Looks like the Spurs are getting Udoka

[ploto]

This crazy-ass Scola trade was about getting rid of Butler that Pop couldn't stand and wanted out of here as confirmed by both Ludden and a guy who is cloose friends of a Spurs team member.
A friend who just got a new contract from the Spurs- I am SURE there is no conflict of interest and that everything the Spurs tell him is true. Just like his buddy Beno's excuses are true, too. :lol

[djohn14]

Here we go bashing the trade again.

[picnroll]

$100,000 does not equal $3 or $4M in luxury tax. Try $2 million lost by being over and not getting a share of the luxury tax bootie. Try getting one simple thing right for once.

[ploto]

Actually you still get a tax share- just not a full one. Try again.

The point was that the Spurs have been willing to go a couple hundred thousand into luxury tax but not millions and millions and millions. Why do you think they traded for Ely- saved $1M in luxury tax this year.

[picnroll]

Actually you still get a tax share- just not a full one. Try again.
per Bruno who actually unlike you knows his shit.

$55.6M were collected last year with the luxury tax.

The 25 teams under the tax get 1/30th of the money collected ($1.85M).
The 5 * 1/30th not given to teams under the tax ($9.26M) has been used by the league to help teams that lose money.

Since the Spurs did not lose money they got nothing.

Stop trying. Find a Raptor board and whine to them about the mean Spurs.

[ploto]

The CBA is set up to redistribute the money if the League does not use it. Just because they decided to use it that year does not mean the provision does not exist in the CBA. I know they used it up- to help out the Hornets primarily. Does not change the CBA.

[ploto]

You just want to change the topic. The Spurs WILL NOT pay $4M in luxury tax to sign him for $4M. Salary HAS to be dumped somewhere.

[ploto]

You're wrong.
Portland can't do a S&T with Udoka.
They CAN. Maybe you meant Portland WON'T. Or he won't agree to that salary. But technically they CAN.

[MannyIsGod]

A friend who just got a new contract from the Spurs- I am SURE there is no conflict of interest and that everything the Spurs tell him is true. Just like his buddy Beno's excuses are true, too. :lolDid you just try to paint yourself as one of the more objective posters by default?

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHA
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Ok.

I'm done.

[ploto]

No- I have always been clear and upfront in my perspective.

[T Park]

Yup

White guys > any other race.

[picnroll]

No- I have always been clear and upfront in my perspective.
btw when am I going to start missing Rasho, before or after I start missing Butler?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ime Udoka!

[AFBlue]

Ime Udoka!

Think smaller and more definite....

MARCUS WILLIAMS!

[Hoy]

The report of signing seems to have died a premature death.
Or, the premature signing seems to have died a natural death.

[Mr. Body]

The report of signing seems to have died a premature death.
Or, the premature signing seems to have died a natural death.

Sounds like it didn't happen at all, isn't close yet, and many teams are still after Udoka. Premature to say the least.

[Solid D]

Plus...it's the weekend. Announcements of agreements and signings tend to slow down during weekends.

[AFBlue]

I wonder if Spurs are actually considering tendering an offer to Travis Outlaw, while simultaneously offering a contract to Udoka....using the full MLE and putting pressure on the Blazers....

Probably not....

[djohn14]

Why do we keep saying...

Ime Udoka

[AFBlue]

Why do we keep saying...

Ime Udoka

What do you mean? Like why do we think there is legitimate interest...?

His name has been linked to the Spurs in a few different reliable places...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ime Udoka!

[callo1]

btw when am I going to start missing Rasho, before or after I start missing Butler?


Pwned !!

[Leetonidas]

So is this really all the info we have? There has to be some more articles about this somewhere...

[duncan228]

So is this really all the info we have? There has to be some more articles about this somewhere...

Got a Hoopsworld for what it's worth.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22768.shtml

Spurs: Scola Trade Explained; Udoka Signing Imminent

By Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 14, 2007, 14:12


San Antonio Spurs fans went through the roof when they heard about the trade. It's not official yet because Jackie Butler has to leave Las Vegas to fly to Houston and pass a physical with the Rockets, but pending that the Spurs have traded Butler and the rights to Luis Scola to Houston for Vassilis Spanoulis.

Spurs fans have been up in arms since hearing about the deal. Scola, after all, is an international powerhouse. He's been a big part of Olympic success and has built in chemistry with Spurs stars Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto, who play alongside him for Argentina. He's a 20 and ten guy, and those just don't come along every day. Why would the Spurs trade him for a point guard that didn't play in Houston last year?

No disrespect to V-Span. He's an international star in is own right, and was sold a bill of goods by the Rockets that was cancelled by Jeff Van Gundy. He wound up riding the bench after being told he's be in the rotation, and that's not entirely his fault. He didn't play well in preseason, and for Van Gundy that was enough to justify benching him . . .forever.

This trade wasn't about Spanoulis, any way. It was about finding the heir apparent to Bruce Bowen, and the word out of Portland is that the Spurs have done that. Jason Fleming, who covers the Trail Blazers for Basketball News feels Udoka is the next premier defender in the NBA and often compares him to Bowen. Udoka has a knack for hitting the three (41% in 2006-07), has long arms and the quickness to disrupt passing lanes, and - bonus - he's a decent free throw shooter. Having spent time as both a Laker and a Knick, Udoka didn't really hit his NBA stride until he joined Portland, where he became a regular rotation player and averaged 8.4 points per game last season. He's been getting plenty of love on the free agent market, but it seems the Spurs will be the ones to nab him, offering three years and $12 million.

Of course, the Spurs don't have any cap space, so a trade was needed. Spurs scouts were certain that Scola was never going to join San Antonio. He wants to start, and that just isn't going to happen on a team with Tim Duncan, the league's top power forward. In Houston Scola will start and he'll play a significant role in their success. The Rockets were in desperate need a four, and Scola is exactly what they needed at that position. As a trade off they also took Butler, who is unlikely to be a rotation guy for Houston but could come in and give up a few fouls here and there.

Whether or not Spanoulis comes back to the NBA is really beside the point. He swears he won't, having packed up and moved back to Greece within minutes of the Rockets' season coming to an end. His stance may change if the Spurs say the right things, but ultimately it's not what this deal was about. The Spurs got the cap room they needed to sign their top free agent prospect and they did it by giving up a piece that was never going to be part of the team.

[T Park]

Damn, hoopsworld :(

[Streakyshooter08]

3 years/12 mio is a lot imo... they would be very well over the cap. I wonder if Barry is on his way out.

[timvp]

Now that HoopsWorld is reporting it, I think it's safe to give up on the thought of Udoka being a Spur.

:depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Now that HoopsWorld is reporting it, I think it's safe to give up on the thought of Udoka being a Spur.

:depressed

[duncan228]

Damn, hoopsworld :(

I said for what it's worth! :lol

[duncan228]

Now that HoopsWorld is reporting it, I think it's safe to give up on the thought of Udoka being a Spur.

:depressed

Hey, Leetonidas seemed desparate for more info. Any info.
It was all that was out there! :lmao

[timvp]

On top of that did HoopsWorld really just call Scola a 20 and 10 guy? :rolleyes

[ShoogarBear]

On top of that did HoopsWorld really just call Scola a 20 and 10 guy? :rolleyesThat's a 7 and 3 guy x 3 years.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

They're also the same people who said Michael Finley was gonna sign with the Magic last year.

[objective]

lol, I think a lot of Scola, but 20 & 10?

I don't think Scola will ever average either the 20 or the 10 in any of his NBA seasons even once.

[FromWayDowntown]

On top of that did HoopsWorld really just call Scola a 20 and 10 guy? :rolleyes

You must have missed HoopsWorld's report about the new measure to extend NBA games from 48 minutes to 96 minutes.

[Ken Loomis]

:lmao :lmao Well so much for that move happening.

[dallaskd]

is this Udoka guy any good?

[djohn14]

He's not bad. Nothing special, but he is a Spurs type player. Good D and can hit the 3.

[Ken Loomis]

is this Udoka guy any good?

He is a Bruce Bowen type of player but the Spurs werent even going to get him.

[ploto]

Now that HoopsWorld is reporting it, I think it's safe to give up on the thought of Udoka being a Spur.

:depressed
Tough week. :drunk

[timvp]

Tough week. :drunk
And no one enjoys it as much as you :rolleyes

[ArgSpursFan]

BTW,I hope you feeling good with Scola becoming the highest paid 2nd rounder ever.

