Oklahoma to forfeit 2005 Football Season

[samikeyp]

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2933008)

The Oklahoma football program must forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010. Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case. Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility.

Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

[Vizzini]

Oh, I can't wait for the Long Horn fans to pile on. It should make for an interesting thread.

[samikeyp]

Baylor finally got its first win over OU! :tu

:)

[Thunder Dan]

Too bad they can't do anything about that loss to Boise St.

anyone see the new NCAA08 commercials? If I were a Sooner fan I would be so pissed to have to watch that everytime.

[Ballcox]

Oh you crazy dirt burglars, what have you done now? They're actually lucky they didn't get even harsher penalties.

I can't see losing two scholarships per season for the next two years is going to have that big of an impact for ou. I still expect them to be a top ranked team, although I don't know if they can ever live down that loss to Boise St.! :lol

[SrA Husker]

The official ruling is "Vacate" - Not "Forfeit"

This means that the games OU won in 2005 were essentially never played, making their 2005 record 0-4.

[Ballcox]

^If they were never played why would they be 0-4, wouldn't they just be 0-0 for the '05 season? Doesn't make sense.

[Thunder Dan]

Oh you crazy dirt burglars, what have you done now? They're actually lucky they didn't get even harsher penalties.

I can't see losing two scholarships per season for the next two years is going to have that big of an impact for ou. I still expect them to be a top ranked team, although I don't know if they can ever live down that loss to Boise St.! :lol

Thats 2 less players they can steal from the state of Texas.

(I'm not even a Texas fan, I'm an Ohio St. fan. But I look at Oklahoma as the Michigan of the Big12. Every year they are always hyped more than they should be. And the biggest reason: most of their team is comprised of guys from their rivals state. Oklahoma doesn't have deep talent for football, so they take all their players from Texas. It's just like Michigan. 65% of their players are not from Michigan. Ohio State and Texas both have over 70% of their players coming from the state at which school they play for.Thats the way it should be)

[SrA Husker]

^If they were never played why would they be 0-4, wouldn't they just be 0-0 for the '05 season? Doesn't make sense.


All wins were vacated. The losses stay on the record.

[StylisticS]

That's it? This is their punishment? What a bunch of fuckin bullshit. So I guess everybody can now go on ahead and have their players work at car dealerships while under scholarship, I guess. A fuckin worthless slap on the wrist. :rolleyes

[degenerate_gambler]

Oh, I can't wait for the Long Horn fans to pile on. It should make for an interesting thread.


the state of mobilehoma was founded on cheating. the land thieves are just carrying on that tradition.

that said, these latest 'penalties' are not a big deal. probably the worst one is the ban on players working for a certain car dealership.

[SrA Husker]

That's it? This is their punishment? What a bunch of fuckin bullshit. So I guess everybody can now go on ahead and have their players work at car dealerships while under scholarship, I guess.* A fuckin worthless slap on the wrist. :rolleyes


* - Lack of punishment only applies to big-money programs. All other schools will face death penalty.


(NCAA guidebook)

[StylisticS]

* - Lack of punishment only applies to big-money programs. All other schools will face death penalty.


(NCAA guidebook)


:lol :lol

[CubanMustGo]

let's see ... they were already on probation but instead of throwing the book at them they just extended the probation. Couldn't the NCAA at least have put them on double secret probation? Where is Dean Wormer when you need him, anyway??

[Ballcox]

All wins were vacated. The losses stay on the record.

Got it, thanks.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

anyone see the new NCAA08 commercials? If I were a Sooner fan I would be so pissed to have to watch that everytime.


That was an ncaa commercial? My bad, I thought it was highlights from the last two cotton bowls.




I jacked off 2.5 times when I read this article.

[IcemanCometh]

Fran just got another win!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL

So sad that it's come to this.

Coach Fran is an abortion of a coach.

[SrA Husker]

Fran just got another win!

No, he didn't. He just got a loss taken off.

[scott]

I guess the NCAA expects coaches to spend every waking moment with their players. Once OU found out what they were doing, they kicked the players off the team. How many other schools can say that?

