is the udoka thing dead?

[td4mvp3]

i've been anxiously awaiting some sort of announcement but since none has come, can i exhale?

[Darkwaters]

I doubt very much happened over the weekend...and its only monday night. Give it until wednesday before you proclaim it even in decline.

[td4mvp3]

I doubt very much happened over the weekend...and its only monday night. Give it until wednesday before you proclaim it even in decline.
[continues to hold breath=td4mvp3]

[TheZackAttack!]

Udoka would be a great pickup! As much of a workout freak Bruce is, it would be a shame to see him break down without a replacement. Udoka is already a great defensive player. Playing under Pop, will only make him a better defender.

[SequSpur]

the spurs made an offer, it's an official.

[Big P]

the spurs made an offer, it's an official.

An official what?

Link?

[SequSpur]

An official what?

Link?

it's official. they made an offer to him and they are waiting a decision. i don't need a got damn link.

if I say it, it's got damn true.

[TheZackAttack!]

I believe you..............Hmm that gives me a great idea for a song

[Leetonidas]

CIA Sequ.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Turn to the Dark Side, Ime, become a SithSpur. You know it is your destiny...

http://www.flashreport.org/images/emperor12.jpg

[Mr. Body]

Spurs made an offer, so what? Other teams are interested and can chase him with more money.

[Fast Dunk]

i've been anxiously awaiting some sort of announcement but since none has come, can i exhale?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[AFBlue]

Relax, it's Ime freaking Udoka....

[leemajors]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=118461900157901100

Ime Udoka’s price tag has dropped, but it seems unlikely the Jefferson High and Portland State grad will wind up with the Blazers again.

Portland could sign him for the $1.8 million biannual exception, giving him two years at about $3.8 million, but the Blazers will have 15 players with guaranteed contracts once restricted free agent Travis Outlaw is in the fold.

Udoka’s agent, Erin Cowan, says he has offers from two other teams — one of them is believed to be San Antonio, though Cowan wouldn’t confirm it.

“We’ll probably get it done no later than Wednesday,” Cowan says.

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.

[Streakyshooter08]

So we will know the situation within the next couple of days...

[loveforthegame]

It will be nice to know in the next day or two whether he's signing with the Spurs or not.

[samikeyp]

if I say it, it's got damn true.

Fear the power of he who walks behind the rows!

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_movie/childrenofcorn.jpg

:sequ :sequ :sequ

[Soul_Patch]

lol...

[Darkwaters]

Didn't I say Wednesday?

[BacktoBasics]

For the millionth time why are we calling an old dude Bruce's replacement? Bruce has at least 2 years left and then what our replacement will be on the ass end of his career.

[MannyIsGod]

Funny how you give Bruce 2 years at his age and you say a much younger player is old.

[Solid D]

For the millionth time why are we calling an old dude Bruce's replacement? Bruce has at least 2 years left and then what our replacement will be on the ass end of his career.


If the Spurs sign someone else and the guy is Udoka, he's certainly not young...but there is not a rule that says that the heir to Bruce's slot has to be young. Bruce was 30 when he became a Spur 6 years ago. Udoka is turning 30 and has some skills the Spurs might use that could extend beyond Bruce's career. I haven't read anything that would indicate that Udoka would be offered anything longer than a 3-year contract.


Funny how you give Bruce 2 years at his age and you say a much younger player is old.


True.

[Darkwaters]

For the millionth time why are we calling an old dude Bruce's replacement? Bruce has at least 2 years left and then what our replacement will be on the ass end of his career.

Bruce was 30 when we brought him in to the Spurs. So, how is Udoka being 30 himself problematic? He seems to be in good shape and he hasn't been playing years and years of 82 game NBA seasons either. Hes probably better off than you might think.

Regardless, I think Sanikidze is their current project for their future long 3 (and eventual Bowen replacement) while Udoka is Bowen's immediate successor. Is 21 year old Viktor Sanikidze young enough for you?

[SequSpur]

no potential.

[AFBlue]

I've always been intrigued by the ambiguity of the term "Bowen replacement".

Are we suggesting that the Spurs FO will be able to find a player that will be able to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and simultaneously be the starting SF even though they have the body of a SG?

Or are we suggesting that the "Bowen replacement" be a long SF with the ability to defend and play the PF role as well?

Or are we merely suggesting that the replacement for Bowen will be a defensive-oriented player that starts at SF?

Obviously it would be great to find all of the attributes in one package but I'm not sure that player even exists.

More than likely the Spurs will find someone to guard the best perimeter player and another who will be the long 3/small ball 4 the Spurs are looking for.

But again, I'm still confused as to what we're referring to as the "Bowen replacement".

[BacktoBasics]

Funny how you give Bruce 2 years at his age and you say a much younger player is old.Actually what I'm saying is that once Bruce is really done we get what 2 years out of this guy if even that. Doesn't make sense. Its not a long term solution.

[BacktoBasics]

Bruce was 30 when we brought him in to the Spurs. So, how is Udoka being 30 himself problematic? He seems to be in good shape and he hasn't been playing years and years of 82 game NBA seasons either. Hes probably better off than you might think.

Regardless, I think Sanikidze is their current project for their future long 3 (and eventual Bowen replacement) while Udoka is Bowen's immediate successor. Is 21 year old Viktor Sanikidze young enough for you?21 sounds good to me. So why not bring him over right away and farm him up? I admit to not knowing much about his game or his current contract situation. It sounds a million times better than handing a roster spot to Ian who will bring absolutely nothing to the table.

[mountainballer]

I've always been intrigued by the ambiguity of the term "Bowen replacement".

