Summer League Game 1: Spurs vs. Sixers

[FirebatMIV]

Yeah, but does he look like the best low-post player?

Because, I doubt he's the solution for backup PG... :lol

He's being doubled immediately.

[mardigan]

Matt Haryass nice putback

[AFBlue]

He's being doubled immediately.

Good to know...

Has he attempted to fight through the double, or move away from it....to score?

[FirebatMIV]

Good to know...

Has he attempted to fight through the double, or move away from it....to score?

He's done a decent job of moving to try to get the ball, but he's not really trying to look for his own shot.

[Spurs Brazil]

Sommerville can shot

[Doug Collins]

Good to know...

Has he attempted to fight through the double, or move away from it....to score?

Typically is facing up and passing out of it.

[mardigan]

Butler, nice

[Mr. Body]

Nice move on the baseline for Butler.

[Doug Collins]

JB and1

[FirebatMIV]

Oh, spin move on the white boy!

[Cloud786]

Jackie with a TIMMY move!

[timvp]

Nice move by Butler. Spin move baseline and the foul.

[Spurs Brazil]

Great move by Butler and one

[AFBlue]

JB Dunk or Layup to finish?

[mardigan]

Layup

[Mr. Body]

Butler hsa nice speed on the spin move.

[Doug Collins]

JB Dunk or Layup to finish?

Layup in traffic

[Cloud786]

Spurs up 49-48!

[Spurs Brazil]

layup

[usckk]

49-48 Spurs!

[FirebatMIV]

Spurs take the lead!

[mardigan]

WIll Viktor play next game?

[SAntonio!]

butler used timmys baseline spin for a nice and 1

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Butler>Elson
It's official.

[AFBlue]

Has JB picked up a foul this half?

If not, maybe it was just a short adjustment to the reffing crews...

[Kori Ellis]

3400 page views for a midday summer league thread :lol

[mardigan]

I think he picked up one

[Doug Collins]

They can't stop JB down low!

[Zarko]

jackie is a man among boys right now

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

WIll Viktor play next game?
How come he's not playing today?

[mcdunk]

Butler is waking up and making some moves to the basket.

[Mr. Body]

This guy guarding Butler can't handle him.

[timvp]

Butler with a Kiki move.

[Spurs Brazil]

Butler with the same move

Go to the line

[SAntonio!]

butler's a beast down low!

[FirebatMIV]

I really like this summerleague team defensively.

[Mr. Body]

Butler can't fucking dunk.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Is he being guarded by Jason Smith?

[Soul_Patch]

was that jb on another missed easy one? =(

[spurQ]

I love having 3 flat screen moniter's at my desk at work! hehehehe!!

[objective]

lol, another blown dunk by the Butler!

[Spurs Brazil]

DAMN JB missed another dunk

[SAntonio!]

wtf? butler misses easy dunk

[FirebatMIV]

Is he being guarded by Jason Smith?

Some Jason Smith, some of another guy who obviously is not strong enough.

[mardigan]

How come he's not playing today?
Dont know, hes listed as DNP in the box score so far, dont even know if he is suited up

[usckk]

God just scored!

[Mr. Body]

White finishing against a body bump! Good sign!

[mardigan]

White is the shit!

[FirebatMIV]

James White has awesome body control

[Mr. Body]

Anyone know if White is doing anything but scoring?

[usckk]

James White more of an offensive player than defense now?

[kyleo]

OK, White just realized he had to get back for defense...and I swear, it was like someone sped up the feed into fast-forward.

[SAntonio!]

White's first step looks like sean elliot!

[AFBlue]

score, time?

[mardigan]

Butler again, damn

[Cloud786]

LOL another missed dunk by jackie.

[Mr. Body]

Holy shit Butler missed another dunk!!!

[Spurs Brazil]

JB missed his 3rd dunk but made the tip

[timvp]

:lmao Butler needs to do a dunk drill.

[kyleo]

At least Elson can finish occasionally :lol

[AFBlue]

Why the misses?

Is he not elevating high enough? Is it slipping out of his hands? Is he trying to "throw it down" too hard?

