Upcoming MMA Cards....

[polandprzem]

Damn seems like summer will be full of downloading!

Affiction will be niceeeee :tu

Plus I wonder how Rampage will defend the title of LHW (the best division)

Also in September I wait for Houston Alexander fight and hopefully he will get through and make it to UFC # card this year.

[dallaskd]

Kimbo-Rogers set for October? does anyone have the video of the post conference where he calls out kimbo? i just want this to happen so kimbo can fade away quietly.

[LEONARD]

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1608
http://www.mmascraps.com/2008/06/brett-rogers-says-kimbo-wouldnt-last-1.html

[Evan]

What: Elite XC: Return of the King
When: June 14th @ 10pm ET
Where: Blaisdell Arena; Honolulu, Hawaii

Here’s the latest on the EXC: Return of the King event:
Main Card

KJ Noons vs. Yves Edwards (EXC Lightweight Title)
Nick Diaz vs. Muhsin Corbbrey
Murilo “Ninja” Rua vs. Tony Bonello
Dave “Pee Wee” Herman vs. Ron “H2O” Waterman
Rafael Feijao vs. Wayne Cole
Undercard (televised on ProElite.com after the SHOWTIME telecast)

P.J. Dean vs. Dean Lista
Mike Aina vs. Kaleo Kwan
Mark Oshiro vs. Chris Willems
Chris Bernhard vs. Lolohea Mahe
Kala Kolohe Hose vs. Bubba McDaniel

[Evan]

HDNet Fights Presents: Adrenaline MMA
Saturday, June 14 (9:30 p.m. ET/6:30 p.m. PT)
The debut of Adrenaline MMA (formerly M-1 Global) takes place at the Sears Centre Arena near Chicago and features a main event between Jason Guida and Mike Russow. Other UFC and PRIDE veterans are booked for the event.

HDNet Fights Presents: DREAM.4
Sunday, June 15 (4 a.m. ET/1:00 a.m. PT)
The second round of the organization's middleweight grand prix highlights DREAM.4, which takes place at the Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan. On tap are Jason "Mayhem" Miller takes vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, and Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Melvin Manhoef. Shinya Aoki also meets Katsuhiko Nagata in a late-scheduled lightweight grand prix quarterfinal fight.

HDNet Fights Presents: "SportFight XXIII: Heated Rivals"
Friday, June 20 (10:30 p.m. ET/7:30 p.m. PT)
Matt Lindland's SportFight, one of the sport's top regional promotions, returns for an event at the Rose Garden in Portland, Ore. Welterweight champ Mike Pierce meets Nathan Coy, and heavyweight champ Josh Queen meets Josh Bennett.

HDNet Fights Presents: "Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Thomson"
Friday, June 27 (10:30 p.m. ET/7:30 p.m. PT)
Strikeforce world lightweight title-holder Gilbert Melendez meets top contender Josh Thomson during the night's main event, which takes place at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, Calif. Additionally, Strikeforce world light heavyweight title-holder Bobby Southworth meets Anthony Ruiz.

[TheTruth]

You guys think Mayhem has any chance against Jacare? Probably another first round submission.

[LEONARD]

Nope...Mayhem almost got choked out by Tim Kennedy...

[Evan]

Mayhem is a very good fighter but he's lacking that elite fighter gene. Dude needs to learn how to KO.

[dallaskd]

bump

[Evan]

This thread is LEONARDS job and he's being a massive slacker.

[LEONARD]

Sluts...

I keep it updated daily, but just don't update the thread very often...

Cage Rage 27: Step Up on Saturday, July 12 at Wembley Arena in London
-Phil Baroni vs. Scott Jansen
-Robert "Buzz" Berry vs. Neil Grove
-James McSweeney vs. Mustapha Alturk
-John Phillips vs. Tom Watson
-Stav Economou vs. Piotor Kusmierz
-Ashleigh Grimshaw vs. Robbie Olivier
-Cristian Binda vs. Brad Pickett
-Eva Liskova vs. Aisling Daley
-Jason Young vs. Francis Heagney
-Mark Brown vs. Wessley Johnson
-Umidjon Mavlyanov vs. Jody Cottham
-James Elson vs. Dave Van Gas


UFC Fight Night 14 July 19, 2008
-Anderson Silva (#1 MW) vs James Irvin
-Brandon Vera vs Reese Andy
-Frank Edgar vs Hermes Franca
-Cain Velasquez vs Jake O’Brien
-Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns
-Sokoudjou vs TBA
-Rory Markham vs Brodie Farber
-James Giboo vs Brad Blackburn
-Dale Hartt vs Shannon Gugherty
-Nate Loughran vs Johnny Rees


Affliction "Banned" July 19, 2008
PPV Fights:
-Fedor Emelianenko (#1 HW) vs. Tim Sylvia (#5 HW)
-Josh Barnett (#4 HW) vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato “Babalu” Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead
-Ben Rothwell vs. Andre Arlovski

Bouts Scheduled to Air on Fox Sports Net:
-Aleksander Emelianenko (#10 HW) vs. Paul Buentello
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. TBA (DeWees?)

Preliminary Bouts:
-Trenell “Savant” Young vs. Mark Hominick
-Terry Martin vs Vitor Belfort
-Justin Levens vs. Ray Lazama
-Mike Pyle vs. J.J. Ambrose


July 21st - HEIWA DREAM.5 Lightweight GP Finals
Lightweight Tournament Finale
-Shinya Aoki vs Caol Uno
-Eddie Alvarez vs Tatsuya Kawajiri
-Winner vs Winner for LP GP Title

Other Matches:
-Nick Diaz vs Mach Sakurai (WW Title)
-Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto vs Joseph Benavidez
-Yoshihiro Akiyama vs TBA

Possible Participants:
Mirko Crocop
Minowaman
Joachim Hansen
Mark Hunt
Black Mamba
Denis Kang


July 25 MFC on HDNet
-TBA


EliteXC on CBS July 26, 2008
-Robbie Lawler vs Scott Smith (MW Title)
-Nick Diaz vs Thomas Denny
-Jake Shields vs Nick Thompson
-Antonio Silva vs Justin Eilers
-Shayna Baszler vs Kelly Kobald is being discussed as potential follow-up to the first card's Gina Carano-Kaitlin Young bout.
-Wilson Reis vs TBA (Bao Quach or Mark Oshiro)
-Rafael Feijao Calvancante vs TBA


WEC 35 Bouts Aug 3, 2008
(officially announced):
-Carlos Condit vs. Hiromitsu Miura
-Brian Stann vs. Steve Cantwell
-Jamie Varner vs. Marcus Hicks
-Damacio Page vs. Brian Bowles
-Micah Miller vs. Josh Grispi

WEC 35 Bouts (unannounced):
-Cub Swanson vs. Hiroyuki Takaya
-Carlo Prater vs. Brock Larson
-Todd Moore vs. Alex Karalexis
-Kenji Osawa vs. Scott Jorgensen


UFC 87 - Aug 9, 2008 in Minneapolis
-GSP vs Jon Fitch (WW Title)
-Brock Lesnar vs Heath Herring
-Kenny Florian vs Roger Huerta
-Sean Sherk vs TBA
-Frankie Edgar vs Hermes Franca
-Cheick Kongo vs Dan Evensen
-Demian Maia vs Jason MacDonald
-Andre Gusmao vs Tomasz Drwal
-Tamdan McCrory vs Luke Cummo
-Manny Gamburyan vs Rob Emerson
-Steve Bruno vs Chris Wilson
-Ben Saunders vs Jared Rollins


UFC 88 - Sept 6, 2008 in Atlanta
-Chuck Liddell vs TBA (Shogun?)
-Rich Franklin vs TBA
-Dan Henderson vs Rousimar Palhares
-Karo Parisyan vs Yoshiyuki Yoshida


WEC 36 - Sept 10, 2008
-Paulo Filho vs Chael Sonnen (MW Title)


UFC Fight Night 15 - Sept 17, 2008
-Josh Neer vs Nate Diaz
-Eric Schafer vs Houston Alexander
-Alan Belcher vs Ed Herman
-Joe Lauzon vs Kyle Bradley


Strikeforce Sept 19
-Kazuo Misaki
-Renato “Babalu” Sobral
-Winner of Thomson/Melendez
-Evangelista “Cyborg” Santo


September 23 - OLYMPIA DREAM.6 Middleweight GP Finals
-Nick Diaz vs Hyato Sakurai?


EliteXC on CBS Oct xx, 2008
-Kimbo Slice vs Brett Rogers
-K.J. Noons vs Nick Diaz


UFC 89 Oct 18 in England
-Michael Bisping vs Chris Leben
-Dan Hardy vs TBA

[Evan]

thats a good boy.

[Evan]

What: UFC 88
When: Sept 6, ‘08
Where: Phillips Arena; Atlanta, GA
Watch: Pay Per View

Here’s the latest on UFC 88:

Chuck “Iceman” Liddell vs. Rashad Evans
Rich “Ace” Franklin vs. Matt Hamill
Karo “The Heat” Parisyan vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Tim Boetsch vs. James Lee

[LEONARD]

I hadn't seen the Boetsch vs Lee rumor...

Dan Henderson vs Rousimar Palhares likely also...

[Evan]

awesome card.

[dallaskd]

Soku vs Cane at UFC 89. tough fight for soku. time to see what he's made of. Cane has some badass standup. i think it may be smart for Sokoudjou to use his judo and take this fight to the ground like he did vs Machida. I just hope his JJ is better this time.

[Evan]

Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Alves vs. Diego Sanchez*
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Luiz Cane
Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono
Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
Paul Kelly vs. Marcus Davis*
Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden*
Samy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund*
Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim*

[dallaskd]

this better be the last UK card. im tired of seeing the same fighters fighting in enlgand.

[djohn14]

Sokoudjou!

[oligarchy]

Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Alves vs. Diego Sanchez*
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Luiz Cane
Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono
Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
Paul Kelly vs. Marcus Davis*
Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden*
Samy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund*
Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim*

Is that an actual card? Skip.

[Evan]

Is that an actual card? Skip.

Thats a great card thats just missing a main event and its free.

a few future belt holders on it.

[oligarchy]

Thats a great card thats just missing a main event and its free.

a few future belt holders on it.

eh? Didn't know it was free. I don't know about any future belt holders on this card. Who would that be?

Bisping, no
Leben, no
Alves, no
Sanchez, definitely no
Soko, no
Cane, possibly
Hardy/Gono, hell no
Carwin, possibly sometime down the road.
Kelly, Davis, absolutely not
Liaudin/Whoever, fuck no.
everyone else, nope.

[Evan]

eh? Didn't know it was free. I don't know about any future belt holders on this card. Who would that be?

Bisping, no
Leben, no
Alves, no
Sanchez, definitely no
Soko, no
Cane, possibly
Hardy/Gono, hell no
Carwin, possibly sometime down the road.
Kelly, Davis, absolutely not
Liaudin/Whoever, fuck no.
everyone else, nope.

my friend I think you forget how young these guys are. I probably should have worded it contending belt holders instead of sure fire belt holders.

Bisping who knows
Alves yes
Sanchez yes
Carwin yes
Soko such a wild card but I can't rule him out

[Evan]

and I forgot...Sam Stout. The dude is so young and is awesome.

[oligarchy]

my friend I think you forget how young these guys are. I probably should have worded it contending belt holders instead of sure fire belt holders.

Bisping who knows
Alves yes
Sanchez yes
Carwin yes
Soko such a wild card but I can't rule him out

St. Pierre is also young -- I don't see any of your welterweights as a probability, so the age thing is a moot point. That's specifically why I put Carwin as a down the road guy. Sanchez and Alves, I just don't see it at welter any time. Bisping maybe down the road after Anderson is gone, but there are a number of Middleweights who I think are better and the same age. Therefore, as I originally stated, I don't see it. In 8 years, you can bump the thread if anyone of them becomes a belt holder.

[Evan]

St. Pierre is also young -- I don't see any of your welterweights as a probability, so the age thing is a moot point. That's specifically why I put Carwin as a down the road guy. Sanchez and Alves, I just don't see it at welter any time. Bisping maybe down the road after Anderson is gone, but there are a number of Middleweights who I think are better and the same age. Therefore, as I originally stated, I don't see it. In 8 years, you can bump the thread if anyone of them becomes a belt holder.

fair enough but I need to emphasive this point I made.

" I probably should have worded it contending belt holders instead of sure fire belt holders. "

[oligarchy]

fair enough but I need to emphasize this point I made.

