Official America Cup Thread

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I put this thread up so that we can discuss the Cup in general and not have to go to one of the game threads

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Anyway, looks like the US is done. Doesn't surprise me though, the US came in with a team that didn't promise anything, and it goes out not having accomplished anything, simple math.

As far as the rest are concerned, Brasil, Mexico, Argentina, Paraguay, Venezuela and Peru are all qualified already.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What the fuck is Lucho Gonzalez doing in there?? Get him the fuck out! He's useless!

[Typhoon]

He did play horrible...anyways good job Argentina, now you don't have to play Mexico, who wants to beat you with a passion and always will bring it against you...don't have to change locations and play an easier team Peru.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

thats debatable. Peru is playing very well. Of course so is Mexico. Either way, we're going to have to beat everyone in order to win this thing, and if Mexico is as good as advertised we'll meet somewhere along the line.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Bye bye Venezuela...

[SAtown]

Bye bye Venezuela...

Bye bye Chile... Brazil 3 - 0 Chile at half

[MaNuMaNiAc]

4 - 0 now... this could end up being like 7 or 8 to 0 by the way Chile is playing. They deserve to be eliminated for playing this way

[theroc5]

any one know of some good soccer forums?

[Sense]

6-0 mexico against paraguay..

gg paraguay

[~Sweetmelody~]

Yay! Go Mexico! :elephant

[Sense]

Mexico is playing extremely well and having fun while doing so...

Hopefully they dont get too confident...

Castillo is showing how much of a star he is in this cup.....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Couldn't catch the Mexico game, was it good? or did Paraguay just lay down and died? Looks like Mexico decimated them. Well done

[Typhoon]

Paraguay was doomed from the start, 2 minutes and they get a penalty, red card to the keeper, which it wasn't in my opinion...so yeah losing a good keeper and -1 guy was tough for Paraguay and it showed...but props to Mexico for taking opportunity of the hurted Paraguay..

Now Argentina vs Mexico, good match but I think Mexico will lose, but who knows, anything can happen in football!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Mexico vs Argentina semifinals. Both teams are playing good football, should be interesting

[Spurologist]

Mexico vs Argentina semifinals. Both teams are playing good football, should be interesting

Argentina 3 (Messi x2, Tevez)
Mexico 2 (Marquez, Castillo)

[Spurologist]

any one know of some good soccer forums?

I hear www.bigsoccer.com is good

[SAtown]

which it wasn't in my opinion...

So if a goalie sweep-kicks the forward that is dribbling the ball one-on-one with him isn't a penalty? Did you see the goalie's leg kick upward during the foul?

[Sense]

Argentina 3 (Messi x2, Tevez)
Mexico 2 (Marquez, Castillo)

Marquez? ehhh..... no....

heh

I think it's going to be 2-1 Mexico...

It's really a toss up really, but I can't go against my team...

I say

Nery Castillo and Omar Bravo score for Mexico
Messi for Argentina

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I say Argentina 3 - 0 Mexico. I disagree its a toss up, I think Argentina is just now starting to play its best football. I think Mexico is good, but it won't be good enough. Good luck though

[Sense]

I say Argentina 3 - 0 Mexico. I disagree its a toss up, I think Argentina is just now starting to play its best football. I think Mexico is good, but it won't be good enough. Good luck though


Yeah I mean you'd know since you watch so many Mexico games. :P

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I don't watch that many Mexico games, that is true, but I've watched every Mexico game in this America Cup except for yesterdays 'cause I had to study. Anyway, I guess we'll see. I'm pretty confident though, I keep my 3 - 0 prediction

[Sense]

I don't watch that many Mexico games, that is true, but I've watched every Mexico game in this America Cup except for yesterdays 'cause I had to study. Anyway, I guess we'll see. I'm pretty confident though, I keep my 3 - 0 prediction


True....

But they seemed invinsible yesterday... idk, maybe it's just me...

The way the chemistry's going right now with Nery and the other players, it's going to be really hard to keep em off the offensive...

we've also been the best defensive team in the cup... allowin just one goal in the 4 games...

