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boutons_
07-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Why go after Iraq? There's LOTS of cheap, high-quality oil.

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Bush's Pakistan Paradox

By Robert Scheer
Truthdig.com Tuesday 10 July 2007

As Iraq continues to disintegrate, and our top generals and in-country ambassador predict that U.S. troops will need to die there for decades in order to prevent a full-scale regional blood bath, it is important to recall the reasons why we got into this mess. The marker of what will go down in history as "Bush's folly" is that this idiot of a president invaded a country that had absolutely nothing to do with terrorist attacks on the United States or WMD threats to America while coddling the military junta in Pakistan, which was guilty on both counts.

(For newspaper editors inclined to strike my reference in this syndicated column to our "idiot president" as excessively pejorative, I refer them to one definition of idiot in Webster's New Riverside University Dictionary: "being unable to guard against common dangers and being incapable of learning connected speech.")

(yep, dubya qualifies as, epitomizes an idiot )

Two news stories this week underscore the extreme irrationality and utter moral depravity of the Bush administration in exploiting the 9/11 attack to justify the invasion of Iraq. They both concern Pakistan, the close ally of the Taliban government when Afghanistan hosted Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida terrorist network. And, as opposed to Iraq, Pakistan did have weapons of mass destruction and facilitated their proliferation to "rogue nations." Both examples provide damning evidence that Bush cared not a whit about WMD or about preventing another 9/11-style attack, because the danger of both existed in Pakistan, which he befriended, rather than in Iraq, which he invaded.

The first report details that Pakistan has effectively lifted the minimal house arrest restraints imposed on A.Q. Khan, the father of the "Islamic bomb," who presided over the transfer of nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. The second is a devastating New York Times report that the United States failed to attack an important al-Qaida gathering in Afghanistan at which top terrorist leaders were present, out of fear of alienating Pakistan's dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Recall that Bush boasted in his 2004 presidential debate with Democratic candidate John Kerry that "we busted the A.Q. Khan network," when, in fact, neither Khan nor any of the top ringleaders of his nukes-for-sale operation have ever been brought to trial. Some had to hold high positions in the Pakistani government in order for the shipment of Pakistan's most highly valued nuclear technology to go unimpeded. Perhaps it is for that reason U.S. agents have never been allowed to interview Khan, let alone subject him to the waterboarding torture reserved for those who wouldn't know a nuke if it hit them upside the head.

While American agents still aren't allowed to talk to Khan, an AP reporter had no difficulty interviewing him this week, reporting that the minimal restraints of his house arrest have been lifted. Thus, he is now, echoing that Southwest Airlines commercial, free to move about the country - if not the world. So, Bush did not bust Khan's network, but on the contrary he allowed it to function for years out of fear of embarrassing Musharraf at a time when Bush was cozying up to the dictator who had quickly pardoned Khan of all possible crimes.

Not offending Musharraf also led the Bush administration in 2005 to jettison a planned attack on a high-level al-Qaida gathering in Pakistan that U.S. intelligence had learned of. Bin Laden's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was in attendance, and the capture of the man thought to be actually running al-Qaida would have allowed Bush to begin making good on his promise to get the perpetrators of 9/11 "dead or alive."

Instead, as The New York Times reported, the mission was abandoned in the final moments, as Navy SEALs in parachute gear sat on C-130 cargo planes, because "it could jeopardize relations with Pakistan." The Times quoted Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University, as saying, "The reluctance to take risk or jeopardize our political relationship with Musharraf may well account for the fact that five-and-a-half years after 9/11, we are still trying to run bin Laden and Zawahiri to ground."

No wonder that top U.S. officials charged with defeating al-Qaida feel frustrated. As the Times reported, "Their frustration has only grown over the past two years, they said, as Al Qaeda has improved its ability to plan global attacks and build new training compounds in Pakistan's tribal areas, which have become virtual havens for the terrorist network."

Heckuva job, Bushie.


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dubya lied when he said any country that harbors terrorists or promotes terrorism (like giving nuclear bomb secrets to NK, Iran, Libya) will be made to pay. Pakistan is harboring and protecting AQ and Taleban, and dubya is doing nothing. Pakistan has paid nothing.

Go git 'em, sheriff dubya, dead or alive! :lol

Ocotillo
07-11-2007, 03:30 PM
An actual strike against terrorists hiding in Pakistan without Musharef approval might actually strengthen him politically as he would be seen less as Bush's puppet in the eyes of the Pakistani street. Musharef would have to posture and condemn U.S. actions and do something. Might not have been a bad idea since he is the lesser of two evils.