" I probably should have worded it contending belt holders instead of sure fire belt holders. "

As if reading comprehension has ever helped me :). Yes, a few will compete for the belt. I concur.

[Evan]

As if reading comprehension has ever helped me :). Yes, a few will compete for the belt. I concur.

yeah and thats my whole point. :toast

[djohn14]

Like Evan said...good fighters...

Hard-Gono should be decent
The Soku-Cane fight will end in a KO
Alves-Sanchez should be very good
Bisping-Leban KO waiting to happen

I cant wait to watch that

[dallaskd]

Sokoujou is my man, but i dont know whats in him yet. His standup is good but this will be a big test for him. People forget he's one of the best in the world in judo. Soku by TKO.

[dallaskd]

eh? Didn't know it was free. I don't know about any future belt holders on this card. Who would that be?

Bisping, no
Leben, no
Alves, no
Sanchez, definitely no
Soko, no
Cane, possibly
Hardy/Gono, hell no
Carwin, possibly sometime down the road.
Kelly, Davis, absolutely not
Liaudin/Whoever, fuck no.
everyone else, nope.

Alves and Sanchez have bright futures. I would definately not count out either one. Soku is still young and has alot to learn but has done alot with his short career. Cane and Carwin have a punchers chance. its free why not watch it

[dallaskd]

Cage Rage 27: Step Up on Saturday, July 12 at Wembley Arena in London

-Robert "Buzz" Berry vs. Neil Grove



for some reason i wanted to see this fight. wasnt berry the guy who just beat old man Shamrock?

[dallaskd]

and to oligarchy...guys like chris lytle will never hold a title but their helluv fun to watch. i do hope leben KO's Bisping though. that should actually be a very entertaining fight.

[Evan]

and to oligarchy...guys like chris lytle will never hold a title but their helluv fun to watch. i do hope leben KO's Bisping though. that should actually be a very entertaining fight.

agree

but I think Bisping wins

[djohn14]

This kid is the future!

From Yahoo.com/mma

Over the past decade, Javier Mendez has built San Jose’s American Kickboxing Academy into one of the nation’s premier mixed martial arts training centers, with top fighters coming from all over the world.

When Mendez lists the five most talented fighters he’s seen walk through his doors and train, at least one name on the list will surprise you, if you’ve even heard of it.

No. 5 is Josh Koscheck, a former NCAA wrestling champion who is one of UFC’s top ranked welterweights. He came one takedown away from possibly beating Georges St. Pierre last summer.

No. 4 is Frank Shamrock, the former UFC champion who was the premier U.S. fighter of the late 1990s.

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No. 3 is Cung Le, the current Strikeforce middleweight champion who was the top U.S. San Shou fighter before going into MMA.

No. 2 is B.J. Penn, the UFC lightweight champion, now ranked No. 3 in the Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound rankings.

And No. 1 is Cain Velasquez.

If you do a double take and think “who is Cain Velasquez, and what is he doing on this list?” you wouldn’t be alone. Velasquez is a former Arizona State University wrestling star. In the 2006 NCAA tournament semifinals, he lost a close and controversial criteria decision after tying 2-2 with eventual NCAA champion Cole Konrad.

He’s only had eight minutes total of MMA competition ring time in compiling a 3-0 record.

On Saturday night, Mendez is figuring the world will take notice of the gym legend known in San Jose and spoken about with reverence by almost everyone as “The Killer,” when Velasquez faces former Purdue heavyweight Jake O’Brien on UFC’s Spike TV special from Las Vegas.

“Right now, he could walk in and be a good pro boxer,” said Mendez about someone who, aside from fooling around with gloves with some friends, had never even put on boxing gloves until August 2006. “He could not only be a good kickboxer, but he’s K-1 level (the Japanese group which is top organization for heavyweights in the world). He won a world championship in Jiu Jitsu (World No Gi world champion in the blue belt division in late 2007, 17 months after his first class). He’s the fastest learner I’ve ever had. And nobody trains harder. He trains harder than the lightweights.”

Mendez, who said Velasquez today could beat Randy Couture, said he saw something in him the first day he came through the door for a tryout. Velasquez was sparring with Jean Claude Leuyer, a top heavyweight kickboxer in the 90s who threw a head kick at him to show the newcomer who was boss. Velasquez received the kick and immediately slammed Leuyer down.

“Right then, I said, ‘He’s in,’” said Mendez.

But the real turning point came less than two months later. Velasquez was handing Paul Buentello, the gym’s best known heavyweight, his lumps in practice by using his wrestling to throw Buentello around.

Buentello came in banged up one day and asked Mendez if he and Velasquez could go at it strictly boxing, but what happened shocked everyone.

“He (Velasquez) beat him down,” said Mendez. “I was blown away.”

The idea was for him to get 10 or so fights on smaller shows before approaching UFC. But after missing a few months after breaking his hand in a Bodog Fight card in St. Petersburg, Russia in late 2006, his reputation was such that one fight after another fell through when opponents kept pulling out after they investigated who they were to be facing. He went without a fight for 16 months until his UFC debut.

Arizona State wrestling coach Tom Ortiz, who recruited him from high school, attributed a lot of his success to being such a mentally focused trainer.

“He always wants to train,” said Ortiz. “We’d have to tell him it was time to stop.”

Ortiz felt that Velasquez’s childhood background growing up in Yuma, AZ led to his work ethic. Velazquez worked the fields with his father at the crack of dawn, picking up and hauling watermelons for hours at a time, so he grew up with doing the same thing over and over again. It developed a mentality that thrived on repetition training in wrestling before MMA.

He was a high school state heavyweight champion in Arizona in 2001. The next year, he was national junior college champion at Iowa Central Community College. In his two years at Arizona State, he placed fifth in 2005 and fourth in 2006 at the NCAA’s as an undersized heavyweight who would have to eat heavy to keep his weight at 240 pounds, battling men like Konrad and current Olympic team superheavyweight Steve Mocco who would cut weight to make 285.

But there was a part of Velasquez’s mentality that wrestling itself wasn’t enough, which is why he decided against staying at Arizona State to help coach and try for the Olympic team.

“When I locked up (in matches), I wanted to do more than just wrestle,” Velasquez said. “I wanted to punch.”

He talked about leaving school after his junior year to get into MMA, but Ortiz told him if he promised to finish his senior year, he’d put him in touch with the right people to get him started.

“I think in a year he can beat Fedor (Emelianenko),” said Daniel Puder, who has many times taken his lumps in training from Velasquez. “The thing is, he’s got the greatest conditioning of anyone. He’s got the speed of a lightweight and the strength of a heavyweight. You can’t out-quick him. “You can’t out power him. You can’t outlast him. He doesn’t just beat people in the gym, he massacres them. It’s almost impossible to last a round. His only weakness possibly is to get him with technique. But you can only get a move on him twice, because he learns instantaneously.”

But there is a big step between being the toughest guy in the gym, even at a gym filled with world class fighters, and dominating in competition.

O’Brien, 10-1, poses an interesting challenge. His wrestling pedigree is similar and he has a lot more big show experience. But there are questions regarding anyone who comes back from a broken neck, and he suffered his first pro loss, to Andrei Arlovski, in his most recent fight.

The match was put together with the idea that their wrestling will cancel out, so to speak, and that Velasquez can avoid being taken down by O’Brien, and thus it will turn into a stand-up battle. But MMA is often unpredictable.

Velasquez is one of UFC’s three project heavyweights along with Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin that have debuted this year. All there are All-American heavyweight wrestling powerhouses and physical freaks that the company is hoping will carry the division depleted with the losses over the last several months of Couture, Tim Sylvia, Arlovski and the flaming out of Mirko Cro Cop.

Velasquez destroyed Brad Morris in his UFC debut on April 19 in Montreal in a prelim match in 2:10. He came in touted about his wrestling credentials, but it was his fast and heavy hands that came into play. UFC officials were upset time ran out on the pay-per-view before the match could be aired on tape, as it was clear there was something there. So this time he will be put on live.

It’s premature to shine up a championship belt, let alone the Hall of Fame plaque based on gym hype.

“But think about this, a dominant heavyweight champion, and he’s Mexican,” said Mendez, in talking about not just his ability, but potential marketability. “There’s never been anyone like that yet.”

[djohn14]

This kid is the future!



No. 5 is Josh Koscheck, a former NCAA wrestling champion who is one of UFC’s top ranked welterweights. He came one takedown away from possibly beating Georges St. Pierre last summer.

No. 4 is Frank Shamrock, the former UFC champion who was the premier U.S. fighter of the late 1990s.


No. 3 is Cung Le, the current Strikeforce middleweight champion who was the top U.S. San Shou fighter before going into MMA.

No. 2 is B.J. Penn, the UFC lightweight champion, now ranked No. 3 in the Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound rankings.

And No. 1 is Cain Velasquez.

Thats very high praise! ”

[LEONARD]

Machida vs Thiago Silva at UFC 89...love this matchup...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/7/16/572924/machida-vs-thiago-silva-at

[Evan]

Machida vs Thiago Silva at UFC 89...love this matchup...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/7/16/572924/machida-vs-thiago-silva-at

Translation, LEONARD thinks Thiago will win.

how about laying down another 20 biotch?!

[Evan]

Thanks for posting that, djohn14.

[djohn14]

No problem Evan...I hope Thiago wins...but Machida will outclass him.

[LEONARD]

Translation, LEONARD thinks Thiago will win.

how about laying down another 20 biotch?!

Actually no, I think Machida will win...but this is as good of a matchup for him as anybody.

[Evan]

Actually no, I think Machida will win...but this is as good of a matchup for him as anybody.

oh ok gotcha.

[Evan]

out fucking standing

Jeremy Horn vs. Wilson Gouveia added to UFC Fight Night 15

[LEONARD]

Gouveia will be a beast at MW...Horn's last fight in the UFC right there...

[Evan]

Gouveia will be a beast at MW...Horn's last fight in the UFC right there...

I dunno…I think Horn will always be a fill in on and off until he retires.

[dallaskd]

He needs to pile up 100 wins and retire. Horn is a great fighter with zero heart and desire.

[Evan]

He needs to pile up 100 wins and retire. Horn is a great fighter with zero heart and desire.

Chuck beat it out of him. He's never been the same since that fight.

[oligarchy]

Alves and Sanchez have bright futures. I would definately not count out either one. Soku is still young and has alot to learn but has done alot with his short career. Cane and Carwin have a punchers chance. its free why not watch it

Sanchez doesn't impress me. Alves is a beat -- the only statement I said is that I don't believe he can beat GSP. Soku was overrated like Houston Alexander because of a couple of knockouts. He is different then Alexander in the fact that he trains with a good camp and works on his ground game, and will continue to get better. In the future he might be able to make an impact, but I would see that as a few years out (at least 3).

I didn't say I wasn't going to watch it. I didn't read it was free, so I was saying I wouldn't buy it. I watch all fights and pay for just about every single pay-per-view available.


and to oligarchy...guys like chris lytle will never hold a title but their helluv fun to watch. i do hope leben KO's Bisping though. that should actually be a very entertaining fight.

I didn't say anything about the entertainment value of watching fighters that don't hold a belt, not sure where that came from. I only said I don't believe those fighters will be belt holders, which Evan said he stated incorrectly and meant contenders.

[Evan]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo


MMARated.com has learned that UFC middleweight fighter Yushin Okami has recently suffered a broken hand and thus a potential title fight pitting Okami and Anderson Silva, once thought to be slated for September or October, has now been put on hold.

We’ve also learned that if Silva leaves the Octagon tomorrow night without any major injuries there are plans to book Patrick Cote as his next opponent, possibly this Fall as well.

[djohn14]

Dude...not cool Okami deserves it and Cote...is OK but nothing more.

[LEONARD]

Cote will get throttled thinking he can stand with Silva...

[Evan]

Cote will get throttled thinking he can stand with Silva...

Agree...he'll fall to the floor the moment he signs the contract.

[Evan]

Leonard Garcia agrees to Sept. 10 bout with Jens Pulver

[LEONARD]

I like it...

[Evan]

I like it...

its a perfect matchup but Jens needs to win this really bad.

[oligarchy]

its a perfect matchup but Jens needs to win this really bad.

Looks like Jens is the gatekeeper in WEC at 145 :|

[Evan]

Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Alves vs. Diego Sanchez*
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Luiz Cane
Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono
Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
Paul Kelly vs. Marcus Davis*
Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden*
Samy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund*
Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim*

Looks like Anderson Silva Vs Patrick Cote (Since Okami broke his hand) for the belt.