[timvp]

Who the hell just blocked that?

Harvey.

[timvp]

BS foul on Butler.

[Cloud786]

trying to throw it down too hard

[AFBlue]

time, score?

[AFBlue]

trying to throw it down too hard

:lol

So he's pumped....could be worse I suppose. I'm just glad he's not getting blocked by the rim because he has a 10 inch vertical.... :lol

[FirebatMIV]

Haha, nobody can dunk!

[Mr. Body]

Butler has really nice hands, but when he tries to power it down, seems to lose control of the ball.

[FirebatMIV]

this offense seems lost without Butler.

[AFBlue]

this offense seems lost without Butler.

:lol

He's the Summer League Duncan...

[FirebatMIV]

:lol

He's the Summer League Duncan...

It's not just that, it's like no other big man knows how to set a freakin screen.

[AFBlue]

time left, score?

[timvp]

The refs don't know the rules. You can throw it into the backcourt in that situation.

[FirebatMIV]

Bullshit!

[Cloud786]

Nice jump hook jackie

[AFBlue]

Nice jump hook jackie

Baseline jumphook?

[FirebatMIV]

Baseline jumphook?

Back to the basket, about 8 ft out. YOu know, what Timmy usually does.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It's the Jackie Butler show! :D

[AFBlue]

Back to the basket, about 8 ft out. YOu know, what Timmy usually does.

Keep coming with the Timmy comparisons....

:hungry:

[ShoogarBear]

Crap, why can't this show this on NBA-TV? I can't get the website to work on my Treo.

[FirebatMIV]

Keep coming with the Timmy comparisons....

:hungry:

It was the best way to describe it, cause that's what it was.

[AFBlue]

What does Jackie's statline look like now?

[Spurs Brazil]

Pass the ball CJ

[AFBlue]

Man I hate being "that guy" with the eight million questions!

I wish my IT dept. wouldn't be so damn strict...

[FirebatMIV]

Love CJ Watson's defense, do not love his decision making.

[Cloud786]

spurs down 1 with 2:43 left.

[Spurs Brazil]

2:49 to go

76ers up one

[SAntonio!]

57-58 76ers 2:43 in the 4th

[AFBlue]

spurs down 1 with 2:43 left.

nm

[usckk]

CJ Watson>Vaughn?

[AFBlue]

Who's in?

[mardigan]

Use the zoom!!!

[FirebatMIV]

CJ Watson>Vaughn?

He;s quick and long, but have you seen how bad he is offensively?

[usckk]

He;s quick and long, but have you seen how bad he is offensively?
I can't see how he is worse offensively than Vaughn.

[Behrooz24]

Dagger

[SAntonio!]

JB back in

[FirebatMIV]

I can't see how he is worse offensively than Vaughn.

Cause he looks to shoot

[AFBlue]

Dagger

Dagger by who, Spurs?

[usckk]

James White frustrated!

[Zarko]

gay charge on jackie

[AFBlue]

What is the lineup in the closing minutes?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

score and time?

[Cloud786]

59-61, 1:12 left.. 76ers ball.

[SAntonio!]

down 2 a buck left

[Zarko]

tover white

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It's for Jackie Butler to take over! :hungry:

[SAntonio!]

down 2

[mardigan]

Watson with the nice floater

[djohn14]

Has James White done anything note worthy?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

score and time please?

[FirebatMIV]

score and time please?
Spurs down by four, 12 seconds

[mardigan]

65-61, 12 seconds left, 6ers up

[Cloud786]

spurs down four.. 13 seconds left, spurs ball.

[Behrooz24]

12.9 sec 61-65 76ers

[Behrooz24]

Spurs ball

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Cue Jackie Butler's 4-point play :hungry: !

[usckk]

Dang it! We lost! It's over! Trade Williams! ;)

[mardigan]

Spurs lose....Spurs lose.....

[Cloud786]

game over.. spurs lose 61-65

[FirebatMIV]

Butler got them 2 extra possessions on the last play, we couldn't hit 3s.