Are we suggesting that the Spurs FO will be able to find a player that will be able to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and simultaneously be the starting SF even though they have the body of a SG?

Or are we suggesting that the "Bowen replacement" be a long SF with the ability to defend and play the PF role as well?

Or are we merely suggesting that the replacement for Bowen will be a defensive-oriented player that starts at SF?

Obviously it would be great to find all of the attributes in one package but I'm not sure that player even exists.

More than likely the Spurs will find someone to guard the best perimeter player and another who will be the long 3/small ball 4 the Spurs are looking for.

But again, I'm still confused as to what we're referring to as the "Bowen replacement".


as you point out, it's a bit simple to find just "replacements" for players and therefore looking for a cloone. we won't find this replacement, not for Bowen and even less for Tim in some years.
what Spurs have to find, are 3 new perimeter players till start of the 2008-09 season to take the spots of Bowen, Barry and Finley (don't think that either of the three will resign). a player like Udoka will more likely take the role of Barry, considering his size, ball handling ability and good basketball IQ.
(don't want to say that Udoka is even close to Barry's abilities on offense, so he would have to compensate with his defense).
so, if Udoka would be signed this year, the Bowen "replacement" will be found next year either one of the homepool of White, Williams and Sanikidze, or whoever is available via trade or FA.

[Dave McNulla]

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.
translation: if you sign him, you'll be locked into a maybe contract until the last minute possible.

[ploto]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=118461900157901100

Ime Udoka’s price tag has dropped, but it seems unlikely the Jefferson High and Portland State grad will wind up with the Blazers again.

Portland could sign him for the $1.8 million biannual exception, giving him two years at about $3.8 million, but the Blazers will have 15 players with guaranteed contracts once restricted free agent Travis Outlaw is in the fold.

Udoka’s agent, Erin Cowan, says he has offers from two other teams — one of them is believed to be San Antonio, though Cowan wouldn’t confirm it.

“We’ll probably get it done no later than Wednesday,” Cowan says.

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.
Funny- how 8 days ago his agent claimed he had an offer for $12M for 3 years- then it was $9M for 3 years- now it is simply an offer! Don't see the Spurs overpaying for a guy with very little interest it appears around the league.

[Solid D]

Funny- how 8 days ago his agent claimed he had an offer for $12M for 3 years- then it was $9M for 3 years- now it is simply an offer! Don't see the Spurs overpaying for a guy with very little interest it appears around the league.

It never hurts to ask, right?

One minor point here is that Udoka's agent has never been quoted directly. The story that initially broke in this article by Jason Quick http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/118395333112390.xml&coll=7
stated "According to league sources, Udoka's agent -- Erin Cowan -- has informed the Blazers that a Western Conference team has offered him a three-year, $12 million contract....Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard said if that offer is real, it is far more than the Blazers are willing to pay for Udoka."

So we have "league sources" and a blog from their media guy stating 3 years/$9M, an amount that he removed later in the day. Sometimes mystery can be an agent's friend but if the final contract ends up being lower, the agent looks bad, especially if the information is fabricated.

[jag]

no potential.

:dramaquee

With every post you show your ignorance.

[mountainballer]

It never hurts to ask, right?

One minor point here is that Udoka's agent has never been quoted directly. The story that initially broke in this article by Jason Quick http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/118395333112390.xml&coll=7
stated "According to league sources, Udoka's agent -- Erin Cowan -- has informed the Blazers that a Western Conference team has offered him a three-year, $12 million contract....Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard said if that offer is real, it is far more than the Blazers are willing to pay for Udoka."

So we have "league sources" and a blog from their media guy stating 3 years/$9M, an amount that he removed later in the day. Sometimes mystery can be an agent's friend but if the final contract ends up being lower, the agent looks bad, especially if the information is fabricated.

seems as if Udoka is Cowans only client.
(don't know for sure, maybe some more in other sports)
so, if Udoka is his Rod Tidwell, he might have mixed up the numbers. didn't Tidwell finally get this 12 million $?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

translation: if you sign him, you'll be locked into a maybe contract until the last minute possible.

Not really. After tendering an offer sheet, the team only has 14 days to match or let him walk.

And if you're talking about Udoka, he's an unrestricted free agent.

[justanotherspursfan]

Not really. After tendering an offer sheet, the team only has 14 days to match or let him walk.
Didn't the last CBA drop it to 7 days?


And if you're talking about Udoka, he's an unrestricted free agent.
:tu This is the important point.

[objective]

an expierenced vet who has bounced around could be just like Bowen with the Spurs

Or an experienced vet who has bounced around could be just like Chucky Brown for the Spurs

[Reckless28]

with all this talk about replacing bowen, i would like to have seen giorgos printezis. the spurs traded him to toronto. he's 6'8" 220lbs, athletic, good defender and rebounder. good spot up shooter. i'd settle for udoka. still not completely sold on sandikze or marcus williams.

[Darkwaters]

with all this talk about replacing bowen, i would like to have seen giorgos printezis. the spurs traded him to toronto. he's 6'8" 220lbs, athletic, good defender and rebounder. good spot up shooter. i'd settle for udoka. still not completely sold on sandikze or marcus williams.

I'm more sold on Sanikidze than Printezis at this point. That being said, both of these players are all potential and don't have nearly enough substance to stick at the moment. So I sure wouldn't mind having both. Printezis looks like he could be a quality player in a year or two. But I am just more intrigued by Viktor.

[timvp]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=118461900157901100

Ime Udoka’s price tag has dropped, but it seems unlikely the Jefferson High and Portland State grad will wind up with the Blazers again.

