What about Javtokas?

[davi78239]

I got really excited about this guy last summer. When or is ever gonna come over?

[Kamnik]

as u probably know he had a bad motorcycle accident few years ago that made him much worse than he was before

today he is an average center in Europe and has no upside at all

so that basicly means he is never coming

[Admidave50]

last I heard, he sucks..

[Tippecanoe]

he can jump

thats pretty much it

[MajorMike]

He was a bench warmer in minor euro ball this year.

[tmtcsc]

saaying he is an average euro center is being nice. sadly, he is no longer good.

[timvp]

Javtokas got mad when the Spurs brought in Elson and Butler because he thought there'd be too much competition for him to get minutes. That's about all you need to know about him.

[ploto]

He was a bench warmer in minor euro ball this year.
Educate yourself--the Euro-league champions are not MINOR Euro ball- no matter what you think of Javtokas.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He's the greatest player we never brought over.... according to Mr. Body.

Like LJ said, he was mad we brought in Elson and Butler, and even madder when he didn't get an offer starting at the MLE.

Scrub.

[Mr. Body]

He's the greatest player we never brought over.... according to Mr. Body.

Scola.

[venitian navigator]

He didn't play a lot 'cause of the coach decision, but the other front court players were very, very good. We're talking of one of the best, maybe the best, team in Europe, certaily the one with the biggest number of very, very good players, most of them sharing limited minutes...
I agree that this season lowered his market value, but stil I consider him a better player for the nba stile than for the europe one...he could be a very good specialist for rebounds and bloked shots, and he runs the floor very well...he's an athlete.
Looks a lot like Elson, maybe a little less speed and sure less touch from outside, but a lot bigger and stronger.
Coming to his reaction for playing time, it's a normal reaction considering that Spurs gave a contract worth three millions to someone (Elson) that was a 10 th man in a not so good team, was older but with the some or less playing experience, had the same skills of him and proposed him just the little level exception...while he was coming from the best season ever in Europe.
The fact that, after all, the Panathinaikos gave him that contract, worth very good money, confirm what is value, after all, was considered (and is, still, considered, also if lowerede a bit 'cause of the lack of playing time) in Europe...

After all, I say : whan you make a little gamble, you can win or lose...but with Scola and Javtokas, we already won when we drafted them low, 'cause they matured well enough to be both top players in Europe.
IMHO they could be more than decent players also for our team, but we are loaded with players...they sure could be good nba players for any other nba team with less ruules to learn.
The point is, thay have, as for now, very little nba value...just because they didn't play a single nba minute.
So, I don't wanna say I don't agree with the management (I could I dare, after four titles in nine years ?), but it's a fact that a lot of other nba teams, if given the chance, would have already signed both these guys...and increased their value, just for that, in the nba market!

So, is just a choice of "convenience"...what's better for us ? I think the management, till now, think that the best thing for us is to let...them where they are.
And, maybe, that's right for the nba rules, but, maybe, not that fair...

Only question : are we now or we''ll be ever in position to give them a try or a chance ? in case case, it could be a good idea.

[mountainballer]

well, there are a lot of claims on this board, that Javtokas is a bust and reading some of the sarcastic posts (not just in this thread, but even more in many threads all over the year) you get the impression, that some are celebrating whenever they hear some bad news about Javtokas.

no doubt that Javtoks had a very bad year in Greece. call it a cancer year.

once he survived a life threatening accident and worked himself back into shape to be a professional basketball player (something most thought won't ever happen after the accident).

if a player can do this, he might be also able to survive a cancer year.

some additional informations (for the clueless members on this board):
yes he was bad.
his average of 1.7 PPG and 2.1 RPG in just 8.3 MPG is telling that he is a bust. period.
uuuups. I mixed something up. this are the numbers of Oberto in his first year for the Spurs.
Javtokas had 2.6 PPG and 1.6 RPG in 8.7 MPG.
but anyhow, we also learnd that Oberto is a bust and will never help this team. oh, wait. ah. nevermind.

something about Panathinaikos. Obradovic mostly plays a very small line up of 3 guards and 2 forwards.
Dejan Tomasevic, the other center of the team, also played only 16 MPG and Tomasevic (33) without a doubt is still one of the best centers in Europe. (former Euroleague MVP, 2 times world champion, etc.)
there were just not many minutes available for the centers, no matter if Javtokas played good or not.
people could argue, that he shouldn't have signed for this team, knowing what system Obradovic plays. right, but if the best team in Europe calls you and offers you quite a big contract, who wouldn't sign?

noone knows what kind of money Spurs have offered last summer (after the signing of Butler and Elson it likely was just a minimum contract, if they have offered a contract at all). the rumor that he wanted big money (or even MLE money) was brought up by some of these "fans", who ususally know nothing, but shout out loud about everything.

I don't know if Javtokas will ever be a NBA player, likely he won't. but I still lack a reason, why I shouldn't wish him the best and hope that he will do much better the next year. (with another team)
his rehabilitation and comeback story proves more volition and commitment to the game, than you will get from many NBA players.
at least this should result in some respect for Javtokas, instead of this moronic bashing.

[velik_m]

For what is worth, when i saw Javtokas play he didn't seem any worse than last year, just less minutes. Good blocker and rebounder, his offensive game however is limited to putbacks. I think he could a good backup center in NBA.

[wildbill2u]

Everyone got excited from watching all those YouTube highlight vids.

Only problem is that no one remembers they are just that--highlights--where He never missed a shot, made a lot of dunks, a few blocks.

He looked like the second coming of DROB.