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BIG z
07-19-2007, 05:33 PM
On 3 championship teams, and a defensive stopper, does Bruce deserves to have his jersey retired. When I think of retired jerseys I think...Tim Duncan, David Robinson and George Gervin.

Is he worthy....

ducks
07-19-2007, 05:35 PM
why
if his should everyone that does something should

Spurs Brazil
07-19-2007, 05:35 PM
He's a lock

Mr. Body
07-19-2007, 05:37 PM
Yes.

LakerHater
07-19-2007, 05:40 PM
Sure why not!!?

Marcus Bryant
07-19-2007, 05:40 PM
Yes. This isn't the Hall. Team jersey retirements allow teams to recognize those players who were a key part of a team's success yet were not superstars. Bowen clearly was a major part of the Spurs' last 3 championships.

whottt
07-19-2007, 05:41 PM
Yes

whottt
07-19-2007, 05:42 PM
Forget Spurs only...

Bowen is arguably the greatest perimeter defender in NBA history...at least based on All NBA D teams.

LaMarcus Bryant
07-19-2007, 06:04 PM
.................................................y es.......what a dumb thread.

Cant_Be_Faded
07-19-2007, 06:06 PM
.................................................y es.......what a dumb thread.



You think thets bad? Rememba the 2003 season when we played the Wizards and Jordan was being defended by Bowen? Then Jordan (who just had a press conference restating for the 12th time that season he was on the team to help and assist others not to take over) calls for an iso play for himself off the elbow and Bowen stays with him with one, two, three cross over and fake combos...then jordan tries to fake Bowen out again and actually falls on his own ass (though to jordan's credit [and perhaps bowen's timidness at the time...] he did not lose his dribble)
??

Rememba dat?

Bowen stayed with him and didn't go for the gamble, wizards ended up airballing it or some shit with jordan passing to a teamate with 1 second left on the shot clock.

Cant_Be_Faded
07-19-2007, 06:08 PM
Then at the end of the game wizards had a chance to win it with a freak play and Jackson was on Jordan like he had 2 ounces of dro and a 40 hanging out of his pocket.....then the buzzer rang and Jackson hugs Jordan (jordan with a look on his face like do i know this punk?) and says "Good game Jowdan!"

T Park
07-19-2007, 06:11 PM
the 12 will definately swing from the rafters along with the 20, 9, 21.

Cant_Be_Faded
07-19-2007, 06:17 PM
If I could meet 1 spur, just 1 spur in the history of spurs, it would be Bowen.

lotr1trekkie
07-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Yes

YODA
07-19-2007, 06:26 PM
Bowen one of the most underarated players in team history, but I still cant put him on retiring his jersey. There have been lots of great players that cane thru here. Terry Cummings, Mike Mitchell, Alvin Robinson and Artis Gilmore to name a few.
James Silas first got in for being great under pressure, but he never won a title.
Johinny Moore got in probably more for coming back from desert fever.
Geroge Gervin is just a given
Sean elliot was well liked and he too was a come back from major opertation

seems to me that the ones who got in were well liked by the community and were major contrubutors on the court. I think Bowen is a class act and very underrated, but to retire his jersey? might as well retire Manu's and Ton Parkers Jerseys too. The one I think needs to be up there is Avery Johnson. Without him, we may be still searching for a title.

just my 2 cents worth
Yoda
Do or to not,,,,there is no try

J.T.
07-19-2007, 07:16 PM
This current Spurs core of players (Tim, Tony, Manu, Bruce) has 3 titles together. If they played in the 90s they would have taken at least 3 of Jordan's titles and we would probably be talking to this day about one of the greatest matchups ever, Bowen against Jordan.

But I guess we'll have to live with 4 titles and half of the leagues "superstars" whining like little girls every time they have to play the Spurs because they're afraid of Bowen.

I think it's almost guaranteed that #21, #20, #9, and #12 are going up in the rafters after they all retire.

Spurminator
07-19-2007, 07:21 PM
Yep.

spurscenter
07-19-2007, 07:33 PM
I love Bruce, but No.

21, 20, 9 and 50, 00, 13

6, 12, 5 on the bubble.

bdictjames
07-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Yes. He's the whole key to the Spurs' plan of defense.

Strike
07-19-2007, 07:46 PM
No his jersey should be retired.

Bowen HIMSELF hasn't even retired yet! How are you gonna retire the man's number when he's still an active player???



Ok, sarcasm and bullshit joking aside, when Bowen retires I feel his number should be retired. He has been an integral part of 3 Spurs championship runs. If that doesn't merit number retirement, nothing does.