Silva is going to flat out destroy him.

What an awesome card...and for free.

[djohn14]

Looks like Anderson Silva Vs Patrick Cote (Since Okami broke his hand) for the belt.

Silva is going to flat out destroy him.

What an awesome card...and for free.

You do know Alves-Sanchez got moved back 1 month dont you? Is the Silva Cote on this card just speculation or...

[dbreiden83080]

Looks like Anderson Silva Vs Patrick Cote (Since Okami broke his hand) for the belt.

Silva is going to flat out destroy him.

What an awesome card...and for free.

I hope Dana lets Bisping fight Silva, that guy deserves a good ass kicking. :lol

[Evan]

You do know Alves-Sanchez got moved back 1 month dont you? Is the Silva Cote on this card just speculation or...

Good point, I should quoted an updated card (Its 10:24PM and I am still working :bang)

"UFC 89: OCTOBER 18, 2008 IN ENGLAND
venue: The National Indoor Arena in Birmingham, England

-Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
-Lyoto Machida (#5 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Thiago Silva (#10 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (#7 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Luiz Cane
-Paul Kelly vs. Marcus Davis
-Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden
-Sammy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund
-Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim
-Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono
-Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
-Paul Taylor vs. Chris Lytle
-David Barron vs. TBA:

And its speculation but straight from White

"White said that if Silva fights in September at UFC 88, that it would likely be against Cote."

mmajunkie.com

[djohn14]

Good point, I should quoted an updated card (Its 10:24PM and I am still working :bang)

"UFC 89: OCTOBER 18, 2008 IN ENGLAND
venue: The National Indoor Arena in Birmingham, England

-Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
-Lyoto Machida (#5 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Thiago Silva (#10 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (#7 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Luiz Cane
-Paul Kelly vs. Marcus Davis
-Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden
-Sammy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund
-Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim
-Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono
-Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
-Paul Taylor vs. Chris Lytle
-David Barron vs. TBA:

And its speculation but straight from White

"White said that if Silva fights in September at UFC 88, that it would likely be against Cote."

mmajunkie.comIf I was Dana I would hold the fight off till a PPV, but of course as I fan I want it free. With Anderson-Cote it would be a great card, without...it still has nice potential.

Bisping-Leban=FUN

I cant wait to see Thiago and Lyoto go at it.

Soku and Cane should be a good fight.

Its always fun to watch Sam Stout.

Id like to see Carwins fight.

And for some reason I want to see Dan Hardy vs. Akihiro Gono.

[Evan]

If I was Dana I would hold the fight off till a PPV, but of course as I fan I want it free. With Anderson-Cote it would be a great card, without...it still has nice potential..

Thats a very good point but considering SpikeTV reportedly signed a $100 million dollar deal with the UFC I wonder if they expect one big time free PPV caliber card a year. Because otherwise that's a no brainer cash cow PPV.

[djohn14]

Thats a very good point but considering SpikeTV reportedly signed a $100 million dollar deal with the UFC I wonder if they expect one big time free PPV caliber card a year. Because otherwise that's a no brainer cash cow PPV.

ah....well I certainly wouldnt be opposed to it.

[djohn14]

Got to go...Im about to be an uncle....Shes goin into labor and im about to be board as hell...At least they have vending machines.

[Evan]

Keith Jardine says he's fighting Brandon Vera at UFC 89

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4872/keith-jardine-says-hes-fighting-brandon-vera-at-ufc-89.mma

[djohn14]

Dammit Evan...this is stupid...Im not going to bother looking news up anymore...you are my new source. Are you on these sites mailing lists...everytime something new comes out they mail you. One day Evan...one day I will beat you, and I wont rest until then.

Lol...anyway that might be a pretty good fight. I got Jardine.

[Evan]

Dammit Evan...this is stupid...Im not going to bother looking news up anymore...you are my new source. Are you on these sites mailing lists...everytime something new comes out they mail you. One day Evan...one day I will beat you, and I wont rest until then.

Lol...anyway that might be a pretty good fight. I got Jardine.

create a yahoo RSS feeder page. I have about 30 sites on mine ranging from CNN to health sites...you have everything in front of you on one page. I can scan 7 different MMA sites in seconds.

I don't know how people surf the internet for news without RSS feeds.

[djohn14]

create a yahoo RSS feeder page. I have about 30 sites on mine ranging from CNN to health sites...you have everything in front of you on one page. I can scan 7 different MMA sites in seconds.

I don't know how people surf the internet for news without RSS feeds.

I just have a couple sites favorited....like 411 mania/mma and yahoo sports/mma. 411 is really good, buts its about a day or so late on news. Yahoo isnt that good for news but it has some nice articals.

[Evan]

I just have a couple sites favorited....like 411 mania/mma and yahoo sports/mma. 411 is really good, buts its about a day or so late on news. Yahoo isnt that good for news but it has some nice articals.

No no no…that’s not how it works.

Every site has something called a "RSS feed" that gives the title and first sentence or two of its stories

For instance

Look at this

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/feed/

Yahoo turns that junk into this

East Coast MMA Insider: Two strong cards set for August - 1 hour ago(Pictured: Combat in the Cage middleweight champion Charlie Joseph, who will be dropping down in weight to challenge CITC welterweight champion Kasheem Patterson at “15th Strike” in Delawa…

Report: Diego Sanchez vs. Thiago Alves moved to UFC 90 - 4 hours agoA planned welterweight fight between Thiago Alves and Diego Sanchez that had been rumored for UFC 89 on October 18 in Birmingham, England, is now expected to take place at UFC 90 on October 25 in Chic...

Phil Baroni scheduled for ICON Sport card on Aug. 2 - 6 hours ago“The New York Badass” Phil Baroni is slated to return to the ring for ICON Sport promotion on Aug. 2 when he competes during the promotion’s “Hard Times” card in Honolulu...

B.J. Penn and Sean Sherk hangin’ out, filming NBC Sports reality television show (video) - 17 hours agoHere’s a video from B.J. Penn’s website of what appears to be Penn, Sean Sherk, Heath Herring, Mark Delagrotte, Dana White, and a few others flying to some ridiculous mansion in

Santa Barb...
Silva’s manager says GSP not deserving of fight against Anderson - 17 hours ago

************************************************** ************************************************** *********************************************

I have an entire page full of news from other sites all neatly and quickly displayed for me on my yahoo home page. And if I want to read a story in more detail..I just click on it and yahoo takes me there.

[Evan]

here's a snap shot of it...
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7199/homepagecl4.png

[djohn14]

Wow Evan...you keep this up and you can post before me whenever you want lol. Ok...I have that same homepage but none of the scoreboard, newsfeeds, etc. How do I add that.\?

[Evan]

Its easy...just log into yahoo

click "my yahoo" at the top left

then

"+ add content"

and just start searching for stuff. Anytime you see a site that says "add rss" or something just click the link and add it.

[djohn14]

Yes I do realize Im an idiot...just work with me....I clicked on this this thing that said add content. Then I see and RSS feed button so I clicked on it and it said add URL. Keep in mind that Im dumb. Is the URL the adress box?

[djohn14]

O...you answered my question..lol thanks.



EDIT...

I did it...thanks...now you better watch out...you got some competition!

[Evan]

no problem...ask away..once you set everything up (which is tedious) its worth it because you have everything in front of you on one page.

[Evan]

O...you answered my question..lol thanks.



EDIT...

I did it...thanks...now you better watch out...you got some competition!

I even have my netflix queue in there.

[djohn14]

The French website, fightsport.fr, is reporting that Fedor Emelianenko could end up facing former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski at the next Affliction show. In the article, Fedor mentions that the next Affliction show is set for November, but he has asked to move the card up to October so he has time to train for a New Year's Eve fight with DREAM (possibly against Mirko Cro Cop). Fedor also mentions that he would like to face Josh Barnett in early-2009. Affliction won't make anything final until they figure out the contract status of Randy Couture.

411 mania

[djohn14]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content3104.html

there is the link

[Evan]

The French website, fightsport.fr, is reporting that Fedor Emelianenko could end up facing former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski at the next Affliction show. In the article, Fedor mentions that the next Affliction show is set for November, but he has asked to move the card up to October so he has time to train for a New Year's Eve fight with DREAM (possibly against Mirko Cro Cop). Fedor also mentions that he would like to face Josh Barnett in early-2009. Affliction won't make anything final until they figure out the contract status of Randy Couture.

411 mania

very telling to what everyone thinks of the Randy situation.

[dallaskd]

Keith Jardine says he's fighting Brandon Vera at UFC 89

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4872/keith-jardine-says-hes-fighting-brandon-vera-at-ufc-89.mma

wow great fight. i got jardine.

[Evan]

wow great fight. i got jardine.

Vera just can't lose this...he just can't....

ugh..........

[djohn14]

A lightweight clash between Kurt “Batman” Pellegrino and Thiago Tavares will headline the preliminary portion of UFC 88, according to a new report on UFC.com.

UFC 88 will take place on Sept. 6 in Atlanta, GA at the Phillips Arena and will be headlined by a light heavyweight bout between Chuck Liddell and Rashad Evans.

Both Pellegrino and Tavares will be attempting to rebound from losses.

Pellegrino last competed in April, submitting to a triangle choke against Nate Diaz at UFC Fight Night 13. He is 3-3 lifetime in the UFC and 15-4 overall.

Despite being the favorite, Tavares was knocked out last month by Matt Wiman at UFC 85. The loss dropped Tavares’ career record in the UFC to 3-2.

[djohn14]

Cote and Silva is on for UFC 90 in Chicago. Looks like we might have another good card...them which Silva will win for obvious reasons, and Sanchez-Alves!

[Evan]

Tito vs Babalu for the next affliction card. Babalu will walk though him….

[djohn14]

OOOO...BABALU!!! And the paychecks just keep getting larger.

[dallaskd]

Tito vs Babalu for the next affliction card. Babalu will walk though him….

why do you say that? i like tito in this

[Evan]

why do you say that? i like tito in this

Babalu is a badass, far advanced from Tito.

I don't believe this fight will happen until I see it officially announced though. Too big of a risk for Tito. Another loss is a disaster for Tito. Its been since 2006 since he had a legit win unless you buy into Ken Shamrock.

Doesn't make sense for him to take it right now and I can't imagine Tito will be easy to sign...he will probably want some crazy pay structure and I am not sure affliction can afford another Fedor'ish type pay out.

I can see them fighting eventually but it would seem like Tito would want a couple easier fights to get his name back up a bit.

[djohn14]

Josh Gross of SI.com has a very interesting article about the health of Quinton "Rampage" Jackson up on the popular sports magazine's website right now. In the article it mentions that Jackson has fired longtime manager, trainer, and friend Juanito Ibarra. It also mentions that Jackson is out of psychiatric observation and is attending outpatient treatment daily and that the UFC is interested in having Jackson fight Wanderlei Silva in November depending on Jackson's health.

[djohn14]

Check this out!

Graciefighter.com is reporting that EliteXC is very interested in putting a Nick Diaz/KJ Noons rematch on the October 4 EliteXC CBS show. Diaz is very interested in the fight, however it is unclear if KJ Noon's camp will accept the bout. If Noon's camp does not accept the fight it is very likely that Diaz could end up facing Hayato "Mach" Sakurai at the September DREAM event. In another interesting note, DREAM has yet to pay Diaz for his victory over Katsuya Inoue back in May.

[djohn14]

I guess this is my own personal topic now!!!!!!!!...anyway I really like this fight, and this card is shaping up to be steller!


The latest bout added to UFC 90 on Oct. 25 is a middleweight bout between Brazilian Thales Leites and Croatian Goran Reljic, according to a report on MMAjunkie.com.

Leites had been rumored as scheduled to fight Dean Lister during UFC Fight Night 15 in September, but the match was scuttled after Lister reportedly pulled out of the fight.

Leites could become an eventual number one contender for the UFC middleweight title currently held by Anderson Silva, as he has won four consecutive fights in the UFC.

He has just one blemish on his 13-1 overall MMA record, having lost his UFC debut to Martin Kampmann during the live season finale for the fourth season of “The Ultimate Fighter.”

Since the loss, he has bounced back with wins over Pete Sell, Floyd Sword, Ryan Jensen, and his most recent win, a controversial split decision against Nathan Marquardt at UFC 85 this past June.

