who's a better point guard against the spurs?

[td4mvp3]

barbosa or devin harris? i'm leaning toward harris, even though leandro was the 6th man of the year in 07.

[Leetonidas]

Did you not watch the 2nd round this year? Barbosa was owned.

[bdictjames]

Deron Williams

[Darkwaters]

Did you not watch the 2nd round this year? Barbosa was owned.


Exactly. Barbosa got completely shut down during the entire series earlier this year. It's not even close.

[timvp]

Did you not watch the 2nd round this year? Barbosa was owned.

[td4mvp3]

Did you not watch the 2nd round this year? Barbosa was owned.
actually, that's why it struck me. i'm rewatching the suns series and got to wondering why he did so poorly when devin sliced through the spurs in 06.

[O-Factor]

I agree with the above Deron Williams

[Darkwaters]

actually, that's why it struck me. i'm rewatching the suns series and got to wondering why he did so poorly when devin sliced through the spurs in 06.


Look at our frontcourt. If we're playing two bigs then it's harder to driver on us. With only one big on the floor (a la against Dallas) we can't shot block as much and scrubs like Harris can tear us apart.

[td4mvp3]

Look at our frontcourt. If we're playing two bigs then it's harder to driver on us. With only one big on the floor (a la against Dallas) we can't shot block as much and scrubs like Harris can tear us apart.
but given that rationale, then the answer isn't as clear cut. barbosa performed poorly in 07 but against a different defensive set than what harris got. if they face the same defense, who performs better?

[Jeremy]

actually, that's why it struck me. i'm rewatching the suns series and got to wondering why he did so poorly when devin sliced through the spurs in 06.

Barbosa played poorly because he was injured and couldn't hit his shots. He had surgery on his elbow after the season.

[Xylus]

Barbosa was hindered by an elbow injury, like Jeremy said.

[davi78239]

I vote for Harris

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I remember reading in another thread that Barbosa sucked ass because he was playing through pain in his shooting arm.

[Hemotivo]

yeah, and Barbosa it's not a point guard!

[Oh, Gee!!]

billups?

[nsrammstein]

Dirk Nowitzki

[Hemotivo]

Blake

[lefty]

Steve Nash ; no question

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Barbosa was hindered by an elbow injury, like Jeremy said.

Absolutely. I bet we see a different Barbosa in the playoffs next year. The kid is a great player and he will learn from his mistakes.

[SequSpur]

harris and deron williams were tremendous

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Steve Nash ; no question

:wtf

Nash was mostly shut down by Bowen/Parker's improving D and Tim's incredible help. He turned it over like a machine. Love the guy, but the only PG who gave us any problems this year's playoffs was Williams, who was a fearless stud like Mike Bibby in the 2000 (2001?) playoffs against the Lakers. Deron is already a better player than Bibby has ever been though.

[SequSpur]

Parker rubbed his nuts all over Nash the past few years.

[Solid D]

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2003_Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_-_The_Curse_of_the_Black_Pearl/Thumb/003POC_Geoffrey_Rush_001.jpg

It's hard to put down that Barbosa guy. He keeps popping back up.

[MrChug]

We simply underestimated little Devin Harris in 06. He kicked the $h!t out of us. I thought he was awesome personally. I do think however think that if he was a serious threat at the beginning of he series we wouldn't have let him go off for what he did.

We were simply unABLE to stop Deron Williams.

[leemajors]

Barbosa played poorly because he was injured and couldn't hit his shots. He had surgery on his elbow after the season.
was this between the laker series and the SA series? he tore the lake show up.

[Nashfan]

actually, that's why it struck me. i'm rewatching the suns series and got to wondering why he did so poorly when devin sliced through the spurs in 06.

He was injured, had a tear in his elbow and had surgery as soon as the playoffs were over. Also, he isn't really a point guard in the true sense, more a shooting guard.

[Nashfan]

Parker rubbed his nuts all over Nash the past few years.

Parker didn't guard Nash, Bowen did.

[Nashfan]

was this between the laker series and the SA series? he tore the lake show up.

Yes, it wasn't leaked out to Phoenix Suns fans until the series with the Spurs was over. Apparently he should not have been playing but wanted to. Cannot say the kid doesn't have guts.

[TheZackAttack!]

He was injured, had a tear in his elbow and had surgery as soon as the playoffs were over. Also, he isn't really a point guard in the true sense, more a shooting guard.

Injured or was it the D?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Injured or was it the D?

Both.