[mardigan]

BTW,I hope you feeling good with Scola becoming the highest paid 2nd rounder ever.
Michael Redd, Arenas, Manu, Boozer all make more money

[Solid D]

BTW,I hope you feeling good with Scola becoming the highest paid 2nd rounder ever.

?

[ArgSpursFan]

talking about 1st contract.TIMVP knows what I´m talking about

[timvp]

?


http://feverfeverfever.com/images/phodge/trolling-cape-bowling-green.jpg

[timvp]

talking about 1st contract.TIMVP knows what I´m talking aboutSo the same team will have signed the first and second highest paid second round draft picks of all-time.

Congrats :jack

[exstatic]

BTW,I hope you feeling good with Scola becoming the highest paid 2nd rounder ever.
I'm feeling good that it's not SA paying the highest ever deal for a player unproven in the NBA, and unlikely to get more than spot minutes here.

[Solid D]

Ah, I see.

[picnroll]

Tough week. :drunk
Can't all be weeks like dumping Rasho for Bonner. :elephant

[J.T.]

Yup

White guys > any other race.

Always bet on black.

You lose.

[Solid D]

Always bet on black.

You lose.

I don't want to speak for T Park, but I'm pretty sure he was making a sarcastic remark to a previous poster. Certainly not something to joke about, though.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Always bet on black.

You lose.

Dude, just stay out of conversations you're late to the party on.

His comment was addressed at ploto, who seems to think that Jack Hailey > Michael Jordan, due to skin pigmentation.

[ploto]

And no one enjoys it as much as you :rolleyes
Hey- I wrote you a nice post about how sincerely I felt bad for you that Butler got traded when you had such hopes for him on the Spurs one year ago- and that I understood. I even offered to change my motto to I love Jackie Butler just for you.

[ploto]

Yup

White guys > any other race.
You singlehandedly disprove that theory.

[Supergirl]

Man, that would ROCK. Udoka would fit in GREAT here. He's that athletic 3 we've been looking for, and he's a tough defender.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

oh my god
we aren't getting anyone this summer are we

fire duncan

hire pops son to replace him

call the express news


the team is going awol





rofl

[MannyIsGod]

You singlehandedly disprove that theory.LOL

[biba]

An all interesting discussion on "Blazer's Edge:a site by and for Blazer fans" about re-signing Ime Udoka or Travis Outlaw.

I hope it's not useless for ST as for today.

http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/7/2/3557/60690

At a point, they compare Udoka and Bowen:

"Bowen's a better defender than Udoka...
...you mean.

Udoka's a bit better on offense, though the difference between five and six points a game is nothing to write home about.

But Udoka is nowhere near Bowen's class as a defender. (Or Artest for that matter). Udoka gets lit up by anyone who can both jump and shoot, as he has no ability to bother the shot of larger athletic threes. And unlike Bowen, he doesn't compensate by sticking out his foot under jumpshooters (which is one way to deal with the problem--make the opponent afraid to shoot over you...) Udoka is fundamentally sound, hustles, and keeps his man in front of him most of the time, but he doesn't have the physical attributes to be a world-class defender.

On a scale of zero to ten, where 0 is Adam Morrison or Pete Maravich, 10 is a guy like Scottie Pippen or Michael Cooper in his prime, and five is an average NBA defender--Udoka is probably about a six. Bowen is probably about a nine, Artest about an eight.

However, at six, Udoka was still the best perimeter defender on the team last season. Roy finished the year at about 4-5, JJ was about 3-4 (he can't fight through picks and is routinely beaten by quicker guys), as was Freddie, and none of Dickau/Sergio/Webster/Juan Dixon play anything remotely resembling acceptable defense.

Damn. I sound like Charley Rosen.


by EngineerScotty on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:48:41 PM EDT"
[ Parent ]

[mystargtr34]

Just an opinion. Arm length (height also) and lateral quickness are the key ingredients to being a good defensive player. Udoka has both, it would be nice if he were an inch or two taller but i certaintly think he could replace Bowen adequately - if we do sign him.

[Streakyshooter08]

I noticed that the Blazers are pretty loaded at the PG position (Blake, Rodriguez, Jack, Green) right now. I wonder if the Spurs are trying get one of their PGs along with Udoka. The only problem is that I don't see any players outside of Barry that Portland might be interested in...

[Bruno]

I noticed that the Blazers are pretty loaded at the PG position (Blake, Rodriguez, Jack, Green) right now. I wonder if the Spurs are trying get one of their PGs along with Udoka. The only problem is that I don't see any players outside of Barry that Portland might be interested in...

Udoka is an unrestricted free agent and Blazers can't even do a sign and trade with him.
Spurs won't get Udoka by doing a trade with Blazers.

[Solid D]

There are situations where unrestricted FAs agree to sign and then be traded. A case in point: Rashard Lewis.

[mystargtr34]

Worth a look into their PG situation. They basically have a college team there, i would think KP would be looking to add some veteran leadership/experience. Barry can provide that for a year and they also get an expiring contract at the end of it.

The major snag is the size of Barry's contract, none of the young PG's for the Blazers are making anywhere near what Barry is. Taureen Green is one worth going after to start of as the third string and eventually replace Vaughan as the back up. That would leave us set at PG

[Bruno]

There are situations where unrestricted FAs agree to sign and then be traded. A case in point: Rashard Lewis.

Udoka isn't in the same case than Lewis.
I've explained why Udoka can't be S&T to a $3M or $4M salary in a previous post :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1854161&postcount=239

[mystargtr34]

Travis Outlaw would be perfect :D

[ploto]

Udoka isn't in the same case than Lewis.
I've explained why Udoka can't be S&T to a $3M or $4M salary in a previous post :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1854161&postcount=239
Not that it is enough for the S&T anyway- but the reports I read all talk about Udoka making bi-annual exemption type money and no where near $4M per season. I am still at a loss that the Spurs would pay him twice that much, even if they do shed Barry's salary somehow. There does not seem to be a bidding war going on.

[inconvertible]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ime_Udoka


3years 12mil?

[Bruno]

I read all talk about Udoka making bi-annual exemption type money

AFAIK, Udoka getting LLE money is only a writer speculation.
9/3 is to me a fair contract for Udoka.
12/3 is overpaying for a 30 years old journeyman who has had one good year with a quite bad team but it's still way better than giving 27/6 to Carroll or 24/4 to Kapono.

[Spurs Brazil]

AFAIK, Udoka getting LLE money is only a writer speculation.
9/3 is to me a fair contract for Udoka.
12/3 is overpaying for a 30 years old journeyman who has had one good year with a quite bad team but it's still way better than giving 27/6 to Carroll or 24/4 to Kapono.

Agree, I think if it's 12/3 the Spurs should have the option on the 3rd year

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Better slasher than Bowen but mostly a spot up shooter from the corner threes.

Udoka shot 42.2% of his shots from beyond the three-point line last year. Bowen for his career has shot 42.6% of his shots from beyond the three-point line.

Basically, Udoka is a Bowen clone minus two inches in height and plus 20 pounds in muscle.


I thought he was listed as 6' 6".

[Admidave50]

Make this happen already please!

[spurs4real]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/youbethegm/?/blazers/youbethegm/content/comments_udoka.html

great comments comparing him to Bruce Bowen

I could care less that he's from Portland. I could care less about his character. If he shows up to play and practice, that's all I ask for. That being said, the PO needs a Bruce Bowen-type piece for the team to play as a whole, someone who's not constantly looking for their shot, but will take it when needed. Plus, he can defend like Johnny Cochran and should come at a discount. He should start for three years until Outlaw is read to rep the 503. Rip City, Larson out.

Ime is certainly a good player for the right price. He's a solid defender and a player in the mold of a Bruce Bowen who knows his role and does it quietly and effectively. However, this shouldn't be a cue to break the bank to keep him. A two year deal at about 3 million per year sounds reasonable. Plus, being a role player on a bad team, I highly doubt anyone else will offer him more.

our Bruce Bowen enough said !!!!!!!!!!!

Worst case scenario? Ime would make a great 6th man. We asked this guy to match against the opponent's best player (typically someone taller or stronger than him), and he managed to shut most of them down. That's a skill we can always use. He's developed an accurate 3-point shot which aides in spreading the floor. Another skill we can always use. He's versatile. He can play the 2 or the 3. Again a skill this team can use. I hope Ime is a big part of this franchise. Is he the next Bruce Bowen? I don't know if I'd go that far, but he's exactly the type of guy Nate needs coming off of the bench next year to solidify his 2nd unit.

