G O D . . .

[peewee's lovechild]

GOD is the pansiest entity in the Universe.

He's such an Emo pussy.
Sometimes he's happy.
Sometimes he's pissed.
Sometimes he gets hurt by us humans.

Plus, he's a vindictive son of a bitch.

I mean, that motherfucker put us here on Earth and then he says that only the good shall go to heaven and the bad shall go to Hell.

Then, he gets all pissed because everyone figures out that Satan is a lot hipper than he is. So, when Hell becomes the destination of choice, he throws a pissy fit and swears that he will destroy Earth.

What the fuck is wrong with GOD??

He sucks ass.

[peewee's lovechild]

It turns out GOD doesn't feel like talking.

[2Blonde]

Plus, he's a vindictive son of a bitch.


Somebody has been watching Law & Order: Can't remember if it was regular or decaf (criminal intent).
I saw that episode too last week. Get some new material! :rolleyes ( or at least steal your monologues form more obscure television shows.

[blizz]

Somebody has been watching Law & Order: Can't remember if it was regular or decaf (criminal intent).
I saw that episode too last week. Get some new material! :rolleyes ( or at least steal your monologues form more obscure television shows.

:clap

[Summers]

Can't y'all just PM each other? Neither of you is funny and you're ruining other interesting threads. Well, okay this was funny: .) but that's it.

[peewee's lovechild]

Somebody has been watching Law & Order: Can't remember if it was regular or decaf (criminal intent).
I saw that episode too last week. Get some new material! :rolleyes ( or at least steal your monologues form more obscure television shows.

What's a Law & Order?

[G O D]

It turns out GOD doesn't feel like talking.
Historically, G O D listens more than G O D speaks.
Have a nice day! :elephant

[peewee's lovechild]

Historically, G O D listens more than G O D speaks.
Have a nice day! :elephant

So, were you listening in when I was jacking off and screaming my cousins name?

I hope you weren't tuning in to that.

[The Janitor]

Who is this GOD everyone is afraid of?

[peewee's lovechild]

Who is this GOD everyone is afraid of?

He's actually a gigantic Vagina wandering the universe in search of the "Great Black Cock".

[theroc5]

What a sad time we live in, God fearing men are so few. Do you not understand that he is there? If there were a painting that means there is a painter, if there is a building that means there an architect. If there is an earth that means there must be a creator. Rather it’s how complex our reproduction system is or to our earth how it’s in the perfect position for life and how it all works. Heres an example of what im talking about, You have an eye that has 137-million light-sensitive cells. If a camera lens can't come together without a designer, neither can your eye. Get the just of it?
You can even look at the bible. Over 300 prophecies from the Old testament were full filled by Jesus(Yeshua) again these predictions of who the messiah would be were written hundreds of years before Jesus came to earth. Just some one full filling 8 of them is an astronomical number. NO man could ever predict as much as the Bible and yet not been wrong. From Israel becoming a nation, to the end of times and the news that we see today, to even those 300 prophecies that I speak of. I encourage you all to look at these prophecies and read the scriptures and pray if there is a God then please show. Be Humble as well!

Still Interested in what is being talked about? Think eternity is important? Worried ever? Then read....down

[theroc5]

There are certain sections of this note. Read the title of the section to see if you’re interested in it. Please if you have any questions hit me up or hit up a church! This note was to inform people about information they may not know a lot about or information they have questioned.

God is a Trinity
See God is a Trinity, meaning he is one God but in 3 persons, like I have one body but 3 important organs (brain, heart, lungs). The brain communicates to the heart and lungs yet the whole body functions as one. Its all co efficient and co eternal ect… Just like God, you have God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as its only one God but in 3 distinct persons. God is of one essence and self sufficient (fulfilled with in him self) as well. Going back to the Human Body metaphor, each organ has a job but one overall purpose. The same goes for our amazing God. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit each is distinct and has certain jobs but one over all purpose. See our brain, heart and lungs are each organs but yet its still one human body.

Jesus/ how can we get to heaven and know God
So now you might ask “how does Jesus fit in to the picture”. Well Jesus is God the Son. He is the Messiah. See once God created humans we sinned. And Sin can’t be near God because it offends him. So if you sin you have to go to hell. Since we are all sinners we need a savior from hell. That’s why God the son manifested him self in to human form being fully human and fully God and lived a sin free life to be put upon the cross with all of our sins and died, then he rose 3 days later and freed us from sin. So now "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved Romans 10:9. Its one thing to know of a God but it’s another thing to know who he is personally. See once you accept Christ as your lord and savior you will be baptized by the Holy Spirit. Your body then becomes a temple for God. You then want to not to sin so you can become closer to God. You want to read his word, learn more and worship him at church. You want to be involved in a ministry to help people as well as helping people come to now our great and loving God.


He loves us so much
Think about it, God loves us so much that For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life John 3:16. Think about that. God loves us so much that he created us and wanted a personal relationship with us so much that he did this. This is just incredible. His love is ever lasting. He loves his children, his creation that’s why we are in his image. He is Great!


The Bibles Accuracy
Now some might ask, is the Bible 100 percent true? Some might ask was it written by men or God? Well first let me point out a huge fact! There were over 300 prophecies(predictions) in the Old Testament that Jesus full filled! That is incredible. Do you realize how accurate the Bible is? How hard that would be for any man to predict that? Here are some prophecies and predictions on who the messiah would be…

The Old Testament said the messiah would
Be born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2
His ministry would be world wide Isaiah 49:6.
Foreshadows Jesus’s Ministry Isaiah 61
His side would be pierced Zechariah 12:10
Description of the crucifixion psalms 22
He would speak in parables Isaiah 6:9-10
He would be in Davids line Gen 12:1-3, 7
Would be born from a virgin Isaiah 7:14

This sounds a lot like Jesus to me. All of theses have been full filled and this is just the start of it. There is so many verses that have come true. Heck just look at the end of times in the Bible and now look at whats happening in the world today. Its crazy, how could the Bible just make up that Israel would one day be a nation again and that Russian and Iran would build an Alliance and such? first off, its important to know how the bible came to be. so you ask who wrote the bible...well, The Bible was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by over 40 different authors from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Despite these differences in occupation and the span of years it took to write it, the Bible is an extremely cohesive and unified book. the whole bible does not once contradict its self. and it all states the same foundation. the second thing you might want to ask is "how was the bible formed"?
well the old testament was canonized(made) before Christ. the first 5 books of the old testament were written by mosses. these books were brought together and made...now you may think ok what about the new testament..well the new testament was written AD.
all of the books in the new testament became canonized. there was a council to decide which books were to be put in the bible and they all had to have these two things in common, First, the books must have apostolic authority-- that is, they must have been written either by the apostles themselves, who were eyewitnesses to what they wrote about, or by associates of the apostles.
Second, there was the criterion of conformity to what was called the "rule of faith." In other words, was the document congruent with the basic Christian tradition that the church recognized as normative.
there is still authentic manuscripts that are still around today, the actual written documents. There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. The oldest manuscripts were written on papyrus and the later manuscripts were written on leather called parchment.


Common sense
If we are organized we have an organizer. If theres a picture then theres a painter. If we have a conscious then we know theres a law of right and wrong. Seriously do you realize how complicated everything is? How everything is such to a detail? From our reproduction system to our earth being at the only point where we have just enough sun light and rotation ect...Its obvious that we were made by God.


What should we do?
So as you can see through this bit of information the Bible is unlike any book. So I want to ask every one who reads this and that isn’t saved or if they don’t believe what his word says to message me so we can talk. Seriously to get close with GOD you gotta continue to pray, read your Bible daily and go to church. When you get to a certain age try to be in some type of ministry as well! God made us to glorify him and fellowship!

[theroc5]

GOD is the pansiest entity in the Universe.

He's such an Emo pussy.
Sometimes he's happy.
Sometimes he's pissed.
Sometimes he gets hurt by us humans.

Plus, he's a vindictive son of a bitch.

I mean, that motherfucker put us here on Earth and then he says that only the good shall go to heaven and the bad shall go to Hell.

Then, he gets all pissed because everyone figures out that Satan is a lot hipper than he is. So, when Hell becomes the destination of choice, he throws a pissy fit and swears that he will destroy Earth.

What the fuck is wrong with GOD??

He sucks ass.

If your an atheist and choose not to accept Christ then so be it, but you dont have to troll mocking faith. Your weak and it shows. How dare you and all of these people talk like your better? Who are yall to say these things?

By the way, Jesus says there is no one good but God and in the Bible is says we are as dirty as unclean rags. It states many times that we are not saved by works or going to church or what not. We are very much sinners and we are only made righteous through Christ. He lived a sin free life to be put on the cross. See we are all going to hell and we put our selves there not God. We sin and fall short of the glory of God. But since God the son ( Jesus Christ) came down and died on the cross, he took our punishment.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

See its like if you had a billion dollar ticket and you were in court and the judge said you had to pay it or take life in prison, you would be screwed. But if some one said here I paid the price you can go if you accept it. I did this because I love you so much.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


I tell you these things because I love you!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What a sad time we live in, God fearing men are so few. Do you not understand that he is there? If there were a painting that means there is a painter, if there is a building that means there an architect. If there is an earth that means there must be a creator. Rather it’s how complex our reproduction system is or to our earth how it’s in the perfect position for life and how it all works. Heres an example of what im talking about, You have an eye that has 137-million light-sensitive cells. If a camera lens can't come together without a designer, neither can your eye.