Don't underestimate Mexico... you guys kinda did that in the World Cup and you almost left too early... took Argentina an amazing goal to get em to the next round... argueable the best goal of the cup...

but yeah I guess we'll see...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

True....

But they seemed invinsible yesterday... idk, maybe it's just me...

The way the chemistry's going right now with Nery and the other players, it's going to be really hard to keep em off the offensive...

we've also been the best defensive team in the cup... allowin just one goal in the 4 games...

Don't underestimate Mexico... you guys kinda did that in the World Cup and you almost left too early... took Argentina an amazing goal to get em to the next round... argueable the best goal of the cup...

but yeah I guess we'll see...
no offense bro, but this isn't the Mexico from 2006 World Cup... still its true, you're right, on any given day anything can happen

[Sense]

no offense bro, but this isn't the Mexico from 2006 World Cup... still its true, you're right, on any given day anything can happen


Actually if anything it's getting better...

They're getting younger..... and more athletic, and that's not saying much..

Borgetti is no longer starting and Omar is coming off the bench...
Hugo Sanchez assembled the team beautifully in my opinion... because he's benching old players that don't want to play... and putting in players that are giving it all on the field just for the flag..

and it's worked nicely... especially with Nery.... Omar Bravo, C. Blanco, and Borgetti have really not done much but gotten leftovers in this cup.... except Borgetti.. he hasn't really seen much playing time since he got injured.

[Spurologist]

Marquez? ehhh..... no....

heh

I think it's going to be 2-1 Mexico...

It's really a toss up really, but I can't go against my team...

I say

Nery Castillo and Omar Bravo score for Mexico
Messi for Argentina

Marquez scores every now and then. I think he puts one in off a set piece.

Argentina has clearly been the better team. There's no way Mexico is going to be able to contain Messi/Tevez in attack. They will get the better of the possession with their great one touch passing. The only reason I think the game will be close is because of Nery Castillo

[Sense]

Marquez scores every now and then. I think he puts one in off a set piece.

Argentina has clearly been the better team. There's no way Mexico is going to be able to contain Messi/Tevez in attack. They will get the better of the possession with their great one touch passing. The only reason I think the game will be close is because of Nery Castillo


Mexico has been the best defensive team in the cup... I'm sure they can try to contain em, or atleast they'll do better than other teams have...

Marquez has never really been a scorer, and he's stayed mostly on the defense for this cup, so I don't see it at all.... but he's played good against argentina.. so maybe...

and ugh... we just got bad news..

apparently Nery Castillo is doubtful for because of a swollen knee.. I really hope he gets better quick, cuz if we lose Nery our chances drop....

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=444643&cc=5739

[MaNuMaNiAc]

fucking Garcia!! HE HAAAAD TO MISS! HAD TO!!

[SAtown]

Haha, if Doni had known of Loco Abreu's antics when he was with Rayados de Monterrey, he would have easily stopped that penalty "bombeadito." Still though, it sucks Brazil won

[ALVAREZ6]

Tonight's Argentina vs Mexico is finally televised here on one of the spanish channels.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

game about to start, good luck

[SAtown]

Revenge

[SAtown]

Good luck Argentina

[Typhoon]

This game is going to be fucking awesome... wished it was the final, but whatever... good luck, and may the best one wins.

[Sense]

Hope Nery is 100%...

[Sense]

Mexico is getting outplayed... they seem shaken... nervous....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

well I guess if you can't stop Messi, might as well grab the shit out of him

[MaNuMaNiAc]

man that Castillo is something else! fast as fucking rocket

[Sense]

Heh... you're not really whining about that one... he wasn't gonna get it either way.. too many defenders.... and you're doin the same to nery.

[Sense]

man that Castillo is something else! fast as fucking rocket

People can't catch up to him when he has the ball... haven't really seen anyone that can defend him

[Sense]

Heh ok maybe 2 or 3 defenders can

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Suddenly I feel very aware of how awful our D is...

