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Yonivore
07-12-2007, 11:29 PM
Cindy Sheehan Has Her Daily Kos Account Taken Away (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/12/91014/1295)

A no longer useful idiot gets marginalized


I can't post here anymore because my potential run for Congress is not on the Democratic ticket.

***

If Speaker Pelosi does her constitutionally mandated duty and I don't run,
then I can come back and post.

I know a lot of you are hostile towards my candidacy. Please
understand that I am doing it for your children and grandchildren
(and my surviving ones.)
It almost makes you feel sorry for her...nah! :lmao

Extra Stout
07-12-2007, 11:35 PM
She needs to move to a country more suited to her... like Cuba.

Yonivore
07-12-2007, 11:39 PM
She needs to move to a country more suited to her... like Cuba.
Personally, I'd like to see her go to Venezuela.

Spurminator
07-12-2007, 11:53 PM
They pushed her, empowered her, used her for their own benefit, and now they're hanging her out to dry. No surprise... I don't know if there's ever been a more perfect personification of the term "useful idiot."

I do, actually, feel somewhat sorry for her because I think she was taken advantage of while she was having an understandably extreme reaction to the death of her son. While she should have had the support of her family and friends to help her cope with Casey's death in a normal way, politicians lined up to get pictures with her and bloggers like Kos got interviews with her to attract traffic to his site. They made her a movement figurehead during a psychologically erratic time of her life and she never recovered from the effects of that.

They took advantage of her tragedy and now they've turned on her. God Bless America.

Nbadan
07-12-2007, 11:54 PM
DailyKos is a Democratic Blog, but Sheehan is free to continue blogging on her own...

Spurminator
07-12-2007, 11:58 PM
Still, by the comments you can see how people have turned on her.

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:01 AM
DailyKos is a Democratic Blog, but Sheehan is free to continue blogging on her own...
Really? Can one really do that?

I think it has more to do with her tugging on Superbitch's cape.

Thanks for missing the point Nbadan. Can always count on you.

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:06 AM
Well, I'm of the thinking of I don't know exactly what Sheehan expects Pelosi to do, pass yet another useless resolution that the President is gonna veto, or better yet, cut off funding altogether and be painted in 08 by the wing-nut media as cut-and-run Demos? The Demos have no choice but to let Iraq continue to run it's course until it gets so bad that enough Republican senators and Congressmen cross the idealogical aisle out of moral reasons or the 08 election forces them to do so...

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:10 AM
Really? Can one really do that?

I think it has more to do with her tugging on Superbitch's cape.

Thanks for missing the point Nbadan. Can always count on you.

Many liberals still support and admire Sheehan, but DailyKos is a blog to promote Democratic candidates. I just think that Cindy didn't understand that image is everything to our sound-bite M$M and appearing with Chavez was a PR disaster...

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-13-2007, 12:11 AM
Pelosi and Boxer want to impeach Bush.

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Pelosi and Boxer want to impeach Bush.
Are you saying they lied, again?

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:17 AM
Well, I'm of the thinking of I don't know exactly what Sheehan expects Pelosi to do, pass yet another useless resolution that the President is gonna veto, or better yet, cut off funding altogether and be painted in 08 by the wing-nut media as cut-and-run Demos?
I'm afraid it's a bit late to close that barn door.


The Demos have no choice but to let Iraq continue to run it's course until it gets so bad that enough Republican senators and Congressmen cross the idealogical aisle out of moral reasons or the 08 election forces them to do so...
Why would they confirm Petreaus, fund the war, request a report from him in September and then start immediately barking about withdrawing.

They have no intention of pulling out of Iraq. They're merely playing politics.

clambake
07-13-2007, 12:19 AM
I think the Sheehan topic is a safe place for yoni to play.

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:21 AM
Many liberals still support and admire Sheehan, but DailyKos is a blog to promote Democratic candidates. I just think that Cindy didn't understand that image is everything to our sound-bite M$M and appearing with Chavez was a PR disaster...
I thought DailyKos was a blog to discuss Democratic issues...


ABOUT DAILY KOS

Markos Moulitsas -- a.k.a. "kos" -- created Daily Kos on May 26, 2002, in those dark days when an oppressive and war-crazed administration suppressed all dissent as unpatriotic and treasonous. As a veteran, Moulitsas was offended that the freedoms he pledged his life for were so carelessly being tossed aside by the reckless and destructive Republican administration.

Daily Kos has grown in those five years to the premier political community in the United States, with traffic of about 600,000 daily visits. (Click on the rainbow box at the bottom of the page for up-to-date stats.) Among luminaries posting diaries on the site are President Jimmy Carter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, and dozens of other senators, congressmen, and governors. But, even more exciting than that, tens of thousands of regular Americans have used Daily Kos to lend their voice to a political world once the domain of the rich, connected, and powerful.