Portland could sign him for the $1.8 million biannual exception, giving him two years at about $3.8 million, but the Blazers will have 15 players with guaranteed contracts once restricted free agent Travis Outlaw is in the fold.

Udoka’s agent, Erin Cowan, says he has offers from two other teams — one of them is believed to be San Antonio, though Cowan wouldn’t confirm it.

“We’ll probably get it done no later than Wednesday,” Cowan says.

Pritchard says he wouldn’t make a decision on Udoka until after Outlaw’s situation is cleared, and he thinks that could take at least several more weeks.

If the Spurs sign Udoka for two-years, $3.8M that'd have to go down as the best signing of the summer. Jason Kapono made $24M and literally the only thing he does better is shoot threes ... and even then, Udoka was a 40%+ three point shooter so he's no brick layer himself.

Udoka is the better defender, rebounder, ballhandler. Gets more steals and blocks. Gets to the line more. Hasn't choked in the playoffs. Udoka is better than Kapono at literally everything outside of shooting threes.

Three-years, $9M would be a good buy. Two-years, $3.8M would be unreal compared to what others are getting.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually what I'm saying is that once Bruce is really done we get what 2 years out of this guy if even that. Doesn't make sense. Its not a long term solution.


Then that's the next 2 years with Duncan and Ginobili moving through the latter stages of their careers. Works for me. Who knows what will be happening 2 days from now, let alone 2 years.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs sign Udoka for two-years, $3.8M that'd have to go down as the best signing of the summer. Jason Kapono made $24M and literally the only thing he does better is shoot threes ... and even then, Udoka was a 40%+ three point shooter so he's no brick layer himself.

Udoka is the better defender, rebounder, ballhandler. Gets more steals and blocks. Gets to the line more. Hasn't choked in the playoffs. Udoka is better than Kapono at literally everything outside of shooting threes.

Three-years, $9M would be a good buy. Two-years, $3.8M would be unreal compared to what others are getting.


Yeah, that would be very nice. Still wouldn't make up for The Trade...

[ducks]

if it was 2 years that cheap
then victor should be ready to be brougth in then
bowen money would go to udoka and then spurs would give vistor udoka money now

[ducks]

if spurs land him that would be awesoem considering most fa's they land are old
and udoka would be getting that type money but a younger player

[Reckless28]

udokad wants a 3 year deal worth anywhere between 9 mil-12 mil, so i hear.

[Darkwaters]

I'd gladly give 3 years, 9M. But the 2 years, 3.8M plan is amazingly good.

Heck, you could still make a run at Barnes at that point.

[ploto]

Unless they unload salary, whatever he gets will potentially count double.

Funny- I said a couple of days ago that teams were only offering LLE type money, and I was told that I did not know what I was talking about.

[T Park]

God, would you STFU already.

Fuck.

[anakha]

Unless they unload salary, whatever he gets will potentially count double.

Funny- I said a couple of days ago that teams were only offering LLE type money, and I was told that I did not know what I was talking about.

What!? You, be accused of talking out of your ass? How could that ever have happened? Aren't you an unbiased purveyor of facts and truth in this board of lies and doublespeak?

:rolleyes

[Da Spurs]

From everything I've read, we're pretty close to the luxury tax ceiling. Signing Udoka for $3 mil would potentially cost the Spurs $8 mil. I just don't see them doing that. It wouldn't make any financial sense at all.

[Slinkyman]

From everything I've read, we're pretty close to the luxury tax ceiling. Signing Udoka for $3 mil would potentially cost the Spurs $8 mil. I just don't see them doing that. It wouldn't make any financial sense at all.

i heard we're trading Beno to the silverstars for becky hammons, that move should save the spurs 1 million while giving us an upgrade at the PG position.

[pinto87]

Been a spurs fan for 10 years and basketball fan/player all my life. The spurs have been my definition for a team for some time now.

Anyhow, on this topic. Have you guys played defensive basketball before? and I don’t mean making that one big block that would send everyone screaming. I’m talking about shutting your opponent down completely. It takes discipline, awareness and experience and most importantly team work.

Some people in this forum believe a younger wing would be a better solution than Udoka. Bringing in a younger punk would mean holding his hand. Teaching him a system that would likely sink in after 2 seasons. Not really a good idea if you are looking for a repeat which I believe the spurs FO/fans are looking for.

It is already stated that Udoka is an excellent defender (due to his maturity; yes older players usually are better defenders). “But his not as good bowen” this is bullshit. In my books Bowen should have won “defensive player of the year”, but don’t think less of Udoka. Good defenders are made better in defensive team cause you have faith in teammates to back you up on D thus when forcing your opponents on their weakside and into your bigs, you know your big men are gonna send that prick flying.

With the addition Udoka there is a higher probability that he adopts the spurs system quickly. And his maturity and work ethics means he will less likely disrupt the team from the inside.

Isn’t it also stated that his a 3 point threat and a decent free throw shooter? If so you whiners sure are picky.

Here’s hoping for a repeat and thanx SPURSTALK for keeping the world updated.

Cheers!!!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Been a spurs fan for 10 years and basketball fan/player all my life. The spurs have been my definition for a team for some time now.

Anyhow, on this topic. Have you guys played defensive basketball before? and I don’t mean making that one big block that would send everyone screaming. I’m talking about shutting your opponent down completely. It takes discipline, awareness and experience and most importantly team work.

Some people in this forum believe a younger wing would be a better solution than Udoka. Bringing in a younger punk would mean holding his hand. Teaching him a system that would likely sink in after 2 seasons. Not really a good idea if you are looking for a repeat which I believe the spurs FO/fans are looking for.