Reljic made his UFC debut at UFC 84 this past May as a light heavyweight. He upset Wilson Gouveia with a TKO at 3:15 of round 2 and improved his record to 8-0 in the process. Dropping down to 185 pounds, Reljic is someone who could possibly shake up the division.

UFC 90 will take place just outside of Chicago in Rosemont, Ill. and will emanate from the Allstate Arena. The card will be headlined by a UFC middleweight title defense by Silva, who is set to face challenger Patrick Cote. A welterweight bout between Diego Sanchez and Thiago Alves is expected to take place on the card as well.

[Evan]

don't worry...sometimes I have gone 3 pages without anyone posting but myself. Everyone reads everything...just sometimes you nod your head and don't comment.

[djohn14]

The “Big Frog” is coming for Torres.

Yesterday, Jeff "Big Frog" Curran announced that he was going to reinvent himself as a 135lb fighter in the WEC and said he deserves to have the WEC title around his waist. Jeff also stated that he should be fighting in December again although there is nothing official.


411 mania

[dallaskd]

bump. leonard doody needs to do his job

[Evan]

Leonard is too busy spackling and using a protractor right now

[LEONARD]

fags


World Victory Road Sengoku 4 Aug 24, 2008
Non-GP Fights:
-Takanori Gomi vs Hwang Sung Pang
-Peter Graham vs Moise Rimbon
-Makoto Takimoto vs Frank Trigg
-Kazuo Takahashi vs Valentijn Overeem
-Pawel Nastula vs Yang Dong Yi

Lightweight GP:
-Satoru Kitaoka vs Clay French
-Eiji Mitsuoka vs Rodrigo Damm
-Kazunori Yokota vs Bojan Kosednar
-Mizuto Hirota vs Ryan Schultz


UFC 88 - Sept 6, 2008 in Atlanta
-Chuck Liddell vs Rashad Evans
-Rich Franklin vs Matt Hamill
-Dan Henderson vs Rousimar Palhares
-Karo Parisyan vs Yoshiyuki Yoshida
-Jason Lambert vs Jason Day
-Kurt Pellegrino vs Thiago Tavares
-James Lee vs Tim Boetsch
-Matt Brown vs Dong Hyun Kim


WEC 36 - Sept 10, 2008
-Paulo Filho vs Chael Sonnen (MW Title)
-Leonard Garcia vs Jens Pulver
-“Razor” Rob McCullough vs Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone
-Johny Hendricks vs Alex Serdyukov
-Jake Rosholt vs Danillo Villefort


UFC Fight Night 15 - Sept 17, 2008
-Josh Neer vs Nate Diaz
-Mac Danzig vs Clay Guida
-Eric Schafer vs Houston Alexander
-Alan Belcher vs Ed Herman
-Joe Lauzon vs Kyle Bradley
-Jeremy Horn vs Wilson Gouveia
-Mike Massenzio vs Drew McFedries
-Jason Brilz vs TBA
-Joe Vedepo vs Alessio Sakara


Strikeforce Sept 20
-Josh Thomson vs TBA (LW Title)
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu (LHW Title)
-Kazuo Misaki vs Joe Riggs
-Billy Evangelista vs TBA
-Yoko Takahashi vs Cyborg
-Anthony Ruiz vs TBA


September 23 - OLYMPIA DREAM.6 Middleweight GP Finals
MW GP
-Jacare vs Zelg Galesic
-Gegard Mousasi vs Melvin Manhoef

Non-GP
-Nick Diaz vs Hyato Sakurai
-Hideo Tokoro vs. Atsushi Yamamoto
-Alistair Overeem vs TBA


Sengoku 5 Sept 28, 2008
MW GP
Kazuhiro Nakamura
Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
Jorge Santiago
Siyar Bahadurzada
Alexandre “Xande” Ribeiro


Strikeforce Oct 3, 2008 in Denver on HDNet
-Duane Ludwig vs Sam Morgan
-Frank Trigg vs Falaniko Vitale
-Phil Baroni vs TBA
-Pete Spratt vs TBA


Affliction 2 Oct 11, 2008 on PPV (undercard on HDNet)
-Andre Arlovksi vs Josh Barnett
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu
-Matt Lindland vs TBA
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko
-Tim Sylvia vs TBA
-Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
-Pedro Rizzo vs TBA
-Ben Rothwell vs Mighty Mo
-Mike Pyle vs Jason High
-Chris Horodecki vs TBA


EliteXC on CBS Oct 4, 2008
-Kimbo Slice vs Brett Rogers
-Gina Carano vs Kelly Kobold-Gavin
-K.J. Noons vs Nick Diaz

?????
-Joey Villasenor vs TBA
-Paul Daley vs Lyman Good
-Wilson Reis vs Bao Quach (FW Title)
-Dave Herman
-Michelle Watterson

UFC 89 Oct 18 in England (Spike TV)
-Michael Bisping vs Chris Leben
-Lyoto Machida vs Thiago Silva
-Keith Jardine vs Brandon Vera
-Rameau Sokoudjou vs Luiz Cane
-Jess Liaudin vs David Bielkheden
-Paul Kelly vs Marcus Davis
-Dan Hardy vs Akihiro Gono
-Shane Carwin vs Neil Wain
-Akihiro Gono vs. Dan Hardy
-Chris Lylte vs. Paul Taylor
-Per Eklund vs. Sammy Schiavo
-Jim Miller vs David Baron


UFC 90 Oct 25 in Chicago
-Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote
-Thiago Alves vs Diego Sanchez
-Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin
-Fabricio Werdum vs Junior dos Santos
-Thales Leites vs. Goran Reljic
-Spencer Fisher vs Melvin Guillard
-Hermes Franca vs Gleison Tibau
-Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Horwich
-Pete Sell vs Josh Burkman (at WW)


WEC 37: DECEMBER 3, 2008
-Miguel Torres vs. TBA
-Jeff Curran vs. TBA


TUF 8 Finale Dec 13, 2008


UFC NYE Dec 27, 2008
-B.J. Penn (#1 LW) vs TBA
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 HW) vs. Frank Mir
-Wanderlei Silva (#6 LHW) vs. TBA

[Evan]

There's our boy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dallaskd]

woot woot! thank you leonard dooty!!

[dallaskd]

Takanori Gomi vs Hwang Sung Pang (who????)

gomi=fedor pt.2

[LEONARD]

DEEP LW champ...

then he'll fight the winner of their LW GP I believe...

-Satoru Kitaoka vs Clay French
-Eiji Mitsuoka vs Rodrigo Damm
-Kazunori Yokota vs Bojan Kosednar
-Mizuto Hirota vs Ryan Schultz

[dallaskd]

why isnt he in dream?

[LEONARD]

Who knows!!

[Evan]

Because he is and has always been the most over rated 'big name' in MMA.

Gawd I hate the term over rated but it fits here.

And who knows what connections and relatioships he has with them.

[dallaskd]

bump not because leonard doody isnt doing his job its just low on the board

[djohn14]

I just have a quick question, but does anyone else think Rousimar Palhares is going to beat Dan Henderson?

[dallaskd]

no

[Evan]

Naw I just don't see it.

[djohn14]

I dont know, I just see him getting caught in an armbar or something.

[cornbread]

Yes, by kneebar.

[polandprzem]

By a snickerbar

[polandprzem]

I would bet money on Palhares

He is a slick monster with great ground game. Very fast and can adjust to many situations.

[djohn14]

Mauricio "Shogun" Rua recently sat down with Tatame.com and discussed a potential fight with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson at the UFC's December PPV currently scheduled for Dec. 27 in Las Vegas, Nevada:

"I'm back to training. I'm doing some Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu stuff, and thank God everything is fine now. I'll be back in December… They said that I might fight with Quinton Jackson, but nothing has been signed yet. They (UFC) called me ad offered a fight with him and I accepted, but they didn't say anything else more"

"(Rampage's recent mental health problems) surely can be a problem, but I want him back in December and against me, and I believe he can be back.

411 Mania/MMA

[Evan]

I don't like that fight at all.

He needs to fight a young up and comer...see where those knees are at. This is a good fight in May after Shogun has had a relative warm up.

[Evan]

Affliction 2 card

Andrei Arlovski vs. Josh Barnett
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Matt Lindland vs. Trevor Prangley
Pedro Rizzo vs. Ben Rothwell
Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon
Jay Hieron vs. Drew Fickett
Jason High vs. Mike Pyle
Paul Buentello vs. Roy Nelson

IMO this is actually better than the first card. Actual match ups. I am sure the UFC already is working on a counter program.

[djohn14]

I don't like that fight at all.

He needs to fight a young up and comer...see where those knees are at. This is a good fight in May after Shogun has had a relative warm up.

I know, thats exactly what I thought. I dont want to see Shogun go 0-2 in the UFC.

[polandprzem]

Affliction 2 card

Andrei Arlovski vs. Josh Barnett
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Matt Lindland vs. Trevor Prangley
Pedro Rizzo vs. Ben Rothwell
Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon
Jay Hieron vs. Drew Fickett
Jason High vs. Mike Pyle
Paul Buentello vs. Roy Nelson

IMO this is actually better than the first card. Actual match ups. I am sure the UFC already is working on a counter program.

hehe
maybe

I wonder what Horodecki can bring o this fight ?


I agree - Rua should fight some scrub first

[Evan]

hehe
maybe

I think the match ups are far better. But they still have time to add to it. So yeah who knows.


I wonder what Horodecki can bring o this fight ?

Who knows....I was certain he was due for stardom but his last few fights in the IFL were unimpressive at the least but I believe the IFL burned out many of their fighters. I'm looking forward to see what he does. He is an excellent signing by Affliction.

[polandprzem]

Saying maybe I meant the UFC putting a card at the same time :)

I've got to do some clean ups on my PC, maybe burn some fights ...

I still haven't seen Rampage Forest fight in hi quality. I only saw it life on STREAM.
I need some relax dammit! :)

[LEONARD]

I like Hieron vs Fickett and Horodecki vs The Upgrade...good stuff!

[desflood]

Affliction 2 card

Andrei Arlovski vs. Josh Barnett
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Matt Lindland vs. Trevor Prangley
Pedro Rizzo vs. Ben Rothwell
Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon
Jay Hieron vs. Drew Fickett
Jason High vs. Mike Pyle
Paul Buentello vs. Roy Nelson

IMO this is actually better than the first card. Actual match ups. I am sure the UFC already is working on a counter program.
Nice. Nice, nice, nice. Very nice.

Jay Hieron vs. Drew Fickett - been waiting for this one.

[Evan]

"Paul Buentello vs. Roy Nelson"

The battle of two of the most unathletic looking bodies in all of sport aside from bowling.

[Evan]

Ken Shamrock Vs Kimbo is up next for EXC. Who gives a flying eff?! Pathetic on EXC's part.

[desflood]

CAGE RAGE 28: SEPTEMBER 20, 2008 IN LONDON
venue: The Troxy in London, England

-James Thompson vs. Piotr Kusmierz
-Ross Pointon vs. Che Mills
-Antanas Jazbutis vs. Brad Pickett
-Leigh Remedios vs. Robbie Olivier
-Ross Mason vs. Scott Jansen
-Kym Farid vs. Steve Elliott
-Jack Mason vs. John Hathaway
-Michael Pastou vs. Nigel Whittear
-Neil Turner vs. Steve Hopwood
-Mark Brown vs. Scott Rogan
-Wesley Johnson vs. TBA
-Ashley Pollard vs. TBA

[Evan]

Bring the pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

Ken Shamrock Vs Kimbo is up next for EXC. Who gives a flying eff?! Pathetic on EXC's part.

I hate Shamrock but i am begging for him to Beat Kimbo. He has no ground game whatsoever, Ken could probably submit him if he gets it down. However he won't be able too. Ken is as shot a fighter as could be anymore. Kimbo will likely KO him. I agree, "Who gives a shit about this fight" How do you even sell it?? So if Kimbo wins, he beat a old man, ex-ufc legend who is 1-7 in his last 8 fights. If he loses he is a bum, not legit. I think Kimbo showed the world he is not legit in his last fight but they will desperately try and sell him as the real deal still. It is funny how when he was getting beat down in his last fight the broadcasters were saying "Will the legend die in this fight" Legend?? What does that mean? Some guy who used to fight bums and hobo's on the streets and it got broadcast on youtube is a legend, Uhhh okay :rolleyes

[Evan]

People wanted to see Rogers Vs Kimbo and Cyborg vs Gina….so what do they give us? Neither. On their most important show.

Makes sense......