Udoka is the Bruce Bowen of the Blazers. He is a must keep. Check out their stats side by side for the 06-07 season. Eerily similar but Udoka could be the better player here. Bowen Udoka 30 min per gm 28.4 min per gm 40.5% FG 46.1 FG 38.4% 3PT 40.6 3PT 58.9% FT 74.2 FT 2.7 RB 3.7 RB 1.4 AST 1.5 AST 0.8 TO 1.0 TO 0.8 ST 1.0 ST There's a slim chance another team will offer him a longer contract with more money. If we have to get rid of a player, I hope that player is Martell Webster. That kid has no hope.

Ime isn't a long-term solution at SF, but he is the team's best perimeter defender and he brings a sense of stability to the lineup. I do think Outlaw and Webster have more upside, and they can probably find someone in the draft with even more, but none of them are going to provide what Ime provides NOW. So lets sign Ime for a 2-3 year contract. He can contribute similar to Raja Bell in Phoenix or Bruce Bowen in SA. By the time his contract ends, he'll be 33, and at least one of the youngsters will have developed by then.

[ploto]

AFAIK, Udoka getting LLE money is only a writer speculation.
9/3 is to me a fair contract for Udoka.

I read it from more than one writer- and there seems to be no reason for the Spurs to overpay him. Why doesn't he do like Bruce did- take the minimum to get to the Spurs?

[Mr. Body]

Probably will be 3/yr $12M. $4M a year is pushing it for this kind of player, but he will improve the team.

[Marcus Bryant]

So they won't even use the full MLE this summer. Yay. :jack

[timvp]

I read it from more than one writer

Recently? Links?

Didn't think so.

[Bruno]

Why doesn't he do like Bruce did- take the minimum to get to the Spurs?

Why would he do that ?
Playing BB is his job and when you choose a job, the salary is a big factoer in your decision.

[Extra Stout]

Does anybody think the Spurs will wait to see if they can dump Barry's salary before they sign Udoka?

[Mr. Body]

Does anybody think the Spurs will wait to see if they can dump Barry's salary before they sign Udoka?

I don't see how they do sign Udoka without dumping Barry's salary.

[Leetonidas]

I wonder what the hold up is. Too much CIA going on here.

Spurs are going to somehow get Travis Outlaw and Ime Udoka and trade away Barry and Beno. :lmao

[whottt]

They are wating to see if they can convince Vaginis to come back. What else could the hold up be?

[Spurs Brazil]

What appears to be a lock is the signing of Outlaw, the fifth-year forward who is coming off his best season. McMillan and Pritchard said they are intent on signing Outlaw to a free agent contract.

"The big thing for us now is to get Travis signed," McMillan said Sunday. "As soon as we do that, we go into the season with that roster."

On Monday, Outlaw indicated that he is leaning toward re-signing with the Blazers.

"They are a young team that looks like they are going to be a running team, and I do like to run," Outlaw said from his home in Mississippi. "And I do like Portland."

Outlaw said he thinks his agent, Bill Duffy, is nearing completion of a deal and said he hopes he can sign a contract "sooner than later."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1184640910214870.xml&coll=7

[Streakyshooter08]

What appears to be a lock is the signing of Outlaw, the fifth-year forward who is coming off his best season. McMillan and Pritchard said they are intent on signing Outlaw to a free agent contract.

"The big thing for us now is to get Travis signed," McMillan said Sunday. "As soon as we do that, we go into the season with that roster."

On Monday, Outlaw indicated that he is leaning toward re-signing with the Blazers.

"They are a young team that looks like they are going to be a running team, and I do like to run," Outlaw said from his home in Mississippi. "And I do like Portland."

Outlaw said he thinks his agent, Bill Duffy, is nearing completion of a deal and said he hopes he can sign a contract "sooner than later."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1184640910214870.xml&coll=7

Hm... this indicates that they already know Udoka is gone... :stirpot: :smokin

[jag]

Hm... this indicates that they already know Udoka is gone... :stirpot: :smokin

But to what team? It seems that the spurs arent the only ones with an interest in Udoka.

[Streakyshooter08]

But to what team? It seems that the spurs arent the only ones with an interest in Udoka.

That the reason I hope it means that he will sign with the Spurs soon. I hope the only reason they have not signed him is that they are trying to get somebody better...

[Bruno]

Blazers don't even have a roster spot for Udoka :

PG : Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green
SG : Roy/Webster
SF : Outlaw/Jones/Miles
PF: Aldridge/Frye/McRoberts
C: Oden/Przybilla/LaFrentz.

That's 15 players.

[timvp]

If the Spurs and Udoka were as close as the tlong blog reported, the deal would be done by now. Neither party has any reason to wait. The Spurs don't want a team to get desperate and outbid them on Udoka. Udoka's camp wouldn't want to wait around with solid other options such as Posey, Barnes and Pietrus still on the market.

Since it's not done yet, I'm guessing there are multiple teams in the running and Udoka has to pick the team he wants. Usually the Spurs don't try to outbid teams and would rather a player join the team because they want to join the team ... not because the Spurs are offering the most money.

However, Udoka is the only cheap wing option that fills a long-term need for the Spurs. If the Spurs miss on him, I'm not sure where they go next.

[timvp]

Too bad Ruben Patterson is a nut case or else he'd make a perfect Spur. You put a motivated Patterson and Bowen on the court at the same time and you'd have one of the best perimeter duos of all-time.

Hopefully no one in the west signs Patterson because he guards Manu better than anyone in the league.

[AFBlue]

If the Spurs and Udoka were as close as the tlong blog reported, the deal would be done by now. Neither party has any reason to wait. The Spurs don't want a team to get desperate and outbid them on Udoka. Udoka's camp wouldn't want to wait around with solid other options such as Posey, Barnes and Pietrus still on the market.

Since it's not done yet, I'm guessing there are multiple teams in the running and Udoka has to pick the team he wants. Usually the Spurs don't try to outbid teams and would rather a player join the team because they want to join the team ... not because the Spurs are offering the most money.

However, Udoka is the only cheap wing option that fills a long-term need for the Spurs. If the Spurs miss on him, I'm not sure where they go next.

Based on the lack of interest (suprisingly!) thus far in Matt Barnes, I'm actually starting to think that he could be had for relatively the same price as is being reported with Udoka....3yrs $9-12M.

Would you consider Barnes a suitable replacement?

[timvp]

Other than taking a chance on Patterson (which the Spurs would never do), the only other fall back option I see is if the Spurs throw a little money at CJ Miles to see if they can steal him from Utah.

He pretty much sucks but the Spurs liked him coming out of high school and they've already shown with Amir Johnson that they're willing to try to develop a young player. The drawbacks on Miles are he's not that good and he's no longer eligible for D-League. Then again, neither was Amir Johnson.

[timvp]

Based on the lack of interest (suprisingly!) thus far in Matt Barnes, I'm actually starting to think that he could be had for relatively the same price as is being reported with Udoka....3yrs $9-12M.

Would you consider Barnes a suitable replacement?

Tough to compare Udoka and Barnes. Barnes is a Long Three while Udoka is a smaller player. I think Barnes is the better player but Udoka fits better as an eventual replacement for Bowen.

I'd be happy with either. Udoka is probably a safer signing because Barnes has become a little overly eccentric in recent years.

[whottt]

Barnes has become a little overly eccentric in recent years.


But we need a new anti-spur...

[timvp]

But we need a new anti-spur...


http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/ruben_patterson-arton21134-240x240.jpg
You rang?

[AFBlue]

While one is alot more flamboyant than the other, both of them play to their strength...defense. And that's something Pop is sure to love, no matter how eccentric they may be....

I also like the rebounding from Barnes and he fits a need.

I'm not saying the Spurs should overbid for this guy, but I think he was quoted recently in a paper as saying that he initially thought he was going to get MLE offers, but has backed off of that thinking of late.

I understand he's not a "Bowen replacement", but he could very well get legitimate minutes at SF, the position Bowen plays...

Bottom Line: For a similar price as Udoka, $3M/yr, Barnes should be a legitimate option for this club.

[AFBlue]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/ruben_patterson-arton21134-240x240.jpg
You rang?


What's amazing about Patterson is how well he moves despite the extra baggage. I swear I get him and Vashon Lenard, post-surgery, confused all the time.

Ruben just looks fat...