It is already stated that Udoka is an excellent defender (due to his maturity; yes older players usually are better defenders). “But his not as good bowen” this is bullshit. In my books Bowen should have won “defensive player of the year”, but don’t think less of Udoka. Good defenders are made better in defensive team cause you have faith in teammates to back you up on D thus when forcing your opponents on their weakside and into your bigs, you know your big men are gonna send that prick flying.

With the addition Udoka there is a higher probability that he adopts the spurs system quickly. And his maturity and work ethics means he will less likely disrupt the team from the inside.

Isn’t it also stated that his a 3 point threat and a decent free throw shooter? If so you whiners sure are picky.

Here’s hoping for a repeat and thanx SPURSTALK for keeping the world updated.

Cheers!!!

:tu Well said, and welcome! :)

Can we sign this guy already and get it over with?

I bet we don't sign anyone though unless it's an S&T for Beno or Barry (neither makes any sense for Portland, unfortunately), because of the lux tax... :depressed

[spursfaninla]

Been a spurs fan for 10 years and basketball fan/player all my life. The spurs have been my definition for a team for some time now.

Anyhow, on this topic. Have you guys played defensive basketball before? and I don’t mean making that one big block that would send everyone screaming. I’m talking about shutting your opponent down completely. It takes discipline, awareness and experience and most importantly team work.

Some people in this forum believe a younger wing would be a better solution than Udoka. Bringing in a younger punk would mean holding his hand. Teaching him a system that would likely sink in after 2 seasons. Not really a good idea if you are looking for a repeat which I believe the spurs FO/fans are looking for.

It is already stated that Udoka is an excellent defender (due to his maturity; yes older players usually are better defenders). “But his not as good bowen” this is bullshit. In my books Bowen should have won “defensive player of the year”, but don’t think less of Udoka. Good defenders are made better in defensive team cause you have faith in teammates to back you up on D thus when forcing your opponents on their weakside and into your bigs, you know your big men are gonna send that prick flying.

With the addition Udoka there is a higher probability that he adopts the spurs system quickly. And his maturity and work ethics means he will less likely disrupt the team from the inside.

Isn’t it also stated that his a 3 point threat and a decent free throw shooter? If so you whiners sure are picky.

Here’s hoping for a repeat and thanx SPURSTALK for keeping the world updated.

Cheers!!!


Holy crap, when did Pop start browsing forums?

Seriously, excellent first take.

[T Park]

Udoka makes alot of sense.

Wich is why more than likely someone like Dallas or Miami will get him.

[mystargtr34]

Been a spurs fan for 10 years and basketball fan/player all my life. The spurs have been my definition for a team for some time now.

Anyhow, on this topic. Have you guys played defensive basketball before? and I don’t mean making that one big block that would send everyone screaming. I’m talking about shutting your opponent down completely. It takes discipline, awareness and experience and most importantly team work.

Some people in this forum believe a younger wing would be a better solution than Udoka. Bringing in a younger punk would mean holding his hand. Teaching him a system that would likely sink in after 2 seasons. Not really a good idea if you are looking for a repeat which I believe the spurs FO/fans are looking for.

It is already stated that Udoka is an excellent defender (due to his maturity; yes older players usually are better defenders). “But his not as good bowen” this is bullshit. In my books Bowen should have won “defensive player of the year”, but don’t think less of Udoka. Good defenders are made better in defensive team cause you have faith in teammates to back you up on D thus when forcing your opponents on their weakside and into your bigs, you know your big men are gonna send that prick flying.

With the addition Udoka there is a higher probability that he adopts the spurs system quickly. And his maturity and work ethics means he will less likely disrupt the team from the inside.

Isn’t it also stated that his a 3 point threat and a decent free throw shooter? If so you whiners sure are picky.

Here’s hoping for a repeat and thanx SPURSTALK for keeping the world updated.

Cheers!!!

Agree

You know defense, but you couldnt stop me :king

[pinto87]

Agree

You know defense, but you couldnt stop me :king

Bring it on brother!!!

[mystargtr34]

Lets go! 21

Check!

[pinto87]

Can play with you if you're wearing no shoes

[mystargtr34]

We on bitumen?

[td4mvp3]

so is this dead?

[Bruno]

so is this dead?

has he signed with another team ?
No, so it's not dead.

Be a little patient.

[td4mvp3]

has he signed with another team ?
No, so it's not dead.

Be a little patient.
it was supposed to happen wednesday, i gave 'em another three days. :spin

[Da Spurs]

It's not dead if we can dump Beno. If we can't do that, it's dead.

[Solid D]

it was supposed to happen wednesday, i gave 'em another three days. :spin

Or else...

Or else you are going to turn loose of that keyboard. :lmao

[td4mvp3]

Or else...

Or else you are going to turn loose of that keyboard. :lmao
way to make a funny out of something i didn't say or imply. dude said have patience, i pointed out the patience.

[Fast Dunk]

Kill yourselves dudes!

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.

[td4mvp3]

Kill yourselves dudes!

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.
when your smack talk has to recognize that a title has already been won, kinda loses its effectiveness. your city has won what in the past billion years, let alone just in the nba? go back to starring in an mj highlight video. bulls win! bulls win!

[Mister Sinister]

Kill yourselves dudes!

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.
GTFO our internet, you fucking n00b.

[RC's Boss]

Kill yourselves dudes!

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.
That same team would sweep your team again... IF you were lucky enough to get there again w/ an OLD ASS OVERPAID CENTER!

[Darkwaters]

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.

Speaking of which, hows Eric Snow?

