Keith Ellison (Muslim Senator) calls Bush a Nazi, Hints at 9/11 Conspiracy

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nice...

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1291147.html


On comparing Sept. 11 to the burning of the Reichstag building in Nazi Germany: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying [Sept. 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box -- dismiss you."

I'm sure this guy will get a virtual high five from boutons and Dan though.

[Nbadan]

Whatever the cause, the Nazi used the Reichstag fire to strengthen the power of a unitarian, authoritarian leader with no diplomatic skills who got the nation into a war based on false pretense....hmmm....

[Oh, Gee!!]

if he'd a sworn on the good 'ol bible like ev'ry good 'Merican before him did, well then maybe he wouldn'ta gone and said some stupid shit like dat.

[Nbadan]

..9/11-conspiratorial is the new Kennedy-Conspirator's badge of shame...

[Spurminator]

I read this earlier and I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's making a direct comparison of Bush to Hitler. He's comparing two circumstances and I think some in the media are jumping on it because they were waiting to pounce when this guy said anything remotely controversial.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So I guess we could say he's muslim like the hijackers and blame him. I'd like to serve him a nice ham sandwich with bacon along with a big bag of chicharones.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I read this earlier and I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he's making a direct comparison of Bush to Hitler. He's comparing two circumstances and I think some in the media are jumping on it because they were waiting to pounce when this guy said anything remotely controversial.

I actually thought about this for a while before posting. Why even draw the comparison like he did unless it's how he feels?

For all of Pelosi's hate, you don't hear her calling him a Nazi or comparing 9/11 to something like the Reichstag fire.

[Spurminator]

I think he feels (as many people do) that the Executive Branch was given carte blanche after the 9/11 attacks because of the public's anger towards the terrorists, and in that respect I think it's valid to compare the two... it's not necessarily about comparing how they exploited their power, just about how they gained it.

[xrayzebra]

Well AH, seems this good Muslim has lots of backers and
apologist from all the comments above.

I'm sure he will be hailed as a deep thinker and great leader of
men so long as he keeps bashing Bush.

[Spurminator]

The fact is that I'm not saying [Sept. 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box -- dismiss you."

They can also do that when you make comparisons involving Nazi Germany, as we saw when war protesters could be easily dismissed as wacko buffoons by posting pictures of the ones with "Bush=Hitler" signs and similar sentiments.

It's a Drudge Report world and Ellison should probably find a different time in history to compare this one to.

But I don't think he meant the same thing by it as people are implying.

[DarkReign]

A muslim commenting on 9/11, using Hitler and Bush in the same paragraph, comparing 9/11 to Reichstag...

Seriously, how did this guy get elected? Did they have to gag him during the campaign? I for one dont believe he is making a Bush=Hitler comparison there, but damn dude, get a clue!

How did he think that was going to be interpreted? Another dumbass politician. Seriously, are ALL these people puppets or what?

[boutons_]

More Hilter/Nazis in the news, by Jew-hating/baiting Christian chaplins in the US Army.

Swastikas at Hunter Airfield, and a Rabbi on the Run

By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Tuesday 17 July 2007

A former Army chaplain who has been listed as a deserter by the Department of Defense intends to file a civil rights lawsuit against the United States military for refusing to discipline three Evangelical Christian Army chaplains at Fort Stewart, Georgia. The three allegedly subjected Rabbi Jeffrey Goldman to vulgar displays of anti-Semitism in 2001 and 2002.

Goldman, 35, a native of Toronto, said the Army listed him as a deserter in retaliation for speaking out about other chaplains' anti-Semitic behavior at Fort Stewart. Goldman contends that he legally resigned from his stint as an Army chaplain in January 2002 when his transfer requests were rebuffed.

Mikey Weinstein, head of the watchdog group The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said Goldman approached him last month after reading a story reported by Truthout in which Weinstein exposed a pattern of anti-Semitism displayed in Biblical teachings by chaplains at Fort Leavenworth.

Rabbi Goldman's civil rights "were perniciously raped in a literally mind-boggling, intentional manner," Weinstein said in an interview. "The Army retaliated against him for speaking out. The Army refused to lift a finger to address Rabbi Goldman's complaints despite documentary evidence that supports his claims. And now the Army is going to find itself the defendant in a lawsuit our organization will file on behalf of Rabbi Goldman for grossly violating his civil rights."