[Sense]

Mexico's D is looking worse..

[Sense]

I have a feeling Argentina's going to strike first.... Mexico's making too many mistakes on the defensive end.... that are ending up with Tevez close to scoring

[MaNuMaNiAc]

man Veron is a fucking jackass, get him the fuck out of there!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Jesus, that would have been a hell of a goal by Mexico

[Sense]

Geez..... Damnit Andres.... he had that shit

[Typhoon]

Mexico playing better, and that was so close..

[Sense]

yea..... but they're still shaken in the defensive end, they're showing respect to their scorers.

[Sense]

ahh Nery's decisions are suckin...

[Sense]

Phew... almost

[MaNuMaNiAc]

no offense sense, but what respect? if Mexico fouled any more, we'd be crossing into NFL territory

[MaNuMaNiAc]

gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAL!!!

[Sense]

no offense sense, but what respect? if Mexico fouled any more, we'd be crossing into NFL territory

most of the time all of the 11 players are in Mexico's defensive end.


and there... I guessed right

[Typhoon]

Holy Shit Heinze, Jesus I did not see that coming...

[Sense]

stupid Sanchez, that was just plain stupid.... but another incredible goal.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

thank god! :lol I was getting worried there. Hopefully this will last, 'cause Mexico is playing better so far

[Sense]

Hugo needs to make some serious changes as far as how they're playing Argentina on the defensive end.... and he really has to become pop now.. and get on their faces....


It's his Birthday and he ain't gonna enjoy it if they keep playing like this.... they need to get rid of cacho and get a combo of Bravo and Nery....

[Typhoon]

That was the perfect ending for Argentina, they dont look tired... end of 1st half and winning... Mexico they did look kinda tired at the end, they put up a hell of an effort in the first half.

[ALVAREZ6]

What a goal, I was not expecting that at all.

[SAtown]

Pinche Oswaldo culero!!! I swear, I don't know what the FUCK Hugo Sanchez sees in him. They should be thinking about the future, and the future is with Memo Ochoa.

[Typhoon]

Pinche Oswaldo culero!!! I swear, I don't know what the FUCK Hugo Sanchez sees in him. They should be thinking about the future, and the future is with Memo Ochoa.

I agree, that guy is an amazing keeper.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

That was the perfect ending for Argentina, they dont look tired... end of 1st half and winning... Mexico they did look kinda tired at the end, they put up a hell of an effort in the first half.well they've been running like mad all over the pitch. They better run out of steam sometime soon :lol That Castillo... what the hell was he fed growing up? nitroglycerin??

[Sense]

well they've been running like mad all over the pitch. They better run out of steam sometime soon :lol That Castillo... what the hell was he fed growing up? nitroglycerin??


I don't know, but we're very lucky to have him with Mexico... the guy's pretty much carried the team....

[SAtown]

It's his Birthday and he ain't gonna enjoy it if they keep playing like this.... they need to get rid of cacho and get a combo of Bravo and Nery....

Yeah but Nery isn't doing SHIT! He can't even complete one pass! All this time I thought Hugo was bluffing by saying he was hurt and all, but maybe it is true. Also, Nery is playing WAY too low - 95% of the time he receives the ball, he is not even at midfield (on Mexico's side).

Nery needs to step up, or Bofo or Bravo are coming in (God forbid Cuauh from coming in...)

[Sense]

Pinche Oswaldo culero!!! I swear, I don't know what the FUCK Hugo Sanchez sees in him. They should be thinking about the future, and the future is with Memo Ochoa.

Oswaldo is a veteran and has passion for the game, he's also a leader... and he was one of the two that wasn't nervous or shaken at the begginning of the game, the other one being Nery...

Idk but if we lose I don't mind it being with Oswaldo as the keeper.... just keep him there until he loses all of it.......

Now that I saw the replay it can be understandable how he didn't see the Argentinian, he was really sorrounded by the Mexicans up until his leg came up

[Sense]

Yeah but Nery isn't doing SHIT! He can't even complete one pass! All this time I thought Hugo was bluffing by saying he was hurt and all, but maybe it is true. Also, Nery is playing WAY too low - 95% of the time he receives the ball, he is not even at midfield (on Mexico's side).