[SrA Husker]

I guess the NCAA expects coaches to spend every waking moment with their players. Once OU found out what they were doing, they kicked the players off the team. How many other schools can say that?


FALSE

- This employment was NO secret to the Oklahoma staff, and did not come out of nowhere. Remember, a short five months before the entire nation was laughing at Adrian Peterson's sweet lease terms on a Lexus from the same dealer (OU was never put on sanctions for that incident). One would think that after this incident all other involvement with that car dealership would come to light - unless it was already known and encouraged by the OU staff.

- OU did not "find out" what was happening until the story was broken by a poster on the TexAgs message board. After the rumor came out and reporters started knocking on doors, the OU compliance staff suddenly found out about what was happening.

- You claim as soon as OU found out what was happening, they stopped it and kicked the players off the team. Does this mean it's alright to cheat, break NCAA rules, and pay your players as long as when it becomes public a year or two later the player is kicked off the team?

- OU was already on probation from the basketball incident, has constantly been on the wrong side of the NCAA rules throughout history, and the "Sooner" nickname means Land Thief. There is absolutely no way that OU is as innocent as they claim.

- OU got off scot-friggin'-free. They skated. Colorado, who self-reported an incident when they found out they weren't charging walk-on players enough for their meals got just as bad, if not worse, sanctions.

- You can't spell c_cks_cker without O.U.

[SrA Husker]

http://upload9.postimage.org/239725_616632eb25b4340f0685e067873c4863/oucheats.jpg

[scott]

FALSE

- This employment was NO secret to the Oklahoma staff, and did not come out of nowhere. Remember, a short five months before the entire nation was laughing at Adrian Peterson's sweet lease terms on a Lexus from the same dealer (OU was never put on sanctions for that incident). One would think that after this incident all other involvement with that car dealership would come to light - unless it was already known and encouraged by the OU staff

-OU did not "find out" what was happening until the story was broken by a poster on the TexAgs message board. After the rumor came out and reporters started knocking on doors, the OU compliance staff suddenly found out about what was happening.

- You claim as soon as OU found out what was happening, they stopped it and kicked the players off the team. Does this mean it's alright to cheat, break NCAA rules, and pay your players as long as when it becomes public a year or two later the player is kicked off the team?

- OU was already on probation from the basketball incident, has constantly been on the wrong side of the NCAA rules throughout history, and the "Sooner" nickname means Land Thief. There is absolutely no way that OU is as innocent as they claim.

- OU got off scot-friggin'-free. They skated. Colorado, who self-reported an incident when they found out they weren't charging walk-on players enough for their meals got just as bad, if not worse, sanctions.

- You can't spell c_cks_cker without O.U.

Pretty hefty allegations; but since you came up with a clever catch phrase, you must be right.

[SrA Husker]

Let me sum up the facts - the conclusions can be yours.

- 5 months before the story broke, the country found out about Adrian Peterson with his sweet financing (no payments) on a Lexus

- Texags reported a possible involvement between Bomar and other OU players with Big Red Imports before OU announced they found out about what happened

- OU was already on probation from the basketball incident. OU has a long history of breaking NCAA rules. Sooner means land thief.

- OU got off pretty damn light.

- You can't spell c_cks_cker without OU.



The other two or three sentences, I agree, are allegations with no proof other than what is above.

You be the judge.

[scott]

Well, you are incorrect on your very first "fact"... not a good way to build credibility.

Fact 2... okay, still doesn't mean anything.

#3 is pretty irrelevent to this specific situation. I mean, I don't judge all Nebraska fans I mean based on the fact that all the previous ones were douchebags.

#4 is subjective.

#5 must make your momma proud you can spell.

[SrA Husker]

How is #1 incorrect? It is fact that Adrian Peterson had a Lexus from Big Red Imports for a period of months without securing financing.

Nothing happened of it because Big Red Imports claimed it was "standard business practice"

They still haven't returned my inquiry on how I can get in on that deal.

[scott]

Well, it was a few weeks, not months.

Second, just go to North Park Lexus, they've let me drive a car for over a week in the past before I've "secured financing". Probably because I can afford their car if I want it... I can't speak for your financial situation, however.