:bang

[djohn14]

People wanted to see Rogers Vs Kimbo and Cyborg vs Gina….so what do they give us? Neither. On their most important show.

Makes sense......


:bangIts Elite XC...it makes perfect sense!

[Evan]

bad news keeps on rolling...


According to the UFC website, Lyoto Machida has been removed entirely from the UFC 89 card. Shane Carwin's fight is now on the main card instead.

I haven't heard any estimates on how long Thiago Silva will be out, but this could be a blessing in disguise for Machida. Beating Thiago probably would not have put him into title contention, and he's now open to a face a number of different guys.

One name being thrown around is Mauricio "Shogun" Rua in December. Shogun would be an underdog in that fight, which would have been hard to believe back before their respective fights at UFC 76. It's hard to see how Shogun would beat Machida stylistically, but it makes for an intriguing fight.

[dbreiden83080]

Evan who do you think the type of guy is that will beat Lyoto?? His offense is so elusive and annoying to try and attack. Maybe someone like Wandy who has great strikes and is aggressive as all hell. I think Page could take him maybe but he better stay active in the fight and not let Lyoto get compfortable.

[Evan]

Evan who do you think the type of guy is that will beat Lyoto?? His offense is so elusive and annoying to try and attack. Maybe someone like Wandy who has great strikes and is aggressive as all hell. I think Page could take him maybe but he better stay active in the fight and not let Lyoto get compfortable.


Let me preface this by saying I fault no one for not liking Lyoto even though I kid around when they do. Be it music, movies, politics, religion, women or fighting you can't argue taste as its useless and a waste of time.

With that said...

*puts on Lyoto underwear and combs hair*

He counters grappling, evades both punches and slow kicks...perfect example is the Tito fight. I am not sure aggressiveness would matter so much as he seems to be able to frustrate everyone as he chips away at them and out cardio's their oxygen blood count.

To me Lyoto is a perfect new breed of hybrid MMA fighter who is pretty damn good at everything and to his fault (IN THE EYES OF FANS) I think he is so well trained that he does nothing but listen to his coaching, follow the game plan and does not free style enough away from the game plan.

I think he would frustrate Wanderlei so much that it wouldn't go well for him.

I think the fighter that beats Lyoto will have fast long ranging leg strikes.

As I said in another thread..


No doubt he's a tough sell at this point in time but I think he will grow on people eventually. A KO or two will go a long way as we the mma fan are a emotional, fickle and reactionary breed much akin to the college football and soccer fan. If he wins his next fight he will get a title shot. He only has 13 fights he still has so much room to grow.

A couple ko's and people will forget he was "boring"

[Evan]

If you want to waste time you can find some old threads (2002 to 2005ish) in other forums where people complain that Fedor is boring because he has too many submissions. Someone on sherdog must have spent a week searching as he found about 40 of them on various sites about a year ago and posted them in one thread.

Now I am not saying Lyoto is the LHW Fedor...I'm just giving an example of perspective changing over time. This guys is only 30, 5 years into mma...13 fights...look at what he has done. Astounding.

Lets just give it time but mind you I believe the days are over for a long time where modern fighters will go on much of anything more than a 6 to 10 fight winning streak at high level orgs of fighting. Lyoto and Silva are due for a loss as the gap between these guys are so close right now which is nothing short of great for excitement but it would be nice to see some more stability. Minor complaint.

[Evan]

And one more thing...as much as I like Machida I would not want to see a handful of guys fight with his style.

[oligarchy]

Let me preface this by saying I fault no one for not liking Lyoto even though I kid around when they do. Be it music, movies, politics, religion, women or fighting you can't argue taste as its useless and a waste of time.

With that said...

*puts on Lyoto underwear and combs hair*

He counters grappling, evades punches and slow kicks...perfect example is the Tito fight. I am not sure aggressiveness would matter so much as he seems to be able to frustrate everyone as he chips away at them and out cardio's their oxygen blood count.

To me Lyoto is a perfect new breed of hybrid MMA fighter who is pretty damn good at everything and to his fault (IN THE EYES OF FANS) I think he is so well trained that he does nothing but listen to his coaching, follow the game plan and does not free style enough away from the game plan.

I think he would frustrate Wanderlei so much that it wouldn't go well for him.

I think the fighter that beats Lyoto will have fast long ranging leg strikes.

As I said in another thread..



A couple ko's and people will forget he was "boring"

Wandy is aggressive enough and has a good enough chin that it could make for a great fight.

Rashad's fight was an example of this "style" that Machida has. You "elude" strikes to frustrate your opponent. In Rashad's case, it made Chuck more aggressive lowering his hands to try to get in that one "cocked" shot as he is coming forward, rather fight his style of countering.

Honestly, we can watch point karate matches to see quick strikers that are great at eluding and get their hits in. Machida is a point karate guy that has added in take down defense and some BJJ. If that's the "hybird MMA" that is going to take over MMA, put to it to sleep now. I have a group of friends that seems to grow all the time as MMA fans. At UFC 66, it was me and my brother-in-law. Last UFC? We had almost 20 people. Do you want to know how many like Machida? 2 People. That's only because they were into Karate. The rest think he is boring as hell and don't want to watch him. The boring label is there because he is boring. You know who else they don't like? Tim Sylvia. None of them knew who Fedor was, but they cheered like hell when he smashed Tim.

There's a reason why Houston Alexander garnered so much popularity, Wandy and number of others. People are wanting to watch people fight, aggressiveness is what makes people watch.

The argument I seem to read is that people believe that fans find him boring because they don't appreciate his game. I don't believe that to be true, because what I would see was people that found BJJ and wrestling boring. There are aspects when it used to stall and no action takes place, which does make it boring. Some people though, believed it was all "gay and boring" once it hit the ground. Now that people understand more of the game, they find it great. I mean people in the group knew what a whizzer was. They can see the moves coming and call out the subs before Rogan or Goldberg would call it. Now, this is strictly the ground game. On the feet, people understand what is going on, which is where Machida tries to keep the fight. Therefore, I don't understand how people wouldn't appreciate what he is doing. I'm sure they understand what he is doing, he is boring.

Machida is unpopular as "all get out."

[Evan]

Wandy is aggressive enough and has a good enough chin that it could make for a great fight.

Rashad's fight was an example of this "style" that Machida has. You "elude" strikes to frustrate your opponent. In Rashad's case, it made Chuck more aggressive lowering his hands to try to get in that one "cocked" shot as he is coming forward, rather fight his style of countering.

Honestly, we can watch point karate matches to see quick strikers that are great at eluding and get their hits in. Machida is a point karate guy that has added in take down defense and some BJJ. If that's the "hybird MMA" that is going to take over MMA, put to it to sleep now. I have a group of friends that seems to grow all the time as MMA fans. At UFC 66, it was me and my brother-in-law. Last UFC? We had almost 20 people. Do you want to know how many like Machida? 2 People. That's only because they were into Karate. The rest think he is boring as hell and don't want to watch him. The boring label is there because he is boring. You know who else they don't like? Tim Sylvia. None of them knew who Fedor was, but they cheered like hell when he smashed Tim.

There's a reason why Houston Alexander garnered so much popularity, Wandy and number of others. People are wanting to watch people fight, aggressiveness is what makes people watch.

The argument I seem to read is that people believe that fans find him boring because they don't appreciate his game. I don't believe that to be true, because what I would see was people that found BJJ and wrestling boring. There are aspects when it used to stall and no action takes place, which does make it boring. Some people though, believed it was all "gay and boring" once it hit the ground. Now that people understand more of the game, they find it great. I mean people in the group knew what a whizzer was. They can see the moves coming and call out the subs before Rogan or Goldberg would call it. Now, this is strictly the ground game. On the feet, people understand what is going on, which is where Machida tries to keep the fight. Therefore, I don't understand how people wouldn't appreciate what he is doing. I'm sure they understand what he is doing, he is boring.

Machida is unpopular as "all get out."


Machida's style and fans reaction to that style is like the spurs but as long as you get the job done, right?. :lobt2:

And I am not saying Machida is a champion because I am not sure what he is. I just find him interesting.

[Evan]

A leg injury has forced Renato "Babalu" Sobral (30-7) out of his upcoming bout with Anthony Ruiz (21-11), which was set to take place Sept. 20 at "Strikeforce at the Mansion II."


Conspiracy Theory...to make sure he is clear for affliction?

Shame...really looking forward to this

Champ Josh Thomson vs. Ashe Bowman (non-title fight)
Mitsuhiro Ishida vs. Justin Wilcox
Anthony Ruiz vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral [Injured]
Kazuo Misaki vs. Joe Riggs
Cory Devela vs. Terry Martin
Billy Evangelista vs. TBA
Hector Ramirez vs. TBA


And keep an eye on Billy Evangelista

[djohn14]

It would be easier to find ouy what Machida really is if fighters would accept the fight...well adios....Off to work. Ill probably be back around lunch.

[Evan]

It would be easier to find ouy what Machida really is if fighters would accept the fight...well adios....Off to work. Ill probably be back around lunch.

-RightO- :toast

[desflood]

I think the fighter that beats Lyoto will have fast long ranging leg strikes.
Staying in lhw... Jardine?

Going down - Silva?

[Evan]

Staying in lhw... Jardine?


Perfect example.I think Jardine would give him serious problems….pound away at those hamstrings…counter is how slow Jardine resets himself after a leg strike so there is that problem for Jardine as he will have a short window left open over and over again.

I just find such a guy fascinating to bring into the mix…anyone that creates so many problems helps the sport evolve..Sherk is a winner but his style is nothing new. He is what he is.

[desflood]

On the same note, from bloody elbow:

According to the UFC website, Lyoto Machida has been removed entirely from the UFC 89card. Shane Carwin's fight is now on the main card instead.

I haven't heard any estimates on how long Thiago Silva will be out, but this could be a blessing in disguise for Machida. Beating Thiago probably would not have put him into title contention, and he's now open to a face a number of different guys.

One name being thrown around is Mauricio "Shogun" Rua in December. Shogun would be an underdog in that fight, which would have been hard to believe back before their respective fights at UFC 76. It's hard to see how Shogun would beat Machida stylistically, but it makes for an intriguing fight.

Personally, I'd like to see Machida fight Rampage Jackson. That is the true number one contender match at this point, and with Chuck Liddell out of the 205 title picture, it's much harder to keep Machida in title purgatory. Machida/Shogun is more like a Sherdog dream match and less of a match that will do much of anything for either guy.

[Evan]

Dear UFC

Please for the love of everything holy give Shogun a warm up fight…... I would love to see him tee off on Bonnar

[desflood]

Say what you might about a freak accident - Shogun hasn't been the same since the Coleman incident. Hopefully he'll bounce back, sooner rather than later.

[Evan]

Upcoming events... (I'll keep this updated as more fights are confirmed)


Last edited by LEONARD : 08-19-2008 at 12:21 PM.

:rolleyes

[Evan]

advertising fail

Much was made a few weeks back when Affliction sponsored a race car in NASCAR to hype the Day Of Reckoning PPV. That seemed all well and good, until reader Joseph Miller brought something to our attention:

It just seems odd to me that Affliction would promote their event at a NASCAR race when the next Affliction event is scheduled for the same time as a NASCAR night race.

Glancing at the calendar does reveal a race that night, from Charlotte Motor Speedway. This event will be during the NASCAR Playoff round, being hosted in Charlotte which is one of their marquee markets, so swaying fans from the race will be a hard sell. Spending advertising dollars to advertise in a medium that will be competing against you seems to hint at poor planning, to put it kindly.

[LEONARD]

lol...

here ya go, vag...