Nery needs to step up, or Bofo or Bravo are coming in (God forbid Cuauh from coming in...)



:lol I agree!!! I hate Blanco.... if Hugo puts him in I'm just turning off the TV.. cuz that's the end of it...

Nery has been really trying to attack, but his decisions have been very bad.. he's trying to share the ball too much... and he's losing it... I think he's going to be more aggressive in the 2nd half.... Mexico's going to be more calm

[SAtown]

Oswaldo is a veteran and has passion for the game, he's also a leader... and he was one of the two that wasn't nervous or shaken at the begginning of the game, the other one being Nery...

Idk but if we lose I don't mind it being with Oswaldo as the keeper.... just keep him there until he loses all of it.......

Now that I saw the replay it can be understandable how he didn't see the Argentinian, he was really sorrounded by the Mexicans up until his leg came up

Se la comio contra Argentina en el Mundial DOS VECES: el gol de Crespo (que fue mas autogol de Borgetti) y el gol de Maxi (que fue puro PEDO)! Not to mention the little dance he did before Donovan's PK in the Gold Cup Final (and not even diving for the ball). I'm fuckin sick of people defending him, we need to look more towards the future

[SAtown]

Vamos Muchachos! :pctoss

[Sense]

Se la comio contra Argentina en el Mundial DOS VECES: el gol de Crespo (que fue mas autogol de Borgetti) y el gol de Maxi (que fue puro PEDO)! Not to mention the little dance he did before Donovan's PK in the Gold Cup Final (and not even diving for the ball). I'm fuckin sick of people defending him, we need to look more towards the future


Ya se... pero no podia cambiar de arquero ahorita... Ochoa necesita mas experiencia... y necesita ser lider como Oswaldo... alamejor si perdemos este, empiezan ah usarlo en unos juegos amistosos.... muchos de esos..

Para que Mexico tenga fe en el...

[Sense]

Yes..!!! Cacho gone... Bravo in...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Se la comio contra Argentina en el Mundial DOS VECES: el gol de Crespo (que fue mas autogol de Borgetti) y el gol de Maxi (que fue puro PEDO)! Not to mention the little dance he did before Donovan's PK in the Gold Cup Final (and not even diving for the ball). I'm fuckin sick of people defending him, we need to look more towards the futureare you seriously holding the keeper responsible for not stop Maxi's goal?? that shit was unstoppable.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

so... Torrado isn't coming in? that should be interesting

[Sense]

are you seriously holding the keeper responsible for not stop Maxi's goal?? that shit was unstoppable.


Yeah.... I agree....

[Sense]

Arse trying to do the same shit he did against Paraguay.....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I actually don't mind that yellow card, I'd been crying for those to come out more often in this scenarios

[Sense]

He barely touched him... maybe if he didn't fall the way he did.

[Sense]

FUCK! two fuckin poles..

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'd... I... that was painful

[Sense]

Nery needs that extra pass... he can't take on all of em by himself..

[Sense]

That was bullshit!! Messi that that foul

[MaNuMaNiAc]

what the fuck was that?? how long is the ref going to wait to call that foul on Messi???

[Sense]

what the fuck was that?? how long is the ref going to wait to call that foul on Messi???


That was a clean barrida.... Messi jumped on him after he lost the ball... No way was that foul by any Mexican...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Now THAT's a GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL!!!!

[Typhoon]

Ultragoal!

[Sense]

Omg...... Ok yeah Oswaldo is officially the goalkeeper that keeps getting incredible goals against him...

seriously every goal that gets him is always an amazing one..... geez.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

uhmm... that did not look like a penalty

[Sense]

Argentina learning from Manu..

[MaNuMaNiAc]

that wasn't a penalty

[Typhoon]

Goal.. and it was a penalty dude.

[Sense]

Goal.. and it was a penalty dude.