But maybe that's because I'm used to looking at Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Duncan, White, Elson, and damn near every other Spur....skewed skinny I guess.

[timvp]

What's amazing about Patterson is how well he moves despite the extra baggage. I swear I get him and Vashon Lenard, post-surgery, confused all the time.

Ruben just looks fat...Fatty can still D up.

Pop would love him ... if he hadn't raped that nanny.

[AFBlue]

Pop would love him ... if he hadn't raped that nanny.


Oh yeah, I forgot all about that. He was a Jailblazer.

I wonder what TLong has to say about him...

[whottt]

Todays trivia...inspited by Reuben...

What was the only team to sweep the 2001 Lakers all 4 games in the regular season?

Hint...they had a barry good guard rotation. Not soft at all. Unlike a certain CenTex guard rotation that year featuring a soon to be jersey retireeee.

[mountainballer]

While one is alot more flamboyant than the other, both of them play to their strength...defense. And that's something Pop is sure to love, no matter how eccentric they may be....

I also like the rebounding from Barnes and he fits a need.

I'm not saying the Spurs should overbid for this guy, but I think he was quoted recently in a paper as saying that he initially thought he was going to get MLE offers, but has backed off of that thinking of late.

I understand he's not a "Bowen replacement", but he could very well get legitimate minutes at SF, the position Bowen plays...

Bottom Line: For a similar price as Udoka, $3M/yr, Barnes should be a legitimate option for this club.


it seems as if the Spurs are willing to hand out another contract of some 3 million per year. makes sense, I guess they assume that they will be able to dump some more millions at deadline, IMO this is realistic, considering the number of expiring contracts.
they might have already offered this money to Barnes and we just don't know about it. we know that Barnes thought he might get the MLE and that he has learned that no teams wants to pay it to him.
(btw. I think it was ok when he tried to get the best contract possible. he didn't make much money in his career till now ,for NBA standards, and this contract will likely be the only long term contract for decent money he will ever get. it's not that he tried to get a contract, some other players of his quality didn't get before)

I would also prefer Barnes, but would also think MLE is to much.
as long as GSW plays the waiting game with Pietrus, there will also not be a solution about Barnes. IMO Barnes would love to resign with the Warriors. and they wait with their offer till they know what the market decides on Pietrus. I don't think that they want to keep both, they prefer Pietrus over Barnes, but not at any cost. so Barnes is kind of a insurance.
(IMO they will play Harrington more at SF, to get more minutes for Wright at PF. and in the backcourt it looks as if Belinelli can/will play more minutes immediatly, so there are just not enough minutes around for Barnes and Pietrus at SF.)

btw. what is eccentric about Barnes?

[SpurCapita]

btw. what is eccentric about Barnes?

He makes Travis Barker look normal...?

[Solid D]

If the Spurs are seriously attempting to add another Forward and they are over the lux tax threshold, the Spanoulis release needs to be contractually nailed down first. It's only $1.9M downward, but that being finalized would be a necessary gate-opener for the potential next move.

There is also that cash from Houston and where it is leveraged. Yes, the pockets of the Spurs' organization is the quick answer but what influence will it have?

[whottt]

If the Spurs are seriously attempting to add another Forward and they are over the lux tax threshold, the Spanoulis release needs to be contractually nailed down first. It's only $1.9M downward, but that being finalized would be a necessary gate-opener for the potential next move.




Seriously mister D? You think Spanoulis contract is holding something up?

I hope you're right.


Gyroboy needs to get that notification in so we can move on then...and stop talking about how he doesn't want to play in the NBA.

[bosgezen]

the only other fall back option I see is if the Spurs throw a little money at CJ Miles to see if they can steal him from Utah.

its likely that utah will not keep him because he refused to play in the summer leauge.


Even though the question was about Rafael Araujo's decision to play in the Rocky Mountain Revue, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan's answer couldn't have made more clear his feelings about fellow free agent C.J. Miles decision to sit out.
"Anybody that's trying to be with our team, you would hope that they would try to make themselves better," Sloan said. "You don't make yourself better staying at home."
Miles is said to have decided the injury risk of playing was too great with a new contract at stake, although it is not known what teams have interest in him besides Utah. Araujo decided to play as an audition for the Jazz and rest of the league.
Sloan went on to say of Miles, "I just hope that he understands that playing basketball is what he needs," and didn't sound the most confident that the 20-year-old guard, a restricted free agent, would be returning to Utah.
"We wish him luck whatever happens," Sloan said. "We've been here for two years and we'd like to see him do well, whatever the case may be."

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_6344441

[pad300]

However, Udoka is the only cheap wing option that fills a long-term need for the Spurs. If the Spurs miss on him, I'm not sure where they go next.
In order of expected expense/salary:
Swingmen:
Barnes
Patterson
Singleton
?Sanikidze?

Bigs:
?Blatche? (remember, we took that shot at Amir Johnson. Blatche is a UFA might just have more potential, and should be in the same price range; the Wizards spent a chunk of their MLE on Deshawn Stevenson)

[BacktoBasics]

I haven't figured out why so many people call this guy Bowens replacement considering he's what 31 or so. Short term answer when in reality we don't need one. Bowen can give us at least 2 more seasons.

[AFBlue]

In order of expected expense/salary:
Swingmen:
Barnes
Patterson
Singleton
?Sanikidze?

Bigs:
?Blatche? (remember, we took that shot at Amir Johnson. Blatche is a UFA might just have more potential, and should be in the same price range; the Wizards spent a chunk of their MLE on Deshawn Stevenson)

Blatche is actually a Restricted FA, and there are other teams reportedly hotter on his trail (Mavs being one of them).

The full MLE has been brought up more than once, which I'm sure is well above what the Spurs are willing to pay.

And again, since he's restricted the Wizards have the opportunity to match.

[Solid D]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=118461900157901100

Trail Blazers
The Portland Tribune, Jul 17, 2007

Weeks ago, Portland and Orlando executives discussed a trade that would have sent center Joel Przybilla to the Magic for small forward Hedo Turkoglu, but it’s not going to happen.

“We have no interest in trading Turkoglu,” says Dave Twardzik, Orlando’s director of player personnel.

“We intend to keep Joel,” Portland General Manager Kevin Pritchard says. “You can’t have too many quality bigs.”

• Ime Udoka’s price tag has dropped, but it seems unlikely the Jefferson High and Portland State grad will wind up with the Blazers again.

Portland could sign him for the $1.8 million biannual exception, giving him two years at about $3.8 million, but the Blazers will have 15 players with guaranteed contracts once restricted free agent Travis Outlaw is in the fold.

Udoka’s agent, Erin Cowan, says he has offers from two other teams — one of them is believed to be San Antonio, though Cowan wouldn’t confirm it.

“We’ll probably get it done no later than Wednesday,” Cowan says.

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.

• Another example of changes by the new regime in Portland: Broadcasters Brian Wheeler, Mike Barrett and Mike Rice have agreed to two-year contracts. It’s the first time a Blazer voice has been given a multiyear deal since Bob Whitsitt became president in the mid-’90s. Analyst Antonio Harvey has signed a one-year contract.

• Blazer rookie Josh McRoberts was one year ahead of fellow Indianapolis native Greg Oden in school. They played AAU ball together and high school ball against each other.

“Greg’s a little bigger than me, but in high school, I had to guard him,” McRoberts says. “Their team was a little bigger and better than ours. He didn’t have to guard me. He just kind of stood in the lane and blocked every shot.

“He’s one of my good friends. We hang out when we’re back home in Indianapolis. Before the draft, we’d do workouts and I’d see him every day. We were joking around about how maybe somehow I could end up in Portland. It worked out.”

With Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge out of the final three summer-league games in Las Vegas, McRoberts took advantage of his playing time and made his presence known. A very clever passer, the second-round draft choice has an excellent feel for the game, a nice midrange shot and scoring potential with either hand around the basket. McRoberts’ 360-degree spin dunk Saturday against Phoenix was “SportsCenter”-worthy.

“I played some point guard as a freshman and sophomore in high school, before I got too big to play there,” the 6-10, 240-pound former Duke standout says. “The easy part of the game for me is passing. I take pride in that.”

(Full article discusses summer league players from other teams)

— Kerry Eggers

[pad300]

Blatche is actually a Restricted FA, and there are other teams reportedly hotter on his trail (Mavs being one of them).

The full MLE has been brought up more than once, which I'm sure is well above what the Spurs are willing to pay.