Avitus1
07-19-2007, 08:00 PM
Yes

barbacoataco
07-19-2007, 08:25 PM
I think if you look at other MLB, NFL and NBA teams, Bowen meats the qualifications to have his jersey retired. A key player on multiple championship teams.

If you look at bowen's 1st and 2nd team All-Defense selections, he has credentials. manu and parker are also headed for jersey retirement, and maybe the HOF.

SANANTOJAMES
07-19-2007, 08:34 PM
hell yes

bigfundamental21
07-19-2007, 08:37 PM
Without a doubt #12 should be up there when Bowen hangs it up, along with #9, #20, and #21.

lqbeyond
07-19-2007, 08:41 PM
yes

spurscenter
07-19-2007, 08:55 PM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.

would you retire Horry's #5?

genghisrex
07-19-2007, 09:00 PM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.
Bowen's been a more important player to this team than Horry.

justanotherspursfan
07-19-2007, 09:05 PM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.

would you retire Horry's #5?
No you don't. Bowen's been a starter for the better part of the decade, he's been the ultimate iron man, and he's been the key to shutting down Kobe and various other perimeter threats. Horry has certainly hit some big shots and made some heady plays, but he's only been here since '04, and he's played limited minutes. Horry is a reach.

Bowen, however, is a mortal lock.

Kiss my asterisk
07-19-2007, 09:17 PM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.

would you retire Horry's #5?

Why? Horry's a role player - Bowen's central to our success. Not saying that Horry hasn't been important but he's not the chess piece Bowen's been. That said, I'm on the fence as far as retiring his jersey. At the end of the day, I think his defense and contribution has to be acknowledged and I say yes.

Mitch Cumsteen
07-19-2007, 09:50 PM
Bowen is the symbol of everything the Spurs system stands for: defense, toughness, coming to work everyday, professionalism, being a role model off the court, making a commitment to the community, sacrificing personal glory for the team, etc. If they don't retire his number it would be a travesty.

jay014
07-19-2007, 09:51 PM
no, maybe if he wins one more.Horry no,and I don't think a.j. deserves to have his jersey retired he was just a fan favorite.I remember when Ginobili was first introduced at a press conference holding up that #6 jersey and the following day alot of spurs fans started complaining a.j's jersey should be retired.Spurs front office didn't think a.j. should have his # retired.#9,#20,and #21 will be up there without argument.

remingtonbo2001
07-19-2007, 10:14 PM
I don't think we'll retire Horry's jersey, maybe, but I wouldn't put good money on it. That being said, I think Horry could be considered for the Hall of Fame, while Bruce, maybe not so much. Not saying that Bruce isn't great, I just don't think he will recieve the recognition he deserves. At least, he hasn't yet....DPOY?

BIG z
07-19-2007, 10:14 PM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.

would you retire Horry's #5?

Bowen has been here in San Antonio for much of his career, if u say that we retire Horry's Jersey its like saying that chicago and us should be retiring Steve Kers Jersey..

Leetonidas
07-19-2007, 10:25 PM
I personally think yes.

spurscenter
07-19-2007, 10:35 PM
WOW I FORGOT #44 to my post

SORRY GEORGE!

The Truth #6
07-19-2007, 10:43 PM
I love Bruce, but No.

21, 20, 9 and 50, 00, 13

6, 12, 5 on the bubble.

I think Walter Berry should get his jersey retired as soon as possible.

lefty
07-19-2007, 10:44 PM
We should retire Scola's jersey

pjjrfan
07-19-2007, 10:58 PM
YEs he deserves it.

Brutalis
07-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Of course.

I'm trying to tell myself that the question was honestly just trying to find out the retards who would say no.

He is a Spur HOFer. Just not an NBA HOFer if you can understand what I'm saying.

Emeyin
07-20-2007, 02:40 AM
Most definitely.

mathbzh
07-20-2007, 04:52 AM
Yes!
It would be a nice way to reward a hard worker and a key player for that team.

Bruno
07-20-2007, 04:53 AM
Yes, I will be pissed if Spurs don't do it.

timvp
07-20-2007, 05:11 AM
Yes, I will be pissed if Spurs don't do it.
:tu

Supreme_Being
07-20-2007, 05:18 AM
If you retire Bowen, you have to retire Horry.

would you retire Horry's #5?

Why the fuck is Horry a part of the bundle? We're having a bruce talk here.

Texas_Ranger
07-20-2007, 06:13 AM
Yes.