[Fast Dunk]

:blah

[Solid D]

One look at the link to Ime Udoka's "Hoopdreams" site gives some cool insight on how involved Ime is in the Portland community and in helping young players to improve their game.

http://www.hoopdreams.info/home.html

Hoop Dreams Basketball

Providing "CREATIVE FREEDOM" to help achieve basketball dreams!

Basketball Camp

http://www.hoopdreams.info/imeudokacamp.html

When: Monday through Friday: July 30th - August 3rd, 2007
Time: 9 a.m. to 3 p.m
Cost: $250 per camper
Camp capacity: 250
Where: PSU, Peter W. Stott Center, 930 S.W. Hall St., Portland 97201
Who: Girls & Boys 8-16

The Ime Udoka Basketball Camp welcomes girls & boys, 8-16, serious about improving their skills, developing their game, and learning from the best coaching staff in the Portland area.

The goal of the camp is to provide a structured basketball learning experience that encourages team participation, rugged competition and above all, good sportsmanship.

The coaching staff includes past & present male & female high school, college and/or professional basketball players who have played in Oregon and across the nation.

Players are divided into teams by age and compete throughout the week in full-court basketball games and skill challenges. Championship games conclude the week.

An Awards Ceremony is held on Friday. Camp coaches assess campers throughout the week and present awards in categories such as Hustle, Defense, Sportsmanship, and The Camper of the Week. Parents and friends of the players are invited to attend this special event.

"Autograph Day" with Ime is Friday. Campers may bring in one item on Friday to be signed by Ime.

Each player receives a Nike camp T-shirt, camp certificate, all-camp photo and an individual photo taken with Ime, and other gifts and prizes!


For additional information about the camp please contact Camp Director Kumbeno Memory via email: [email protected]

Mail your check/money order along with the registration form to:

Hoop Dreams Basketball

PO Box 19685

Portland, Or 97280

[SequSpur]

i told you.

[ploto]

Don't see how accurate this in, but it's out there. With Spanoulis, the Spurs are about $1M over the luxury tax IIRC. Even dumping him does not seem to make this possible. I also assume he means luxury tax and not salary cap.


The Spurs are negotiating with Trail Blazers free agent Ime Udoka on a low-paying contract that would keep San Antonio below the projected salary-cap threshold for next season.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/notes.htm?csp=34

[td4mvp3]

well, at least this ref stuff has kept me from thinking so much about he who can be named to a team.

[kyleo]

Kill yourselves dudes!

Get used to the same old ass team from last year that is not going to repeat.
Did you get kicked off whatever Cavs' site you previously annoyed? I might kill myself if my team had signed Larry Hughes to an albatross contract that will hinder said team's ability to sign any quality free agents, resulting in LeBron's inevitable departure and the Cavs' return to irrelevance. Fortunately, my front office seems to know what the hell they're doing.

[tlongII]

The Memphis Commerce Appeal is reporting that Ime is close to signing with the Grizzlies. I don't know how accurate that is, but if they are throwing more money at him than the Spurs it could be true.

[SenorSpur]

The Memphis Commerce Appeal is reporting that Ime is close to signing with the Grizzlies. I don't know how accurate that is, but if they are throwing more money at him than the Spurs it could be true.

God, I hope not.

[td4mvp3]

geez, they can't catch a break this offseason.

[Bruno]

It seems that Memphis has signed Jacobsen to a guaranteed contract :
http://www.fraenkischer-tag.de/cms/index.php?id=1235&MappeCID=zmbz_gblztha-mrqgq*lqfp&Hierarchie=*8kax6otmseq5d5ju*ug7cv&Seite=Sport&SeiteSub=Sport+regional&Ank=artikel_1_2

[Obstructed_View]

The Memphis Commerce Appeal is reporting that Ime is close to signing with the Grizzlies. I don't know how accurate that is, but if they are throwing more money at him than the Spurs it could be true.
It said they spoke to him. They never said he was close to signing with them.

[tlongII]

It said they spoke to him. They never said he was close to signing with them.

I just looked it up and you are correct. I got some bad information form another board. It looks like it is between the Spurs and the Grizz.

[jag]

I just looked it up and you are correct. I got some bad information form another board. It looks like it is between the Spurs and the Grizz.

Inside IN-for-Mation

[Leetonidas]

It seems that Memphis has signed Jacobsen to a guaranteed contract :
http://www.fraenkischer-tag.de/cms/index.php?id=1235&MappeCID=zmbz_gblztha-mrqgq*lqfp&Hierarchie=*8kax6otmseq5d5ju*ug7cv&Seite=Sport&SeiteSub=Sport+regional&Ank=artikel_1_2
English Bruno? :lol

If true then this means Udoka is Udokours. :downspin:

[Bruno]

English Bruno? :lol

I could do a translation if you really want even if my German is a little rusty.
To sum up, Jacobsen played last year in Germany and has send an email to his former team saying that he will sign a guaranteed contract with Memphis.



If true then this means Udoka is Udokours. :downspin:

Not sure. Memphis could sign both if they sign Udoka before Jacobsen.
However if Memphis officially sign Jacobsen they won't have enough capspace for Udoka.

[spursreport]

Memphis needs to back the fuck off now. They got Jacobson now go fuck yourselves you sons of bitches. Spurs have played the dumbass role enough this summer so sign this Udoka fucker and get it over with. Hey Udoka your not a superstar. Stop dicking around like this you son of a bitch and just fucking sign with us!!! :dramaquee :pctoss

[td4mvp3]

Memphis could sign both if they sign Udoka before Jacobsen.
However if Memphis officially sign Jacobsen they won't have enough capspace for Udoka.
makes me think that this was the holdup, waiting to get jacobsen in line and then sign oduka and then jacobsen.