Um, no. Little thing called evolution by natural selection.

BTW, intelligent design IS NOT SCIENCE and was shot to pieces in a court of law two years ago:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/

"But the judge said: “We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom.”

The disclaimer, he said, "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere." "

Your vapid metaphors don't blind me to the truth that there is no benevolent God who cares what you and I do. To think that there is a creator who watches over every single human being's actions and then judges them after their death is both absurdly self-centred and arrogant. How the Universe started I do not know, but I do know that the earth is more than 6000 years old and the Bible is NOT a literal document.

The Bible is a great book - it lays down a code of conduct, which, if followed, enables human beings to get along and live good and productive lives. However, it IS NOT FACT. It's not even what it was when it was written - it has been re-written by thousands of people since the original text was laid down.

I have no objection to faith. If you have faith, good on you, I hope it serves you well. But don't tell me that the Bible is FACT and TRUTH and a LITERAL DOCUMENT, because that insults my belief system which is REASON.

Bible literalists make me sick.

[jaffies]

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I thought this was the 'Spurswoman' thread

[peewee's lovechild]

If your an atheist and choose not to accept Christ then so be it, but you dont have to troll mocking faith. Your weak and it shows. How dare you and all of these people talk like your better? Who are yall to say these things?

By the way, Jesus says there is no one good but God and in the Bible is says we are as dirty as unclean rags. It states many times that we are not saved by works or going to church or what not. We are very much sinners and we are only made righteous through Christ. He lived a sin free life to be put on the cross. See we are all going to hell and we put our selves there not God. We sin and fall short of the glory of God. But since God the son ( Jesus Christ) came down and died on the cross, he took our punishment.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

See its like if you had a billion dollar ticket and you were in court and the judge said you had to pay it or take life in prison, you would be screwed. But if some one said here I paid the price you can go if you accept it. I did this because I love you so much.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


I tell you these things because I love you!


I don't love you.

And, tell your God to stop killing people.

It's so not cool.

[peewee's lovechild]

Funny how God is selective with who he likes.

He supposedly loves everyone, but yet, he lets everyone kill in his name.

theroc5, go to church and stop trying to save our supposed damned souls.

[theroc5]

I don't love you.

And, tell your God to stop killing people.

It's so not cool.
I still love you bro, and I think you need to get your theo right. Please man, theres a lot more to look into then what you know. Theres so much proof and everything yet we as a people do not want to accept it. Why? Its called pride and being Lazy.

[Soul_Patch]

This thread is infested with THE BEAST!


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The idea of God has caused more trouble unfortunately than it has solved. It is a shame really, but all too true.


im neither religious or anti religious...i am anti fundamentalist though...be it christian, muslim or otherwise.

[theroc5]

Funny how God is selective with who he likes.

He supposedly loves everyone, but yet, he lets everyone kill in his name.

theroc5, go to church and stop trying to save our supposed damned souls.
"For God so loved the world"...There for he does love every one and he died for every one. Look at Jesus( yeshua) and his life. He did not kill one person. He did not harm one person. The most anger he showed was when he threw some stuff around a temple b/c people were trying to make money out of it. I dont think that God enjoys people dying. Jesus, God in the flesh, could have called down millions of angels to attack the people who were hurting him but the King of Kings was to faithful. I mean the king of the world, the God of everything loved us so much that he did what he did.

Oh and why are you so mad at something you dont believe is there? You seem so angry and such with God yet you dont believe he is there. Well I know he is there and I think deep in your heart that you know he is there. All Im saying is that he has given us so much, salvation, creation ect..he just calls us to fellowship and glorify his name. Im called to witness his gospel and in real life and or on the computer im going to do it. I will stop at nothing and I know millions of people who feel the same way.

[theroc5]

This thread is infested with THE BEAST!


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The idea of God has caused more trouble unfortunately than it has solved. It is a shame really, but all too true.


im neither religious or anti religious...i am anti fundamentalist though...be it christian, muslim or otherwise.
Why? How can you disprove so many of the prophecies that have been predicted in the Bible? how can you say even though Jesus full filled those 300 prophecies that he cant be God. He cant be the son, the messiah?
We all fall short do we not? God's standard is so high that he says if you lust after a women that you commit adultery with her in your heart. He says if you hate a person that you commit murder with them in your heart. And im assuming you have lied before, there for you are a liar. So we are all lie'n , murderous, adulteryers( i know thats not spelled right) right? And God says if you brake one of the commandments then you brake all of them. And in the Bible it says all liars, thieves, perverts ect..will all have there part in the lake of fire. So we would be damned. But For God so loved the World he gave his only son , that who ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. (John 3:16)
For if you confess that Jesus is lord and believe that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. (romans 10:9) We are saved by love and grace. We then are baptized by the Holy Spirit!

I'm a proud fundamentalist. When the Bible speaks in literal it means literal. All the prophecies that were ment in literal sense came true in literal means.

[theroc5]

Dang, where are all the Christians at? I would figure there would be a few more then this at Spurs talk.

[Soul_Patch]

Hey i respect your beliefs and i think the bible is a great book of very good stories. I have SOOO Much more to say on the subject but between building some websites today / meetings / and keeping up with the "whats on your ipod" thead i dont have the time right now.


keep on preachin it though...i respect someone who stands firm in their convictions, so i expect to be respected back :) (not that you have disrespected me)

[theroc5]

Hey i respect your beliefs and i think the bible is a great book of very good stories. I have SOOO Much more to say on the subject but between building some websites today / meetings / and keeping up with the "whats on your ipod" thead i dont have the time right now.


keep on preachin it though...i respect someone who stands firm in their convictions, so i expect to be respected back :) (not that you have disrespected me)
lol, yes I hope I havent disrepected you! I hope you take time as well and really make sure you know and or understand the true Gospel! People often think that God loves certian people more or that we are saved by going to church and being religious when thats not it at all. So yep, I look foward to your future responses on this topic!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I definitely believe in God, and spiritual power. It's very real. There are forces at work greater than anything our little human brains can wrap our little minds around.

I agree, though, that you have to be careful in how you interpret the Bible due to the human element involved not only in the original text but in the translations that have occurred throughout the years. I can understand how a lot of people are turned off by those who take the Bible too literally.

I think the Bible has replaced true spirituality for a lot of people and I think this only reinforces disbelief in those who can't find truth or guidance in the Bible's teachings. I believe the Bible was meant to reinforce people's personal spirtuality, but many of us make it our only basis for spirituality. Rather than praying and meditating, being guided by spirit and then reinforcing those spiritual teachings with Bible readings, most people will sit in a church or bible study and let people interpret Bible verses to them as a basis for their faith.

If more people could tap into true spiritism they would see and feel for themselves that there is a higher power involved. Evolution is simply God's hand at work. It's as ridiculous to think that everything in the universe happened by accident as it is to say that the earth and everything on it was created in six days. Science is constantly disproving it's own theories on the universe and on evolution. Human beings understanding of the universe is still in its infancy. As science continues to evolve and discover the "why" of the universe, I'm sure all will realize that there were spiritual forces at work, running the show the entire time.

That's my two cents on the subject.

[Summers]

I can understand how a lot of people are turned off by those who take the Bible too literally.

I think the Bible has replaced true spirituality for a lot of people

I agree with this. I also think a lot of fundamentalist Christians go through the motions of being a "good Christian" and forget the point of spirituality.

And Theroc5, what 300 fulfilled prophecies are you talking about? I respectfully disagree with your assertion.

[Soul_Patch]

Basically my beliefs can be summed up by saying Nature is the Law. I believe in Science most of all. And i believe Science would say that a "god" is not necessarily provable.


but then again, who made science...


Sort of like a phrase repeated in an old song i used to listen to back in my "drug hazed" days.


Its inconceivable to think that time had a begining, but it is equally inconcievable to think that it didn't.


so in short...who the hell knows. I know Science and Nature can prove to me how certain things happen, if there is anything bigger than that, ill wait and see i suppose.


Good thing about it is, if i just live by what i feel is morally correct, i think ill do ok, even if there is an afterlife. No church or man that ordained himself closer to god than i is going to change that.

I also have a very strong disdain for organized religion. I believe that it takes a weak will to have to rely on a religion to give yourself a feeling of self purpose and worth.

enjoy your life, be a good person, and let "god" do the rest, if it is to be. My wife, who is fairly religious, made me think of a very good point recently. And that is, why not believe? If it isnt true, well it isnt true, and you will find out when you die...but why not give yourself that comfort of faith...good point really...beacause to be quite honest...im scared of death...but with that viewpoint...beleif...its a little less scary now isnt it?



thats just randomness...i have a few decent books that really do a lot to state my place better than i.

Its

[theroc5]

Basically my beliefs can be summed up by saying Nature is the Law. I believe in Science most of all. And i believe Science would say that a "god" is not necessarily provable.


but then again, who made science...


Sort of like a phrase repeated in an old song i used to listen to back in my "drug hazed" days.


Its in conceivable to think that time had a begining, but it is equally inconcievable to think that it didn't.


so in short...who the hell knows. I know Science and Nature can prove to me how certain things happen, if there is anything bigger than that, ill wait and see i suppose.


Good thing about it is, if i just live by what i feel is morally correct, i think ill do ok, even if there is an afterlife. No church or man that ordained himself closer to god than i is going to change that.