And again, since he's restricted the Wizards have the opportunity to match.

You think he'll get the full MLE? That was indeed floated in a number of newspapers originally, but I suspect that was his agent talking up his man. I rather suspect that Johnson set the market by taking 11m/3yr.

The wizards have matching rights (either Early Bird or Bird), however, having resigned Stevenson (at something close to 15m/ 4yr ~ 3.5m/yr to start I guess), they are at the Lux tax limit before resigning him. I am confident they would not be willing to match a full MLE, and likely less. Other teams know this as well - therefore, he will likely not get a full MLE offer.

Dallas was over cap this year, before resigning Stackhouse (21m/3yrs) and George (2.4m/1yr). After signing them, they have 16 contracts, not including any of their rookies this year (although that does include Barea and Mensah-Bonsu, whom I'm not sure are guaranteed). They drafted/traded for Reyshawn Terry, Fazekas and Sebuitis (likely to stay in Europe). Financially, it seems insane to offer Blatche a lot, and Cuban is starting to respect the Lux Tax. Also, they will have huge difficulties with roster spots...

I haven't seen any information on which other clubs are interested in him, but I can see it being us after our pursuit of Johnson. I also suspect that he is going to get money in Johnson's range, which we have demonstrated a willingness to offer to a young big with potential...

[timvp]

“We’ll probably get it done no later than Wednesday,” Cowan says.


Good to know. Udoka's fate should be settled today or tomorrow.

Once that shoe drops, that should free up the Spurs to do whatever else they are looking to do in the summer.

How nice would it be to sign Udoka to the LLE, trade Barry (and Beno?) to Seattle for a pick and then use the MLE.

:smokin

[Mr. Body]

[With Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge out of the final three summer-league games in Las Vegas, McRoberts took advantage of his playing time and made his presence known. A very clever passer, the second-round draft choice has an excellent feel for the game, a nice midrange shot and scoring potential with either hand around the basket. McRoberts’ 360-degree spin dunk Saturday against Phoenix was “SportsCenter”-worthy.



Fuck's sake did we blow the 33 pick.

[Reckless28]

Fuck's sake did we blow the 33 pick.


it sure does look that way. i thought m. williams was a good offensive player. so what happen.

[T Park]

Thats ok, Portland can have Cherokee Parks squared.

[Spurs Brazil]

The situation with Outlaw and his contract is similar to when Darius Miles was a restricted free agent a couple years ago, but then the Blazers made a huge offer to Miles without having any other team in on the bidding. This time, fiscal responsibility and logic ruled the day.

It's probably also worth noting the contract is similar to the one offered to free agent small forward Ime Udoka by the San Antonio Spurs.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22800.shtml

[Mr. Body]

The situation with Outlaw and his contract is similar to when Darius Miles was a restricted free agent a couple years ago, but then the Blazers made a huge offer to Miles without having any other team in on the bidding. This time, fiscal responsibility and logic ruled the day.


They've been one of the best young up-and-coming teams in the last two years. Haven't made a bad move, even the small draft picks.

[mystargtr34]

Why couldnt we make a run at Outlaw? Dirk stopper anyone?

[Leetonidas]

Why couldnt we make a run at Outlaw? Dirk stopper anyone?
I'm pretty sure I saw reports saying the Spurs were interested. He probably either did not want to sign, wanted too much money, or, and probably most likely, the Blazers wanted to S&T him and the Spurs could not offer anything decent for him.

[mystargtr34]

Outlaw was signed for 3 years at how much? $12mil?

[timvp]

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.

So with Outlaw signing today, it might push the Blazers back into the running. I know they have 15 players but Portland is overloaded at point guard.

I could imagine a scenario in which the Blazers make a trade including point guard to open up a spot for Udoka. Especially if Udoka's price tag is less than $2M per year.

[T Park]

wich would screw the Spurs over in more ways than one.

Oh well.

Holt doesnt give a shit about winning, so why should we.

[whottt]

I haven't figured out why so many people call this guy Bowens replacement considering he's what 31 or so.

Because he's 30...the same age as Bowen was the year he joined the Spurs.



Short term answer when in reality we don't need one. Bowen can give us at least 2 more seasons.

Bowen is 36 years old, right now...he might be able to keep turning the clock back...but you'd be an absolute fool to expect and count on that happening.

[Mr. Body]

Obviously the Spurs should bring a couple hundred men who just turned 30 or are about to turn 30. No one would score a point on them.

[Hoy]

Because he's 30...the same age as Bowen was the year he joined the Spurs.



Bowen is 36 years old, right now...he might be able to keep turning the clock back...but you'd be an absolute fool to expect and count on that happening.

I agree that a younger wings is imperative. Just because Bruce is a marvel defying the time doesn't mean we should be complacent.
We must have at least two young players, one of whom must contribute for the championship quest this year and three more next year with two contributers.

[AFBlue]

What if the Spurs already have their Bowen-replacement on this roster....in Marcus Williams?

For all the crap that has been said of his performance in just 7 or 8 summer league games, it is apparent that he can do one thing very well....and that's defend.

I'm not sure that he can be an elite, Bowen-level defender, but then again I'm not sure Udoka could be that guy either.

I'm not advocating that the Spurs alter the course and look elsewhere, especially when Udoka might be had on the cheap...but I am saying that it appears the Spurs have a defense-oriented wing player already on their roster, and it looks like they'll at least be commited to seeing how he works out for this year.

[Mr. Body]

Can Williams really defend or is it one of those "face for radio" pseudo-compliments?

[AFBlue]

Can Williams really defend or is it one of those "face for radio" pseudo-compliments?

Granted I wasn't watching in high-def video and it's only a few summer league games, but he seemed to disrupt his opponent with his length, showed the ability to follow well off screens, and stay in front of them. He had good intensity and court IQ from what I could tell...

But again, it's one of those things where you can't really make too much of his performance (good or bad) because of the sample size.

Based on the Ludden angle, it just seems like an inevitability that Williams will be able to prove himself in Austin with alot of minutes this upcoming season.

[timvp]

From what I've seen, Williams is currently about an average NBA defender. While he has the tools and youth to get better ... he's far from being a defensive stopper on any level.

[Mr. Body]

I'll take slick passing and 360 Sportscenter dunks from Josh McRoberts, thanks! Where do I sign up?

[King]

Holt doesnt give a shit about winning, so why should we.

You say a lot of ridiculous stuff, but that one is right at the top.

[Mister Sinister]

wich would screw the Spurs over in more ways than one.

Oh well.

Holt doesnt give a shit about winning, so why should we.
Your attempt at life is failing.

[Marcus Bryant]

So with Outlaw signing today, it might push the Blazers back into the running. I know they have 15 players but Portland is overloaded at point guard.

I could imagine a scenario in which the Blazers make a trade including point guard to open up a spot for Udoka. Especially if Udoka's price tag is less than $2M per year.

What better to follow The Trade than losing out on Udoka at $2 mil per?

[Mister Sinister]

What better to follow The Trade than losing out on Udoka at $2 mil per?
That would be fail of the most epic kind.

[timvp]

Griz turn their attention to shooting, defense
By Ronald Tillery
July 18, 2007

With their need for frontcourt help mostly addressed by the signing of Darko Milicic, the Grizzlies have turned their attention toward adding perimeter shooting and defense.

Memphis has inquired about free agent swingmen Ime Udoka (Portland) and Matt Barnes (Golden State) as options in those areas. Both players are unrestricted free agents, meaning they can sign with any team without their former team having a right to match the deal.

Spanish guard Juan Carlos Navarro, whose rights belong to the Washington Wizards, is also a player of interest for the Grizzlies.

But striking a deal with Washington and satisfying the $3 million-plus salary Navarro would command is looking like a long shot for the Griz.

"We've made our inquiries but I can't put any definitive odds on whether we can acquire him," Griz general manager Chris Wallace said.

Meanwhile, Navarro told a European publication that "the Memphis thing is complicated. Pau (Gasol) wants me there no matter what, but there are other teams ahead."

It's difficult to discern which team is the leading candidate to land Udoka's services.

Udoka's agent, Erin Cowan, told the Portland Tribune that he is dealing with at least three teams. San Antonio is believed to be interested in Udoka, whose skill set is in the mold of Bruce Bowen.

Udoka averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Portland. Soon to be 30, Udoka is a tough defender and a reliable 3-point shooter.

Barnes is similar, given he connected on 106 3-pointers last season.

