Grizzles offers 46 millons for 5 years to Noce

[xamila rey]

sorry if already posted. Grizzles offers 46 millons for 5 years.

http://www.ole.com.ar/notas/2007/07/05/01451057.html

NBA: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES OFRECE 46 MILLONES EN CINCO AÑOS POR NOCIONI

Chapulín verde

El general manager de los Grizzlies vino al país y se lo dijo a Chapu. Los Bulls ofertaron 40 y se cree que no podrán igualarla. ¿Se muda?

"Espejito, espejito, ¿es verdad la oferta?", consulta. Está bien en Chicago pero iría a Memphis.

Apenas habían pasado 14 días desde su asunción como nuevo general manager de los Grizzlies cuando Chris Wallace se jugó su primera gran carta. El domingo se tomó un avión para la Argentina para hablar personalmente con Andrés Nocioni y preguntarle si le gustaría jugar en Memphis en los próximos años. El directivo estuvo sólo un día en el país y se fue conforme. Le expuso a Chapu que la idea de los Grizzlies es no desprenderse de Pau Gasol, su estrella, a quien convencieron de quedarse diciéndole que irían por el santafesino y luego también por su amigo Juan Carlos Navarro (se desvinculó de Barcelona) y el base griego Theodoros Papaloukas. ¿Pasarán a llamarse los EuroGrizzlies?

Chapu, que viajó especialmente desde General Pico, se reunió con Wallace en el restaurante Piegari durante el mediodía del lunes y le respondió que en Chicago está muy cómodo en todo sentido pero que no se cierra a nada pero que le gusta la idea de Memphis. Noce no cerró ninguna puerta porque notó que Wallace llegó con mucha decisión y le aseguró que el plan de la franquicia es ofrecer 46 millones por cinco temporadas, cifras que pasarían a ser el mejor salario anual para un argentino (ver Más que...).

Nocioni es agente libre con restricciones. Eso quiere decir que si bien está libre y puede recibir ofertas de cualquier equipo, los Bulls tiene el derecho de igualar ofertas (tienen 15 días para hacerlo) y así quedarse con el jugador. Chicago ya hizo su movida: ofreció cerca de 40 millones por cinco años. Pero se le complicará mucho si los Grizzlies oficializan la oferta de 46 que hicieron verbalmente. John Paxson, general manager de los Bulls, repitió que valora mucho a Chapu y que igualará propuestas ("No perdemos así nomás a un jugador así", opinó), pero es muy difícil que puedan estirarse hasta los 46. Ocurre que Ben Gordon y Luol Deng, figuras que están por sobre Nocioni en la consideración de los Bulls por su talento y edad, tienen que renovar durante esta temporada y no serán nada baratos... Y a los Bulls no les queda tanto dinero en el tope salarial luego de la apuesta que hicieron por Ben Wallace.

Los Grizz, que casi mandan a Gasol a los Bulls, hicieron una gran avanzada. ¿Chicago dará pelea o Chapu se mudará a Memphis?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

no Noc for SA: CONFIRMED

[Ken Loomis]

:lmao :lmao :lmao Great job Memphis! :elephant :elephant

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get better

[L.I.T]

The Grizz are offering him 9 mil per year? Holy damn. Take the money and run.

[mardigan]

Glad hes not coming here

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Glad hes not coming here



why not? he would have been perfect


but the Grizz are carzy to give that money

[texasqb2]

How does this mean he is not coming to SA? Who said he would sign a contract to go play for Memphis no matter the money. I don't expect us to offer a contract to Nocioni b/c we either want Chicago to do a sign and trade with us or have Chicago match any other team's offer and they can still deal him to us. Nocioni could easily sign a contract for 2 million less a year and be dealt to us.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get better

Don't forget those Grizzlies!!! We're screwed!!! With management like ours the Spurs will never win a title!

[bdictjames]

What? They are this desperate to get basically a spot-up shooter and a tough defender in Nocioni?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

We're screwed!!! With management like ours the Spurs will never REPEAT!