[SrA Husker]

While i'm sure you are able to afford a car, I have a feeling my financing is at the worst, better than a college player on scholarship with no job.

[scott]

How much money you think it takes to lease a Lexus? $399/month it can be yours. While it may not be responsible, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for a college kid to get one. It is against NCAA violations for mommy and daddy to lease a car for their son?

Who knows what the situation was, but it is presumptuous to say that it wasn't a standard business practice.

And yes, I realize daddy was in jail at the time...

[SrA Husker]

I might tend to agree, but with the owner of the dealer being a huge financial donor to the OU athletic department, the whole thing smells fishy.

Also keeping in mind as you said, daddy was in jail, he's a football player without a job and with little time for one, and mommy not very well prepared to offer a lease. When I was in college, $400 month was a lot - and I had a part time job.

[johngateswhiteley]

this is stupid.

[leemajors]

i remember james brown and ricky williams driving around campus in their matching, fully loaded isuzu troopers.

[j-6]

i remember james brown and ricky williams driving around campus in their matching, fully loaded isuzu troopers.

I thought Ricky drove a Land Cruiser that he got/bought/was gifted with his Phillies signing bonus. Not that he was a virgin to alumni support or anything, just making a PSA. Our rich crooked alums are better at hiding crap than those rich crooked fuckers at OU.

Ten years later, our guys get paid in guns and weed. Or for the God-fearing unamused types, envelopes full of cash that don't require a 1099 or a W-4. You get the picture. That's harder to keep track of than non-work at a prominent car dealership in the sprawling metropolis of Norman.

Nobody's clean, but having stupid alums definitely muddies up whatever bed you're sleeping in.

[Brutalis]

i remember james brown and ricky williams driving around campus in their matching, fully loaded isuzu troopers.
Yeah well you you're only a cheater if you get caught in the big 12.

[BeerIsGood!]

Every single major D1 program, if not every single D1 program is guilty as hell of paying off the players. The difference is most of them are smart enough not to leave a paper trail. Why have the players work at your dealership at all? Just give them the damn money in cash under the table in a back alley at midnight and leave it at that.

[Kermit]

Yeah well you you're only a cheater if you get caught in the big 12.
jesus. ricky had a baseball contract. same with cedric benson. they were paid amateurs through a professional contract with mlb. this also allowed them to be walk-ons if i'm correct.

[K-State Spur]

Every single major D1 program, if not every single D1 program is guilty as hell of paying off the players. The difference is most of them are smart enough not to leave a paper trail. Why have the players work at your dealership at all? Just give them the damn money in cash under the table in a back alley at midnight and leave it at that.

Exactly - everybody D1 program cheats in every money sport. So nobody should be piling on OU too much here. Nothing is going on there that's not going on at UT, A&M, UNL, or even my beloved KSU (although probably on a smaller scale). But when you get your hand caught in the cookie jar, you have to pay the price, otherwise there is no point in having rules...so the real villain here is the NCAA.

Hell, KU has a documented case of widespread academic fraud in their football program (which in my opinion is far worse than paying the players), and it still barely registered with the NCAA. If you're not willing to throw the book at the Fighting Manginos, then you don't have any cajones left whatsoever.

[John McClane]

OU is pathetic

[BUMP]

Oklahoma doesn't have deep talent for football, so they take all their players from Texas.
and that just speaks volumes for how good we are at recruiting talent. what does that say about TU if we are recruiting the best out of their own state?

your right, the state of Oklahoma has nowhere near the talent of football that Texas has, but what do i care? i live in Texas anyway

[Holmes_Fans]

and that just speaks volumes for how good we are at recruiting talent. what does that say about TU if we are recruiting the best out of their own state?

your right, the state of Oklahoma has nowhere near the talent of football that Texas has, but what do i care? i live in Texas anyway

lol @ some sorry ass gooner saying TU.

[StylisticS]

lol @ some sorry ass gooner saying TU.
Seriously. Should we call oklahoma UO. I mean, they are the University of Oklahoma after all.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

We should also call them the Texas Agriculture and Mechanical Agriculturers.

It sounds so non stupid that way.