Where was it? seriously.... that wasn't a penalty.... he was barely bumped.. and it just shouldn't have been called... flop.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Argentina learning from Manu..well, 2 good goals before this one should really eliminate the * talk that is probably going to ensue

[Sense]

well, 2 good goals before this one should really eliminate the * talk that is probably going to ensue

the only * that's going to ensue will be only between Mexicans.. and the reason will be Oswaldo.... but ehh... what can you do.......

[MaNuMaNiAc]

ok... Mexico is starting to foul hard... yellows better start coming out soon

[Sense]

This game's over.... ehh.. wish it would've been the game it was hyped to be...

Mexico owes this loss to incredible goals, oswaldo's stupidity, and nervousness from the youth......

Gg Argentina

[Sense]

We'll only get better... maybe next time :P

[MaNuMaNiAc]

almost the fourth

[Sense]

almost the fourth

You mean 3rd*

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You mean 3rd*:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

ahem...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1839704&postcount=20


I say Argentina 3 - 0 Mexico. I disagree its a toss up, I think Argentina is just now starting to play its best football. I think Mexico is good, but it won't be good enough. Good luck though

:D

[SAtown]

Great game by Argentina. Clearly the superior team. I hope you beat the hell out of Brazil

[Typhoon]

Total domination...

Now Argentina vs Brasil.

[Typhoon]

ahem...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1839704&postcount=20



:D

:toast

[SAtown]

I guess I'm glad it didn't take extra time to get my fuckin heart ripped out again... just the regular 90 minutes

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I guess I'm glad it didn't take extra time to get my fuckin heart ripped out again... just the regular 90 minutesnot even that long if you think about it, its been 3 - 0 since like the 70 minute mark :p:

[smeagol]

Messi = young Maradona

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Me puse a leer El Universal de Mexico hace un rato y me encontre con esta joyita...

la verdad que me desiluciono bastante... nuestro reporteros muchas veces son agrandados, pero nunca asi de irrespetuosos. Este reportero se puede ir bien a la mierda!

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/436253.html



5 Evitar lo canchero de los argentinos

Ningún equipo como el argentino para jugar al filo del reglamento, para sacar la más mínima ventaja sobre toda ética deportiva, justificados en la “picardía” de su futbol. La Mano de Dios, es un ejemplo de la mentalidad “canchera” de los argentinos. Simulan faltas como nadie, cuando el árbitro se los permiten, son capaces de cualquier marrullería para sacar ventaja: meter la mano, jalar la camiseta, escupir a las cara (El Bofo bien sabe de ello), revolcarse sobre el césped indefinidamente con tal de agotar el tiempo si les conviene, y hasta hacer hechizos en plena cancha (Ecuador 1993) para maldecir el futbol de su contrario. Concentración y futbol, será la clave para contrarrestar este sórdido argumento albiceleste

[ALVAREZ6]

What time is Argentina vs. Brazil?

[Sense]

Me puse a leer El Universal de Mexico hace un rato y me encontre con esta joyita...

la verdad que me desiluciono bastante... nuestro reporteros muchas veces son agrandados, pero nunca asi de irrespetuosos. Este reportero se puede ir bien a la mierda!

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/436253.html


How is that disrespectful? I mean I can understand why you'd get mad and all that shit but if those or most of those things actually occurred... he's just exploiting them... I mean sure all teams have their faults....but you can't get mad at a writer for writing about your soccer team about some faults they've done in the past and present..

just get over it... Mexico lost and they need to write.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

How is that disrespectful? I mean I can understand why you'd get mad and all that shit but if those or most of those things actually occurred... he's just exploiting them... I mean sure all teams have their faults....but you can't get mad at a writer for writing about your soccer team about some faults they've done in the past and present..

just get over it... Mexico lost and they need to write.how is it disrespectful?? are you kidding?? this idiot is practically pegging the Argentinian national team as the dirtiest team in proffesional football and I'm supposed to just get over it? Fuck that!