[clubalien]

I've always been intrigued by the ambiguity of the term "Bowen replacement".

Are we suggesting that the Spurs FO will be able to find a player that will be able to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and simultaneously be the starting SF even though they have the body of a SG?

Or are we suggesting that the "Bowen replacement" be a long SF with the ability to defend and play the PF role as well?

Or are we merely suggesting that the replacement for Bowen will be a defensive-oriented player that starts at SF?

Obviously it would be great to find all of the attributes in one package but I'm not sure that player even exists.

More than likely the Spurs will find someone to guard the best perimeter player and another who will be the long 3/small ball 4 the Spurs are looking for.

But again, I'm still confused as to what we're referring to as the "Bowen replacement".

forget bowen i want a sean elliot replacement

[ploto]

Looks like Jacobsen already signed. Good news for Spurs fans.


The Grizzlies finalized a deal Monday with sharpshooter Casey Jacobsen, a guard who last played in the NBA during the 2004-05 season when he split time with Phoenix and New Orleans.

An NBA source confirmed that Jacobsen was in town Monday to sign the contract and visit with Griz personnel. Jacobsen signed a one-year contract.


http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5641819,00.html

[jay014]

Memphis needs to back the fuck off now. They got Jacobson now go fuck yourselves you sons of bitches. Spurs have played the dumbass role enough this summer so sign this Udoka fucker and get it over with. Hey Udoka your not a superstar. Stop dicking around like this you son of a bitch and just fucking sign with us!!! :dramaquee :pctoss
:stfu :idiot

[mountainballer]

Jacobsen signed a one year contract, so it is very likely that it's just the veteran minimum contract. so they should still have the money to sign Udoka to something like 3 years / 8-9 million.
considering that this players have very different qualities and the Grizzlies are still thin at SG, I can see them still in the run for Udoka.

[spursreport]

:stfu :idiot
:blah :blah I take it you call this a great offseason. :drunk :drunk

[Bruno]

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5642339,00.html


With the addition of Jacobsen, the Grizzlies' roster includes 13 players, the maximum number general manager Chris Wallace has said the team would start the season with.

Memphis has now only $1.5M left to sign Udoka.

Both Memphis and Portland seems to be an unlikely destination for Udoka.

[Streakyshooter08]

I really wonder what the Spurs are trying to do. It is really strange that this whole thing takes so long. Hopefully they will sign Udoka soon and trade for a good backup PG (which is not very likely).

[timvp]

I'm not really worried about a team like the Grizzlies being an option for Udoka. I'm more worried about a team like Dallas, Phoenix or Nets who would go after Udoka just to keep him away from the Spurs.

[sabar]

I figure Udoka is wondering if he should take our (possible) cheap offer or wait for another team or even Portland. I imagine that we wouldn't offer the greatest contract in the world given our situation, but who knows.

[hsxvvd]

Memphis needs to back the fuck off now. They got Jacobson now go fuck yourselves you sons of bitches. Spurs have played the dumbass role enough this summer so sign this Udoka fucker and get it over with. Hey Udoka your not a superstar. Stop dicking around like this you son of a bitch and just fucking sign with us!!! :dramaquee :pctoss

You think this approach would work if RC gave him a call?

[SenorSpur]

I wish the Spurs would "close the loop" on this dude - NOW!

The Spurs have up until Feb to ship Beno's ass outta here. Meanwhile, there backup PG landscape is looking really thin.

[Supergirl]

People are still assuming Udoka signing is a matter of him choosing the Spurs.

I think he's ready to sign, but the Spurs are still trying to see if they can dump Beno before doing so, so as to prevent luxury tax.

There doesn't seem to be a rush to sign Udoka. Memphis didn't want him badly enough to wait, and now they're practically out of money. No one else seems to be in the running.

[SenorSpur]

People are still assuming Udoka signing is a matter of him choosing the Spurs.

I think he's ready to sign, but the Spurs are still trying to see if they can dump Beno before doing so, so as to prevent luxury tax.

There doesn't seem to be a rush to sign Udoka. Memphis didn't want him badly enough to wait, and now they're practically out of money. No one else seems to be in the running.

If I'm not mistaken, the Spurs have up until Feb to ship Beno's ass outta here before rosters are set for the season. After which, if they are over the taxk threshold, they would then incur a luxury tax.

Someone correct me if I'm inaccurate.

[BacktoBasics]

forget bowen i want a sean elliot replacementElliott has two god damn T's

[oligarchy]

If I'm not mistaken, the Spurs have up until Feb to ship Beno's ass outta here before rosters are set for the season. After which, if they are over the taxk threshold, they would then incur a luxury tax.

Someone correct me if I'm inaccurate.

At the end of the 07-08 season is when they calculate the lux tax

[oligarchy]

They haven't dropped Spannoulis, so they aren't signing anyone.

Totals: $68,375,495
dropping Spannoulis: $66,431,495

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I really wonder what the Spurs are trying to do. It is really strange that this whole thing takes so long. Hopefully they will sign Udoka soon and trade for a good backup PG (which is not very likely).

What is so hard to understand about what they are trying to do?

By waiting it out and letting Portland and Memphis sign other players, they have driven his asking price down. Typical Spurs off-season play.

[td4mvp3]

at this point, i think the guy is about to announce his retirement.

[HornySpur]

Initially Spurs & Grizz only teams that had expressed interest...Grizzlies announced signing of Casey Jacobson today and stated they have reached max amount of players to begin 07-08 season

Could be Udoka agent wanted 3 yr deal and is now losing leverage...