FIXED

[mardigan]

why not? he would have been perfect


but the Grizz are carzy to give that money
Dont like his game, think he is very over-rated and now will be over-payed for it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get betterSpurstalk-last-year-this-time forum. :sleep

[VaSpursFan]

are.you.kidding.me??? that's crazy talk. wow memphis.

[Ken Loomis]

Dont like his game, think he is very over-rated and now will be over-payed for it.


Yet he could of helped the spurs with their Dirk issues but thats not gonna happen now.

[Ken Loomis]

Spurstalk-last-year-this-time forum. :sleep

That forum doesnt exist. Thanks.

[BacktoBasics]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get betterI don't see how either team got better. I guess Hill is a good addition to the Suns but how is he going to make it out of the first quarter with those knees. 10 Sun games equals 82 Orlando games.

[SlovenianGuy]

Suddenly, Kapono's deal doesn't seem as bad as it did.

[nfg3]

Unreal that the Grizzlies offered that much money for Noc. I mean he is a good player but 9 mil a year? WOW! But those guys are desperate I guess. Tehy need to get Gasol help . We'll see what pans out on the 11th. Being a RFA Chicago can SNT him or simply match. I don't think they would just let him walk.

[ArgSpursFan]

What? They are this desperate to get basically a spot-up shooter and a tough defender in Nocioni?

Think about this for a sec.The spurs wanted to draft Noc.
somebody scrwed up and got fired.....
Not many people get fired for not signing or drafting a non impacting player.

[Tippecanoe]

holy smokes. hes making as much as manu while performing at half the level.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

holy smokes. hes making as much as manu while performing at half the level.



pretty much, maybe even at a 1/3 of the level

[Borosai]

Too much.

[Mr. Body]

Always some dipshit team that comes in and overbids for a player.

[ArgSpursFan]

Unreal that the Grizzlies offered that much money for Noc. I mean he is a good player but 9 mil a year? WOW! But those guys are desperate I guess. Tehy need to get Gasol help . We'll see what pans out on the 11th. Being a RFA Chicago can SNT him or simply match. I don't think they would just let him walk.

[GhostofAlfrederickHughes]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get betterAh yes, the Suns signed a veteran swingman who spends as much time in street clothes as he does in uniform. And the Rockets did what exactly?

Get a grip!

[tmtcsc]

Spurs can't just have an off season of resigning everyone while teams like the suns and Rockets get better

When did the Rockets and Suns get better ? Please don't say Grant Hill.

[Kori Ellis]

That contract would start around $8M with 8% raises to equal $46M over five years.

I was guessing he'd get $7-8M to start, so it's not astronomical.

[Marcus Bryant]

That contract would start around $8M with 8% raises to equal $46M over five years.

I was guessing he'd get $7-8M to start, so it's not astronomical.

$7.5 mil with 10% annual raise off 1st year salary.

Good to see Spurs fans dogging a player they wanted when it appears the team won't land him (though I'm not so sure why so many believe the Spurs are out of the running).

[pad300]

$7.5 mil with 10% annual raise off 1st year salary.

Good to see Spurs fans dogging a player they wanted when it appears the team won't land him (though I'm not so sure why so many believe the Spurs are out of the running).

Unless I don't understand the CBA, if he has signed the offer sheet, the matter is now between him, the Bulls, and the Grizzlies. He would be pretty crazy not to sign that offer sheet.

[Budkin]

How come this isn't on any of the US sites? Even crappy hoopshype and hoopsworld aren't showing this? Legit?

[Marcus Bryant]

All I see is an offer made, not an offer sheet signed. In any event, I'm not sure why Spurs fans need to run this player down if the team has in fact lost out on him.

[Marcus Bryant]

I guess every player in the NBA should receive a 3 year, $10 mil contract.

[L.I.T]

I guess every player in the NBA should receive a 3 year, $10 mil contract.

Only if they want to play with the Spurs.

[lotr1trekkie]

If Nocioni wants a ring he wont sign with Memphis. He'll take less and come here as Bowen's eventual replacement. Claxton went with the money and hasn't even made the playoffs since. Ditto Andres in Memphis.