Daily Kos is run by a staff of two -- Moulitsas and a programmer. In 2007, parent company Kos Media, LLC began a fellowship program to help fund a new generation of progressive activists. About a dozen contributing editors contribute content for the site, with 3-4 new editors being chosen from the Daily Kos community every year.
I don't find the part about being created to only support Democratic Candidates.

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:25 AM
Why would they confirm Petreaus, fund the war, request a report from him in September and then start immediately barking about withdrawing.

They have no intention of pulling out of Iraq. They're merely playing politics.

Petreaus was more suited for the Job than Sanchez, and not funding the war would have been political disaster for Demos. Even some Republicans didn't give Dubya till the Sept update....

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:27 AM
I don't find the part about being created to only support Democratic Candidates.


Try promoting non-democratic candidates...

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:27 AM
Petreaus was more suited for the Job than Sanchez, and not funding the war would have been political disaster for Demos. Even some Republicans didn't give Dubya till the Sept update....
That doesn't answer the question.

From all indications, the surge is making pretty significant progress and, yet, they've ratcheted up the rhetoric about withdrawing.

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:29 AM
Try promoting non-democratic candidates...
So, what kind of candidate is Sheehan? And, why are her "progressive" ideas no longer welcome?

Are you saying only certain types of Democrats are allowed on DailyKos? Kind of limiting debate there, aren't they?

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:31 AM
...we can surge all we want, but if there is no Iraqi army trained enough to hold the ground, then the second we de-surge the terra-ist return, thus Fallujah...

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:32 AM
So, what kind of candidate is Sheehan? And, why are her "progressive" ideas no longer welcome?

Are you saying only certain types of Democrats are allowed on DailyKos? Kind of limiting debate there, aren't they?

She's an independent I believe, and she's hardly a progressive....

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 12:36 AM
She's an independent I believe, and she's hardly a progressive....
Well, she was the darling of the Progressive party not too long ago...

But, I forget, this is the same party that had Joe Lieberman as their vice-presidential candidate just a short time ago.

Well, I hope they have fun...I know it's going to be entertaining for the rest of us.

Nbadan
07-13-2007, 12:41 AM
It's not like Progressives picked Lieberman and many liberals still admire Sheehan, but pissing on people who are on her side probably isn't too bright....

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 10:38 AM
It's not like Progressives picked Lieberman and many liberals still admire Sheehan, but pissing on people who are on her side probably isn't too bright....
You know, Dan, whatever gets you liber...er, progressives through the night.

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 03:36 PM
Personally, I'd like to see her go to Venezuela.
She needs to take Hillary with her.

Chavez nationalizes oil and the media.

Hillary wants to nationalize them too!

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 03:40 PM
So, what kind of candidate is Sheehan? And, why are her "progressive" ideas no longer welcome?

Are you saying only certain types of Democrats are allowed on DailyKos? Kind of limiting debate there, aren't they?
I have a thought. The democrats are the party of tolerance, right? Doesn't that mean they tolerate everyone that votes for them? At least as long as they stay in their place?

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 03:42 PM
She's an independent I believe, and she's hardly a progressive....
She has conservative traits?

Progressive is just another word to decribe liberal, they use it because to oppose then suggests "regressive."

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 03:44 PM
It's not like Progressives picked Lieberman and many liberals still admire Sheehan, but pissing on people who are on her side probably isn't too bright....
That's a major reson we call the media liberal. They protect their own, and piss on the republicans all the time.

xrayzebra
07-13-2007, 04:24 PM
Many liberals still support and admire Sheehan, but .........appearing with Chavez was a PR disaster...

And Pelosi breaking bread and sucking up to Syria's
dictator was what? A brilliant thing to do? And now I
understand Pelosi wants to go to Iran and suck up to
that little punk. Such brilliance.

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 04:26 PM
And Pelosi breaking bread and sucking up to Syria's
dictator was what? A brilliant thing to do? And now I
understand Pelosi wants to go to Iran and suck up to
that little punk. Such brilliance.
Yeah, she's a regular Einstein.

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 05:37 PM
You know what's scarry....

As radical as SF is, Sheehan might win!

Yonivore
07-13-2007, 05:45 PM
You know what's scarry....

As radical as SF is, Sheehan might win!
That'd be alright. She'd be a freshman congresswoman from a cuckoo district. Who'd care? And, without the support of the established "Progressive" party, she'd never get the prominence that Pelosi enjoyed.

Wild Cobra
07-13-2007, 06:01 PM
That'd be alright. She'd be a freshman congresswoman from a cuckoo district. Who'd care? And, without the support of the established "Progressive" party, she'd never get the prominence that Pelosi enjoyed.
Yep, I concluded that right after hitting the "submit reply" button.

I think we should support Sheehan in 2008! Better than the alternative, and a conservative would never win there.