This team needs a PG

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:depressed

[SAntonio!]

i know its summer ball, but i hate losing

[FirebatMIV]

White and Butler both looked good today.

We need a shooter and a playmaker.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Boxscore?

[Mr. Body]

:depressed

:lol

[mardigan]

Boxscore?I cant get it to update on NBA.com, been trying since halftime

[SAntonio!]

yeah butler looked like shaq down low..im impressed

[djohn14]

Did Sanikidze play?

[mardigan]

Did Sanikidze play?
Nope

[Darkwaters]

Damn, and I just got out of my meeting too!

[Darkwaters]

How did Williams, White and Butler look?

[djohn14]

Nope
Dude, he really better get some playing time. I've wanted to see how he does for a whil, but nobody can if he dosen't play. DAMN!!!

[SASdynasty!]

That was a good game depite the blue screens, nba.com's desicion not to update the box score after half time, house wide power failure at the start of the 4rth, and he loss.

So who is going watch the start to the Durant era?

[whottt]

Fire Newman!
These Refs are in the Summer League commisioner's pocket. I've never seen more one sided officiatiing.
These tightwads don't even use a java scoreboard...what is this...the Stone Age?
White and Butler are both overpaid and should be traded for that Sixer player that had the huge dunk at the end.


I'll say it right now...not only will this Summer League not win the championship, I doubt they even make the playoffs....no heart, no desire.

[whottt]

Oh and would some commentators be too much to ask for? Sheeyitttt

[FirebatMIV]

Oh and would some commentators be too much to ask for? Sheeyitttt

Yet, this converage still managed to be better than ESPN.

[zekes]

They are "blacking out" the Seattle webcast in San Antonio. Weak.

[DynastyBuilder]

White and Butler are both overpaid and should be traded for that Sixer player that had the huge dunk at the end.


That was Louis Williams at 6-1, 175 and he put it down over Jackie quite easily.

[Mr. Body]

Butler and White looked solid. Each have legit NBA skills. Marcus Williams did very little, but not much should be expected from him at this point.

[TradeManu4Kobe]

to watch the seattle game:
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

[zekes]

to watch the seattle game:
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

Thanks!!

[mabber]

to watch the seattle game:
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

Thanks!

Great up & under move by Durant just now.

[AFBlue]

And the damn box score is STILL not updated....

[zekes]

And the damn box score is STILL not updated....

26-21 Dallas. 4 minutes left in 2nd.

[timvp]

Final box score is up:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520700001

[PhaQ]

Can anybody please archive the game....so we can all see it please???

[E20]

I guess you can't foul out, because Butler has 8 fouls.

[PhaQ]

Did james white do any dunks at all or anything worth mentioning?

[Mr. Body]

Hard to believe Butler played only about 24 minutes. He was perhaps the most dominant player in the game.

[Bruno]

First, Summer league refs are horrible. If games are painfull to watch, refs are the first reason.
Butler looks quite good. He was quite nervous/rusty (missed dunks) but he has done some nice post moves. I've found him in a good shape and he was quite mobile.
White was good. If he continue to play like that, he shouldn't be cut.
Williams was a no show.

[JMarkJohns]

Can anyone who saw explain why Marcus only attempted two shots? Was he obviously deferring, was he well defended, was he "not all there" during the game?

Marcus can score 20 a game against this competition. Obviously, however, he'll need more than two attempts to do so?

Without seeing or hearing, I expect he's trying to get a feel for his teammates, expectations and his current abilities vs. the competition.

However, he can't wait too long... I know that today's player wasn't the player who was bantied about as a potential top-20 pick until February of this year.

[HeyIt'sMe]

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

Seattle/Dallas game.

[Switchman]

does that not work in firefox? I tried it in IE and I get errors when trying to open it up in VLC player :(

[phyzik]

I guess you can't foul out, because Butler has 8 fouls.

can foul out at 10 I think

[pad300]

Anybody know anything about why Sanikidze got a DNP?

[bdictjames]

Can anybody post here the link of the upcoming Blazers game? Please

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/scoreboard.jsp - they'll be a link that says "Watch" next to it when the game starts.