[mardigan]

If the Griz do bring him in, they will have the begining of a nice little team, with Gasol coming back for a full year and the Conley pick up. They could be a low seeded playoff contender

[Marcus Bryant]

Nocioni is the 3/4 the Spurs need to address their weakness against perimeter oriented bigs. If he's available to the Spurs in this price range they should pony it up.

[Marcus Bryant]

If Nocioni wants a ring he wont sign with Memphis. He'll take less and come here as Bowen's eventual replacement. Claxton went with the money and hasn't even made the playoffs since. Ditto Andres in Memphis.


Well, he isn't going to come for 3 years, $10 mil.

[dbestpro]

Udrih could go to Cleveland for 1.8 mil trade exception. Barry 5.5 mil, the trade exception 1.8, mil and the rights to Scola could get Nocioni at 7.5 mil first year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Udrih could go to Cleveland for 1.8 mil trade exception. Barry 5.5 mil, the trade exception 1.8, mil and the rights to Scola could get Nocioni at 7.5 mil first year.

Yeah, some permutation of that could make it happen. Chicago isn't going to land Gasol and at least in a S&T with the Spurs the Bulls will get some value back. Spurs need to bring the offer now.

[Ariel]

How come this isn't on any of the US sites? Even crappy hoopshype and hoopsworld aren't showing this? Legit?
The sites you mention aren't actual sources of news, they simply provide links. Alright, Hoopsworld does generate news on their own, albeit bogus ones. In this case, you'd think an Argentine newspaper with actual access to the player and his agent would have the inside track on the matter. This is legit.

If Nocioni wants a ring he wont sign with Memphis. He'll take less and come here as Bowen's eventual replacement. Claxton went with the money and hasn't even made the playoffs since. Ditto Andres in Memphis.
Nocioni isn't some scrub who'll go anywhere for crumbs to be anyone's replacement in a few years. He surely will take more than just the money into consideration, but he's a professional player and as such he's not going to leave tens of millions of dollars just for the heck of it. So you can expect him to be pretty costly, even if at a reduced price.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Unless I don't understand the CBA, if he has signed the offer sheet, the matter is now between him, the Bulls, and the Grizzlies. He would be pretty crazy not to sign that offer sheet.

It doesn't say anything about him signing an offer sheet.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All I see is an offer made, not an offer sheet signed. In any event, I'm not sure why Spurs fans need to run this player down if the team has in fact lost out on him.

All players the Spurs want should come to SA for the minimum and be happy[/general Spurs fans]

[Kori Ellis]

$7.5 mil with 10% annual raise off 1st year salary.

Good to see Spurs fans dogging a player they wanted when it appears the team won't land him (though I'm not so sure why so many believe the Spurs are out of the running).

He can't get 10% raises from the Grizzlies. It's 8% max, right?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Udrih could go to Cleveland for 1.8 mil trade exception. Barry 5.5 mil, the trade exception 1.8, mil and the rights to Scola could get Nocioni at 7.5 mil first year.
Make it happen! :santahat

[2centsworth]

Barry & Beno get you close. Barry, Beno + Scola's rights sounds doable. Plus, the spurs should get a 10-15% discount because of no State Income Tax and lower cost of living.

[timvp]

I don't see that as an outrageous offer. If a one-dimensional spot up shooter is worth $24M in Kapono, then Nocioni is easily worth $46M. Probably more if you base it on Kapono logic.

[AFBlue]

He hasn't signed anything or agreed to accept the offer sheet that I'm aware of...so this isn't really news.

If he DOES sign an offer sheet for that reported amount, I think the Bulls would attempt to gauge his value (at that amount) on the open market in regards to trade.

And it's not uncommon to see the Grizz go above and beyond with this contract. He's a restricted FA and they have to discourage the Bulls from matching....so naturally they overpay.

[yavozerb]

I agree Phat!! We may be thanking memphis in the future if the Bulls try to trade Noci because they know they cannot match the Grizzlies offer..If there is one team in the NBA who can get a player for a cheaper contract than what is being offered it is def. the Spurs.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If Nocioni wants a ring he wont sign with Memphis. He'll take less and come here as Bowen's eventual replacement. Claxton went with the money and hasn't even made the playoffs since. Ditto Andres in Memphis.:lmao yeah, I'd like to see you turn down 30 some odd millions. Some people are so fucking hypocritical. First he's everything we need, to address our weaknesses, now all of a sudden he's overrated?