UFC Fight Night 15 - Sept 17, 2008
-Josh Neer vs Nate Diaz
-Mac Danzig vs Clay Guida
-Eric Schafer vs Houston Alexander
-Alan Belcher vs Ed Herman
-Joe Lauzon vs Kyle Bradley
-Ryan Jensen vs Wilson Gouveia
-Mike Massenzio vs Drew McFedries
-Jason Brilz vs TBA
-Joe Vedepo vs Alessio Sakara
-Rob Kimmons vs Dan Miller


Strikeforce Sept 20
-Josh Thomson vs Josh Ashe Bowman (non-title)
-Cory Devela vs Terry Martin
-Kazuo Misaki vs Joe Riggs
-Mitsuhiro Ishida vs Justin Wilcox
-Billy Evangelista vs TBA
-Yoko Takahashi vs Cyborg
-Anthony Ruiz vs TBA


September 23 - OLYMPIA DREAM.6 Middleweight GP Finals
MW GP
-Jacare vs Zelg Galesic
-Gegard Mousasi vs Melvin Manhoef

Non-GP
-Alistair Overeem vs Crocop
-Nick Diaz vs Hyato Sakurai
-Sergei Kharitonov vs Mighty Mo
-Hideo Tokoro vs. Atsushi Yamamoto


ShoXC Sept 26 in CA
-Wilson Reis and Abel Cullum (140 lbs Title)
-Shane Del Rosario vs Jon Murphy
-Matt Makowski vs Erik Apple


Sengoku 5 Sept 28, 2008
MW GP
Kazuhiro Nakamura
Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
Jorge Santiago
Siyar Bahadurzada
Yuki Sasaki

Non-GP
Roger Gracie vs TBA
Jorge Masvidal vs TBA
Alexandre “Xande” Ribeiro vs TBA


Strikeforce Oct 3, 2008 in Denver on HDNet
-Duane Ludwig vs Sam Morgan
-Frank Trigg vs Falaniko Vitale
-Phil Baroni vs TBA
-Pete Spratt vs Donnie Liles
-Patrick Barry vs Andre Walker
-Billy Evangelista vs Luke Caudillo
-Michelle Watterson vs Brandy Nerney


EliteXC on CBS Oct 4, 2008
-Kimbo Slice vs Brett Rogers
-Paul Daley vs Jake Shields
-Gina Carano vs Kelly Kobold-Gavin
-K.J. Noons vs TBA
-Benji Radach vs Murilo "Ninja" Rua
-Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos vs Yoko Takahashi
-Edson Berto vs Mike Aina
-Crafton Wallace vs Lorenzo Borgomeo
-Aaron Rosa vs Seth Petruzelli


ShoXC Oct 10, 2008 on Showtime
-Dave Herman vs TBA


Affliction 2 Oct 11, 2008 on PPV (undercard on HDNet)
-Andre Arlovksi vs Josh Barnett
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu
-Matt Lindland vs Trevor Prangley
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko
-Tim Sylvia vs TBA
-Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
-Pedro Rizzo vs TBA
-Ben Rothwell vs Mighty Mo
-Mike Pyle vs Jason High
-Chris Horodecki vs Dan Lauzon
-Jay Hieron vs Drew Fickett
-Jay White vs Chase Gormley
-Albert Rios vs Antonio Duarte


UFC 89 Oct 18 in England (Spike TV)
-Michael Bisping vs Chris Leben
-Lyoto Machida vs TBA
-Keith Jardine vs Brandon Vera
-Rameau Sokoudjou vs Luiz Cane
-Jess Liaudin vs David Bielkheden
-Paul Kelly vs Marcus Davis
-Dan Hardy vs Akihiro Gono
-Shane Carwin vs Neil Wain
-Chris Lylte vs. Paul Taylor
-Per Eklund vs. Sammy Schiavo
-Jim Miller vs David Baron


EliteXC Nov 8, 2008 on Showtime
-Joey Villasenor
-Brett Rogers
-Nick Diaz
-Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante


UFC 90 Oct 25 in Chicago
-Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote
-Thiago Alves vs Diego Sanchez
-Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin
-Fabricio Werdum vs Junior dos Santos
-Thales Leites vs. Goran Reljic
-Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard
-Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty
-Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio
-Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Horwich
-Pete Sell vs Josh Burkman (at WW)


WEC 36 - Nov 5, 2008
-Urijah Faber (#1 FW) vs. Mike Brown (#7 FW)
-Paulo Filho (#3 MW) vs. Chael Sonnen
-Jens Pulver vs. Leonard Garcia
-Jake Rosholt vs. Danillo Villefort
-"Razor" Rob McCullough vs. Donald Cerrone
-Danny Castillo vs. Ed Ratcliff
-Johny Hendricks vs. Alex Serdyukov
-Rani Yayha vs. Yoshiro Maeda
-Steve Steinbeiss vs. Alex Schoenauer
-Jose Aldo vs. Jonathan Brookins
-David Avellan vs. Aaron Simpson


UFC 91 Nov 15 in LV
-Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (HW Title)
-Wanderlei Silva (#6 LHW) vs. Rampage
-Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
-Josh Hendricks vs Gabriel Gonzaga
-Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone


WEC 37: DECEMBER 3, 2008
-Miguel Torres vs. TBA
-Jeff Curran vs. TBA


TUF 8 Finale Dec 13, 2008


UFC NYE Dec 27, 2008
-B.J. Penn (#1 LW) vs TBA
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 HW) vs. Frank Mir (Interim HW Title / Fights Couture-Lesnar winner)

[Evan]

very nice...

[Evan]

fight tonight on hdnet

http://ringofcombat.com/

[Evan]

And UFC officially counters EXC in oblivion with UFC 86 on delay.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/9/17/616695/ufc-counter-programs-elite

[Evan]

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/23315/ufc-91-01.gif

[dbreiden83080]

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/23315/ufc-91-01.gif

Fucking ridiculous prices right there. Why the hell would i pay 300 bucks for a bad seat when i can get it on HD-PPV for 45 bucks??

Oh and a thousand bucks for some of those seats when some of the guys that fight on that card will be making about 5-10 grand is DAMN criminal. The UFC is still ripping these kids off like nobody's business.

[Evan]

Even Tito in his book admitting the UFC fairly pays on a scale to profit * so if we want these dudes to get paid this is the price we pay.

*Except when it comes to him, lol

[dbreiden83080]

Even Tito in his book admitting the UFC fairly pays on a scale to profit * so if we want these dudes to get paid this is the price we pay.

*Except when it comes to him, lol

They are not paid fairly at all. GSP is one of the biggest MMA stars in the world and he makes something like 200 grand a fight, in a sold out arena, with ticket prices like that and a huge PPV audience. Chuck gets 500 grand nomatter what. For ihs star appeal and what he brings in that is painfully low. In his day Mike Tyson would make 15 mil fighting in front of a half filled arena broadcast on HBO. I read Dana White's cut of what he owns of the UFC is over 100 mil. The company is worth over a billion dollars. But guy's making 5-10 grand a fight is fair. Come on Evan.

[dbreiden83080]

Didn't Keith Jardine make like 20 grand for beating Chuck??

[Evan]

They are not paid fairly at all. GSP is one of the biggest MMA stars in the world and he makes something like 200 grand a fight, in a sold out arena, with ticket prices like that and a huge PPV audience. Chuck gets 500 grand nomatter what. For ihs star appeal and what he brings in that is painfully low. In his day Mike Tyson would make 15 mil fighting in front of a half filled arena broadcast on HBO. I read Dana White's cut of what he owns of the UFC is over 100 mil. The company is worth over a billion dollars. But guy's making 5-10 grand a fight is fair. Come on Evan.

You need to re-read what I wrote and take what I said in context.


Didn't Keith Jardine make like 20 grand for beating Chuck??

No, Keith said he made more than that. Thats just the base pay per fight. You should read some of these MMA biographies popping up from the fighters. You get a much better idea of what they make and HOW they make it. The simply cut and past stories on base pay are only a part of it.

Look up what Tito made his last fight and I will tell you what Tito said he makes in his book.

[dbreiden83080]

You need to re-read what I wrote and take what I said in context.

If you think the UFC is unable to pay them far more then they are, then i don't know what to tell ya. Re-read what i wrote for starters, the numbers of what the UFC is worth and pulls in each event compared to what they pay don't add up.



"No, Keith said he made more than that. Thats just the base pay per fight. You should read some of these MMA biographies popping up from the fighters. You get a much better idea of what they make and HOW they make it. The simply cut and past stories on base pay are only a part of it."

There have been countless fighters that have complained about the pay scale in the UFC, some of them got sent packing because of it. Most fighters who aren't stars, are hardly thrilled with their pay scale, i read that all the time. Basically the big stars, get sponsorship, a PPV cut, some fight bonuses, shit like that. Some of them start gyms and open schools, like Matt Serra. The middle of the row guys like Matt Hamiil don't get a whole lot. He just made 10 grand for losing to Franklin and on that MMA show on ESPN.com it was even a question that Kenny Florian addressed. He basically just said you have "Build your way up and your trainers understand you are not going to be making much until you hit the big time"

[dbreiden83080]

This is what War Machine just said before he got cut


"What else is an underpaid fighter supposed to do at the end of his career?" War Machine wrote in the posting. "Cash in his 401K? Collect social security? Start to work some [expletive] job for 10 bucks an hour? (This) [expletive] ain't boxing, and if you're not Chuck [Liddell] or Tito Ortiz, you don't get paid dick."

Now that is a little strong but you get the idea

[Evan]

If you think the UFC is unable to pay them far more then they are, then i don't know what to tell ya. Re-read what i wrote for starters, the numbers of what the UFC is worth and pulls in each event compared to what they pay don't add up.

Good Lord dude...I never said they make enough. Re-read what I wrote...I was saying what Tito said.

You have completely mistaken the context of what I said.

But moving on...those base scales are not true to what they make. That much I do know for sure. But to make it clear...do I think they make enough...I don't know. I really don't. I want these guys to make as much as possible but there is a reason why so many of these orgs are imploding. Maybe its because the orgs pay the fighters too much at times...I just don't know. MMA just isn't there yet. Its still in its infancy and it seems like everyone is having a hard time making a profit.

[dbreiden83080]

but there is a reason why so many of these orgs are imploding. Maybe its because the orgs pay the fighters too much at times...I just don't know. MMA just isn't there yet. Its still in its infancy and it seems like everyone is having a hard time making a profit.

MMA as a whole is really the UFC. That is the way the gen public looks at it. These other organaizations are having a hard time because they don;t have the talent to really draw consistantly like the UFC can. With the TV deals, merchandising, PPV and live gate alone the UFC is a juggernut is all i am saying. It just seems to me like guys like Hammill have to rely on a big bonus coming his way because the UFC won't give him much more than a 10K base off his loss in a co-main event fight. And since a lot of fighters really complain about this i tend to side more with them than the company. I firmly believe that as long as the UFC is the only game in town, this will continue.

[Evan]

we're not disagreeing on much at all.

But I would still like to point out we don't know what these guys make.

[oligarchy]

we're not disagreeing on much at all.

But I would still like to point out we don't know what these guys make.

I think that's the problem I have with people complaining about fighter's pay. You don't know what these fighters make. The only thing people know is what's reported to the comissions, but it isn't all the money they make.

[dbreiden83080]

I think that's the problem I have with people complaining about fighter's pay. You don't know what these fighters make. The only thing people know is what's reported to the comissions, but it isn't all the money they make.

But it's safe to say they are not making enough when you compare it to boxing which is basically a dead sport yet, guys routinely make in the millions of dollars when half the people are watching that used too. More than enough fighters have complained about their pay to easily cite this as an issue.

[Evan]

Love you guys...always up for a good debate without getting abusive like most forums. :toast


I think that's the problem I have with people complaining about fighter's pay. You don't know what these fighters make. The only thing people know is what's reported to the comissions, but it isn't all the money they make.

Exactly...and not to sound like a broken record but if you read these bio's you get a much better idea how they make money but its still cloudy. Its nothing like what we see reported plus the UFC allows them to have those banners and ads on shorts which is a ton of income. Not every org lets you do that.


But it's safe to say they are not making enough when you compare it to boxing which is basically a dead sport yet, guys routinely make in the millions of dollars when half the people are watching that used too.

Boxing still gets so much more in advertising dollars and gates. Yet oddly not as much on PPV on average.


More than enough fighters have complained about their pay to easily cite this as an issue.

Not really...only a handful out of hundreds of fighters.

[Evan]

Oh DAMN! I just saw Rashad Evans on a Microsoft commercial!

[dbreiden83080]

Oh DAMN! I just saw Rashad Evans on a Microsoft commercial!


Was he doing the Sanford and Son


"I'm coming, Elizabeth, I'm coming." :p:

[Evan]

news about a month ago was that the UFC was having a hard time finding people to fight Cain...

here's proof


The MMA News Blog Archive Cain Velasquez Rumored To Fight Mustafa Al-Turk At UFN16.

I have seen this guy a couple times on CR cards but don't know much about him.

[djohn14]

Cain Velasquez>Fedor!!!!

[oligarchy]

Boxing still gets so much more in advertising dollars and gates. Yet oddly not as much on PPV on average.

The other thing to note here is that undercard fighters, in boxing, usually make very little money, much like undercard fighters like War Machine. The guy is a nobody and expects big bucks. It isn't going to happen.