[Obstructed_View]

Initially Spurs & Grizz only teams that had expressed interest...Grizzlies announced signing of Casey Jacobson today and stated they have reached max amount of players to begin 07-08 season

Could be Udoka agent wanted 3 yr deal and is now losing leverage...
I think they are actually one player over at this point.

[smrattler]

I thought we were rumored to be offering a 3 yr deal to him anyway?

I don't know, I get tired of the waiting game really fast when it comes to FAs. Over the years, I've gotten used to people saying how much they would love to play for the Spurs and they are offered an ok deal and just wait, and wait, and wait... until someone offers the extra year and they're gone to the great Grizz treams of the NBA.

They aren't doing us any favors. They don't want to come, screw 'em. Like Timmy once said, "We'd love to have you, but we don't NEED you".

[jay014]

:blah :blah I take it you call this a great offseason. :drunk :drunk
we're in late july and basketball season doesn't start until late october anything can happen between now and then. :flipoff :idiot

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Spurs are going to be team endorsed by old people-related remedies and products of all kinds.

[td4mvp3]

Spurs are going to be team endorsed by old people-related remedies and products of all kinds.
nice zappa pic

i will love ... everyone ...

[coachmac87]

not sure if i really want udoka anymore. i mean the guy is so damn torn leaving portland..then fuck him!! if he really thinks stayin at home and playing for a team that will not win a ring anytime soon then let him do that..give me someone who is dedicated to winning..he isnt showing me that...winning doesnt seem to be a top priority for this guy at the moment...

[spursreport]

we're in late july and basketball season doesn't start until late october anything can happen between now and then. :flipoff :idiot

They havent addressed their needs for youth on the wings and dealt 2 young bigs for shit to a divisional rival. This roster isnt getting any younger. Now kindly shut the fuck up rookie.

[Obstructed_View]

not sure if i really want udoka anymore. i mean the guy is so damn torn leaving portland..then fuck him!! if he really thinks stayin at home and playing for a team that will not win a ring anytime soon then let him do that..give me someone who is dedicated to winning..he isnt showing me that...winning doesnt seem to be a top priority for this guy at the moment...
This take wouldn't be all that compelling if you'd posted it only once.

[mardigan]

So anything yet?
Jacobsen signed with the Grizz, so they have reached the number of roster spots they have said they where going to bring into camp.

According to an NBA source, Memphis has finalized an agreement with Casey Jacobsen on a one-year deal.
Jacobsen hasn't played in the NBA since 2004-05, but he fills a team need as a perimeter scoring threat. This signing will take the Memphis roster up to 13, which is the maximum it plans to begin the season with, according to GM Chris Wallace.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=869&line=83687&spln=1




So where does that leave Udoka?

[td4mvp3]

So anything yet?
Jacobsen signed with the Grizz, so they have reached the number of roster spots they have said they where going to bring into camp.
So where does that leave Udoka?
hiding from the mob thanks to this ref dude?

[jay014]

They havent addressed their needs for youth on the wings and dealt 2 young bigs for shit to a divisional rival. This roster isnt getting any younger. Now kindly shut the fuck up rookie.
They won a championship with the oldest roster in the league.The 2 young bigs Butler sucks and Scola is yet to complete his buyout from his european team so he might be stuck with that team. What young talented wingman is going to sign for less money. What would take $20 million for 4 years or $9 million for 3 years? After next season they'll have money to spend when some contracts expire so were basically stuck with the same team.When the season tips off and the "old" champions raise the 2006-07 banner you'll be cheering like a little bitch so you shut the fuck up BITCH! 2008 is when the real offseason begins when tim opts out and horry retires and bowen,barry,elson,udrih,finley contracts expire. :toast

[SenorSpur]

Just because a team wins the championship doesn't mean the team is 100% perfect. There is no badge of honor or extra competitive points for having the so-called "oldest team in the league". The Spurs have needed an infusion of at least 2 younger, cheaper players for about 2 years now - especially at the wing position.

We thought they satisfied that need last year with both Butler and White. Now they're gone. Splitter will replace Butler, but they have no developing perimeter player now that White is gone.

Look around you. The Western conference is an annual dogfight. Even the non-playoff teams (Seattle, Portland, Houston) have all got significantly better. The Spurs resigned their own free agents - a very good thing to do. Now it's time to look at another younger, impact player that can add value and keep us on top.

After all, no team can rest on its laurels and do nothing.

[td4mvp3]

They won a championship with the oldest roster in the league.The 2 young bigs Butler sucks and Scola is yet to complete his buyout from his european team so he might be stuck with that team. What young talented wingman is going to sign for less money. What would take $20 million for 4 years or $9 million for 3 years? After next season they'll have money to spend when some contracts expire so were basically stuck with the same team.When the season tips off and the "old" champions raise the 2006-07 banner you'll be cheering like a little bitch so you shut the fuck up BITCH! 2008 is when the real offseason begins when tim opts out and horry retires and bowen,barry,elson,udrih,finley contracts expire. :toast
i think oberto has worked out the buyout and whatnot. i believe he is definitely coming to play for houston.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

seems like it



damn, Spurs can't land ANYONE in SA

[td4mvp3]

seems like it



damn, Spurs can't land ANYONE in SA
that's what i said. this has been a letdown offseason.

[usckk]

that's what i said. this has been a letdown offseason.

I don't understand. Robert Horry, Oberto, and Finley all agreed to comeback to the Spurs. They were all very important pieces in our championship run. Getting them back, itself, should warrant at least a grade B+. Sure, it's always better to upgrade, but what we have now...works. We won a championship.