[florige]

That little punk flopper Harris. He always seems to play like MJ against us. IMO he was the one thing that we were not prepared for last year. I know that little punk took me by total surprise.

[whottt]

Barbosa never does anything against us really, and seems to give everyone else fits...Harris doesn't seem to do anything against anyone but us.


That was sweet when Richardson just flat out abused and used Harris on that block.

[AFBlue]

Jameer Nelson's ownage of the Spurs is still fresh on my mind as well.

[Testing]

Harris how no jumpshots and gets away with more flops as "offensive fouls" than any other nba player...

Barbosa got owed because of D Antoni and his poor coaching. Barbosa is not a PG and he should stop playing him as such. More to that, they don't run the right offense through Barbosa. PLus the Spurs D on him was great.

Harris got extrememly lucky against the Spurs in 06.....just like the rest of the Mavs teams thanks to the refs. I wouldn't put too much stock in him. :lol I'd take Barbosa over him any day of the week.

[thispego]

Devin Fucking Harris?? td4mvp3, you are Stupid

[td4mvp3]

Devin Fucking Harris?? td4mvp3, you are Stupid
insightful, but more than a few folks, including timvp part of the duo running the board, seem to pick devin over leandro.

[thispego]

insightful, but more than a few folks, including timvp part of the duo running the board, seem to pick devin over leandro.
because you only gave the option of barbosa or harris..


barbosa sucks. the only thing he can do is run fast and he finishes a SHITLOAD better than Harris. Harris fucking sucks and just because he had a few good stretches in the semi finals against us last year everyone thinks harris owns the spurs :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[td4mvp3]

because you only gave the option of barbosa or harris..


barbosa sucks. the only thing he can do is run fast and he fishes a SHITLOAD better than Harris. Harris fucking sucks and just because he had a few good stretches in the semi finals against us last year everyone thinks harris owns the spurs :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
yeesh, dude, what's your point? i know i only gave two options, it's called making a comparison, kinda like all the scola vs. oberto talk. i don't see you criticizing folks for not including garnett in their discussions. i asked a question, folks answered, but you decided to start insulting folks for no good reason. even if i grant you that harris sucks more than barbosa, it doesn't negate the fact that harris played better against the spurs in 06 than barbosa did in 07 yet the latter got the 6th man of the year award, thus prompting my question to begin with. grow up.

[thispego]

yeesh, dude, what's your point? i know i only gave two options, it's called making a comparison, kinda like all the scola vs. oberto talk. i don't see you criticizing folks for not including garnett in their discussions. i asked a question, folks answered, but you decided to start insulting folks for no good reason. even if i grant you that harris sucks more than barbosa, it doesn't negate the fact that harris played better against the spurs in 06 than barbosa did in 07 yet the latter got the 6th man of the year award, thus prompting my question to begin with. grow up.
hey i dont go off on topics often, but after a week of this stupid scola butler oberto bonner vaughn shit, i'm a little testy when we get threads about who's the better pg: barbosa or harris. why so arbitrary? why do people still think harris is good? or barbosa for that matter? and why do you care in late july?

[td4mvp3]

hey i dont go off on topics often, but after a week of this stupid1. scola butler oberto bonner vaughn shit, i'm a 2. little testy when we get threads about who's the better pg: barbosa or harris. 3.why so arbitrary? 4.why do people still think harris is good? or barbosa for that matter? and 5.why do you care in late july?
1. none of those players were included in this thread
2. seek psychiatric help. it's a message board and you're upset people are posting their thoughts on it
3. as my second post pointed out, i was rewatching the spurs-suns games and saw how crappy leandro had it and how he won the 6th man award while harris is now in trade discussions but whipped through the spurs in 06
4. harris, again, ripped through the spurs in 06; leandro just won the 6th man award, he can't be too shabby
5. it's the freakin offseason and i'm bored and the "scola doomsday countdown" has grown tiresome, figured i'd find something new to talk about.

[A.C. Slater]

I was a good point guard at Bayside

[samikeyp]

I was a good point guard at Bayside

You played forward at Bayside.

You played 1Q of PG against Valley when Bayside was already up 30 and you weren't that good. Hell, Screech even got into that game.

