What does this mean? I don't see it as saying there are no other Gods, just that Jahovah expects his people to acknowledge him first.

So your saying idol worship, very popular then, was OK with God as long as you put him first? I don't think so...why did Moses destroy the Golden Calf again?

[DarkReign]

Let's face it. There's a whole lot we just don't know.

Absolutely agree.

[DarkReign]

Traveling through wormholes is all speculation and hypothetical. People who accept it as a solid fact are put on the same level as people who are religous.

Traveling through wormholes isnt anything like believing in a religion. Not even in the same galaxy.

Do I believe "they" travel through wormholes? I have no idea. But it is, according to our VERY limited understanding of the universe the only theoretical way an advanced civilization can travel the stars.

Einstein says NOTHING can travel faster than the speed of light. So, the civilization has either a) found a loophole in that law or b) found a way around it completely.

If they can travel faster than light, then it just goes to show how primitive we as a people really are.

But as it stands, under current understanding as we know it, the only POSSIBLE explanation we as humans could use for their interstellar travel are our theories.

And the prevailing theory is wormholes. Doesnt make it true, doesnt make it right, it just makes it the most PLAUSIBLE under our current physics law and theory.

Where in this post can you equate the explanation with religion?

[Yonivore]

Where in this post can you equate the explanation with religion?
By pretty much applying the same reasoning to God.

[Wild Cobra]

So your saying idol worship, very popular then, was OK with God as long as you put him first? I don't think so...why did Moses destroy the Golden Calf again?
Of course not. My statement first of all was to show that Johovah acknowledged the existence of other Gods to his worshippers. Do you recall that God also punished Moses?

Now on the possibility I'm not right on this, what I recall is that "no graven images" shall be made either. Now I believe this was for other reasons, and the words in any English version of the Bible are often wrong when it comes to God. In the old testament, the word God most often correctly translates to "deities." Note the plural for. It isn't so often that the word God is a singular form, and most often in the form "Lord God" in the Bible when it is singular.

[DarkReign]

By pretty much applying the same reasoning to God.

Now you lost me.

I never even mentioned God in that particular post.

[DarkReign]

Just came in to inflate your post count, Pimp?

Thanks for the contribution.

[Oh, Gee!!]

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