I also have a very strong disdain for organized religion. I believe that it takes a weak will to have to rely on a religion to give yourself a feeling of self purpose and worth.

enjoy your life, be a good person, and let "god" do the rest, if it is to be.



thats just randomness...i have a few decent books that really do a lot to state my place better than i.

Its
But if God says no man is good and nothing is good but him, then we cant be a good person. If as he says we are as dirty as unclean rags then we arent good right? Like ive said earlyer, God says all liars, theives, murderers ect. wil have there part in the lake of fire. He says we all fall short.
Have you lusted? Then to him you have commited adultery, have you hated? b/c to him you have commited murder. Have you lied? Then your a liar. Doesnt matter how many times you lied, if you lied then your a liar. How many murders does it take to be called a murderer? See my point? Were not good at all. God knew that, so thats Why Jesus did what he did on the cross.

[theroc5]

Also I just thought I would put this out there...
We have a lot of the original scrolls, dead sea scrolls ect. It all basically states the same thing. Just thought I'd share that!

[Soul_Patch]

But if God says no man is good and nothing is good but him, then we cant be a good person. If as he says we are as dirty as unclean rags then we arent good right? Like ive said earlyer, God says all liars, theives, murderers ect. wil have there part in the lake of fire. He says we all fall short.
Have you lusted? Then to him you have commited adultery, have you hated? b/c to him you have commited murder. Have you lied? Then your a liar. Doesnt matter how many times you lied, if you lied then your a liar. How many murders does it take to be called a murderer? See my point? Were not good at all. God knew that, so thats Why Jesus did what he did on the cross.



In my opinion these thoughts and ideas are construed by man over many MANY years to put fear into people to conform and be scared to act as an individual. It was a method of control used by the educated, to keep control of the uneducated.

These are the kind of confounds i dislike and do not agree with. I think if there is a god persay, there should be no reason to fear it, nor do i believe it would be that judgemental.

[Soul_Patch]

That is also why i think the bible should never ever be taken literal, as it was written by man...


i personally think of it as a book of fables used to guide generations morals. Sure there were probably all these people, but their divinity isnt proven, and for all we know, they have nothing to do with real christianity.

[theroc5]

I agree with this. I also think a lot of fundamentalist Christians go through the motions of being a "good Christian" and forget the point of spirituality.

And Theroc5, what 300 fulfilled prophecies are you talking about? I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
:) Hey! Yes the 300 fulfilled prophecies I speak of are the over 300 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled on who the messiah would be. See in the Old Testament there were over 300 prophecies (predictions) on who the messiah (savior) would be. This was written hundreds of years before Jesus. These prophecies were such as He would be in davids blood line. Be born In Bethlehem. Speak in parables. Missions will include Gentiles. Will be pierced in the side. Theres a certain time period that it has to be in ect....Theres over 300 of these types of predictions that Jesus Fulfilled!

Oh and I respectively disagree. Christian fundamentalist pray, reflect on God as much as the next guy. Its just we use the Bible as the word of God.

[theroc5]

Example
Messiah would...
1. Be Born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2
( “ But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”)

2. A King on Donkey Zechariah 9:9
( “ Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.)

3. Betrayed for 30 Pieces of Silver....Zech 11:12
( Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.)

4. Temple Potter ect...Zech 11:13 (And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD for the potter.)

5. He will have wounds in his hands Zech 13:6( And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’[a] Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’)

6. He would have no defense yet be innocent Isaiah 53:7
( He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.)

7. Died with the wicked yet buried with the rich Isaiah 53:9
(And they[a] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.)

8. Be Crucified Psalms 22:16
(For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced[a] My hands and My feet

Chances of this happening to one person is 1:10,000
over
1:10 to the 28
NOW THINK ABOUT 300 prophecies...what are the chances?

[Soul_Patch]

we use the Bible as the word of God.

I believe this is where you guys fall short.


I have a good friend who i worked with previously She would also consider herself "christian fundamentalist" Her and i are soooo much different it is amazing that we are such good friends.

[Soul_Patch]

hell you might be her...haha for all i know.

[theroc5]

That is also why i think the bible should never ever be taken literal, as it was written by man...


i personally think of it as a book of fables used to guide generations morals. Sure there were probably all these people, but their divinity isnt proven, and for all we know, they have nothing to do with real christianity.
Its like this...We write through a pen to the paper right? God uses us as instruments to write his word. You can tell that it is the word of God after you examine the Prophecies, History, lack of contradictions ect. Not to mention that the Bible was written by 40 different people over periods of time yet it remains so cohesive and states the same thing.

2 TIMOTHY 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

[dallaskd]

You may not know all the answers and you never will. You just gotta have faith. You dont have to question everything.

[Soul_Patch]

You may not know all the answers and you never will. You just gotta have faith. You dont have to question everything.



Very good quote, and one i have really tried to live by lately. It doesnt really do any harm to just have faith.

[theroc5]

In my opinion these thoughts and ideas are construed by man over many MANY years to put fear into people to conform and be scared to act as an individual. It was a method of control used by the educated, to keep control of the uneducated.

These are the kind of confounds i dislike and do not agree with. I think if there is a god persay, there should be no reason to fear it, nor do i believe it would be that judgemental.
again if it were written by men then how could all of the prophecies come into place and come true. How could 40 different writters be so cohesive? How could its predicitons of the final days start looking like what we see on the news everyday? I'd much rather put my faith in this then the fable of people writting stories so people will act good.

[theroc5]

hell you might be her...haha for all i know.
nope ima dude lol

[Soul_Patch]

again if it were written by men then how could all of the prophecies come into place and come true. How could 40 different writters be so cohesive? How could its predicitons of the final days start looking like what we see on the news everyday? I'd much rather put my faith in this then the fable of people writting stories so people will act good.



If you make a broad enough statement, it is bound to become the truth eventually.


If i said, within a fortnight bluesky will become black!


then all the sudden there was a rain storm one day...would i be a prohpet? or would i just be some guy stating the obvious?

[theroc5]

One more time I will say this but I just wana make sure every one is clear on it.
We are sinners as you can see from the previous conversations that we all fall short. We send our selves to hell b/c we are law brakers and we are not good. We all lie, steal, cheat, lust ect. So we need a savior. the bible gave over 300 prophecies on who that savior would be in the old testament. Jesus fulfilled all of them. He was put on the cross fully human yet fully God and died for our sins to rise 3 days later. He conquerd sin and death. And we are made good through him. And that If you confess that Jesus is lord and believe that God raised him from the dead you will be saved(romans 10:9)
We then are baptized by the Holy Spirit and if we truly did this we will crave his word and to praise him. We then will be fruitful.

Ok now that I got that clear I think im going to finally go work out lol Ive been caught up with so many threads here and bigsoccer.com that I forgot I was supposed to be at the gym 3 hrs ago.LOL
Oh and my I suggest everyone check out wayofthemaster.com (kirk cameron)

Thanks for listening or reading lol

[theroc5]

If you make a broad enough statement, it is bound to become the truth eventually.


If i said, within a fortnight bluesky will become black!


then all the sudden there was a rain storm one day...would i be a prohpet? or would i just be some guy stating the obvious?
Be Born in Bethlehem, be in davids blood line, Be Crucified (there was no crucifiction when this was wrote), he had to be in a certian blood line ect...these dont sound to broad to me.

[Soul_Patch]

except that how many people were named david back then?

[theroc5]

except that how many people were named david back then?
I think what would be a better question to ask is how many Kings named david that ruled Israel are there back then?

He was a descendant from David's lineage.... Mary was the daugther of Heli who was a descendant of Nathan the son of David. Joseph was the son of Jacob, who was a descendant of Solomon... the son of David... there is purity in this lineage...

[Mr. Peabody]

Be Born in Bethlehem, be in davids blood line, Be Crucified (there was no crucifiction when this was wrote), he had to be in a certian blood line ect...these dont sound to broad to me.

Wasn't he in David's bloodline through Joseph though? Does this really count?

[theroc5]

Wasn't he in David's bloodline through Joseph though? Does this really count?
He was a descendant from David's lineage.... Mary was the daugther of Heli who was a descendant of Nathan the son of David. Joseph was the son of Jacob, who was a descendant of Solomon... the son of David... there is purity in this lineage...


This is what my friend had to say...
It's important to know that Jesus decended through Mary's line because she was of the line of David thru, "Nathan". If Joseph had been his natural/biological father He would have been disqualified because Joseph was decended from David through Solomon, whose line was disqualified because of the "Jeconian" curse. Thus, Mary being a Virgin and Jesus being conceived through the Holy Spirit; He was eligible for the throne of David.

[clambake]

adam and eve

[Soul_Patch]

Once upon a time
When the world was just a pancake
Fears would arise
That if you went too far, you'd fall

But with the
Passage of time
It all became more of a ball
We're as sure of that
As we all once were when the world was flat

So I wonder this
As life billows smoke inside my head
This little game
Where nothing is sure (oh)

Why would you play by the rules?
Who did, you did, you
Who did, you did, you

When was it killed
The very last dodo bird
And was she aware
She was the very last one

So I wonder this
As life billows smoke inside my head
This little game
Where nothing is sure (oh)

Why would you play by the rules?
Who did, you did, you
Who did, you did, you
You say who did, you did, you

If all the things that you are saying now
Were true enough but still what is all the worrying about
We can work it out
We can work it out
Oh I wonder this
As life billows smoke inside my head
This little game
Where nothing is sure (oh)

Why would you play by the rules?
Who did, you did, you
Who did, you did, you
You say who did, you did, you


Great Song and Lyrics Roc...i think you should have a listen and maybe take it to heart?