I say good for him. Hopefully we can still offer a desirable package to the Bulls so they'll contemplate matching that offer and S&T him to the Spurs. I don't know how plausible that scenario might still be though. Either way, I'm happy for him

[Marcus Bryant]

He can't get 10% raises from the Grizzlies. It's 8% max, right?


True. I ran it with 10% as in that would be what the Spurs would have to come up with in a S&T.

[SequSpur]

Just think.. the spurs have 9 million dollars wrapped up in their 10-15 spots.

That's fucking great huh? Pay guys big dollars to watch from the fucking bench.

What a fuck up.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't see that as an outrageous offer. If a one-dimensional spot up shooter is worth $24M in Kapono, then Nocioni is easily worth $46M. Probably more if you base it on Kapono logic.


Exactly. The agreements so far this summer seem to imply a league-wide assumption that league revenues will be seeing a healthy spike in the short term. Also, a $7.5 mil starting salary will likely be less than $2 mil over the MLE. I think Nocioni is roughly that much better than the average player (if you assume the average salary is an accurate reflection of the worth of the average player).

[SequSpur]

The Spurs must have Nocioni. Period. This crap they've been signing or resigning is pure dog shit in terms of the scoreboard. And actually that's all that matters... Bonner didn't have any scoreboard in the playoffs and he's to slow and stupid to be a Robert Horry, he couldn't block dick. Also, he plays like a chicken dick.

[LavaLamp]

holy smokes. hes making as much as manu while performing at half the level.


Price and value are subjective to the purchaser. The Griz are showing how much they need someone like Nocioni. Since Manu is not available to them, they have to take their best alternative.

[exstatic]

$7.5 mil with 10% annual raise off 1st year salary.

Good to see Spurs fans dogging a player they wanted when it appears the team won't land him (though I'm not so sure why so many believe the Spurs are out of the running).
I thnk Kori's correct on the raise percentage for signing with another team. The last CBA trimmed both raises and years. I believe it's 6yrs/10% with your team or 5 years/8% with someone else.

[tmtcsc]

no way, no how. He's a GOOD player, let's not go crazy....which is what Memphis did. How desperate and irresponsible is that ? Pau and Noc are supposed to deliver a title ? Not gonna happen.

[Marcus Bryant]

I thnk Kori's correct on the raise percentage for signing with another team. The last CBA trimmed both raises and years. I believe it's 6yrs/10% with your team or 5 years/8% with someone else.

How about sign and trades?

[saschi]

I believe its 8% vs. 10.5% raises.

Plus I still can't figure out why the Bulls would do this?

They would have to eat $6-$7 mill in scrubs to earn the right to spend 2/3's of the MLE to bring Scola over? So basically Scola would cost them approx $10.5 to probably put up worse numbers than Nocioni probably would in their system? Guys like Barry, Butler, Udrih would NEVER play for the Bulls. From what I've read they think Sefolosha is going to play 25+mpg next year. And they already have 3 starters at PG/SG/SF that will all play 35-39 mpg. They are trying to dump their scrubs not add more.

Plus I doubt the Spurs are going to add him at $40+ million anyway.

So unless it's some kind of 3-way trade where the scrubs go to a third team a talented but long term salaried player (salary dump basically) + scola's rights go the bulls and Nocioni goes the Spurs I don't see how this works.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah so they pay Brent Barry $5 mil for one season and have Scola for 3 years at $10 mil. Not bad.

[saschi]

For the same money they could just keep Nocioni and probably have Joe Smith to replace PJ Brown. Assuming Noc is healthy next year they are already much better than last years team. There is no risk as opposed to having Barry die on IR and hoping Scola can play at least as well as Nocioni (doubtful). If the Spurs really thought he could play he would've been here a long time ago. The point being the Bulls arre just as risk averse as the Spurs are.