I can see it now, all the conservative talk station personalities telling voters to support Sheehan!

Nbadan
07-15-2007, 12:45 AM
She has conservative traits?

Progressive is just another word to decribe liberal, they use it because to oppose then suggests "regressive."

Then there were never Reagan republicans, and conservatives left the GOP...Progressives are liberals, but not all liberals are progressives..

Nbadan
07-15-2007, 12:47 AM
She needs to take Hillary with her.

Chavez nationalizes oil and the media.

Hillary wants to nationalize them too!

Chavez is protecting his nation's only real asset. Look at how the globalist/oilCo's have ass-raped the Iraqis without a vote....

Wild Cobra
07-15-2007, 05:33 AM
Progressives are liberals, but not all liberals are progressives..
I will concede that point to you.

Wild Cobra
07-15-2007, 07:05 AM
Something I recently heard on the radio. If Sheehan runs, she doesn't plan to run against Pelosi in the primaries, but as an independent. That means she can be a spoiler, split SF liberals, and make for a republican win in 2008!

That really is quite a stretch still. Pelosi has received 80% or better votes since the 1992 election. It’s still possible if Sheehan runs and the GOP runs a real candidate and actually finances him or her.

Republican vote percentages in Pelosi’s district:

1988: 19%
1990: 23%
1992: 11%
1994: 18%
1996: 12%
1998: 12%
2000: 12%
2002: 13%
2004: 12%
2006: 11%

PixelPusher
07-15-2007, 01:22 PM
http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/2005/bush_saudi_arabia_txgh104.jpg
Awwwww...isn't that sweet? Hey that reminds me...


Saudis' role in the Iraq insurgency outlined (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-saudi15jul15,0,3132262.story?coll=la-home-center)
Sunni extremists from Saudi Arabia make up half the foreign fighters in Iraq, many suicide bombers, a U.S. official says.
By Ned Parker, Times Staff Writer
July 15, 2007

BAGHDAD — Although Bush administration officials have frequently lashed out at Syria and Iran, accusing it of helping insurgents and militias here, the largest number of foreign fighters and suicide bombers in Iraq come from a third neighbor, Saudi Arabia, according to a senior U.S. military officer and Iraqi lawmakers.

About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia; 15% are from Syria and Lebanon; and 10% are from North Africa, according to official U.S. military figures made available to The Times by the senior officer. Nearly half of the 135 foreigners in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq are Saudis, he said.

Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity. It is apparently the first time a U.S. official has given such a breakdown on the role played by Saudi nationals in Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency.

He said 50% of all Saudi fighters in Iraq come here as suicide bombers. In the last six months, such bombings have killed or injured 4,000 Iraqis.

The situation has left the U.S. military in the awkward position of battling an enemy whose top source of foreign fighters is a key ally that at best has not been able to prevent its citizens from undertaking bloody attacks in Iraq, and at worst shares complicity in sending extremists to commit attacks against U.S. forces, Iraqi civilians and the Shiite-led government in Baghdad.

The problem casts a spotlight on the tangled web of alliances and enmities that underlie the political relations between Muslim nations and the U.S.

Complicated past

In the 1980s, the Saudi intelligence service sponsored Sunni Muslim fighters for the U.S.-backed Afghan mujahedin battling Soviet troops in Afghanistan. At the time, Saudi intelligence cultivated another man helping the Afghan fighters, Osama bin Laden, the future leader of Al Qaeda who would one day turn against the Saudi royal family and mastermind the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Indeed, Saudi Arabia has long been a source of a good portion of the money and manpower for Al Qaeda: 15 of the 19 hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks were Saudi.

Now, a group that calls itself Al Qaeda in Iraq is the greatest short-term threat to Iraq's security, U.S. military spokesman Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner said Wednesday.

The group, one of several Sunni Muslim insurgent groups operating in Baghdad and beyond, relies on foreigners to carry out suicide attacks because Iraqis are less likely to undertake such strikes, which the movement hopes will provoke sectarian violence, Bergner said. Despite its name, the extent of the group's links to Bin Laden's network, based along the Afghan-Pakistani frontier, is unclear.

The Saudi government does not dispute that some of its youths are ending up as suicide bombers in Iraq, but says it has done everything it can to stop the bloodshed.

"Saudis are actually being misused. Someone is helping them come to Iraq. Someone is helping them inside Iraq. Someone is recruiting them to be suicide bombers. We have no idea who these people are. We aren't getting any formal information from the Iraqi government," said Gen. Mansour Turki, spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry.

"If we get good feedback from the Iraqi government about Saudis being arrested in Iraq, probably we can help," he said.

Defenders of Saudi Arabia pointed out that it has sought to control its lengthy border with Iraq and has fought a bruising domestic war against Al Qaeda since Sept. 11.