I'm not going to deny that those things happened, but most teams have done stupid shit in the course of their history. What this douche is saying is basically implying we're the ones that do it most often and that's bullshit!

You're right, Mexico lost, and they lost convincingly to a better team. I'm not the one that should get over it, its that guy.

[resistanze]

:lol What a fucking goal by Julio Baptista.

1-0 Brazil, this is gonna be a great game.

[resistanze]

Own goal by Ayala? Argentina is falling apart.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

wow... the worst game by Argentina I've seen since the last time Brasil handed our asses 3 - 0. I don't know what the fuck it is... against everyone else we play beautifully, but when it comes time to play Brasil, OUR NUTS FUCKING SHRINK!! Its a fact, there's no denying it, we are fucking scared of Brasil.

Horrible, horrible first half. Couldn't buy a decent pass to save our lives.

Two more things: Riquelme is a fucking no show. Not only is he a no show, he's not even fucking trying!

and I love Ayala, but its going to be hard to forgive that IDIOTIC own goal...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

hopefully, things will be somewhat different this half, or this is going to be a masacre

[MaNuMaNiAc]

disgusting, absolutely disgusting the way we are playing!

[resistanze]

It's shocking how seriously Argentina is being outplayed by Brazil. Brazil is just too damn hungry and Argentina look like lost little boys.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

they are outplaying us in every single aspect. They're running harder, they're passing better, they're more accurate with their shots, they're defending like I've never seen Brasil defend, and on top of it all, they are ten times more athletic. If team play can't save us, Messi is going to have to literally become Maradona out there, cocaine habit and all

[MaNuMaNiAc]

and on that note...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

truly pitiful...

[resistanze]

And it's a wrap. What a beautiful goal.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

before I go, I'd like to give props to Brasil. They THOROUGHLY outplayed us in every way possible. Their B team is light years better than our A team, without a fucking doubt. Great game by Brasil, they deserve to be champs

[resistanze]

before I go, I'd like to give props to Brasil. They THOROUGHLY outplayed us in every way possible. Their B team is light years better than our A team, without a fucking doubt. Great game by Brasil, they deserve to be champs
:tu commend you for taking the loss like a man. But you surely are allowed to be disappointed by Argentina's effort tonight.

[diego]

riquelme did what he does, that wasnt the problem. the problem was we never had an inside presence when brazil was only giving us freekicks. milito should have gone in before aimar or gonzalez. having to bring up our defenders in search of a goal - and being rushed to get back after the own goal- is what killed us. i cant believe we couldnt score one single goal!

[Typhoon]

Today it showed again how Brazil exposed Argentina’s defensive weaknesses, and they took every opportunity of it... (This has been going on for a long time) Argentina has a great team, probably is the best team with individual talent in the world, but I don’t see a leader that makes them play together, when they find such a player Argentina will truly shine...and also its pretty clear that Argentina's keeper and most of their defense needs to go, Im sure Basile saw that today.

Everyone has a team that will be a pain in the ass to beat, unfortunately for Argentina is Brazil, excellent team at opening the field while attacking, and Argentina’s old defenders couldn’t keep up.

A sad ending for Argentina, but Im sure they'll recover and come back stronger than ever...some excellent players in Sub-20 for Argentina.

[Sense]

Futbol is all about how you feel against an opponent.... Mexico usually does well against brazil...... they don't fear them or respect them too much... we are somewhat intimidated by argentina alot...

it affects they way they play immensely.. thats why you can say it was all about that in this cup...

Mexico beat brazil convincingly... and they used most of the bench for that game, even a different goal keeper... they got the starters against argentina and they broke down...

oh well... nice job by brazil.. even though i really dont think they deserved this cup.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'd also like to commend Brasil for their sportsmanship. In the past, there have been times where both teams, Brasil and Argentina, have heckled the loser, singing and taunting. I've always found this disgusting and demeaning, from both sides. This Brasil team beat us fairly, and with respect. Respect earns respect, and they have earned mine.