Wallace spoke with Barnes' agent, Dan Fegan, extensively last week during the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas. Fegan also represents Cleveland free agent Anderson Varejao.

The Griz have 11 players under contract.

Following Tuesday's introduction of Milicic, Wallace said the Griz would add only two additional players. He added that the process had no timetable.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5634011,00.html

More competition.

Not good.

[Mavs > Spurs]

:lmao :lmao Spurs cant even land Udoka.

[T Park]

Yeah he more than likely goes to Memphis.

Why they need him is beyond me, with Rudy Gay and others there.

He prob either gets bidded up by Memphis and goes there, or he goes somewhere else.

Spurs might as well give up now.


You say a lot of ridiculous stuff, but that one is right at the top

No more rediculous than an owner forcing a trade of two solid bigs to "save money".

[Bruno]

Memphis has only $2.05M left in capspace.

Memphis can't offer more than $6.6M/3 years to Udoka. They can make their offer more appealing with player options and/or more years but they aren't able to offer a lot of money to Udoka.

[Streakyshooter08]

I'd be happy when the Spurs manage to land either Udoka, Barnes or Pietrus. I think we will know where those players sign soon.

[ploto]

Claiming that the Spurs wanted to offer him a nice contract surely increased interest in him around the league from teams who wondered what the Spurs saw in him.

[AFBlue]

I still think it's crazy that the Spurs are pursuing free agents and have reportedly offered salary in the $3M range....effectively being willing to pay $6M for Udoka or Amir Johnson. And I'm pretty sure it would be similar money to get Barnes and more money to get Pietrus.

Are the Spurs looking at actively shopping Barry? Because that would seem to be the only way the get back near the lux tax threshold if they do indeed sign someone for the $3-4M that's being reported.

[Spurs Brazil]

With Outlaw's signing, Ime Udoka's future with the Blazers could be in jeopardy. The Blazers now have the NBA maximum 15 players under contract, which seems to mean that Pritchard will have to make a trade or someone will have to be cut for Udoka to fit into Portland's plans for next season.

"This kind of raises the question: 'Hey, what about Ime?' " said Erin Cowan, Udoka's agent. "That's the story line. Hey, what about Ime? And to be honest, I don't know. But you know what? It's not our decision. That's (the Blazers') decision. The ball has always been in their court."

Cowan said there are multiple teams that have expressed interest in Udoka, but he would not confirm or deny that one of them is San Antonio, as has been rumored. Cowan said that Udoka's preference always has been to remain in Portland -- where he grew up and attended Jefferson High School and Portland State -- but he was told by the Blazers that Outlaw was the first focus.

"Travis was their top priority and after that Ime was supposed to be addressed," Cowan said. "Now we're just waiting for the dominoes to fall. Are they all in place? I don't know."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1184727320182860.xml&coll=7&thispage=2

[AFBlue]

With Outlaw's signing, Ime Udoka's future with the Blazers could be in jeopardy. The Blazers now have the NBA maximum 15 players under contract, which seems to mean that Pritchard will have to make a trade or someone will have to be cut for Udoka to fit into Portland's plans for next season.

"This kind of raises the question: 'Hey, what about Ime?' " said Erin Cowan, Udoka's agent. "That's the story line. Hey, what about Ime? And to be honest, I don't know. But you know what? It's not our decision. That's (the Blazers') decision. The ball has always been in their court."

Cowan said there are multiple teams that have expressed interest in Udoka, but he would not confirm or deny that one of them is San Antonio, as has been rumored. Cowan said that Udoka's preference always has been to remain in Portland -- where he grew up and attended Jefferson High School and Portland State -- but he was told by the Blazers that Outlaw was the first focus.

"Travis was their top priority and after that Ime was supposed to be addressed," Cowan said. "Now we're just waiting for the dominoes to fall. Are they all in place? I don't know."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1184727320182860.xml&coll=7&thispage=2

Good post...

It seems like the Spurs are getting mentioned an awful lot for this to be simple hearsay. The only other team that has even been mentioned by name is the Grizzlies...and it has been noted that they have little more than $2M after the Darko acquisition.

Teams are slowly taking themselves out of the bidding, which bodes well for the Spurs. Perhaps they can get him cheap enough to where they don't have to move Barry...

[AFBlue]

Below is a blog from Brian Windhorst of the Akron Beacon Journal. It talks about a potential salary dump of Beno Udrih in order to remain close to the luxury tax threshold....throwing out the trade exception and David Wesley's contract.

Just thought it might be interesting....


–The word going around the NBA is that the Spurs are ready to sign defensive wing Ime Udoka, who had a good year in Portland last year. But right now the Spurs are over the luxury-tax threshold and want to get under it to make the deal. The Cavs have David Wesley (cap number $1.8 million, real money owed $250,000) and a $2.2 million trade exception. There may be a deal to be made there, remember the Cavs like third-string point guard Beno Udrih. The Cavs could trade either for Udrih, if the Spurs can part with him for nothing in return, which isn’t certain. Although, they just gave away Scola and Butler for no players in return.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/07/18/summer-league-wrap-and-more

[MoSpur]

Beno for a trade exception would be great.

[Gros Membres!]

I'd do that and pluck a rookie with potential from the SL, work with him this year, and draft his replacement if necessary next year. Cut White as well.

Done and done.

[Marcus Bryant]

What's the holdup? The Spurs have their full MLE and the LLE. Sign him up.

[ducks]

his agent said something about wednesday

[Marcus Bryant]

Udoka is the Spurs' best shot to maintain their defensive and offensive rotations going forward. They've already made the worst move in Spurs history. No need to compound it by losing out on Udoka at a low price.

[AFBlue]

Cut White as well.



I don't get the "cut White" talk. I mean it certainly sounds as if the FO is posturing, through Ludden and comments by coaches, to do just that....but I'm not sure I understand the reasoning.

White may be inconsistent, but he costs next to nothing, is still eligible for development in Austin, and played very well during his limited stints in SA.

I'd certainly like to see more from him on defense, and if the Spurs bring in Udoka or Barnes for a cheap enough price that they won't have to get rid of Barry then he's the logical one to go.

But I still can't see giving up on a kid with his athleticism and potential when it doesn't seem to be too much of a burden.....then again, I said the same thing about Butler. :bang

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't get the "cut White" talk. I mean it certainly sounds as if the FO is posturing, through Ludden and comments by coaches, to do just that....but I'm not sure I understand the reasoning.

White may be inconsistent, but he costs next to nothing, is still eligible for development in Austin, and played very well during his limited stints in SA.

I'd certainly like to see more from him on defense, and if the Spurs bring in Udoka or Barnes for a cheap enough price that they won't have to get rid of Barry then he's the logical one to go.

But I still can't see giving up on a kid with his athleticism and potential when it doesn't seem to be too much of a burden.....then again, I said the same thing about Butler. :bang

Yeah, it would suck to lose White because he may cost $400K instead of $200K or whatever.

[Bruno]

The word going around the NBA is that the Spurs are ready to sign defensive wing Ime Udoka, who had a good year in Portland last year. But right now the Spurs are over the luxury-tax threshold and want to get under it to make the deal. The Cavs have David Wesley (cap number $1.8 million, real money owed $250,000) and a $2.2 million trade exception. There may be a deal to be made there, remember the Cavs like third-string point guard Beno Udrih. The Cavs could trade either for Udrih, if the Spurs can part with him for nothing in return, which isn’t certain. Although, they just gave away Scola and Butler for no players in return.



Nice find.

Dumping Beno won't save a lot of money.
If you dump Beno, Spurs likely will have to sign another PG.
Spurs will save $976K if they trade Beno for a trade exception and sign a PG as 3rd string PG for the min. Spurs will save $726k if the trade is done with Wesley.

Barry is the one to dump if Spurs want to stay below the cap and sign a player like Udoka.

[MoSpur]

What about that trade exception though Bruno?

[Marcus Bryant]

It's great that the Spurs are in the business of giving away talent for free.

[Bruno]

What about that trade exception though Bruno?

I don't get what do you want to say.

[MoSpur]

Just saying if they get that trade exception from the Cavs, will that give the Spurs more $$$ to play with to try to sign someone like Udoka or Pietrus?

[Bruno]

Just saying if they get that trade exception from the Cavs, will that give the Spurs more $$$ to play with to try to sign someone like Udoka or Pietrus?