[peewee's lovechild]

In the words of the great John Lennon:

"God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain.

I'll say it again,
God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain."

[Emo Jesus]

My dad is so mean. First I ask him if I can borrow his car to take this girl to the Spring Formal and he says no. I didn't cut the grass when I asked. Then he took away my ipod because my grades were slipping. And to top it all off he has me nailed to a cross. He is a dick.

I'm gonna go listen to Deathcab for Cutie and think about cutting myself again.

[peewee's lovechild]

My dad is so mean. First I ask him if I can borrow his car to take this girl to the Spring Formal and he says no. I didn't cut the grass when I asked. Then he took away my ipod because my grades were slipping. And to top it all off he has me nailed to a cross. He is a dick.

I'm gonna go listen to Deathcab for Cutie and think about cutting myself again.

He's a bastard!!!

He wouldn't even lend you his fucking car????

God damn!!
He sent you to die and he won't even lend you his mother fucking car???

God's going to hell in a handbasket.

[theroc5]

In the words of the great John Lennon:

"God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain.

I'll say it again,
God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain."
a women lost all of her kids and husband, she still believes and has the same faith as a man that has everything in the world that any one would want. So unless im missing the point that theory is wrong. Sorry again if I dont quite understand it.
Besides, this is what one man says about life and God. I'd rather much trust a book that has done whats its done and like I said earlyer, No book has been so cohesive over the time, no book has had the history, no book has predicted all of which the Bible has to the detial as it has and been right ever time, no book has changed as many lives as THE HOLY BIBLE.
Eternity is for ever and I know where I will be going..do you?

[theroc5]

He's a bastard!!!

He wouldn't even lend you his fucking car????

God damn!!
He sent you to die and he won't even lend you his mother fucking car???

God's going to hell in a handbasket.
I still care for your salvation and every one else who hasnt accepted Christ I am done with this thread though. I feel every one has said what they needed to say. I pray that every one will find truth. If anyone really has any questions or Real Comments please feel free to myspace me or message me here.
Jesus Bless!

[theroc5]

He's a bastard!!!

He wouldn't even lend you his fucking car????

God damn!!
He sent you to die and he won't even lend you his mother fucking car???

God's going to hell in a handbasket.
again,you seem to have a lot of hate towards something you dont even belive exists.

[Soul_Patch]

take care theroc5 -- good luck

[Soul_Patch]

emo jesus is pretty damn funny.

[peewee's lovechild]

a women lost all of her kids and husband, she still believes and has the same faith as a man that has everything in the world that any one would want. So unless im missing the point that theory is wrong. Sorry again if I dont quite understand it.
Besides, this is what one man says about life and God. I'd rather much trust a book that has done whats its done and like I said earlyer, No book has been so cohesive over the time, no book has had the history, no book has predicted all of which the Bible has to the detial as it has and been right ever time, no book has changed as many lives as THE HOLY BIBLE.
Eternity is for ever and I know where I will be going..do you?

That's the point.
You believe in God because you are "afraid" of what will happen after death.

Belief in God is based on fear, pain, and the unknowing.

I for one don't fear what comes next.

I don't believe in this bullshit eternity.

I believe in science.
When I die, I will breakdown into tiny molecules that will spread out to the rest of the universe and converge to create something new.

So, in a sense, I will live forever . . . it just won't be in this ludicrus Heaven or Hell.

[peewee's lovechild]

emo jesus is pretty damn funny.

Emo Jesus is the shit.

[Emo Jesus]

I'm glad you people seem to like me. I don't have many friends. Nobody really seems to understand me.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm glad you people seem to like me. I don't have many friends. Nobody really seems to understand me.

I don't like you.

But, I hate your dad . . . . so that, in turn, makes you all right.

[Emo Jesus]

One time my dad caught me smoking a cigerette when we was picking me up from the My Chemical Romance concert and he was so pissed. I was like, what the hell? It's my body I can do what I want with it.

[peewee's lovechild]

One time my dad caught me smoking a cigerette when we was picking me up from the My Chemical Romance concert and he was so pissed. I was like, what the hell? It's my body I can do what I want with it.

Can you blow smoke through the open wounds on your hands?

[Emo Jesus]

They closed up with that whole "ressurection" thing. I try to open them back up whenever I'm depressed.

[peewee's lovechild]

Hey, Emo . . . what ever happened to the 12 other fags you used to hang with??

[Emo Jesus]

They all got girlfriends and now they don't even call me anymore. Peter sent me a text the other day but he just wanted me to make some wine for him and his girl. He was just trying to use me so he can get his girlfriend drunk and have sex with her. He's such a loser.

[peewee's lovechild]

They all got girlfriends and now they don't even call me anymore. Peter sent me a text the other day but he just wanted me to make some wine for him and his girl. He was just trying to use me so he can get his girlfriend drunk and have sex with her. He's such a loser.

That's sucks man.

I can't believe they dumped your ass.

I mean, you used to take it up the ass from all 12 of them.

Now they've turned their backs on you . . .

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I hope you all don't suffer too much working off all this great karma you're creating for yourselves.

[theroc5]

I ran across this so one more thing...really lol
http://wayofthemaster.com/goodperson.shtml

[ashbeeigh]

That's the point.
You believe in God because you are "afraid" of what will happen after death.

Belief in God is based on fear, pain, and the unknowing.

I for one don't fear what comes next.

I don't believe in this bullshit eternity.

I believe in science.
When I die, I will breakdown into tiny molecules that will spread out to the rest of the universe and converge to create something new.

So, in a sense, I will live forever . . . it just won't be in this ludicrus Heaven or Hell.


Wow. You're so wrong. That very idea came up in worship tonight.

No one knows what happens after death. As Christians we choose to believe in a higher power, a higher place, and a higher purpose, not a fear. Or at least that's how I choose to see it. I don't fear anything. I cannot, as a Christian, wait for the day that I die, for whatever reason it is, to see God, Jesus, and all that other spiritual crap that you claim some Christians are "afraid of" and to finally breathe a sigh of relief because I will have finally arrived in his kingdom, not ours.

A lot of people know I moved to Dallas for the summer to work with kids in the inner city, what y'all don't know is that it's a church sponsored program. I see God, His will, and the way working every single day, and I will challenge each and every one of you non-believers to come up to 547 East Jefferson Blvd from tomorrow to August 8th to see the proof. There are more then 1100 children you can see these workings through.



And go.

[Emo Jesus]

Nobody understands me. :depressed

[peewee's lovechild]

I cannot, as a Christian, wait for the day that I die, for whatever reason it is, to see God, Jesus, and all that other spiritual crap that you claim some Christians are "afraid of" and to finally breathe a sigh of relief because I will have finally arrived in his kingdom, not ours.



You know, fundamentalist Muslims feel the same way. And, they strap bombs to their chest to make it happen.

[peewee's lovechild]

A lot of people know I moved to Dallas for the summer to work with kids in the inner city, what y'all don't know is that it's a church sponsored program. I see God, His will, and the way working every single day, and I will challenge each and every one of you non-believers to come up to 547 East Jefferson Blvd from tomorrow to August 8th to see the proof. There are more then 1100 children you can see these workings through.



Can you see god's will in Iraq? Iran? Ethiopia? Sudan? Somalia? China? Afganistan?

Is it because they're not Christian?

If that's the case, God's pretty selective on who he likes.

You have the ability to praise god because you live in a nation that provides a level of living that is beyond and above most. I wonder how far Christian faith goes in the aforementioned countries?

[peewee's lovechild]

Nobody understands me. :depressed

Who understands a kid that let's his dad send him to get killed?

[ashbeeigh]

You know, fundamentalist Muslims feel the same way. And, they strap bombs to their chest to make it happen.

True, the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths are all Abhramic in their roots and their parallels are valid. But, they also believe their going to be greeted by three virgins and palm trees. And the fundamentalists are a small group of the Islamic faith. If you're going to judge a whole faith based on that small percentage you have a lot more problems than just being an atheist.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Basically my beliefs can be summed up by saying Nature is the Law. I believe in Science most of all. And i believe Science would say that a "god" is not necessarily provable.


but then again, who made science...

Please don't compare science and religion - they are anathema to one another.

The scientific method is about observable phenomena, whereas religion is about the exact opposite - faith, belief without observation. That is why I have a problem with Bible literalism - there are a million observable phenomena which prove that the world is not as the Bible contends it is (ie. 6000 years old, the Great Flood, etc).

Also, Bible literalism is tending towards fundamentalism - it leaves no room for reasonable human judgement because the Bible must then be interpreted as a literal text rather than the moral guide that it is.

Have your faith, whatever it may be, but to tell me as a scientists that the Bible is literal and not a metaphorical, religious and philosophical text insults my intelligence.

[midgetonadonkey]

I like how everybody has the answers.

[peewee's lovechild]

True, the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths are all Abhramic in their roots and their parallels are valid. But, they also believe their going to be greeted by three virgins and palm trees. And the fundamentalists are a small group of the Islamic faith. If you're going to judge a whole faith based on that small percentage you have a lot more problems than just being an atheist.

Lame.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I hope you all don't suffer too much working off all this great karma you're creating for yourselves.