[Marcus Bryant]

For the same money they could just keep Nocioni and probably have Joe Smith to replace PJ Brown. Assuming Noc is healthy next year they are already much better than last years team. There is no risk as opposed to having Barry die on IR and hoping Scola can play at least as well as Nocioni (doubtful). If the Spurs really thought he could play he would've been here a long time ago. The point being the Bulls arre just as risk averse as the Spurs are.

$55 mil > $15 mil.

[saschi]

they are like $8 mill under the cap. I don't think they care. They said they wanted to resign him all along. So the expect to pay around $40 mill. They could resign Nocioni, Deng and Gordon (I'm not sure they want to since it seems like he's been on the trade block forever) and still be below the lux tax in 09. Remember the Spurs can't sign him to an offer sheet there is no hammer to hold over their heads like Memphis has. The Spurs would have to blow them away. There would have to be a reason to trade him away like the contract is to expensive etc.

The point being next season they could have Nocioni and a guy like Smith to play a combined 45 mpg or risk one of their more productive players (lead them in ppg in the playoffs against the heat in 06 - like 22ppg) on a maybe guy in Scola who maybe plays 25mpg if everything works out.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, who cares about a $40 mil differential?

[saschi]

Teams pay for talent. It's quite common.

[Switchman]

NOOOOOOOOOO

Fuck!

Nooooooooo...... :bang :bang :bang :bang :depressed :depressed :depressed

[Cherry]

have the Spurs 46 millons?..................anyone?.......no?....... ok. :depressed

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Spurstalk-last-year-this-time forum. :sleep

Absolutely. When we signed Frankie and Jackie and that was it, people all over the place were slitting their wrists...

Change is not always for the better. We have the best TEAM in the NBA from 1-10, our guys work beautifully together without ego, and as long as the big 4 remain healthy we can go all the way again.

Pity we missed out on Nocioni, but it's not the end of the world.

[bdictjames]

Always some dipshit team that comes in and overbids for a player.
Orlando Magic anyone? :dizzy

[sprrs]

For the same money they could just keep Nocioni and probably have Joe Smith to replace PJ Brown. Assuming Noc is healthy next year they are already much better than last years team. There is no risk as opposed to having Barry die on IR and hoping Scola can play at least as well as Nocioni (doubtful). If the Spurs really thought he could play he would've been here a long time ago. The point being the Bulls arre just as risk averse as the Spurs are.

Different positions. Bulls are stacked at Nocioni's position so paying him 46 million to play limited minutes is ridiculous. Scola's style of play is desperately needed and would therefore be more important to them.

[Borosai]

Still too much.

[Typhoon]

Paul Gasol, Nocioni and Mike Conley Jr.

Nice =) but a lot depends if Gasol can stay healthy, if so, they will be a tough team.

[BradLohaus]

Don't know if this is already somewhere...

The longer the Grizzlies wait, however, the more attractive a Bulls offer that already is on the table could become. A source said the Bulls' five-year offer starts near $6.3 million to $6.4 million for the first season.

Factoring in a 10.5 percent increase of the first season's salary annually, the total package sits at approximately $38.1 million to $38.7 million. The Bulls could increase that offer and also would have seven days to match any offer sheet Nocioni signed with Memphis...

General manager John Paxson has vowed to match any offers for his hyperactive forward. Per the collective bargaining agreement, the Bulls are allowed to offer Nocioni a six-year contract...

And Paxson has vowed not to lose Nocioni for nothing. There are no indications the Grizzlies will make Gasol available.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-subbulls05jul05,1,1906297.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

[remingtonbo2001]

Why not EARL BOYKINS....I believe he's a free agent this year. We could do w/o Nocioni if we were able to pick up Boykins and drop Beano.

[Big P]

Boykins replace Noc?? lol

[zepn]

"Even if the Grizzlies reached a $46 million offer that was reported erroneously in the Argentine media, the Bulls would have seven days to match because they still own his rights."

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-070705bulls,1,2443522.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

[Ariel]

http://www.ole.com.ar/notas/2007/07/06/01451733.html

Olé insists with the $46 million figure. It says it'd be a contract starting at $8 million. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[milkyway21]

where's that google translation that makes us crazy? I don't undertand half of the article:D

what about Gasol? will he be staying in Memphis too?