Even if UFC starts paying out more money, it isn't going to towards the fighters on the undercards. Yes, there will always be exceptions for some of the fighters on the undercards who know how to negotiate, but nothing will ever be drastic.

GSP may pack in crowds at Montreal, but he still isn't the biggest draw out there. I'm sure he'll get a bump in pay during his next contract/extension. He's becoming more and more popular.

Popularity has everything to do with pay, along with performance.

[Evan]

The other thing to note here is that undercard fighters, in boxing, usually make very little money, much like undercard fighters like War Machine. The guy is a nobody and expects big bucks. It isn't going to happen.

Even if UFC starts paying out more money, it isn't going to towards the fighters on the undercards. Yes, there will always be exceptions for some of the fighters on the undercards who know how to negotiate, but nothing will ever be drastic..

Josh Barnett quote that I'm paraphrasing...

"Undercard fighters who make 10k don't sell 10k worth of tickets"

[djohn14]

Josh Barnett would be correct.

[djohn14]

During an interview with Tatame.com, Vitor Belfort mentioned that he will be fighting at Affliction 2 in January and that he would even be interested in facing the #1 heavyweight fighter in the world, Fedor Emelianenko:

"My hand is getting better. I'm doing a lot of physical training and physiotherapy. I didn't care about the postponement, I wasn't going to fight anyway. I'll surely be back [at Affliction 2]. I spoke with Tom Atencio and what they decide is good for me, I'm ready to face anyone. If they want so, I can face Fedor (Emelianenko)"

411 mania...


Really Vitor....Really?

[Evan]

Give me Vitor Vs Vera/Stephan Bonnar for a UFN headliner.

As for Affliction...Vitor Vs Ttio II.

[Evan]

Good for EXC...I hope this happens.


Arlovski-Nelson Tapped for CBS

although I found this paragraph highly amusing


The last-minute addition will be presented as an Affiction-EliteXC co-promoted fight, and adds a quite a punch to an already anticipated roster featuring a showdown between former Internet brawler Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson and UFC Hall-of-Famer Ken Shamrock.


http://sherdog.com/news/news/arlovski-nelson-tapped-for-cbs-14524

[djohn14]

So let me get this straight...Roy Nelson and Andrei Arlovski would fight live on CBS?

[Evan]

So let me get this straight...Roy Nelson and Andrei Arlovski would fight live on CBS?

Yeah and their payroll is so high I don't get it.

If AA gets hurt...

[djohn14]

Well, Im not gonna say anything bad about it, thats for sure.

[Evan]

Looks like this is a affliciton Vs EXC co-promotion.

Good for EXC...I hope it works.

still confused by payroll

[Evan]

EliteXC Vice President Jared Shaw today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the marquee match-up further proves that EliteXC is going after the mainstream audiences and its biggest competitor, the UFC. "Oct. 4 is a huge event for mixed martial arts," Shaw said. "With this card and this line-up, we hit the mainstream, we hit the hardcore (fans), and we hit (UFC President) Dana White hard."

sup dawg!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2256784369_62441f4bde.jpg?v=0

[dallaskd]

sup dawg!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2256784369_62441f4bde.jpg?v=0

Dana White doesn't give two shits about kimboxc

[Evan]

Afflicitons January card will have 4 MMA matches and 1 Boxing match.

[Evan]

UFC fight night 16...very nice card.

* Josh Koscheck vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
* Mike Swick vs. Jonathan Goulet
* Frankie Edgar vs. Matt Wiman
* Brian Stann vs. Steve Cantwell
* Nate Loughran vs. Tim Credeur
* Corey Hill vs. Dale Hartt
* Ben Saunders vs. Brandon Wolff
* Justin McCully vs. Eddie Sanchez
* Steve Bruno vs. Luke Cummo
* Luigi Fioravanti vs. Brodie Farber

Justin McCully vs. Eddie Sanchez is the ultimate mma buzzkill. ugh....

Justin must have signed a new contract...was really hoping he would be gone. Interesting to see if Tito will corner him.

I think were about to see some great things from Swick. :ihit :ihit :ihit

[djohn14]

I cant stand McCully or Sanchez...hopefully they have a double KO. Also did anyone hear?....Anthony Johnson gets his rematch against Kevin Burnes in December.

[Evan]

I cant stand McCully or Sanchez...hopefully they have a double KO.

:lmao


Also did anyone hear?....Anthony Johnson gets his rematch against Kevin Burnes in December.

Very nice...well deserved.

[dallaskd]

bump.

[Evan]

bump.

pm Leonard

[LEONARD]

sluts...I don't know if some of this is still current...I try to keep up with the latest news, but have probably missed some stuff...


Strikeforce Oct 3, 2008 in Denver on HDNet
-Duane Ludwig vs Sam Morgan
-Frank Trigg vs Falaniko Vitale
-Pete Spratt vs Donnie Liles
-Billy Evangelista vs Luke Caudillo
-Michelle Watterson vs Tyra Parker
-Andrew Walker vs. Carlos Zevallos
-Tyler Toney vs. Ricky Johnson
Amateur Undercard Bouts
-Lumumba Sawyers vs. Drew Dober
-Jordan Goodwin vs. Alan Gomez
-Jeremy Malaterre vs. Joel Mickells
-Aaron Trujillo vs. Haven Torres

Phil Baroni was removed due to a cut he received in his fight last weekend…


EliteXC on CBS Oct 4, 2008
-Kimbo Slice vs Brett Rogers
-Paul Daley vs Jake Shields
-Andre Arlovski vs Roy Nelson
-Gina Carano vs Kelly Kobold-Gavin
-Benji Radach vs Murilo "Ninja" Rua
Undercard
-Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos vs Yoko Takahashi
-Edson Berto vs Mike Aina
-Mickey Gomez vs Lorenzo Borgomeo
-Aaron Rosa vs Seth Petruzelli
-Robert McDaniel vs Alexander Shlemenko
-David Gomez vs Nicholas Cardella
-David Martinez vs Nicolae Sinicio


ShoXC Oct 10, 2008 on Showtime
-Dave Herman vs Kerry Schall
-Torrance Taylor vs TBA
-Tiawan Howard vs TBA
-Mark Miller vs Anthony Lapsley
-Mamed Khalidov vs Jason Guida
-Lyle Beerbohm vs TBA


UFC 89 Oct 18 in England (Spike TV)
-Michael Bisping vs Chris Leben
-Lyoto Machida vs TBA
-Keith Jardine vs Brandon Vera
-Rameau Sokoudjou vs Luiz Cane
-Jess Liaudin vs David Bielkheden
-Paul Kelly vs Marcus Davis
-Dan Hardy vs Akihiro Gono
-Shane Carwin vs Neil Wain
-Chris Lylte vs. Paul Taylor
-Per Eklund vs. Sammy Schiavo
-Jim Miller vs David Baron


UFC 90 Oct 25 in Chicago
-Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote
-Thiago Alves vs Diego Sanchez
-Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin
-Fabricio Werdum vs Junior dos Santos
-Thales Leites vs. Goran Reljic
-Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard
-Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty
-Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio
-Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Horwich
-Pete Sell vs Josh Burkman (at WW)


WEC 36 - Nov 5, 2008
-Urijah Faber (#1 FW) vs. Mike Brown (#7 FW)
-Paulo Filho (#3 MW) vs. Chael Sonnen
-Jens Pulver vs. Leonard Garcia
-Jake Rosholt vs. Danillo Villefort
-"Razor" Rob McCullough vs. Donald Cerrone
-Danny Castillo vs. Ed Ratcliff
-Johny Hendricks vs. Alex Serdyukov
-Rani Yayha vs. Yoshiro Maeda
-Steve Steinbeiss vs. Alex Schoenauer
-Jose Aldo vs. Jonathan Brookins
-David Avellan vs. Aaron Simpson


EliteXC Nov 8, 2008 on Showtime
-Joey Villasenor
-Brett Rogers
-Nick Diaz
-Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante vs Cyrille Diabate
-Yves Edwards vs Fabricio Camoes.


UFC 91 Nov 15 in LV
-Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (HW Title)
-Josh Hendricks vs Gabriel Gonzaga (#7 LHW)
-Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
-Demian Maia vs Nate Quarry
-Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory
-Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos
-Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone
-Matt Riddle vs. Troy Mandaloniz
-Travis Lutter vs Joe Doerksen
-Mark Bocek vs. Alvin Robinson
-Justin Buchholz vs. TBA
-Nate Loughran vs. TBA


WEC 37: DECEMBER 3, 2008
-Miguel Torres vs Manny Tapia
-Jeff Curran (#7 FW) vs TBA
-Scott Jorgensen vs TBA
-Bart Palaszewski vs TBA


UFC Fight Night 16: Dec 10, 2008 in NC
-Josh Koscheck vs Yoshiyuki Yoshida
-Mike Swick vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Steve Cantwell vs Brian Stann
-Corey Hill vs. Dale Hartt
-Frank Edgar vs Matt Wiman
-Ben Saunders vs Brandon Wolff
-Nate Loughran vs. Tim Credeur
-Rich Clementi vs. TBA


TUF 8 Finale Dec 13, 2008
-Ultimate Fighter 8 Light Heavyweight Final
-Ultimate Fighter 8 Lightweight Final
-Mike Swick vs Jonathan Goulet
-Kevin Burns vs Anthony Johnson


UFC 92: DECEMBER 27, 2008 IN LAS VEGAS
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (#2 HW) vs. Frank Mir
-Wanderlei Silva (#7 LHW) vs. Rampage (#2 LHW)
-Yushin Okami vs Dean Lister
-C.B. Dollaway vs. Jorge Rivera
-Mustafa Al-Turk vs Cheick Kongo
-Ryo Chonan vs Brad Black


Affliction 2 Jan X, 2009 at Honda Center in Anaheim
-Fedor vs TBA
-Andre Arlovksi vs Josh Barnett
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu
-Matt Lindland vs Trevor Prangley
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko
-Tim Sylvia vs TBA
-Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
-Pedro Rizzo vs TBA
-Ben Rothwell vs Mighty Mo
-Mike Pyle vs Jason High
-Chris Horodecki vs Dan Lauzon
-Jay Hieron vs Drew Fickett
-Jay White vs Chase Gormley
-Albert Rios vs Antonio Duarte


UFC 93: JANUARY 31, 2009 in LV
-Georges St. Pierre (#1 WW) vs. B.J. Penn (#1 LW)
-Thiago Silva vs. Lyoto Machida
-Dan Cramer vs. Matt Arroyo

[LEONARD]

Added to UFC 92
Yushin Okami vs Dean Lister

[Evan]

Affliction 2 Jan X, 2009 at Honda Center in Anaheim
-Fedor vs TBA
-Andre Arlovksi vs Josh Barnett
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu
-Matt Lindland vs Trevor Prangley
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko
-Tim Sylvia vs TBA
-Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
-Pedro Rizzo vs TBA
-Ben Rothwell vs Mighty Mo
-Mike Pyle vs Jason High
-Chris Horodecki vs Dan Lauzon
-Jay Hieron vs Drew Fickett
-Jay White vs Chase Gormley
-Albert Rios vs Antonio Duarte

^there will be something UFC to counter this.

And note still no adrenaline or yamma. 2 more orgs have gone away quietly and nobody is talking about that.

[desflood]

Affliction 2 Jan X, 2009 at Honda Center in Anaheim
-Fedor vs TBA
-Andre Arlovksi vs Josh Barnett
-Bobby Southworth vs Babalu
-Matt Lindland vs Trevor Prangley
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs Vladimir Matyushenko
-Tim Sylvia vs TBA
-Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
-Pedro Rizzo vs TBA
-Ben Rothwell vs Mighty Mo
-Mike Pyle vs Jason High
-Chris Horodecki vs Dan Lauzon
-Jay Hieron vs Drew Fickett
-Jay White vs Chase Gormley
-Albert Rios vs Antonio Duarte

This will never happen. It's too good to be true.

[LEONARD]

very prelim...

UFC 93 Jan 17, 2008 in Ireland
-Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson

and according to Mousasi, he's going to Affliction and Fedor will probably fight Barnett next...

Affliction 2 Jan X, 2009 at Honda Center in Anaheim
-Fedor vs Josh Barnett
-Gegard Mousasi vs Vitor Belfort

[dallaskd]

Why would Rich go back to 185 and risk a loss?

[djohn14]

What, Im sure it will be at 205...wouldnt it?

[dallaskd]

What, Im sure it will be at 205...wouldnt it?