Why should it matter? Karma is a Buddhist/Toaist concept, so that would make it heathen, right? :rolleyes

[ashbeeigh]

Can you see god's will in Iraq? Iran? Ethiopia? Sudan? Somalia? China? Afganistan?

Is it because they're not Christian?

If that's the case, God's pretty selective on who he likes.

You have the ability to praise god because you live in a nation that provides a level of living that is beyond and above most. I wonder how far Christian faith goes in the aforementioned countries?

There are people all over the world helping these people, spreading their word. You're choosing to see things through a jaded eye.


8 Missionary Groups in Ethiopia (http://www.bgcworld.org/cplantin/ethiop.htm)

Hudson English Missionary-English Missions in China (http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/biotaylor4.html)

Missionary Work in Iraq (from Time) (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,443800,00.html)
Global UMC Missions (http://gbgm-umc.org/country_profiles/index.cfm)

Global Ministries in Afganistan (http://www.globalministries.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=58&Itemid=30)

Global Missions UMC Sudan (http://gbgm-umc.org/country_profiles/country_mission_profile.cfm?Id=154)

I couldn't find one for Iran, my bad.

And as far as praising God in different languages and countries, I just dare you to look at every single one of those links throughly and in depth and get back to me. If you really understood Christianity you would understand that believing isn't just a happy time thing, it's a sad time thing. When you're in a tough position, as these people are, they give it up to God, they know they are supposed to be there for a reason, if they understand things correctly. (As I see it). They use their experiences for the good, not for the bad. Being Christian isn't about fearing and being selective. God doesn't love or hate based on where you live. Just because you have less food or less whatever doesn't mean you don't have as much faith as I do. One starving child in Africa has as much love of Jesus, even this crazy Emo Jesus, as I do. No one is more or less than in a Christian community.

And while I'm at this point, it would be fair to make the comparison with what I do on a daily basis. These children come from a community of 97% poverty. Would you call that a selective community or environment? Some of my kids have two, count them, two t-shirts and one pair of pants. There's nothing I can do about it because I work at a non-profit and am in 48,000 of debt because of school. These kids are also "at-risk". Some of them come in big clusters and some are even abused, neglected, and mentally challenged. What I do, as a Christian is show them unconditional love, the same type of love God and his son would show them. How can you argue with that?

[ashbeeigh]

Lame.

So, explain to me how there aren't any parallels, please. I'd like to hear your opinion.

[midgetonadonkey]

Why should Christians push their beliefs on others? They make it seem like their way is the only way. That's bullshit.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Riddle me this - why are the Christians the right ones? Well before Christianity there was Buddhism, Hinduism, Toaism, the Greek and Roman pantheons - why does Christianity usurp all of those belief systems? Why is Christianity the RIGHT one? Because you believe it, that's why, no other reason.

Religion is a very clever way of controlling human behaviour. People need something to live for, so give them something they can neither prove nor disprove then tell the way they behave will affect their afterlife. Surprise, surprise, most people are scared shitless by that idea and will do whatever they are told, whether it be go on a Holy war, hunt down witches or give up 10% of their income.

As I have said time and again, I have no objection to anyone else having faith, but I don't, I'd rather rely on my reason. And if God/the Gods, whatever faith they may belong to, want to send me to "Hell" for being true to my own conscience, then what sort of Deities are they??? Vengeful, petty ones I say, if they'd rather I sacrifice my integrity and lie that i believe something I don't.

Answer that, roc5.

[ashbeeigh]

Why should Christians push their beliefs on others? They make it seem like their way is the only way. That's bullshit.

I wasn't pushing ideas (as I see it, maybe others were). I was trying to understand his. If I can see his point of view I will let it be.

[peewee's lovechild]

Christians have killed more people throughout History than all the empires combined . . . or very close to it.

There is so much blood running through Christian hands.
And, now that they have it good they want to get all righteous.

Whatever.

Last I heard, SpursTalk isn't a church.
So, take your propaganda to someone who gives a shit.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Notice also that roc5 completely ignored my post about the load of crap that is "intelligent design" (proven to be a sham and in no way scientific in a court of law), and the multitudes of evidence that prove that the earth is billions of years old.

I bet his answer would be "God put that there to test your faith". So, God gave us minds to inquire, the tools to test our inquiry, then set down a natural world which is clearly billions of years old (all you need to know that is geology, although you can add the fossil record, phylogenetics and astronomy if you want more evidence) to trick us, to see who would still have faith even when their reason contradicted it. Does that make sense to anyone

[peewee's lovechild]

Notice also that roc5 completely ignored my post about the load of crap that is "intelligent design" (proven to be a sham and in no way scientific in a court of law), and the multitudes of evidence that prove that the earth is billions of years old.

I bet his answer would be "God put that there to test your faith". So, God gave us minds to inquire, the tools to test our inquiry, then set down a natural world which is clearly billions of years old (all you need to know that is geology, although you can add the fossil record, phylogenetics and astronomy if you want more evidence) to trick us, to see who would still have faith even when their reason contradicted it. Does that make sense to anyone

Not at all.

[ashbeeigh]

Christians have killed more people throughout History than all the empires combined . . . or very close to it.

There is so much blood running through Christian hands.
And, now that they have it good they want to get all righteous.

Whatever.

Last I heard, SpursTalk isn't a church.
So, take your propaganda to someone who gives a shit.

I will not disagree with the bloodshed, but look at all the blood the other religions have shed as well. They're all pretty bloody. The key to any religion is ministry and outreach. That sometimes is done through war. So, even if you're talking about present day causalities, or ancient causalities it's a part of religion, which, RNR mentioned is needed because people need something to help explain the world, whether it is the truth, the way, or the purpose. It'll always be there. Or if there is another higher being that isn't Christian. There's something there a lot of people think of.

And what the fuck do you call the fighting in Israel right now? Seriously? Answer that.

This is the first time in a really, really, really long time religion came up, and you were the one that started the thread so next time you want to bring it up, think before you click "Post New Thread."

[midgetonadonkey]

And what the fuck do you call the fighting in Israel right now? Seriously? Answer that.

You are a sinner young lady!!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Christians have killed more people throughout History than all the empires combined . . . or very close to it.

There is so much blood running through Christian hands.
And, now that they have it good they want to get all righteous.

Whatever.

Last I heard, SpursTalk isn't a church.
So, take your propaganda to someone who gives a shit.

Ain't that the truth. Since AD, Christians have been the most bloodthirsty mofos on the planet. Read about the Crusades some time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

And just around the corner we have the holy war to end them all, the Final Crusade, the Christian vs Muslim conflict to end all conflicts... all over which book is the right book, which God the right God. WTF??? Who cares? Live and let live, each to his/her own I say. But you watch, WW III will start over a religious issue and that will be the end of the world (one dirty bomb in a US city and who doesn't think Iran would be on the end of more than a few ICBMs?).

The world is in deep shit, and fundamentalism on both sides is pushing us deeper...

[ashbeeigh]

You are a sinner young lady!!

Take your quattro talk outta here!

[Ronaldo McDonald]

why argue about the existence of god? all the dialogue ever amounts to is a giant mountain of air.

one thing i find interesting is that if God created man in his image than he must have a mirror somewhere.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I wasn't arguing about the existence of God, I was arguing about Bible literalism, but no-one ever seems to read my posts, so meh...

[ashbeeigh]

I wasn't arguing about the existence of God, I was arguing about Bible literalism, but no-one ever seems to read my posts, so meh...

Sorry about the misinterpretations. :D But, as for anything written, we're human..not "God-like" (if can say that in this thread) in that it's this way and only this way. Some Christians will say that, and I don't agree. I choose to interpret the Bible in one way and I know a lot of people that interpret it the same way I do. We come together to read it. If you believe in it another way that's fine. There's no right or wrong, in my opinion. Others will argue differently.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Sorry about the misinterpretations. :D But, as for anything written, we're human..not "God-like" (if can say that in this thread) in that it's this way and only this way. Some Christians will say that, and I don't agree. I choose to interpret the Bible in one way and I know a lot of people that interpret it the same way I do. We come together to read it. If you believe in it another way that's fine. There's no right or wrong, in my opinion. Others will argue differently.

That wasn't aimed at you Ashbeigh, it was for Ronaldo and aimed at roc5 who ignored every one of my posts.

I have argued that there is a wrong way to read the Bible, and that is to interpret it literally, and I stand by that. The planet/Universe is simply not six thousand years old, and Noah did not load all the animals on the Ark. The Bible is a bunch of parables and metaphors, and to interpret it literally is FUNDAMENTALIST (Muslim Fundamentalists interpret the Koran literally), DANGEROUS (literal reading leaves no room for interpretation), and UTTERLY MORONIC (given the abundant evidence to contradict a literal interpretation).

I hope the Bible and your faith brings you and your friends peace and hope, because the world needs more of both, but it needs less blind literalism (ie. fundamentalism).

[BeerIsGood!]