[Kori Ellis]

Anybody know anything about why Sanikidze got a DNP?

I'm not even sure he was there.

I think ChumpDumper was at the game today, so we'll have to ask next time he's online.

[spurscenter]

yo I was at the game.

It was fun.

Gonna go to the tables, be back later.

[texasqb2]

Jackie Butler absolutely sucks....hope he can pull off a couple of games so we can trade his fat ass

[milkyway21]

Spurs team lost
&

Sonics' Durant lost too?

I wonder if this team China is the same line-up for Japan FIBA-Asia qualifying later this month.

Whoa! :cry

[milkyway21]

Jackie Butler absolutely sucks....hope he can pull off a couple of games so we can trade his fat ass
Butler

24 min
11 pts (3 of 8)
5-5 FT
3 Off.Rbd
2 def.Rbd
6 assts
1 stl
2 blks
but;
5 TO

[Mr. Body]

Jackie Butler missed three damn dunks. Point blank. If he laid them in or made the dunks, the game is a win.

Only five boards - should be more.

Assists were great.

5 TOs - at least a couple offensive fouls, but the game was called poorly.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Summer League Analysis: Game 1, Vs. Philadelphia


Although the defending NBA Champions are the San Antonio Spurs, their young prospects failed to live up to the glory and beauty of the Spurs’ team basketball. Hey, it’s only the Summer League, right? Everyone was able to see how some of the younger prospects San Antonio has on their roster, as well as a couple who, after just one game, may have a chance to get invited to training camp. Let’s start it off.

Jackie Butler

While Butler turned the ball over a lot and fouled a lot, he played pretty well. He was the best passer on the floor for the Spurs. He was one of the best passers out of the post I’ve seen in the past couple of years. He just had a knack for finding people out of the post. His post moves were a bit technical, but he showed good moves in the post. He was able to get to the free throw line and was productive from the stripe. There was one play where it took him 18 seconds to get into the half court offense. 18. I repeat, 18 seconds. If he wants to prove he deserves to play in the NBA, he must show he is willing to at least jog up the court on every possession. Overall, he was the best big man, but playing time will dictate whether he was lazy or just out of shape.

CJ Watson

Watson displayed a lot of patience running the point for San Antonio. He made sure not to force the issue, although having just one assist in the box score doesn’t do his play justice. His size was a bit of a problem for Louis Williams and ended up getting a couple of steals off of Williams’ miscues. He didn’t look for his shot like Williams did, so he didn’t stand in a lot of people’s eyes. It’ll be interesting to see whether he stays in the same pass-first, shoot-third mode he was in or if he decides to get a little more aggressive as the SL plays out. He’s one point guard to watch.

James White

White displayed a better handle compared to last year, as well as trying to draw contact at the rim, rather than go up for the dunk every time. With the exception of the monster, I mean, monster jam in traffic, White displayed good patience in his takes. He made decent decisions with the ball, but for someone who is 24, I expected better all-around play. His outside shot has good mechanics, but he didn’t show enough of a perimeter game to fully draw Philadelphia’s defense outside. I want to see his perimeter game more before I draw a conclusion, but he was off and on today.

Marcus Williams

Williams was considered a bubble first round prospect this year. His year didn’t go quite as planned at Arizona, but he’s found a good place to learn the little things with the Spurs. He wasn’t forcing the issue like he did his freshman year. His outside game was there, but he didn’t show enough aggression attacking the hoop. He faded away in spots where his talent should come alive. Not too impressed with Williams off the bat, but there’s plenty of games where he can come alive.

Matt Haryasz

Haryasz bruised his way to a decent game for the Spurs. His shot wasn’t falling, but he was setting decent picks and making sure his guards were getting good shots off those picks. He doesn’t have NBA written on him anywhere, but if he can show more offensive potential in the post, he has a chance to make someone’s training camp. If he just goes with the flow and gets outplayed by the likes of Louis Amundson and players smaller but scrappier than him, then he may just have a longer career overseas.