After sleeping on it, this defeat doesn't seem so bitter now. I mean, sure, its clear now that this team needs a lot more work than what was apparent, what with great performances against Peru and Mexico.

Fast, athletic teams are our cryptonite, specially if that team is Brasil :lol Our defense needs to go, love Ayala but its time for new blood. We need someone to help Mascherano in the middle, we can't expect the man to deal with 3 or 4 opposing players EVERY time! CHRIST! the man is good, but not THAT good! Our offense got dismantled as well, mainly due to the fact Brasil shut down Riquelme, completely and utterly. I'm surprised people hadn't figured this out before, we run on Riquelme, he's our fuel, he distributes the ball, he organizes our offense, you shut HIM down, and we're practically left at the mercy of Messi's brilliance, or Tevez' grit. I have to say though, its embarrassing how completely Riquelme was shut down, but not really that surprising if one thinks about it. The man doesn't run, period! He's like a 60 year old man out there. I mean sure he distributes the ball very well, he's got great vision of the field, but close his passing lanes and he can't do shit alone... not like he used to anyway.

Anyway, I think our boys did well, not great, but well. Had one hell of a tournament up until coming across a clearly motivated Brasil. I don't really think they are better, just that they match up very well with us, and for some reason, they seem to have wanted it more. Hopefully this will be a good learning experience for us (god knows we haven't learned shit from the last time Brasil kicked our asses in much the same manner) and we get it through our thick skulls that DEFENSE is a very important part of football, and ours was practically non existent.

[TDMVPDPOY]

37fouls commited by bra team .....

[diego]

37fouls commited by bra team .....

exactly, all argentina had were set pieces and we didnt have the personnel to capitalize them. now if brazil had a player sent off we would have been in great shape with the players we had but that didnt happen.

brazil's first goal was a great goal that you cant really do much about. the own goal and the counter attack for the 3rd were the result of argentina being too anxious moving up for the equaliser. the "smurfs"- tevez, messi, aimar, riquelme- were never going to win a ball in the air and that forced our defensive players to move further up. it killed us. i think not having crespo and not playing milito was much more of a problem than brasil "shutting down" riquelme by giving him FK. and though ayala is old and i hate the choking hack heinze, the argentina defense wasnt that bad, they were just taken out of position by basile's idiotic changes. we removed veron and cambiasso who help mascherano for aimar and gonzalez who really didnt add anything to the team, in fact it made us smaller and more vulnerable to brazil. this is all on Basile IMO

[Phenomanul]

I wonder what the outcome would be if at the semifinal stage the four remaining teams played a round-robin format.

[ALVAREZ6]

Hopefully this will be a good learning experience for us (god knows we haven't learned shit from the last time Brasil kicked our asses in much the same manner) and we get it through our thick skulls that DEFENSE is a very important part of football, and ours was practically non existent.I hope....I've always hated the way the team defends. They concentrate on offense too much, and if they're being defended well by any team, they're screwed.

[hater]

Dunga made Basile his personal bitch.

Dunga is gonna be the next best coach in the world. He completely picked apart the mighty Argentine defense AND offense.

Argentina got buttfucked ugly. The main problem with Argentine players is they panic when they know its not working out and make the situation much worse. just like when they go to penalty kicks vs. anyone

[Typhoon]

Dunga is gonna be the next best coach in the world. He completely picked apart the mighty Argentine defense

I stopped reading after that, if you really think Argentina has a mighty defense, you really dont know what the fuck you are talking about... and Dunga plan was to cut Argentina's offense by fouling, what a genius that guy is...lol

[hater]

I stopped reading after that, if you really think Argentina has a mighty defense, you really dont know what the fuck you are talking about... and Dunga plan was to cut Argentina's offense by fouling, what a genius that guy is...lol

I meant mighty compared to the 9 other contestants in America's Cup.

[ALVAREZ6]

Argentina has always played at the same pace. They have no changes in their tempo. Also, Argentina always makes really forced paces where there is little to no space when attacking, Brazil opens the game up and spreads the field and they all start running at the same time, changing paces, and htat's why they're good.