You know, this is the greatest mystery of all. Why are we here and how did we originate? Whis is our purpose? Is is as simplistic as a measly ant, to perform our duties until we expire, or is it for some higher purpose? This is a question that pops into my head from time to time, usually when there is a lull in activity and the brain returns back to the question that I wish I had figured out but see no way of doing so. Man, this one gets me in one of those mind blowing moments every time. I can see how religion reduced to it's fundamental core, to the ideal, can be very enlightening and true, but at the same time I see religion used as a tool by the empowered to manipulate the actions and beliefs of the masses. My mind tells me that if people like Bush, Bin Laden, Swaggert, etc. can and willingly use religion to manipulate then it's a definite given that many, many others have done the same throughout time and spanning all of civilization. It seems overwhelmingly obvious that every modern religion in it's current form is man-made and manipulated to the point of irrelevancy by self righteous men over the thousands of years they've been around. If there was any truth to them, anything divine in nature, it has been lost almost completely due to this manipulation. Is anything just? Are there truly consequences for actions outside of our man-made and man imposed consequences? Maybe there isn't and this world is a complete dog-eat-dog world where the cunning and manipulative reap the most rewards.

I don't know.

[peewee's lovechild]

I will not disagree with the bloodshed, but look at all the blood the other religions have shed as well. They're all pretty bloody. The key to any religion is ministry and outreach. That sometimes is done through war. So, even if you're talking about present day causalities, or ancient causalities it's a part of religion, which, RNR mentioned is needed because people need something to help explain the world, whether it is the truth, the way, or the purpose. It'll always be there. Or if there is another higher being that isn't Christian. There's something there a lot of people think of.

And what the fuck do you call the fighting in Israel right now? Seriously? Answer that.

This is the first time in a really, really, really long time religion came up, and you were the one that started the thread so next time you want to bring it up, think before you click "Post New Thread."

I started a thread on GOD, you know the troll.
We've been talking shit to each other for a while.
And, it's been fun.

You whacko Christians started with your bullshit.

Now, I'm just calling you out on your bullshit.

[peewee's lovechild]

And what the fuck do you call the fighting in Israel right now? Seriously? Answer that.



Typical fundamentalist Christian . . . all Jews are evil.

Fuck, how can you live with yourself thinking that only Christians will gain salvation??

You have a fucked up God.

By the way, why would you love god so much when he endowed you with a fucked up lazy eye??

[Soul_Patch]

I have argued that there is a wrong way to read the Bible, and that is to interpret it literally, and I stand by that. The planet/Universe is simply not six thousand years old, and Noah did not load all the animals on the Ark. The Bible is a bunch of parables and metaphors, and to interpret it literally is FUNDAMENTALIST (Muslim Fundamentalists interpret the Koran literally), DANGEROUS (literal reading leaves no room for interpretation), and UTTERLY MORONIC (given the abundant evidence to contradict a literal interpretation).


exactly my point earlier.

[xXx]

I started a thread on GOD, you know the troll.
We've been talking shit to each other for a while.
And, it's been fun.

You whacko Christians started with your bullshit.

Now, I'm just calling you out on your bullshit.


lovechild, you start a troll thread in the club and this is what you'll get. stop your crying.

[peewee's lovechild]

lovechild, you start a troll thread in the club and this is what you'll get. stop your crying.

Crying??

I started a bullshit thread and the purists take it over to make it into a holy rant and I'm crying??

STFU you 'tard.

That's like saying that I should be okay when I'm having a bullshit conversation with someone in the mall and some god-lover comes up to us to preach.

I'm supposed to be okay with that??
I'm supposed to be there and listen to that??

STFU and go post on some Christian website!!

[ashbeeigh]

Typical fundamentalist Christian . . . all Jews are evil.


The conflict in Israel may be heightened by the support a highly Christian populated country gives it, but read up peewee, the conflict is between the Jews and the Palestinians, not the Christians.

[clambake]

The conflict in Israel may be heightened by the support a highly Christian populated country gives it, but read up peewee, the conflict is between the Jews and the Palestinians, not the Christians.
Yeah, you dumbass. It's the christians against the muslims, ya dumbass.

Now, let us worship the Lord together. (how fucking vain is a God that needs the worship of pissant little nothings) Maybe it's a God that was created by man.

[Shelly]

Sometimes I think I already live in H.E. double hockey sticks

[xXx]

Sometimes I think I already live in H.E. double hockey sticks


really? with your doctor and your nice house and you audi and your loaded parents and your wonderful kids? what's so hellish? :wtf

[peewee's lovechild]

The conflict in Israel may be heightened by the support a highly Christian populated country gives it, but read up peewee, the conflict is between the Jews and the Palestinians, not the Christians.

The conflict in Israel goes waaaaaaay back . . . all the way back to the Crusades.

Do you know anything about the crusades??
Anything at all??

That's when stupid ass Christians thought God was telling them that they had to kill off the Muslims in the "Holy Land". So, they marched all the way to the "Holy Land" to kick some ass and to kill a Muslim here and there. Only, they got their asses handed to them. And, pretty bad.

But, being the true Christians they were (and because they couldn't stand the fact that they got their asses whooped by some other god's people) they figured they had to kick some other religious peoples' asses. So, after a while, the Christians believed that God was telling them that they had to kill Jews.

So, The Inquisition was born. And, millions of Jews were killed. It was easier to kill them because they didn't have an actual country. It was fun, but they got bored and decided that they had to up the game. So, Christians decided to war with each other. And, Europe was pretty much cut in half and war ensued for hundreds of years. Too many people died and it became an inconvenience. So, some of them quit. However, the Irish and the English still haven't quit the game. What are you gonna do, right?

Anyway, a whole "new world" was discovered and Christians found that it was easier to kill defenseless people in the name of God. So, the natives of the Americas were systematically killed in the name of God. Then, some people in Europe were getting tired of all this "God" stuff. They really just wanted to party, drink, and fuck. Problem was, that there were still some pretty uptight Christian whackos that wanted everyone to live a "pure" life, lest God destroy them for their heathen lifestyle.

So, England kicked out the uptight pricks and they landed in America. These Pricks . . . er, um, Purists started to colonize North America by killing Native Americans (both actively by just shooting their asses, and inactively by giving them the gifts of blankets covered in the smallpox virus). But, that was all okay because God wanted it so.

Anyway, fast forward to present day America and we have you, our little "ashbeeigh" (pronounced "ass bag"?) who is a decendent, in one way or another, of these uptight, purist Christian whackos.

And, if it came down to it, you'd probably kill heathens in the name of the all might God if you were asked to do it.

Seriously, you Christians are a violent group of people.

[Shelly]

really? with your doctor and your nice house and you audi and your loaded parents and your wonderful kids? what's so hellish? :wtf

yep...life's a bitch, ain't it?

[peewee's lovechild]

Sometimes I think I already live in H.E. double hockey sticks

Religion has made Hell On Earth possible.

I urge everyone to read:

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchins.

[peewee's lovechild]

really? with your doctor and your nice house and you audi and your loaded parents and your wonderful kids? what's so hellish? :wtf

Religious Fundamentalists

[ashbeeigh]

The conflict in Israel goes waaaaaaay back . . . all the way back to the Crusades.

Do you know anything about the crusades??
Anything at all??



Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier then that. Do you know what they're fighting over? They're fighting over the religious right to the city of Jeruselum. The city holds the temple for each religion and they both believe they have spiritual claim to it. The Crusades have nothing to do with the current status of Israel, which I was speaking of...in my humble opinion.

I'm sharing opinions here, you aren't changing mine, and you never will. I just hope you can someday see the differences in views. If you're going to be so gotdamn passionate about your side of the argument you need to understand my passion as well. I can't remember the exact passage, and if I ever can remember it I'll post it, but it's about saying and doing things 100% and not half assed. Obviously we both are going 100% in our arguments, even if I don't think your side is correct and you don't believe in mine, there's nothing to do about it. I'll just hope that one day you'll at least be able to see both sides of the argument, because I do.

[marini martini]

Kori, please make a seperate forum for religion. As my Daddy always said, "it's not polite to discuss religion or politics" Religion is such a highly personal thing, and I am deeply offended by this thread. Thanks :toast

[peewee's lovechild]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier then that. Do you know what they're fighting over? They're fighting over the religious right to the city of Jeruselum. The city holds the temple for each religion and they both believe they have spiritual claim to it. The Crusades have nothing to do with the current status of Israel, which I was speaking of...in my humble opinion.


Are you retarded, or does your lazy eye affect your reasoning as well as your sight??

The Jews and Muslims in Israel are still fighting for the right to Jerusalem. The path to peace in that area has always been for one of them to relinquish their right to Jerusalem. Jews never will because Jerusalem was the ancient capital of Israel. Muslims (palestinians) will never give up claim because Muhammad ascended onto heaven from Jerusalem.

Christians continue to put pressure on both sides becasue they lay claim to the land where Jesus roamed, especially Jerusalem where the Church of The Holy Sepulchre is at.

Sooooooooo, the religious conflict that embroiled the three religions thousands of years ago continues to this very day.

Just what the hell do they teach you in church??
Have an original thought and quit regergitating whatever your priest/pastor/minister/elder/little-boy-lover tells you to believe.

[peewee's lovechild]

I can't remember the exact passage, and if I ever can remember it I'll post it, but it's about saying and doing things 100% and not half assed.



You just half assed the quote.

[ashbeeigh]

You just half assed the quote.

hardy har har. It's Luke 9:57-62.



As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go."

Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

He said to another man, "Follow me."
But the man replied, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."

Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."

Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."

[marini martini]

Night, night, ya'll :toast

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

On the Crusades, I think it's quite ironic given the attitudes of modern Westerners towards Islam, that in the First Crusade, everyone in Jerusalem (Muslims and Jews mostly) was slaughtered after the Christians took it over, but when Saladin recaptured it a century later he let people go if they could pay a ransom, and only sold the others into slavery.