[spursreport]

Just because a team wins the championship doesn't mean the team is 100% perfect. There is no badge of honor or extra competitive points for having the so-called "oldest team in the league". The Spurs have needed an infusion of at least 2 younger, cheaper players for about 2 years now - especially at the wing position.

We thought they satisfied that need last year with both Butler and White. Now they're gone. Splitter will replace Butler, but they have no developing perimeter player now that White is gone.

Look around you. The Western conference is an annual dogfight. Even the non-playoff teams (Seattle, Portland, Houston) have all got significantly better. The Spurs resigned their own free agents - a very good thing to do. Now it's time to look at another younger, impact player that can add value and keep us on top.

After all, no team can rest on its laurels and do nothing.

Houston is a non-playoff team? :wtf :wtf They have made the postseason 3 out of 4 years with that 1 year being injury plagued. Nonetheless I agree with you that moves would have really helped. This rookie tends to think otherwise. :sleep

[td4mvp3]

I don't understand. Robert Horry, Oberto, and Finley all agreed to comeback to the Spurs. They were all very important pieces in our championship run. Getting them back, itself, should warrant at least a grade B+. Sure, it's always better to upgrade, but what we have now...works. We won a championship.
but i think anyone would agree that our road to it was significantly easier than going through phoenix and then the mavs and then ... well, the east sucks, but maybe the heat or pistons may have presented better matchup problems for the spurs. i didn't honestly think we'd make it past the mavs, and if we come back with the same roster against them, i'm still not sure.

[leemajors]

there really wasn't much out there in the right price range - spurs have little to no cap room.

[Da Spurs]

Cap room is not the problem. It's the luxury tax. They have the MLE.

[Kindergarten Cop]

i think oberto has worked out the buyout and whatnot. i believe he is definitely coming to play for houston.

I assume that you mean Scola - but I have yet to read anything regarding his buyout being finalized (although I find it hard to believe that Houston would not have done their homework before pulling the trigger on this deal). If by chance Scola does not complete the buyout, I think ALL Spurs fans will be dancing. :elephant

[ace3g]

if Udoka signed with the spurs ..............


http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4010/udoka2copywv6.jpg

[Mr. Body]

if Udoka signed with the spurs ..............


http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4010/udoka2copywv6.jpg

Why'd he steal Horry's jersey?

[ace3g]

it was the only jersey I could find at the time that fit the jersey switch, plus Udoka wears #5 for Portland, but ofcourse he would wear a different number if he signed here

[Streakyshooter08]

if Udoka signed with the spurs ..............


http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4010/udoka2copywv6.jpg

:smokin :tu

[spursparker9]

i thought i had seen a rumor that horry is going to change his jersey number to 25?

[Kindergarten Cop]

i thought i had seen a rumor that horry is going to change his jersey number to 25?

The only recent mention of the number 25 that I can recall, is that Splitter stated that he likes that number. He'll likely wear it next season when he comes over due to Duncan occupying his current number.

[jag]

So i'm guessing nobody has anything new.....

[Kindergarten Cop]

IMHO, this has been one of the strangest off-seasons in recent memory. There are still better than average FAs out there (Barnes, Udoka, Brown, Henderson, Boykins, Davis, etc.) and it seems that in the past teams would be "over-spending" for these guys. As it stands, you rarely even hear anything about these players let alone the buzz of years past. Perhaps teams have wisened up and refuse to overspend (of course except for Toronto :p: ) in hopes of avoiding Luxury Tax penalties. Perhaps I'm just impatient (like many others) and watching this off-season closer and this is how it has always been. :wtf

[Stump]

Perhaps teams have wisened up and refuse to overspend (of course except for Toronto :p: )
Toronto's got nothing on Orlando.

[ploto]

Toronto is still under the luxury tax.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Toronto is still under the luxury tax.

I was just teasin'. :p:

I was just yankin' your chain in regards to over-spending for above average players - as it appears that fewer teams are doing in nowadays. IMHO Kapono was not even an MLE player, but he got more than that. I have to admit though that you have a great FO in place when it comes to evaluating talent, so I'll defer to them. :toast

[hsxvvd]

I'm bored with this whole Udoka thing ... Screw it, I don't want him anymore.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm bored with this whole Udoka thing ... Screw it, I don't want him anymore.
You're bored 12 days in? Glad you aren't in the FO. :)

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs FO are the perpetual tortoise in the FA race. They rarely make their moves quickly. Perhaps they'll get their act together during the Rodeo Road trip.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbla..._notebook.html

IME UDOKA
There's still no word on where the small forward is going to end up or even what team Udoka is in negotiation with (if any). His agent, Erin Cowan, has not returned several phone messages, including one Monday. I know this: The Blazers still aren't suitors.
"I haven't talked with his agent in over a week," Pritchard said. "It's still highly unlikely (Udoka re-signs with the Blazers)."

--Freeman

[Cant_Be_Faded]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[timvp]

Looks like the Spurs will round out their summer with Williams and Mahinmi.

Staying under the lux tax is so fun :elephant

[tmtcsc]

When you are the defending Champions, its not much of hard sell to get FA's. We can afford to wait.

[hsxvvd]

Udoka ... U-Joker!

Hurry Up!

[ducks]

Looks like the Spurs will round out their summer with Williams and Mahinmi.

Staying under the lux tax is so fun :elephant
wrong! :ihit

[td4mvp3]

i'm betting hit 3-point shooting tanks, a la every other spurs 3-pt specialist their first year with the spurs.