"To suggest they've done nothing to stem the flow of people into Iraq is wrong," said a U.S. intelligence official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "People do get across that border. You can always ask, 'Could more be done?' But what are they supposed to do, post a guard every 15 or 20 paces?" (I'll have to save this quote for the next "Border Fence" thread that pops up on this board)

Deep suspicions

Others contend that Saudi Arabia is allowing fighters sympathetic to Al Qaeda to go to Iraq so they won't create havoc at home.

Iraqi Shiite lawmaker Sami Askari, an advisor to Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, accused Saudi officials of a deliberate policy to sow chaos in Baghdad.

"The fact of the matter is that Saudi Arabia has strong intelligence resources, and it would be hard to think that they are not aware of what is going on," he said.

Askari also alleged that imams at Saudi mosques call for jihad, or holy war, against Iraq's Shiites and that the government had funded groups causing unrest in Iraq's largely Shiite south. Sunni extremists regard Shiites as unbelievers.
Other Iraqi officials said that though they believed Saudi Arabia, a Sunni fundamentalist regime, had no interest in helping Shiite-ruled Iraq, it was not helping militants either. But some Iraqi Shiite leaders say the Saudi royal family sees the Baghdad government as a proxy for its regional rival, Shiite-ruled Iran, and wants to unseat it.

With its own border with Iraq largely closed, Saudi fighters take what is now an established route by bus or plane to Syria, where they meet handlers who help them cross into Iraq's western deserts, the senior U.S. military officer said.

He suggested it was here that Saudi Arabia could do more, by implementing rigorous travel screenings for young Saudi males. Iraqi officials agreed.

"Are the Saudis using all means possible? Of course not…. And we think they need to do more, as does Syria, as does Iran, as does Jordan," the senior officer said. An estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters cross into Iraq each month, according to the U.S. military.

"It needs to be addressed by the government of Iraq head on. They have every right to stand up to a country like Saudi Arabia and say, 'Hey, you are killing thousands of people by allowing your young jihadists to come here and associate themselves with an illegal worldwide network called Al Qaeda."

Both the White House and State Department declined to comment for this article. (Naturally...)

Turki, the Saudi spokesman, defended the right of his citizens to travel without restriction.

"If you leave Saudi Arabia and go to other places and find somebody who drags them to Iraq, that is a problem we can't do anything about," Turki said. He added that security officials could stop people from leaving the kingdom only if they had information on them.

U.S. officials had not shared with Iraqi officials information gleaned from Saudi detainees, but this has started to change, said an Iraqi source, who asked not to be identified. For example, U.S. officials provided information about Saudi fighters and suicide bombers to Iraqi security officials who traveled to Saudi Arabia last week.

Iraqi advisor Askari asserted that Vice President Dick Cheney, in a visit to Saudi Arabia in May, pressured officials to crack down on militant traffic to Iraq. But that message has not yet produced results, Askari said.

The close relationship between the U.S. and oil-rich Saudi Arabia has become increasingly difficult.

Saudi leaders in early February undercut U.S. diplomacy in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute by brokering, in Mecca, an agreement to form a Fatah-Hamas "unity" government in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And King Abdullah took Americans by surprise by declaring at an Arab League gathering that the U.S. presence in Iraq was illegitimate.

U.S. officials remain sensitive about the relationship. Asked why U.S. officials in Iraq had not publicly criticized Saudi Arabia the way they had Iran or Syria, the senior military officer said, "Ask the State Department. This is a political juggernaut."

Last week when U.S. military spokesman Bergner declared Al Qaeda in Iraq the country's No. 1 threat, he released a profile of a thwarted suicide bomber, but said he had not received clearance to reveal his nationality. The bomber was a Saudi national, the senior military officer said Saturday.

Would-be suicide bomber

The fighter, a young college graduate whose mother was a teacher and father a professor, had been recruited in a mosque to join Al Qaeda in Iraq. He was given money for a bus ticket and a phone number to call in Syria to contact a handler who would smuggle him into Iraq.

Once the young Saudi made it in, he was under the care of Iraqis who gave him his final training and indoctrination. At the very last minute, the bomber decided he didn't want to blow himself up. He was supposed to have been one of two truck bombers on a bridge outside Ramadi. When the first truck exploded, he panicked and chose not to trigger his own detonator, and Iraqi police arrested him.

Al Qaeda in Iraq and its affiliate groups number anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 individuals, the senior U.S. military officer said. Iraqis make up the majority of members, facilitating attacks, indoctrinating, fighting, but generally not blowing themselves up. Iraqis account for roughly 10% of suicide bombers, according to the U.S. military.

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My only beef with this article is whoever writes the headlines at the L.A. Times obviously didn't get the memo; we don't say "insurgents" anymore, all bad guys anywhere in Iraq are now "al Qaeda".