Nbadan
07-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Well, so much for practicality...


CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's deputy leader issued a video Wednesday calling for Pakistanis to wage a holy war against their government in retaliation for the attack by Pakistan's army on the Red Mosque in Islamabad.

Ayman al-Zawahri's 4-minute, 24-second address focused entirely on the clashes between Islamic students and Pakistan's army at the mosque.

The video was released by al-Qaida's multimedia branch, as-Sahab. Its authenticity could not immediately be confirmed, but two U.S.-based terrorism monitoring groups also reported it.

Yahoooooooooooo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070711/ap_on_re_mi_ea/paki... ;_ylt=Av0uvl4Lzdrm6pOKKvQQBc6s0NUE)

Cant_Be_Faded
07-11-2007, 05:54 PM
Seriously, if we just nuked the entire middle east, and pakistan, we could devote all our military efforts to rendering north korea harmless, then we can continue assfucking the world with ease like we did before all this mess.

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-11-2007, 06:44 PM
dubya lied when he said any country that harbors terrorists or promotes terrorism (like giving nuclear bomb secrets to NK, Iran, Libya) will be made to pay. Pakistan is harboring and protecting AQ and Taleban, and dubya is doing nothing. Pakistan has paid nothing.

Why would we invade Pakistan when we can hang out in Afghanistan and pick them off as they try to come across the desert?

Or when the Pakistani military is doing things like going into the mosque and killing all the bad guys for us?

Nbadan
07-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Can you say, Al Queda safe-haven? Plus, there's evidence 911 money came from Pakistan..duhhh!!!

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-11-2007, 08:07 PM
nm

boutons_
07-12-2007, 08:40 AM
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US concern at al-Qaeda strength

Al-Qaeda's operating capabilities are at their strongest since the 9/11 attacks, according to leaks of a US intelligence report. It suggests the network has rebuilt itself despite a six-year campaign to dismantle it, an official told AP.

The classified report identifies Pakistan's western tribal areas as the group's safe haven, and examines threats posed to the US and its allies.

It was compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center.

The five-page threat assessment document, Al-Qaeda Better Positioned to Strike the West, is to be discussed at the White House on Thursday.

BBC Islamic affairs analyst Roger Hardy says the report chimes with the view of many independent experts that al-Qaeda is indeed resurgent.

'Robust training'

Al-Qaeda is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official told the AP agency, paraphrasing the report.

"They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

He said the report suggests al-Qaeda has "the most robust training programme since 2001, with an interest in using European operatives" and that there were "significant gaps in intelligence" so the US may not be aware of planned attacks.

The latest thinking of US intelligence was reflected in the testimony on Wednesday - before the House Armed Services Committee - of three senior officials.

The CIA's deputy director for intelligence, John Kringen, told the hearing that al-Qaeda had created a safe haven in "the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan" - a reference to the rugged, lawless terrain of the Pakistani-Afghan border.

"We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising," he said.

Our correspondent says the extent of the "safe haven" is not clear but the current view is that the core leadership, "al-Qaeda Central", is playing an operational rather than just inspirational role.

Sustained criticism

The three US officials made it clear they think the US, as well as Europe, remain prime targets.

But they distanced themselves from remarks by the Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that the US might be attacked this summer, with one official saying there was no known specific and credible threat.

Our correspondent says that for US President George W Bush, this is not good news - at a time when his Iraq policy is under sustained criticism, it is also hard for him to maintain he is winning on the much bigger front of the global war on terror.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/6294526.stm

Published: 2007/07/12 11:39:40 GMT

© BBC MMVII

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dubya has broken and lost Iraq, and refuses to fix it with enough (conscripted) troops to win. Iraq never part of the war on terror anyway.

And to avoid upsetting Musharref, dubya allows AQ and Taleban, unmolested, to setup HQ in Pakistan. Afghanistan/Pakistan ARE key targets in the war on terror, and dubya is losing there, too.

you're doing a heckuva a job, dubya

Want tell us again how the Dems are traitors and soft on terrorism?

DarkReign
07-12-2007, 08:40 AM
Seriously, if we just nuked the entire middle east, and pakistan, we could devote all our military efforts to rendering north korea harmless, then we can continue assfucking the world with ease like we did before all this mess.

Theres no money in that, therefore, never going to happen.