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GSH
07-18-2007, 10:57 AM
I think a lot of people don't understand what happens with the luxury tax, especially to teams at the threshold. (Some of them might even admit it.) Sorry to make another thread, but I thought a few people might actually like to see it spelled out. Here are a couple of paragraphs that I lifted from http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16 (http://). Maybe it will make more sense:

Since the previous CBA required teams to project league revenues a year in advance when making their roster decisions, a "cliff smoothing" provision was set up to provide teams a margin of error. Under this provision, for the first few million dollars above the tax level, distributions were phased-out (i.e., teams didn't "fall off a cliff" and lose their distribution for barely exceeding the tax level). Now that the tax level is set in advance, and teams know the tax level before they begin signing contracts, this margin of error is no longer required and so the cliff provision was eliminated. Now there effectively will be a hit (about $1.9 million in 2006-07) as soon as a team crosses the tax level.

To understand the consequence, consider two teams that suffer injuries during the 2005-06 season, each needing to sign a replacement player. Team A is $500,000 above the tax level, and Team B is $500,000 below the tax level. For this example we'll assume the players sign for $719,373 (the minimum salary for a player with two years of service in 2005-06), and the tax distribution for the non-taxpaying teams is $2.4 million. To sign their player, Team A must pay $719,373 in salary and $719,373 in additional tax, for a total of $1,438,746. Team B, on the other hand, now becomes a taxpayer. They pay the same $719,373 in salary plus $219,373 in tax (remember, they were previously $500,000 below the tax level), and they also forfeit their $2.4 million tax distribution, so the total cost to them is $3,338,746. So for Team B, the tax penalty isn't 100%; it's more than 250%. They can't even sign a cheaper player -- for tax purposes, players with fewer than two years of service are taxed at the two-year minimum amount.

It's worth noting that a team $1M under the threshold would pay $719K for the player, a team $500K over the threshold would pay $1.438M, and a team $500K under the threshold would pay $3.33M.

It's bad enough paying $6 Mil for a $3 Mil player (when teams under the threshold are getting $6 M players for $6 M.) But paying a premium for a player who isn't an absolute perfect fit? That's a disaster. When a team that is into the tax pays out $6 M per season for a player, it's hard to remember that he is really only getting $3 M of it. There is a reason why the player could only command a $3M salary, but he has to live up to $6M expectations. He better be one hell of an over-achiever.

People talk about "surrounding Tim Duncan with the best talent", and ignoring the luxury tax. Why not pick up guys like Zach Randolph or Rasheed Wallace? They have a lot of individual talent. What about guys like Steve Francis or Tracy McGrady? Does anyone think that those guys would fit well on the Spurs roster? Any player, any deal, has to be looked at in the context of the current squad, salary, and plans for the future. The luxury tax adds a hell of a lot of context.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 11:08 AM
Nobody's going to hand you a Wallace, McGrady, or Randolph for nothing. You might want to refine your point.

GSH
07-18-2007, 11:44 AM
Nobody's going to hand you a Wallace, McGrady, or Randolph for nothing. You might want to refine your point.

Sorry...I thought the point was clear. Forgot you were out there.

Randolph and Wallace are great talents, and they play solid defense. But they have attitude problems, and off-court baggage. Francis and T-Mac are great talents, and they score a lot of points. But they are ball hogs, and don't give a damn about defense. I wasn't suggesting that anyone would give away one of those players. The point is - even if they did, those guys would not make us a better team.

Just a few years ago, they talked about the Blazers having 12 players who would be starters on any other team in the league. And that team went to hell in a handbasket. Creating a better team isn't always about stuffing the most raw talent onto the roster. Is that refined enough for you?

Did you even read the paragraphs about the luxury tax? Not only would signing Scola have cost the Spurs a HUGE amount of money this year, it could have kept them over the threshold for the next two years also. Add it all up, and look at what that one player would (probably) have REALLY cost the Spurs. He's a good player...but not good enough to warrant a blank check. LMAO - a million here, a million there, and pretty soon we're talking real money.