Spurs will use the MLE to sign Udoka or Pietrus.
The edge of trading Beno for a trade exception isn't to get a trade exception but to save money. However, Spurs won't save a lot of money by doing that.
If Spurs want to stay under the tax and want to sign Udoka, they will need to dump Barry. If Holt agree to have a payroll slighty above the luxury tax, dumping Beno could be enough to sign a player like Udoka.

[ploto]

Just saying if they get that trade exception from the Cavs, will that give the Spurs more $$$ to play with to try to sign someone like Udoka or Pietrus?
But you will probably need to sign another PG with some of that $$- unless you want to keep Barry and use him as the third PG.

The Spurs have the MLE to sign whomever they want if they didn't have to worry about luxury tax.

[worm9110]

How bout Jalen Rose as a backup point guard....that would be nice and wouldnt cost too much.

[MoSpur]

Spurs will use the MLE to sign Udoka or Pietrus.
The edge of trading Beno for a trade exception isn't to get a trade exception but to save money. However, Spurs won't save a lot of money by doing that.
If Spurs want to stay under the tax and want to sign Udoka, they will need to dump Barry. If Holt agree to have a payroll slighty above the luxury tax, dumping Beno could be enough to sign a player like Udoka.


Thanks.

[worm9110]

Is James White the cat that came out in the middle of the season and had a little playing time but played pretty well. I remember a game or too when one of the reserves got to play and he did really good , hittin threes and stuff. Was that White...it had to be ..its wasnt Ely or Butler for sure..

[MoSpur]

I think you're talking about White unless you are talking about Eric Williams.

[worm9110]

I just saw this on insidehoops.com , its from the houston cronicle

The Spurs cleared nearly $5 million of cap and luxury tax money with the move, as well as opening a roster spot and laying the groundwork for signing 7-0 Spanish league star Tiago Splitter, who is five years younger and might project as a better NBA talent than Scola. "(The Spurs) are going to use this deal to help themselves, too," said Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who needed a good, big move in the worst way after a sluggish start at the controls. "It turned out to be a deal that helps both teams. And we'll meet in the Western Conference finals, hopefully."

[worm9110]

yeah i think it was White...thanks

[AFBlue]

I just saw this on insidehoops.com , its from the houston cronicle

The Spurs cleared nearly $5 million of cap and luxury tax money with the move, as well as opening a roster spot and laying the groundwork for signing 7-0 Spanish league star Tiago Splitter, who is five years younger and might project as a better NBA talent than Scola. "(The Spurs) are going to use this deal to help themselves, too," said Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who needed a good, big move in the worst way after a sluggish start at the controls. "It turned out to be a deal that helps both teams. And we'll meet in the Western Conference finals, hopefully."

The Chronicle is mistaken then....because Splitter isn't eligible to come from Europe until next year, when he has a $1M buyout.

And on White...he wasn't a big shooter when he played for the Spurs last year, but he was very good at being aggressive and slashing through the lane. His shot actually needs some work...it's a bit flat.

[Big P]

I read that the Grizzlies have also talked with Udoka.


Griz turn their attention to shooting, defense(Memphis Commercial Appeal)

With their need for frontcourt help mostly addressed by the signing of Darko Milicic, the Grizzlies have turned their attention toward adding perimeter shooting and defense.
Memphis has inquired about free agent swingmen Ime Udoka (Portland) and Matt Barnes (Golden State) as options in those areas. Both players are unrestricted free agents, meaning they can sign with any team without their former team having a right to match the deal.

Spanish guard Juan Carlos Navarro, whose rights belong to the Washington Wizards, is also a player of interest for the Grizzlies.
But striking a deal with Washington and satisfying the $3 million-plus salary Navarro would command is looking like a long shot for the Griz.

"We've made our inquiries but I can't put any definitive odds on whether we can acquire him," Griz general manager Chris Wallace said.

Meanwhile, Navarro told a European publication that "the Memphis thing is complicated. Pau (Gasol) wants me there no matter what, but there are other teams ahead."

It's difficult to discern which team is the leading candidate to land Udoka's services.

Udoka's agent, Erin Cowan, told the Portland Tribune that he is dealing with at least three teams. San Antonio is believed to be interested in Udoka, whose skill set is in the mold of Bruce Bowen.

Udoka averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Portland. Soon to be 30, Udoka is a tough defender and a reliable 3-point shooter.

Barnes is similar, given he connected on 106 3-pointers last season.

Wallace spoke with Barnes' agent, Dan Fegan, extensively last week during the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas. Fegan also represents Cleveland free agent Anderson Varejao.

The Griz have 11 players under contract.

Following Tuesday's introduction of Milicic, Wallace said the Griz would add only two additional players. He added that the process had no timetable.

[Spurs Brazil]

Ime Udoka: Doing what he does for someone else
Posted by Casey Holdahl July 18, 2007 08:55AM
Categories: Free agency
Good to be back in the land of green trees, real people and cheap beer. A big thanks to everyone who said stopped by the media table to say hello in Las Vegas. Lets do it again next year.

So while I've triumphantly returned to Portland, it sounds more and more like Ime Udoka won't be doing the same. Word out of Memphis today is that the Grizzlies are in the running for Ime's services:

Memphis has inquired about free agent swingmen Ime Udoka (Portland) and Matt Barnes (Golden State) as options in those areas. Both players are unrestricted free agents, meaning they can sign with any team without their former team having a right to match the deal.
[snip]

It's difficult to discern which team is the leading candidate to land Udoka's services.

Udoka's agent, Erin Cowan, told the Portland Tribune that he is dealing with at least three teams. San Antonio is believed to be interested in Udoka, whose skill set is in the mold of Bruce Bowen.

Udoka averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Portland. Soon to be 30, Udoka is a tough defender and a reliable 3-point shooter.


And speaking of San Antonio and Bruce Bowen, the Dime Smack Daily Blog says it's bad news for the rest of the league if Ime ends up a Spur:

The Tribune also says the Spurs are likely one of the teams most interested in Ime Udoka. Just what the rest of the League needs; another lock-down style defender in San Antonio. We saw games where Udoka personally gave LeBron problems in a Bruce Bowen-ish manner, and he's not a liability offensively (8.4 ppg, 40% from three) ...
Udoka leaving might be the opening Travis Outlaw needs to do something in the League. The Blazers re-signed Outlaw (3 yrs, $12 million) yesterday. So far whenever we watch Outlaw, he's done his thing when Portland is up by 20, down by 20, or it's the end of the year and the games don't matter. One of these days he's gotta start making an impact in meaningful games ...

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2007/07/ime_udoka_doing_what_he_does_f.html

[Marcus Bryant]

And speaking of San Antonio and Bruce Bowen, the Dime Smack Daily Blog says it's bad news for the rest of the league if Ime ends up a Spur:

The Tribune also says the Spurs are likely one of the teams most interested in Ime Udoka. Just what the rest of the League needs; another lock-down style defender in San Antonio. We saw games where Udoka personally gave LeBron problems in a Bruce Bowen-ish manner, and he's not a liability offensively (8.4 ppg, 40% from three) ...

Which means the Spurs won't sign him, even though they just made a horrid trade that brought them $7 mil in payroll reduction and cash combined.

[Streakyshooter08]

:pctoss

[whottt]

I wonder how long it will take the Grizzlies to fuck this contract situation up with a stupid offer. And yes....I know MB will want to outbid the saavy team that finished last this year....and still didn't wind up with a decent lottery pick.

[barbacoataco]

As a person who doesn't understand the financial aspect of the NBA----- Can't the Spurs sign Udoka for 2.5-3 mill-yr. and be right at the luxury tax? Isn't that the same that they saved by cutting Butler?

[El_Mago]

I'm serious, Udoka and Bowen on opposing teams would be down right scary.

Parker is a good defender on most points.

Udoka can cover about any SG in an above average manner.

Bowen is lockdown.

Duncan is a beast defender on the block.

The Spurs could be scary with that tight defense.

[AFBlue]

As a person who doesn't understand the financial aspect of the NBA----- Can't the Spurs sign Udoka for 2.5-3 mill-yr. and be right at the luxury tax? Isn't that the same that they saved by cutting Butler?

Even with the Butler dump, the Spurs are still above the lux tax threshold...though not by much.

If they wanted to spend another $3M or so, they'll have to pay a dollar-for-dollar tax to the NBA. So that's why most speculate that Barry will be gone if the Spurs add another piece like Udoka.

[Streakyshooter08]

I'm serious, Udoka and Bowen on opposing teams would be down right scary.