According to documents obtained by Truthout, an investigation by the Army Inspector General into Goldman's claims of anti-Semitism shows that in May 2001, Captain Robert Nay, a Christian chaplain at the Fort Stewart Army base, hung Nazi uniforms and swastikas on the wall of the officers' club at Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah, Georgia, during a May 23, 2001 interfaith prayer breakfast Goldman was ordered to attend.

In an interview, Goldman said seeing the Nazi uniforms did not entirely surprise him. A month earlier, Nay had informed Goldman that he thought it would be "funny" if he dressed up soldiers in the Nazi uniforms on Holocaust Memorial Day, a time when the world memorializes the six million Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis during World War II.

When contacted for comment, Nay hung up the telephone. A public affairs official at Fort Stewart would not comment for this story, nor would he disclose his name.

Goldman says he complained about Nay's anti-Semitic tirades to his Fort Stewart chaplain supervisor, Major Larry Sharp. In a sworn affidavit, Goldman said Sharp told him that he "needed to get along with people who hate Jews." Moreover, Goldman was then informed by Sharp that he would now be reporting directly to Nay. Goldman said he immediately contacted Rabbi David Lapp, head of the Jewish Chaplains Council in New York, who had sponsored Goldman's chaplain service in the military.

Lapp said he was made aware of the Nazi paraphernalia and the episode of anti-Semitism Goldman says he was subjected to, but he dismissed that as "no big deal."

"Lots of people collect Nazi material and swastikas," Lapp, now retired, said in an interview from his New Jersey home. "Sure, he told me about it. But that's not the issue here. The issue is he ran away from his commitment when he found out he was going to be sent to Afghanistan in 2001."

Goldman disputes that account. He said he was never privy to information regarding "troop movement" and that Lapp's accusation is an attempt to cover up the fact that he "turned a blind eye" to Goldman's numerous complaints of anti-Semitism and his requests for a transfer.

"I would have willingly gone to Afghanistan," Goldman said. "I just didn't want to be subjected to anti-Semitism at Fort Stewart. The whole reason I volunteered to become a chaplain is because I was eager to help Jewish kids who chose the military and needed spiritual guidance while being far away from home serving" in the Army. "Rabbi Lapp told me over and over again not to rock the boat in the military and that I should just do what the goyim(gentiles) want and keep four meters away from the people who were anti-Semitic."

Lapp agreed that he told Goldman to ignore the alleged anti-Semitism at Fort Stewart.

Goldman said Lapp requested his [Goldman's] resignation, which was approved by Major General Buford C. Blount at Fort Stewart, according to documents.

Goldman then returned to Toronto in January 2002. But because the Army was terribly short of Jewish chaplains, the deputy assistant secretary of the Army Review Boards in Washington, DC, overturned Goldman's resignation and demanded he return to service at Fort Stewart, documents show. Goldman agreed, but only on the condition that he be reassigned. The Army declined and Goldman refused to return. In 2002, Goldman was listed as a deserter, meaning he is subject to arrest if he returns to the United States.

Goldman enlisted the help of the Canadian Parliament to address the military's claims that he deserted his post. On July 16, 2004 Dan McTeague, parliamentary secretary to the minister of foreign affairs in Canada, intervened and wrote a letter to former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, seeking an amicable resolution to the matter.

"Mr. Secretary, it is my hope that you can offer some assistance in dismissing the charges against Rabbi Goldman," McTeague's letter to Rumsfeld states. "Rabbi Goldman has no intention of returning to the United States to be arrested and forced to endure a court-martial that he believes would not be conducted fairly. Given the documentation Rabbi Goldman has provided me, I share his concern about him receiving fair treatment."

The Army's criminal division responded to McTeague's letter on October 13, 2004, saying the desertion charges would stand and urging Goldman to turn himself in to US military authorities to face a court-martial. Moreover, the Army said there was no truth to any of Goldman's claims of anti-Semitism - in contradiction with the Army's own internal investigation.

Weinstein said he expected the Army's denials to Goldman's claims, so he demanded that the rabbi take a lie detector test to measure the validity of his allegations of anti-Semitism. The administrator of the test, John McClinton, a forensic polygrapher and former Canadian military intelligence officer, said Goldman scored a "+21" in response to questions about claims of anti-Semitism at Fort Stewart, which McClinton says suggests Goldman is "being more than truthful."