There are a lot of reasons why a talented player might not be a perfect fit. And, yes, salary is one of them. I think the message is that the Spurs feel good enough about their bigs right now that they couldn't justify paying that kind of premium for Scola. A couple of years ago, it might have been a totally different story. {Edit: Oh, and BTW - the Spurs already have one Argentinian star coming in off the bench. Do you think it might have been a distraction having one of the premier EuroLeague players sitting on our bench as a sub for Tim Duncan, as some have suggested? Maybe you think Scola is big enough to handle center duties every night? Or maybe Tim should be forced into a true center role? Where exactly does that fit?}

As for Jackie Butler? Did it occur to you that the Spurs said, "We've had him on the roster, we've watched him work against our players. We know who he is, and we aren't worried about him playing for Houston"?

Sam Presti is just getting settled in Seattle, but he's already hot for Kurt Thomas. Why do you think that is? It's because he knows the road out of the West goes through the Spurs and Tim Duncan. And he feels like Thomas did a good job against Tim in last year's playoffs. Would Presti pay a (reasonable) premium for Thomas - a known quantity to fit a specific need? You bet your ass he would. Would he pay a premium for Luis Scola right now, even knowing that he has great talent? Not a chance.

There is a lot more to building a team than finding guys with a lot of talent and throwing money at them. Unless you're Isiah Thomas. Sorry...I can't refine it any more than that.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 11:45 AM
Your hypothetical makes no sense. If the Spurs were to acquire a Wallace or Randolph through a trade, they'd be sending contracts out.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 11:51 AM
And if Scola was in SA, Elson would not have been.

GSH
07-18-2007, 11:56 AM
Your hypothetical makes no sense. If the Spurs were to acquire a Wallace or Randolph through a trade, they'd be sending contracts out.

Hey...Dumbass!!! The point is, even if we could somehow sign Rasheed Wallace for the league minimum and no trade - he wouldn't be a positive addition to the team.

Now, shoo. Go argue with someone about whether Spiderman could beat Batman or something.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 11:57 AM
Hey...Dumbass!!! The point is, even if we could somehow sign Rasheed Wallace for the league minimum and no trade - he wouldn't be a positive addition to the team.

Now, shoo. Go argue with someone about whether Spiderman could beat Batman or something.


Namecalling, the surest sign of a lost argument.

If the Spurs could sign Wallace for the min and didn't, that would be worse than The Trade.

"Shoo", indeed.

Mister Sinister
07-18-2007, 11:57 AM
Hey...Dumbass!!! The point is, even if we could somehow sign Rasheed Wallace for the league minimum and no trade - he wouldn't be a positive addition to the team.

Now, shoo. Go argue with someone about whether Spiderman could beat Batman or something.
They're from two different universes...Bats is DC, Spidey is Marvel. n00b.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 12:01 PM
The lengths Holt apologists will go to in order to attempt to justify horrid personnel moves...

spursfaninla
07-18-2007, 12:08 PM
I see that money is clearly the issue.

I wonder if Scola would have fit better than Bonner, because they cost pretty close to the same.

After this year, we will know for sure. I don't really trust that Scola would have given us what we needed from him-space for Duncan, rebounding, and good d.

In the end, we don't really NEED more post scoring. Sure, when Duncan is out, we need it, but how often will that be for the next 3 years?

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 12:18 PM
In the end, we don't really NEED more post scoring. Sure, when Duncan is out, we need it, but how often will that be for the next 3 years?

At least 15 minutes a night.

Solid D
07-18-2007, 12:18 PM
More post scoring makes Timmy jealous. That's why Malik isn't here any more either.

Marcus Bryant
07-18-2007, 12:25 PM
More post scoring makes Timmy jealous. That's why Malik isn't here any more either.

*rimshot*