Dan just fought at 185 and i figured he was staying there.

[djohn14]

Dan just fought at 185 and i figured he was staying there.

Yeah, I did too, but I see Dan moving up as more likely then Rich moving down. I dont know though.

[Evan]

who knows...Dan says he hates 185.

Great fight either way

[djohn14]

Evan...or anyone that knows anything on the matter...Ive heard some rumors about David Loiseau coming back to the UFC, can anyone confirm or deny this?

[Evan]

Oh wow no kidding?

I love hearing the crows squeal when he starts his walk in. He's the perfect example of the mental part of the game being so fragile. Franklin just beat the life out of him.

[djohn14]

Yeah, supposedly he said he had contacted Dana about a return. I guess well just have to wait and see.

[djohn14]

Also at 93...it will be Shogun versus Mark Coleman.

[Evan]

Also at 93...it will be Shogun versus Mark Coleman.

I like it. Might be a bit confusing for the casual fan but I like it.

[dbreiden83080]

What, Im sure it will be at 205...wouldnt it?

I would think so.

Rich was saying after his fight with Hamill how he needs to dedicate himself to putting on more muscle to be competitive at 205. That he was fighting at only around 210 for that fight, way lower than most 205 fighters are coming in on fight night. So i'd expect Rich to stay put at 205. Unless the UFC is forcing him to go down for this fight which, they seem to love him so i would doubt that.

[dbreiden83080]

Also at 93...it will be Shogun versus Mark Coleman.

At 205??

[LEONARD]

Rich vs Dan at 205...

I bet Shogun vs Coleman is at HW...Shogun just won't cut...

[Evan]

Rich vs Dan at 205...

I bet Shogun vs Coleman is at HW...Shogun just won't cut...

Good fight for Shogun...exactly the type fo fight he needs...thank God he is not fighting a top 10 guy.

[desflood]

Let's hope he doesn't defeat himself mentally recalling what happened during their last fight. An injury like that would make anybody gun shy.

[Evan]

Wrestling Observer/Figure Four Online -- WWE, TNA, UFC and International Wrestling and MMA Headlines - Don't expect head-to-head PPV even with UFC announcement today

Don't expect head-to-head PPV even with UFC announcement today

By Dave Meltzer

Today's announcement of UFC 93 being added to the schedule on 1/17 from the O2 Arena in Dublin, Ireland, left a potential head-to-head showing on PPV, as well as more likely live competition between MMA and pro wrestling in the Dublin market.

The show, will be headlined by Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson. UFC sources have confirmed the fight will be at light heavyweight, with Henderson moving up a division and Franklin staying put. This means it is not a match where the winner would be in line for a match with Anderson Silva, who has beaten both men, who were considered by many as No. 2 and No. 3 as middleweights before Franklin moved up.

Also announced is the return of Maurcio "Shogun" Rua against Mark Coleman, who turns 44 before the match will take place. Coleman did defeat Rua in 2006 when Rua dislocated his elbow early in the match.

UFC also officially announced this as a PPV show and not a Spike special.

Affliction/Golden Boy had not announced a 1/17 date at the Honda Center in Anaheim for a combined MMA and boxing PPV show that would feature Fedor Emelianenko, but several key sources have confirmed that was the date they were looking for.

Promoter Tom Atencio indicated Affliction/Golden Boy would be looking at running a different date.

"It doesn't make sense to go head-to-head with them," he said. "People are going to be forced to make a choice. Either way, we both lose."

In what is purely a coincidence, the UFC show at this point is scheduled to go head-to-head in the Dublin market with a TNA house show that same day. It is possible TNA could move its show to the afternoon.

[ATRAIN]

Wait what does UFC have to do with TNA?

[Evan]

Wait what does UFC have to do with TNA?

SpikeTV contract…. and UFC is the moneymaker.

[dbreiden83080]

Good fight for Shogun...exactly the type fo fight he needs...thank God he is not fighting a top 10 guy.

He has a lot to prove, he looked Awful against Forrest

[ATRAIN]

SpikeTV contract…. and UFC is the moneymaker.

but does UFC own part of TNA?

[Evan]

but does UFC own part of TNA?

No but I am sure SpikeTV would be a go between UFC and TNA to protect the ratings.

SpikeTV has a lot to do with the UFC and TNA. SpikeTV Has a lot more control over TUF and UFC Fight Night cards than is publically known. That tidbit kind of leaked out when SpikeTV announced those two gusy from TUF 5 would fight on the card and had even chose what slot only to be swatted down by Dana once everyone threw a fit over it. Dana said something like "they set it up be we didn't want to go with it"

[ATRAIN]

No but I am sure SpikeTV would be a go between UFC and TNA to protect the ratings.

SpikeTV has a lot to do with the UFC and TNA. SpikeTV Has a lot more control over TUF and UFC Fight Night cards than is publically known. That tidbit kind of leaked out when SpikeTV announced those two gusy from TUF 5 would fight on the card and had even chose what slot only to be swatted down by Dana once everyone threw a fit over it. Dana said something like "they set it up be we didn't want to go with it"

But I dont see how that would affect anything because House shows arent televised. They are basically a tour with their ongoing storylines.

[Evan]

But I dont see how that would affect anything because House shows arent televised. They are basically a tour with their ongoing storylines.

Yeah I dunno then. Entertainment co's like Zuffa probably has a piece of a lot of other company's so if they did own a small piece of TNA (lol) I guess I wouldn't be shocked.

[dallaskd]

so you pick shogun to beat machida?


Absolutely...


as do I.


still feel the same?

[Evan]

Shogun will smash the senior

[cornbread]

I think I'm the only person on earth (besides Kevin Randleman and Phil Baroni) who will be pulling for Coleman.

[dallaskd]

I think I'm the only person on earth (besides Kevin Randleman and Phil Baroni) who will be pulling for Coleman.

Well he was a huge dick when Shogun fucked up his arm, but other than that I've always liked him. So is Shogun staying at HW? I'd love to see him match up against Lesnar, Nog, Randy. I'm actually disappointed we never saw Coleman-Lesnar as planned.

[Evan]

Well he was a huge dick when Shogun fucked up his arm, but other than that I've always liked him. So is Shogun staying at HW? I'd love to see him match up against Lesnar, Nog, Randy. I'm actually disappointed we never saw Coleman-Lesnar as planned.


We will see it if Lesnar loses to Randy

[cornbread]

Well he was a huge dick when Shogun fucked up his arm, but other than that I've always liked him. So is Shogun staying at HW? I'd love to see him match up against Lesnar, Nog, Randy. I'm actually disappointed we never saw Coleman-Lesnar as planned.

Just a little roid-rage. It happens.

I'm curious to see how Coleman will do with being allowed to use elbows again. He'll have to get Shogun down and hold him down to utilize them though. Easier said than done.

[dallaskd]

Eddie Alvarez vs Nick Diaz for EliteXC title.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7251&zoneid=13

Nick is going to get smashed. :bang

[Evan]

Eddie Alvarez vs Nick Diaz for EliteXC title.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7251&zoneid=13

Nick is going to get smashed. :bang


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wish that was this weekend!!!! Great fight!!!!!

[LEONARD]

Eddie will roll

[Evan]

Nate Diaz 9-2 vs. Clay Guida 23-6 at the TUF 8 Finale on Spike, Dec 13th


Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice !!!!

[dallaskd]

I wanna say Guida, but i wouldn't be surprised to see Nate sub him. I'd rather see Huerta-Diaz.

[Evan]

Nate has so much more talent then his asshat brother.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Nick is one annoying cunt

[dallaskd]

Nate vs Gomi. Let's see what happens. Nate doesn't have the power nick does and he's probably no better than Gomi on the ground. It would still be interesting though considering Gomi is overrated and hasn't fought a legit opponent in years. When was the last time you heard his name? wow...

[dallaskd]

Speaking of washed up fighters...what the hell happened to Ricardo Arona??

[BlackSwordsMan]

Speaking of washed up fighters...what the hell happened to Ricardo Arona??

disappeared with pride

[Evan]

Speaking of washed up fighters...what the hell happened to Ricardo Arona??

http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews/Finding-Ricardo-Arona-13816

[BlackSwordsMan]

Speaking of washed up fighters...what the hell happened to Ricardo Arona??


http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews/Finding-Ricardo-Arona-13816

cool

[angelbelow]

my buddy from stockton said he saw nick at a bar but he was actually trying to pick fights by being rude and hitting on girls with boyfriends. sounds like a dick to me.

[djohn14]

Nate Diaz and Clay Guida at TUF finale.

[dbreiden83080]

Nate Diaz and Clay Guida at TUF finale.

Good Fight

I hope Clay kicks his ASS, i love Clay and can't stand Nate

[LEONARD]

WEC 37: DECEMBER 3, 2008
-Johny Hendricks vs. Alex Serdyukov
-Shane Roller vs Mike Budnik

Hendricks was on WEC 36 but has been moved...

[Evan]

Affliction and Golden Boy change their minds again

http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3425

smartest thing affliction has ever done

[angelbelow]

Good Fight

I hope Clay kicks his ASS, i love Clay and can't stand Nate

clay is awesome, hard not to like someone whose to intense and energetic.

[LEONARD]

I think that fight changed and moved back some...Guida vs Pellegrino now (I think I read that somewhere yesterday).

[Evan]

By Greg Savage
Diego Sanchez has been forced to withdraw from a highly anticipated welterweight showdown with Thiago Alves due to an undisclosed injury, thought to be to his spleen, suffered in training, according to sources close to the situation.

[djohn14]

Yep I was just about to post that. Its sad because I was really looking forward to this fight.

[dallaskd]

Kos-Alves is on! Alves takes it.

http://sherdog.com/news/news/sanchez-out-koscheck-to-face-alves-14773

[djohn14]

Thanks dallas...I was about to ask who yall thought would be good replacements. He never crossed my mind. I like it. WAR ALVES!

[dbreiden83080]

Kos-Alves is on! Alves takes it.

http://sherdog.com/news/news/sanchez-out-koscheck-to-face-alves-14773

WOW

Taking that on short notice is rough for Kos. He can beat Alves though. He has to play it smart and not want to bang with him though. Sometime he gets away from his wrestling and just wants strike. He mixes it up and doesn't gas, he can win.

[dbreiden83080]

Kos-Alves is on! Alves takes it.

http://sherdog.com/news/news/sanchez-out-koscheck-to-face-alves-14773

Breakdown

[DBryant88]

]UFC 91 Nov 15 in LV
-Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (HW Title)
-Wanderlei Silva (#6 LHW) vs. Rampage
-Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
-Josh Hendricks vs Gabriel Gonzaga
-Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone

[BlackSwordsMan]

Wanderlei!!

[dbreiden83080]

]UFC 91 Nov 15 in LV
-Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture (HW Title)
-Wanderlei Silva (#6 LHW) vs. Rampage
-Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
-Josh Hendricks vs Gabriel Gonzaga
-Amir Sadollah vs Nick Catone

That fight is at UFC 92

[LEONARD]

Hoping for a violent KO for Alves...

[LEONARD]

I left Sengoku 6 off the list...

SENGOKU 6: NOVEMBER 1, 2008
venue: Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan

Lightweight Grand Prix Semi-Finals:
-Satoru Kitaoka vs. Eiji Mitsuoka
-Kazunori Yokota vs. Mizuto Hirota

Lightweight Grand Prix Final:
-Kitaoka/Mitsuoka vs. Yokota/Hirota

Lightweight Grand Prix Reserve Fight:
-Bang Seung Hwan vs. Jorge Masvidal

Middleweight Grand Prix Semi-Finals:
-Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Yuki Sasaki
-Jorge Santiago vs. Siyar Bahadurzada

Middleweight Grand Prix Final:
-Nakamura/Sasaki vs. Santiago/Bahadurzada

Middleweight Grand Prix Reserve Fight:
-Joe Doerksen vs. Izuru Takeuchi

-Josh Barnett (#3 HW) vs. TBA
-Muhammad "King Mo" Lawal vs. TBA

[dbreiden83080]

Hoping for a violent KO for Alves...

Why does everyone hate on KOS so much?? For such a talented guy he gets little love from the fans. He even makes fun of how un-popular he is.

[Evan]

how the mighty have fallen

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13030/denis-kang-vs-marvin-eastman-headlines-oct-25-raw-combat-redemption.mma#comments

"Dear UFC....is that contract you offered me two years ago still good?"

[LEONARD]

Sengoku 6
Lil Nog vs Rimbon Moise