Saladin was a good guy. :lol

[peewee's lovechild]

On the Crusades, I think it's quite ironic given the attitudes of modern Westerners towards Islam, that in the First Crusade, everyone in Jerusalem (Muslims and Jews mostly) was slaughtered after the Christians took it over, but when Saladin recaptured it a century later he let people go if they could pay a ransom, and only sold the others into slavery.

Saladin was a good guy. :lol

Wow, someone who know's his history.

Yea, I agree.
Saladin was known as merciful and tolerant of the people he conquered.
He even let the Jews and Christians worship their own gods as long as they weren't seditious.

Christians however, god damn were they a violent bunch of fucks!!

[peewee's lovechild]

hardy har har. It's Luke 9:57-62.

I didn't realize that Jesus lectured about half assing.

Anyway, it took you that long to post that??

What, you had to go to your pastor's house and blow him for the info??

[Shelly]

20/20 is doing a show on Hell tonight.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3360678&page=1

The Fascination With Hell's Fury
Hell Has Played a Role Across Cultures and History, but What Does It Mean Today?
By ROB WALLACE and FARNAZ JAVID
July 11, 2007 —


Do you believe in hell? If you do, you're not the only one.

This afterlife for so-called sinners has fascinated society since the dawn of time. The very thought of the place inspired Dante to write his "Inferno," giving us history's most detailed description of the underworld.

Since then, artists from Michelangelo to Marilyn Manson have shaped our opinion of the infernal abyss. Most religious teachings describe hell as the netherworld anyone might end up in who strays from the straight and narrow. That view seems to be changing in this age of logic and political correctness.

Watch the full story on "20/20's" special "Hell: Our Fear and Fascination," Friday at 10 p.m. EDT

A decade ago, 56 percent of Americans polled said they believed in hell. After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the number shot up to 71 percent (polls conducted by Harris and Gallup), then fell in recent years, but this pattern is not a new phenomenon. Man's definition of the abyss has shifted since the dawn of humanity. And through it all, it seems the more sinister hell is made out to be, the more it is mocked and embraced. It is a surefire punch line on television and in movies, and it's used to market everything from comic books to chewing gum.


Hell's Lure
Hell can also be a seductive muse for all those fans of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. One of them, a kid from an Ohio Christian school named Brian Warner is today better known as Marilyn Manson. For more than a decade, he has made millions with his dark music and artwork, thrilling fans and provoking conservatives.

Manson said he's confident he'll end up in hell when he dies. Laughing, he said, "I am gonna say that it would probably be a more comfortable place for me, because everyone I know would be there, and I wouldn't really be allowed to do anything in heaven that would be any fun."

The possibility of going to hell may be attractive to Manson, but in the past, many held on to hopes that their enemies would spend eternity in its fiery grip.

Satan's realm grew more vivid through the harsh Middle Ages. Miriam Van Scott, who wrote "The Encyclopedia of Hell," said that is because peasant masses embraced the idea of heavenly relief and divine payback.

Hell, she continued, "was especially popular in the time when the lord or the king or the emperor could steal your daughter. He could sell your family away. So they really liked the idea of, 'OK, at some point you're gonna pay."


The Road to Hell ...
In modern times, who exactly is destined for damnation? Singer and songwriter Kurt Cobain asked that question in his song "Lake of Fire," and later committed suicide. A new ad for Orbit gum imagines the rock star in heaven, but most religions would send someone who took his own life to hell.

But in this age of science, Van Scott said people are moving away from that idea. "Hell is a little too medieval. It's a little too extreme," she said. "There have been so many horrible humanitarian disasters on sort of massive scales that it's very hard to imagine something worse."

That shift in thinking could one day end fear of eternal torture. Columbia University religion professor Alan Segal said, "Americans have been doing away with hell on a regular basis. We pretty much all think we're going to heaven."

Even the Vatican is modifying its position on where you could end up after death. For centuries, Catholics believed in a benign form of hell called limbo, a place reserved for unbaptized babies. But recently the pope let go of that idea altogether, leaving some wondering if the church, or all of humanity, could ever let go of hell entirely.


Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

[Spurminator]

Religion has made Hell On Earth possible.

I urge everyone to read:

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchins.


I'll check it out when I finish the latest Ann Coulter book.

[peewee's lovechild]

A decade ago, 56 percent of Americans polled said they believed in hell. After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the number shot up to 71 percent (polls conducted by Harris and Gallup), then fell in recent years, but this pattern is not a new phenomenon.




Like I said, fear is the reason most go to god. That's why the Republicans are so successful.



Even the Vatican is modifying its position on where you could end up after death. For centuries, Catholics believed in a benign form of hell called limbo, a place reserved for unbaptized babies. But recently the pope let go of that idea altogether, leaving some wondering if the church, or all of humanity, could ever let go of hell entirely.

According to Ed Helicopter Jones, science can't be trusted because it's "constantly re-writing itself". Funny that religion does too.

[Spurminator]

You know God can't make a circle square either?

It's true.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'll check it out when I finish the latest Ann Coulter book.

That bitch is hot, but she's fucking insane.

[peewee's lovechild]

You know God can't make a circle square either?

It's true.

It can be a hard thing to do, even for god.

But, if science were to ever find a way, I'm sure god would get credit.

[Spurminator]

That bitch is hot, but she's fucking insane.


Christopher Hitchens is smart but he lets his intellectual superiority complex combined with his hate for organized religion water down his logic and produce smug atheism-for-dummies books like "God is Not Great" which are lauded by anti-religion college students because it beefs up their sense of self-importance for rejecting a belief in something they don't see or fully understand.

[peewee's lovechild]

Christopher Hitchens is smart but he lets his intellectual superiority complex combined with his hate for organized religion water down his logic and produce smug atheism-for-dummies books like "God is Not Great" which are lauded by anti-religion college students because it beefs up their sense of self-importance for rejecting a belief in something they don't see or fully understand.

I'll agree that he's smug.
And, I hate some of his political viewpoints.

But, it's a pretty damn good book. It's a little broad and it's not meant as a cornerstone to atheism. It's basically an expose on religion and the negative, hateful, violent influence it's had over the centuries.

It's a good book. If you haven't read it yet, or read it completely, I would definitely recommend it.

It has even sold well in the bible belt.

[ashbeeigh]

dude peewee's lovechild...Shelly was just posting the article. It wasn't a discussion. You seriously need to find a place to vent your spiritual anger. You're more angry than Midge. Go take some prozac or something.

[peewee's lovechild]

dude peewee's lovechild...Shelly was just posting the article. It wasn't a discussion. You seriously need to find a place to vent your spiritual anger. You're more angry than Midge. Go take some prozac or something.

I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

How sad.

[ashbeeigh]

I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

How sad.

I'm not a confrontational person, peewee. I'm always answering your questions concisely, and without a snappy undertone. I wasn't defending "my God" one way or another with my previous statement. I don't understand why you're so angry about my beliefs. Go find another message board that has angry Christians to argue with. This is a "Spurs" message board. Not a "Religion" message board. I if it were a Religion message board I wouldn't be here. I get enough of that shit on a daily basis. So step the fuck off.

[SANANTOJAMES]

stupid

[John McClane]

I don't know God, but all of the fucks I've killed have met him for sure.

Yippie Ki-Yay Mother Fucker.

[Shelly]

I'm sure she posted it to prove a point, one way or another. So, what's your point?

Is your god so weak that he needs you to speak up for him all the time??

How sad.


I wasn't proving any point.

Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about Hell, I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.

[ElMuerto]

I wasn't proving any point.

Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about Hell, I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.

Thanks for the heads up.

[ElMuerto]

Religion has made Hell On Earth possible.

I urge everyone to read:

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchins.

:sleep If he only knew.

[Avitus1]

Using God as the reason why we have wars on the planet is pretty easy. More people have died in the name of God then for any other reason. Sad but true. Still if God wasn't the reason another reason would take its place. Primitive man killed one another to defend territory. Mankind will always have wars and violence and all of that junk not for the sake of God but because thats just how we are. If God wasn't the reason something else would suffice. The trick is tolerance, if people could learn to tolerate what others believe and not kill one another cause your God isn't as powerful as mine, or not start threads just to get people going back and fourth, though it has been amusing, then all would be as right as rain. Well as right as it could be, were only human after all.

[Tippecanoe]

sometimes, i envy Europe

[Avitus1]

sometimes, i envy Europe

You and me both.

[peewee's lovechild]

I wasn't proving any point.

Like Ashbeeigh said, I just posted it because I happened to see a commercial for 20/20 and since you don't really hear that much discussion about Hell, I thought maybe some people would like to watch the show.

Sorry about that Shelly, I misunderstood the post.

[DoubtingThomas]

sometimes, i envy Europe

I doubt you'd say that if you've been there.

Was there a few months ago. WTF is up with no air conditioning? And their teeth!! No thanks.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm not a confrontational person, peewee. I'm always answering your questions concisely, and without a snappy undertone. I wasn't defending "my God" one way or another with my previous statement. I don't understand why you're so angry about my beliefs. Go find another message board that has angry Christians to argue with. This is a "Spurs" message board. Not a "Religion" message board. I if it were a Religion message board I wouldn't be here. I get enough of that shit on a daily basis. So step the fuck off.