[thispego]

1. none of those players were included in this thread
2. seek psychiatric help. it's a message board and you're upset people are posting their thoughts on it
3. as my second post pointed out, i was rewatching the spurs-suns games and saw how crappy leandro had it and how he won the 6th man award while harris is now in trade discussions but whipped through the spurs in 06
4. harris, again, ripped through the spurs in 06; leandro just won the 6th man award, he can't be too shabby
5. it's the freakin offseason and i'm bored and the "scola doomsday countdown" has grown tiresome, figured i'd find something new to talk about.
1. Every thread besides this one. I've been ignoring them but I just couldn't ignore this one... <<see the title
2. same as #1
3. we were prepared for leandro, AND as other have pointed out, apparently his elbow was jacked up.
4. "ripped" implies that he dominated us throughout the whole series... of players that dominated us in that series, Devin Harris does not stick out. harris had a few good spurts and that's it. He was not a focal point of our defense and he got some LUCKY ASS shots to bounce in. Granted some came at terrible times for us, but harris is not as good of a finisher as 2005 wcsf would have some of you believe. do you watch devin harris other than when he plays the spurs? Leandro Barbosa is WAY better than harris. but harris sucks... so what does that say about barbosa?
5. this was a horrible attempt

[Magic_Johnson]

tp was hurt last year so it was easier for harris.
they suck vs the spurs

[ducks]

Parker didn't guard Nash, Bowen did.
both did at different times
tp did better then bowen actually

[td4mvp3]

1. Every thread besides this one. I've been ignoring them but I just couldn't ignore this one... <<see the title
2. same as #1
3. we were prepared for leandro, AND as other have pointed out, apparently his elbow was jacked up.
4. "ripped" implies that he dominated us throughout the whole series... of players that dominated us in that series, Devin Harris does not stick out. harris had a few good spurts and that's it. He was not a focal point of our defense and he got some LUCKY ASS shots to bounce in. Granted some came at terrible times for us, but harris is not as good of a finisher as 2005 wcsf would have some of you believe. do you watch devin harris other than when he plays the spurs? Leandro Barbosa is WAY better than harris. but harris sucks... so what does that say about barbosa?
5. this was a horrible attempt
1-2. but now you've had to put that "td4mvp3 is stupid" thing in perspective, i'd hope.
3-4. this was what this thread was all about and really the only response i was looking for. i'm not advocating either player to start for the spurs or be traded to come to the spurs or any other nonsense, just looking for comparisons on why one faired the way he faired.
5. the thread is on two pages and has had nearly 50 responses. hardly horrible.

[nkdlunch]

Beno Udrih

[td4mvp3]

Beno Udrih
:lol :toast

[ALVAREZ6]

Why the fuck does it matter?

[td4mvp3]

Why the fuck does it matter?
i love the way people act as though any topic on this board matters. you'd think i put a gun to these people's heads and demanded they answered. yeesh.

[thispego]

im the only one who's pissed about you trying to convince people that devin harris is good. asshole.

[smrattler]

In a playoff series, Barbosa showed he is too one dimensional to be a factor. Against the Mavs last year, another one dimensional player (Harris) got to the rim at will. Is he better at it than Barbosa? Nope. But we played small against the Mavs and gave them an NBA title on a silver platter (that steak must have been too tough for them though).

Harris has no jumper. Barbosa you just have to be near him.

[td4mvp3]

im the only one who's pissed about you trying to convince people that devin harris is good. asshole.
:rolleyes
just to make sure i understand you ... asking a question about who people think is a better player means i'm trying to convince folks?

[Nashfan]

Injured or was it the D?

Injured. You try shooting with a tear in your shooting elbow :rolleyes

[sandman]

Injured. You try shooting with a tear in your shooting elbow :rolleyes

I've heard it is like trying to win a championship without defense. Intensely painful and damn near impossible...

[td4mvp3]

I've heard it is like trying to win a championship without defense. Intensely painful and damn near impossible...
:clap
good one.

[Nashfan]

both did at different times
tp did better then bowen actually

What are you smoking?? :wtf Bowen did 100% better job on Nash than anyone in the league.

[Nashfan]

I've heard it is like trying to win a championship without defense. Intensely painful and damn near impossible...

Quite the jokester aren't you? :rolleyes

[sandman]

Quite the jokester aren't you? :rolleyes

It's the middle of a long off season. Lighten up and laugh some, Mr Emoticon.

[thispego]

:rolleyes
just to make sure i understand you ... asking a question about who people think is a better player means i'm trying to convince folks?
devin harris is a non factor. he's a scrub and your talking about him like he is a full time starter that routinely owns us... it's not jsut you.. it's alot of people on this board (mostly delusional mavs fans), but you're propagating it. You wanna compare players? find out who people think are better? try players that are worth a shit.
With all the stupid shit already on the board, Devin Fucking Harris does NOT deserve his own thread.