Parker is a good defender on most points.

Udoka can cover about any SG in an above average manner.

Bowen is lockdown.

Duncan is a beast defender on the block.

The Spurs could be scary with that tight defense.

Just imagine they would also have a REAL shotblocker next to TD!!! That would be awesome...

[timvp]

Today is supposedly the day Udoka will make his decision. Hopefully it's the Spurs but the longer this drags out, the less likely that'll be the case.

[El_Mago]

How do you figure?

The Spurs are notorious for waiting out and making moves late into the off-season.

Udoka has interest from Memphis, but that can just be leverage for some extra bucks from the Spurs.

Portland could also sign and trade him, but I don't know how much good that will do them since there roster is already at 15.

[Reckless28]

Just imagine they would also have a REAL shotblocker next to TD!!! That would be awesome...


if only cisco elson could learn to play some defense, he has the speed and quickness at that position since d-rob.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

oh my god please be fucking shitting me

dude

worst offseason since drob retired and we acquired the Slovenian Dream.

[ducks]

can tim duncan get a fa to sign with the spurs
call him duncan!

[SequSpur]

can tim duncan get a fa to sign with the spurs
call him duncan!


stfu ducks.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

this is beyond horrible

omg

[ducks]

stfu ducks.
what fa has duncan got to say yes?


maybe manu or tp should call :)

[jag]

So i guess this is a no go????

[traitoravery]

Udoka would fit nicely I hope he signs....

[ace3g]

Here is an update on the SF Free Agents

Travis Outlaw (-) Signed with the Blazers
Devin Brown
James Singleton
Mickael Pietrus
Ime Udoka
Matt Barnes
Andres Nocioni (-) Signed with the Bulls
Gerald Wallace (-) Signed with the Bobcats

so that leaves

Devin Brown
James Singleton
Mickael Pietrus
Ime Udoka
Matt Barnes

available Small Forwards I think are best suited to help the Spurs

[spursparker9]

.....i thought Udoka's agent said the decision will be made by wednesday...

[ace3g]

that might have changed when Memphis joined the picture and was interested in Udoka

[mountainballer]

.....i thought Udoka's agent said the decision will be made by wednesday...

wednesday 25th

[spurscenter]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/Fernando_M/run-away.gif THAT SHIT IS SO FUNNY

[remingtonbo2001]

That's fuckin halirious!

[timvp]

Griz looking at Jacobsen, Udoka deals
By Marlon W. Morgan

The Grizzlies could have the two-guard/small forward they've been searching for by early this week.

And one of the players the team is looking at is Casey Jacobsen, who last played in the NBA during the 2004-05 season when he split time with Phoenix and New Orleans.

''We've talked to a lot of people through this process,'' Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said. ''Casey's a name we talked about at the beginning. He's been out of the NBA for a couple of years and just didn't receive the scrutiny that the other names did.''

Jacobsen, 26, would fit the bill of a perimeter scorer the Grizzlies are looking to join their rotation. He came out of Stanford in 2002 and played 21/2 seasons with the Suns before being traded to the Hornets.

Jacobsen played in 78 games, making 13 starts with Phoenix during the 2003-04 season, where he averaged six points and 2.6 rebounds while shooting 41.7 percent from 3-point range. During his three seasons, Jacobsen was a career 37 percent shooting from the 3-point line, averaging 5.9 points a game.

Wallace said he has also talked with Portland free agent Ime Udoka. Udoka is an unrestricted free agent who started 75 games for the Trail Blazers last season, averaging 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while shooting 40.6 percent from 3-point range. Portland has the league maximum 15 players under contract. The San Antonio Spurs also have expressed interest in signing Udoka.

Wallace did say the player the team signs most likely won't come through a trade. The Grizzlies prefer to hang on to their current players and future draft picks.

''It's a small group we're looking at and we could have something pretty soon,'' he said.

Wallace plans to begin the regular season with 13 players under contract. They currently are at 12.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5640123,00.html

[timvp]

Go for Jacobsen, Memphis.

:hungry:

[Solid D]

Maybe now that RC has finished helping Tiago Splitter "feel like family", he will get on his mobile phone, get creative, trade Beno to Cleveland for air, and then help Udoka "feel like family", too.

[ducks]

this guy is acting worse then the mailman make up your fucking mind

[timvp]

trade Beno to Cleveland for airThat's being a little greedy. How about Beno for nothing?

:hat

[jayfmyers]

I think we can all agree that Udoka would already be in San Antonio if it weren't for the Chinese government

[td4mvp3]

this guy is acting worse then the mailman make up your fucking mind
amen. by this point, what can possibly be the holdup? any sense that he is leaning toward the spurs but must wait for the beno thing to clear up or is that just message board echoes?

[Darkwaters]

Griz Looking At Jacobsen, Udoka Deals
July 23, 2007 - 12:16 am
Memphis Commercial Appeal -
The Grizzlies could have the two-guard/small forward they've been searching for by early this week.

And one of the players the team is looking at is Casey Jacobsen, who last played in the NBA during the 2004-05 season when he split time with Phoenix and New Orleans.

'We've talked to a lot of people through this process,'' Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said. ''Casey's a name we talked about at the beginning. He's been out of the NBA for a couple of years and just didn't receive the scrutiny that the other names did.''

Wallace said he has also talked with Portland free agent Ime Udoka. Udoka is an unrestricted free agent who started 75 games for the Trail Blazers last season, averaging 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while shooting 40.6 percent from 3-point range. Portland has the league maximum 15 players under contract. The San Antonio Spurs also have expressed interest in signing Udoka.

Wallace did say the player the team signs most likely won't come through a trade. The Grizzlies prefer to hang on to their current players and future draft picks.

''It's a small group we're looking at and we could have something pretty soon,'' he said.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/47273/20070723/griz_looking_at_jacobsen_udoka_deals/

[Darkwaters]

Hopefully the Griz are simply content with Jacobsen and don't mess with Udoka. Or perhaps the fact that they're expressing interest in Jacobsen indicates that they think Udoka is out of reach.

[timvp]

That article was posted at the end of the last page ... but yeah, hopefully the Griz sign Jacobsen to get them out of the Udoka mix.

[Darkwaters]

That article was posted at the end of the last page ... but yeah, hopefully the Griz sign Jacobsen to get them out of the Udoka mix.

Oh, sorry. I must have missed that. When I saw it on RealGM it was only like 5 minutes old so I just assumed...

I really hope the Griz jump for Jacobsen. Maybe they feel that Udoka will not be able to replicate his success of last season and would rather go with a guy like Casey. But all and all I think Udoka is far superior to Jabobsen as a prospect. So the fact that they're going to their backup plan probably indicates that the Spurs are closer than we may realize.

[Obstructed_View]

Seems like having a chance to work into a starting job on a championship team vs. playing for a team that probably won't make the playoffs is a no-brainer. Udoka might be talking to the Grizzlies to squeeze a few bucks out of the Spurs, but I can't imagine that he'd actually jump off that opportunity unless the Grizzlies go Orlando on him.

If the Grizz just signed Andre Brown and have fifteen guys under contract, why would they be looking to sign Udoka?

[Darkwaters]

I'm serious, Udoka and Bowen on opposing teams would be down right scary.

Parker is a good defender on most points.

Udoka can cover about any SG in an above average manner.

Bowen is lockdown.

Duncan is a beast defender on the block.

The Spurs could be scary with that tight defense.


You forgot to throw into the mix that Tiago Splitter, the best defensive big in Europe, is poised to join the Spurs in about a year and simply further bolster their defensive front.

Parker/Udoka/Bowen/Duncan/Splitter

Spurs All-Defensive team 2008-2009

[Fast Dunk]

Parker/Udoka/Bowen/Duncan/Splitter

Spurs All-Defensive team 2008-2009 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[ploto]

That article was posted at the end of the last page ... but yeah, hopefully the Griz sign Jacobsen to get them out of the Udoka mix.
Or maybe the Spurs sign Casey! :lol

[peewee's lovechild]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

That was my reaction to the Finals sweep.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I wish this was decided already!

Come on Ime, work it out, this is the place for you. Work your way into the system, fill your role, and you will be Bruce's heir.

I'm entirely optimistic about our chances for a repeat if we sign this guy. It'd be nice to dump Beno and bring in a young PG prospect too, but I'd take Udoka as a B offseason (still skeptical about dumping Scola and Butler, but you can see why they did it when you read a few articles about the subject).