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Find me something other than truthout, croutons. Truthout is an ultra-liberal, anti-Bush, anti-military, anti-Christian web site.

And you try and pass yourself off as a centrist :lmao

[boutons_]

Shoot the messenger is always easier than refuting the facts of the story.

[Jamtas#2]

Shoot the messenger is always easier than refuting the facts of the story.

Don't you do the same thing when other posters cite Fox News or "Faux News" as you have called it?

I agree with your post quoted above, but you can't only say/believe that when it is convenient for you to do so.

[DarkReign]

I agree with your post quoted above, but you can't only say/believe that when it is convenient for you to do so.

If only everyone with an opinion held that standard. Boutons isnt solely guilty of such practices by any stretch.

[Jamtas#2]

If only everyone with an opinion held that standard. Boutons isnt solely guilty of such practices by any stretch.

No, I agree with you. And I feel the level of discourse in here suffers because of it. Too many threads get hijacked into Republican vs Democrats debates and others turn to personal attacks.

[boutons_]

Still waiting for some right-wing nut to refute the facts, confirmed by the Army, of evangelical Christian chaplain(s) baiting and harassing and mocking a Jewish chaplain, and then making the Jewish chaplain start reporting to his harasser.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

No, I agree with you. And I feel the level of discourse in here suffers because of it. Too many threads get hijacked into Republican vs Democrats debates and others turn to personal attacks.


what you have to understand is that our national political discourse is in a strange place right now, if you had been in this forum a couple of years ago you would have seen much more depth to the discussion, today however the national pendulum had shifted away from the right (not necessarily to the left, right now we're pretty centrist) because of that, many of the posters have left (this is a texas board, which geographically speaking, would be the hotbed of knuckle dragging conservatism (such as yoni, xray)) and so the discussion is dominated by two competing camps of ideologues and little is ever discussed beyond the usual talking points you hear on Countdown or the O'Reiley factor.



it'll change eventually, we're either going to shift farther to the left or the republican party is going to come back from facism and closer to the middle

[Wild Cobra]

if he'd a sworn on the good 'ol bible like ev'ry good 'Merican before him did, well then maybe he wouldn'ta gone and said some stupid shit like dat.
But we have to remember two things:

1) There shall be no religious test.

2) There is no requirement to swear upon any holy book. It's for show.

All we really need to remember is he is a democrap. Doesn’t that explain everything?

[DarkReign]

All we really need to remember is he is a democrap. Doesn’t that explain everything?

Does it?

Honest question...

Was Bill Clinton a good president? Answer any way that you like, but I am talking about his ability to govern, not get blowjobs from fat bitches who cant keep their mouths shut under the desk or on the phone with their friend.

[xrayzebra]

Does it?

Honest question...

Was Bill Clinton a good president? Answer any way that you like, but I am talking about his ability to govern, not get blowjobs from fat bitches who cant keep their mouths under the desk or on the phone with their friend.
\
DR did he govern? I really don't think he did. He
depended on focus groups and polls for most of his
agenda. That is why he has nothing really to show
for his 8 years in office.

Clinton was a good old boy. In my younger years he
and I would have had a really good time. As a person
he was just that. But he was suppose to govern and
be a President not checking out all the ladies. Or if
he did to have enough presence to act like a gentleman
and hit on someone his own age.

[DarkReign]

\
DR did he govern? I really don't think he did. He
depended on focus groups and polls for most of his
agenda. That is why he has nothing really to show
for his 8 years in office.

Clinton was a good old boy. In my younger years he
and I would have had a really good time. As a person
he was just that. But he was suppose to govern and
be a President not checking out all the ladies. Or if
he did to have enough presence to act like a gentleman
and hit on someone his own age.

Well, to be completely honest, I was 12 when he took office and 20 when he left. So obviously, I am not the best source for an opinion on him seeing as I was too young to see his impact or lack thereof.

But I dont seem to remember a country so damn divided as we are today. You know, that pains me the most. The absolute division in the citizens of this nation.

I seriously think no President should ever sit during a Congress dominated by his/her own party.

Lord help us if Dems get that in 08. I'll be bitching then like I was today if it happens. Clinton sat 6 years in office with a very strong Republican congress, and shit got done because neither could do anything without the other. The way it should be.

But if this Presidency has taught me anything, its that cart blanche in the hands of a hidden agenda are much more compromising than any blowjob ever given, anywhere in the history of the world.