[sandman]

devin harris is a non factor. he's a scrub and your talking about him like he is a full time starter that routinely owns us... it's not jsut you.. it's alot of people on this board (mostly delusional mavs fans), but you're propagating it. You wanna compare players? find out who people think are better? try players that are worth a shit.
With all the stupid shit already on the board, Devin Fucking Harris does NOT deserve his own thread.

So did Harris do your sister and not call the next day or something?

Let it go, man, let it go.

[td4mvp3]

devin harris is a non factor. he's a scrub and your talking about him like he is a full time starter that routinely owns us... it's not jsut you.. it's alot of people on this board (mostly delusional mavs fans), but you're propagating it. You wanna compare players? find out who people think are better? try players that are worth a shit.
With all the stupid shit already on the board, Devin Fucking Harris does NOT deserve his own thread.
:lol
you realize that at this point, this level of rage over a player you deem as crap is really rather amusing. i was just joking before about seeking psychiatric help, but man, you may want to seriously consider it. you yourself admit that harris had some good stretches against the spurs; leandro had none. and how is the 6th man of the year not worth ... crap? or the guy that had some stretches against the spurs crap? we can go as long as you want to with this, i've got the rest of the summer. you've already stated you hate harris and think he sucks, why push so hard and continue to hammer home that most noble of points? well you go right on, mister, and save us from that most destructive force that is devin harris propaganda! godspeed.

[td4mvp3]

So did Harris do your sister and not call the next day or something?

Let it go, man, let it go.
:lol
amen.

[thispego]

So did Harris do your sister and not call the next day or something?

Let it go, man, let it go.
yeah right, then he'd be alright

[thispego]

:lol
you realize that at this point, this level of rage over a player you deem as crap is really rather amusing. i was just joking before about seeking psychiatric help, but man, you may want to seriously consider it. you yourself admit that harris had some good stretches against the spurs; leandro had none. and how is the 6th man of the year not worth ... crap? or the guy that had some stretches against the spurs crap? we can go as long as you want to with this, i've got the rest of the summer. you've already stated you hate harris and think he sucks, why push so hard and continue to hammer home that most noble of points? well you go right on, mister, and save us from that most destructive force that is devin harris propaganda! godspeed.
rage? no im ok.
why dont we debate earl boykins and steve blake next? who plays better against the spurs?

[sandman]

rage? no im ok.
why dont we debate earl boykins and steve blake next? who plays better against the spurs?

Call me when we get to the Smush Parker and Rafer Alston comparison...

[thispego]

Call me when we get to the Smush Parker and Rafer Alston comparison...
that was yesterday

[td4mvp3]

rage? no im ok.
why dont we debate earl boykins and steve blake next? who plays better against the spurs?
boykins.

[td4mvp3]

Call me when we get to the Smush Parker and Rafer Alston comparison...
alston.

[mardigan]

Harris as an actual point guard isnt very good imo, and has shown very little improvement in his first 3 years with how high of a pick he was. It might all not be fair with him missing a lot of the season before last and Terry being there to take minutes, but at this point hes not anywhere near where I thought he would be.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

im the only one who's pissed about you trying to convince people that devin harris is good. asshole.


after reading your last few posts in this thread i have concluded that not only are you and idiot and a thread hijacker, but you are an absolute asshole.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Why the fuck does it matter?

and so are you

[td4mvp3]

rage? no im ok.
why dont we debate earl boykins and steve blake next? who plays better against the spurs?
but just to be clear



actually, that's why it struck me. i'm rewatching the suns series and got to wondering why he did so poorly when devin sliced through the spurs in 06.

that's why these two players were presented.

[thispego]

after reading your last few posts in this thread i have concluded that not only are you and idiot and a thread hijacker, but you are an absolute asshole.
i'm more like a thread suicide bomber

[td4mvp3]

i'm more like a thread suicide bomber
hope those 72 white grapes works for you.

[Chickendog]

any team that has a small quick guard. :bang

[td4mvp3]

any team that has a small quick guard. :bang
:wtf
nash not quick enough for you? allen iverson not floating that boat?

[lefty]

I agree on the fact that Nash didn't score a lot of points against us in the '07 playoffs (great Spurs D), but he found his teammates easily ; scary

[Axl Van Dam]

:wakeup Deron Williams by a mile. :wakeup