You and your Christian friends tried to take over this thread with your Christian propaganda. This thread was started as a thread for me and the troll "GOD" to talk shit to each other. We had been having fun doing that very same thing. It was all bullshit. Then, you guys started with a Christian discourse.

So, who were the angry ones.

All I did was to respond to you guys everytime you posted

If you "get enough of that shit ona daily basis", well then maybe you shouldn't be bringing it up. You could choose to turn the other way. But, that's just too hard for you to do, isn't it?

[peewee's lovechild]

Using God as the reason why we have wars on the planet is pretty easy. More people have died in the name of God then for any other reason. Sad but true. Still if God wasn't the reason another reason would take its place. Primitive man killed one another to defend territory. Mankind will always have wars and violence and all of that junk not for the sake of God but because thats just how we are. If God wasn't the reason something else would suffice. The trick is tolerance, if people could learn to tolerate what others believe and not kill one another cause your God isn't as powerful as mine, or not start threads just to get people going back and fourth, though it has been amusing, then all would be as right as rain. Well as right as it could be, were only human after all.

Great point Avitus. I agree with everything you said. But, it's hard to be tolerant of religions that think theirs is the only way (which pretty much covers all the religions in the world). I really am tolerant of others beliefs, as long as they can keep it too themselves.

Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??

[Avitus1]

Great point Avitus. I agree with everything you said. But, it's hard to be tolerant of religions that think theirs is the only way (which pretty much covers all the religions in the world). I really am tolerant of others beliefs, as long as they can keep it too themselves.

Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??

Thats like saying wouldn't it be better living in a world without different cultures? While the prospect might be appealing ultimately it would be very boring and life needs excitement and diversity thats how things evolve to be bigger and better. Religion is important to many people and to many parts of the world. There is a lot of destruction due to religions but they can also be part of a greater good and help people, rather it is find peace in there lives, or keep food in there stomachs.

Tolerance is something that is very lacking. Most religions believe theres is the only way which is true and I cant argue that. My religion (and yes I am religious) believes that too. Christianity is a big thing in this country and they are there are Christians out there who are constantly telling you and me and everyone else that we are going to hell. It upsets me, and a lot of people. The important thing that I notice is missing is that if your a Christian you are supposed to love everyone as a brother/sister and I dont see that going on to much. Especially if you look at history. Christianity in its true form is about peace, so are most religions, peace with oneself, with others, and with God. Though I never see that. The only ones that seem to got the peace thing down are the Buddhist.

Myself I'd never try to impose my religion on others, its my choice to believe in what I believe and if you dont believe in it as long as you are cool with me I'm cool with you. I think if people just accepted us all for each other and remembered that we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters we'd all get along.

Though I think I got high hopes there to be honest cause you know as well as I do that people will always try to enforce there opinions and beliefs on you rather you want to hear about it or not.

[Spam]

Wouldn't it be better living in a world without any religious beliefs at all??

Imagine that.

[Avitus1]

Imagine that.

Ever see that Episode of South Park? "My... Science..."

[ashbeeigh]

You and your Christian friends tried to take over this thread with your Christian propaganda. This thread was started as a thread for me and the troll "GOD" to talk shit to each other. We had been having fun doing that very same thing. It was all bullshit. Then, you guys started with a Christian discourse.

So, who were the angry ones.

All I did was to respond to you guys everytime you posted

If you "get enough of that shit ona daily basis", well then maybe you shouldn't be bringing it up. You could choose to turn the other way. But, that's just too hard for you to do, isn't it?

My original post was to clarify your view of "Christians." I was never confrontational. If you need a refresher here it is:



No one knows what happens after death. As Christians we choose to believe in a higher power, a higher place, and a higher purpose, not a fear. Or at least that's how I choose to see it. I don't fear anything. I cannot, as a Christian, wait for the day that I die, for whatever reason it is, to see God, Jesus, and all that other spiritual crap that you claim some Christians are "afraid of" and to finally breathe a sigh of relief because I will have finally arrived in his kingdom, not ours.

A lot of people know I moved to Dallas for the summer to work with kids in the inner city, what y'all don't know is that it's a church sponsored program. I see God, His will, and the way working every single day, and I will challenge each and every one of you non-believers to come up to 547 East Jefferson Blvd from tomorrow to August 8th to see the proof. There are more then 1100 children you can see these workings through.


I was going to turn the other cheek, but when you started to insult theroc5's posts I thought I needed to clarify a few things. I did that in my one post. You started the confrontation with your "Muslim fundamentalist" and "Crusade" stuff.

As far as my beliefs, I just have faith in it. If you don't have the same faith I do there's no need for you to beat my posts to death, repeatedly. I'm done. You and G.O.D. can go about your business.

[peewee's lovechild]

Thats like saying wouldn't it be better living in a world without different cultures? While the prospect might be appealing ultimately it would be very boring and life needs excitement and diversity thats how things evolve to be bigger and better. Religion is important to many people and to many parts of the world. There is a lot of destruction due to religions but they can also be part of a greater good and help people, rather it is find peace in there lives, or keep food in there stomachs.

Tolerance is something that is very lacking. Most religions believe theres is the only way which is true and I cant argue that. My religion (and yes I am religious) believes that too. Christianity is a big thing in this country and they are there are Christians out there who are constantly telling you and me and everyone else that we are going to hell. It upsets me, and a lot of people. The important thing that I notice is missing is that if your a Christian you are supposed to love everyone as a brother/sister and I dont see that going on to much. Especially if you look at history. Christianity in its true form is about peace, so are most religions, peace with oneself, with others, and with God. Though I never see that. The only ones that seem to got the peace thing down are the Buddhist.

Myself I'd never try to impose my religion on others, its my choice to believe in what I believe and if you dont believe in it as long as you are cool with me I'm cool with you. I think if people just accepted us all for each other and remembered that we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters we'd all get along.

Though I think I got high hopes there to be honest cause you know as well as I do that people will always try to enforce there opinions and beliefs on you rather you want to hear about it or not.

Well said, Avitus. I agree that culture, or cultural diveristy, is essential. We can't all be the same and expecting others to be the same leads to misunderstandings and, in fact, war. But, I think that culture can survive the end of religiostiy. They are not dependent of one another. They are very independent of each other. Regional differences make this world great. But we don't need to have religion to have different cultures in the world. Cultures come about from having to adapt to a given environment differently from another group belonging to a different geological environment.

I appreciate that you have your faith. And, I appreciate that you don't try to enforce your faith to others. I respect your view, but I still believe that this world can do with out religion.

[peewee's lovechild]

I was going to turn the other cheek, but when you started to insult theroc5's posts I thought I needed to clarify a few things. I did that in my one post. You started the confrontation with your "Muslim fundamentalist" and "Crusade" stuff.

As far as my beliefs, I just have faith in it. If you don't have the same faith I do there's no need for you to beat my posts to death, repeatedly. I'm done. You and G.O.D. can go about your business.



Once again, it was a bullshit thread until you put in your Christian propaganda.

And, you felt a need to "clarify a few things" when I insulted theroc5's posts?? That's where you went wrong.

I didn't realize you had to rush to his defense.
He must be as weak as god.

[Avitus1]

Thats true what you said about some cultures, but some are influenced by religions. Tibet for example, or India, and I'm sure if I thought about it I could name more, truth be told I've been drinking a few while watching this Soccer Game. I think the world needs religon but a more tolerant view of them and from them. Simple truth is some people need hope, and religion delivers that to both the wealthy and the poor. A lot of stuff has come from religion both good and bad and religions still bring a lot of stuff to the world both good and bad. For all the good charity given to countries, I can name bad intelligent design forced down people's throats. You gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Ultimately it comes down to what I said earlier, the world would be better if it was tolerant. You could never eliminate religion, but with education we could teach tolerance and then the world would truly be a better place. Though education would have to be improved :-/

Dah well right? I think I've said all I can say here. I think we both have to one another. *shrugs* So hows the weather? Speaking of weather I think its controlled by Superman, not God nor Science. ;-)

*had to edit this.... think I've had a bit more then i've let on...

[peewee's lovechild]

Thats true what you said about some cultures, but some are influenced by religions. Tibet for example, or India, and I'm sure if I thought about it I could name more, truth be told I've been drinking a few while watching this Soccer Game. I think the world needs religon but a more tolerant view of them and from them. Simple truth is some people need hope, and religion delivers that to both the wealthy and the poor. A lot of stuff has come from religion both good and bad and religions still bring a lot of stuff to the world both good and bad. For all the good charity given to countries, I can name bad intelligent design forced down people's throats. You gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Ultimately it comes down to what I said earlier, the world would be better if it was tolerant. You could never eliminate religion, but with education we could teach tolerance and then the world would truly be a better place. Though education would have to be improved :-/

Dah well right? I think I've said all I can say here. I think we both have to one another. *shrugs* So hows the weather? Speaking of weather I think its controlled by Superman, not God nor Science. ;-)

*had to edit this.... think I've had a bit more then i've let on...


:lol :lol :lol

Maybe one unifying religion for all??
I could live with that. I wouldn't go for it, but I could certainly tolerate a SINGLE religion that unites people throughout the world.

Superman needs to bring winter now!!!

It's too fucking hot.
My air condition is on 24/7 and I'm gonna pay up the ass . . . literally.

[Avitus1]

A unifying religion would eventually split up into several "true religions."

All Superman is good for lately is making it rain endlessly...