Donnell Harvey

Harvey, a former first round pick, player power forward for the Spurs. He made sure Jason Smith had a hard time getting acclimated in the post. He was a pure inside player in this game. I can’t say much else about him. Same goes for the other Spurs in this game. Maybe they will show more in the coming games, but, like the entire team, didn’t take advantage of any opportunities Philadelphia laid at their feet.

Overall View

San Antonio failed to live up to the actual NBA team. They never took advantage of easy opportunities. There were a couple of times where they had a 5-on-4 or a 3-on-2 and couldn’t get the easy bucket. They’ll have to take advantage of those opportunities because there will be a lot of them. If they don’t, then the lack of defense in the Summer League will be too much for this team.


http://spurs.realgm.com/articles/64/20070706/summer_league_analysis_game_1_vs._philadelphia/

[milkyway21]

thanks for the article, Piston fan.

[Borosai]

I need to see that James White! dunk.

[wildbill2u]

Look at the box score for jersey numbers.

Butler has 4 fouls, White has 2.
are these guys playing too hard from excitement/nervousness or do they suck.

I mean 4 fouls in the first quarter against Summer league opponents means Jackie is going to get eaten up by cagey vets if he ever gets some time in the league.

[AFBlue]

are these guys playing too hard from excitement/nervousness or do they suck.

I mean 4 fouls in the first quarter against Summer league opponents means Jackie is going to get eaten up by cagey vets if he ever gets some time in the league.

It's been said before, but the officiating is apparently horrible. That's another reason why each player is allowed 10 fouls.

While the 4 first quarter fouls were kind of alarming, I think it was actually more telling that he only got one more in the first half and ended up with a couple BS calls in the second half.

Basically, the quick 4 fouls in the beginning can be chalked up to learning how the refs will officiate in the first game of the summer league. I assume others (including Oden) had similar problems.

Again, I expect to see less fouls all around as the summer league progresses.

[El_Mago]

Anyone know what time the game can be caught on NBA.com today? (our time)

[Kori Ellis]

7pm central time.

[Darkwaters]

7pm central time.

Yippee! I don't have a meeting at 7PM today!

[nacho estrada]

Im Ready Im Ready

[pad300]

External Review of Day One from DraftExpress:
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2162



James White
13 Points, 2 Rebounds, 5-9 FG

-With most of White’s touches coming on the perimeter, White did an admirable job scoring off the dribble.
-Most of White’s points came at the rim, and his jumper could still use some work, but he showed signs of progress in the shot creating department. He’s obviously a freak athlete.

Jackie Butler
11 Points, 6 Rebounds, 8 PF

-After starting out slowly, Butler began to come around on the offensive end in the early second half. Unfortunately, his momentum was derailed by consecutive missed dunk attempts.
-Butler appears to have added some weight, and didn’t look as mobile or explosive as he did before coming to the Spurs. He looked out of shape and disinterested too often.

And from NBADraft.net
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007summerleague001.asp



James White was impressive. He's playing with better focus and aggressiveness than he showed in the past. He's attacking the basket and showing assertiveness. He had a solid effort with 13 pts on 5-9 shooting. But his lack of physical strength will always limit his ability to finish.

[timvp]

Butler appears to have added some weight, and didn’t look as mobile or explosive as he did before coming to the Spurs.:lol DraftExpress needs to hire better people before they become the draft version of HoopsWorld.

[mavs>spurs2]

:lol DraftExpress needs to hire better people before they become the draft version of HoopsWorld.

:lol Isn't being overweight what kept him on the bench in New York?

[koopa]

:lol Isn't being overweight what kept him on the bench in New York?


i think it was more of the fact that the knicks were overpaying jerome james and have curry......... larry brown did say the jackie as some point was the best center on the team or some shit like that

plus, if you seen jackie from when he first came and now, there is now way you could say he has gained weight, he has lost a shit load of weight it seems

[Kori Ellis]

plus, if you seen jackie from when he first came and now, there is now way you could say he has gained weight, he has lost a shit load of weight it seems

He has lost around 35 pounds since before he was with the Spurs.

Nice research and observations by the writer. :lol