ObiwanGinobili
07-20-2007, 07:51 AM
If I could meet 1 spur, just 1 spur in the history of spurs, it would be Bowen.

yeah. ^^



and YES to the jersey question.

rascal
07-20-2007, 08:40 AM
No. Bowen is not worthy. A one dimensional player should not have his jersey retired.

rascal
07-20-2007, 08:45 AM
Bowen is over rated on here. Spurs would have won anyways without him and another average defender with a better offensive game.

Retired jerseys should only be for players worthy of the hall of fame.

spurster
07-20-2007, 09:23 AM
What is it that 6 straight all-Defensive teams that Spurs fans don't understand?

Marcus Bryant
07-20-2007, 09:44 AM
Bowen is over rated on here. Spurs would have won anyways without him and another average defender with a better offensive game.

Retired jerseys should only be for players worthy of the hall of fame.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/144551752_972053be13.jpg

Spurs without Bruce.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/spurschamps/slideshows/spurslakersgame6/images/ACF4C16.jpg

Spurs with Bruce.

rascal
07-20-2007, 11:27 AM
Disagree. Those were the laker days with a younger Shaq and Kobe. They were a better team than the spurs. Bowen was on some of those teams that lost.

Switchman
07-20-2007, 11:59 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/144551752_972053be13.jpg

Spurs without Bruce.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/spurschamps/slideshows/spurslakersgame6/images/ACF4C16.jpg

Spurs with Bruce.

hahahahaha,

Marcus Bryant
07-20-2007, 12:02 PM
Disagree. Those were the laker days with a younger Shaq and Kobe. They were a better team than the spurs. Bowen was on some of those teams that lost.

With Bowen the Spurs defeated one of the greatest teams of all time and were competitive in the series they lost. With average perimeter defenders on Kobe the Spurs suffered the most embarrasing rout in Western Conference Finals history.

samikeyp
07-20-2007, 12:11 PM
Yes. This isn't the Hall. Team jersey retirements allow teams to recognize those players who were a key part of a team's success yet were not superstars. Bowen clearly was a major part of the Spurs' last 3 championships.

Exactly. Bowen's stats are not awe-inspiring but his contributions to the team, franchise and city are. A team can retire anyone's jersey for any reason they want. There are no set criteria so there really is no wrong or right. I say yes but not just because of his basketball, but also his work in the community.



Sean elliot was well liked and he too was a come back from major opertation

For you Timvp...Elliott :)

Sean was also a two-time all-star as well as a city favorite.

ShoogarBear
07-20-2007, 01:24 PM
This is a no-brainer.

Anyone who doesn't want to retire it doesn't understand the concept of what it's all about.

E20
07-20-2007, 01:36 PM
Depends on how important the Spurs org. thinks of him and his services.

rascal
07-20-2007, 01:44 PM
I believe you need the awe inspiring stats to get your jersey retired. Not just be a starting member of a team that won two or three titles. Then Manu and Parker get their jerseys retired also because they were key members of championship teams.

You see where this is going? Only hall of fame players should get their jerseys retired.

E20
07-20-2007, 01:55 PM
I believe you need the awe inspiring stats to get your jersey retired. Not just be a starting member of a team that won two or three titles. Then Manu and Parker get their jerseys retired also because they were key members of championship teams.

You see where this is going? Only hall of fame players should get their jerseys retired.
And who are you to say that? It's the Spurs orginzation to decide whether Bowen was a player worthy enough of retiring his jersey. I guess basketball for you means stats are everything and nothing else.

Marcus Bryant
07-20-2007, 02:38 PM
Jersey retirements allow players who were instrumental in one way or another for a franchise to be recognized, even though they don't have HOF stats.

Spurminator
07-20-2007, 02:40 PM
I believe you need the awe inspiring stats to get your jersey retired. Not just be a starting member of a team that won two or three titles. Then Manu and Parker get their jerseys retired also because they were key members of championship teams.

You see where this is going? Only hall of fame players should get their jerseys retired.


Tony and Manu will get their jerseys retired, so I don't see how this is some kind of slippery slope.

spurscenter
07-20-2007, 04:18 PM
I dont think Bowen but its a borderline call.

I think if he wins DPOY , yes.

Avery Johnson then too if you get Bowen in .

BigBeezie
07-20-2007, 09:38 PM
I say yes. Bruce has done a lot for the team and the city.

spurscenter
07-20-2007, 11:47 PM
Again , you give it to Bowen, you HAVE to give it to AVERY. They both Meant the same in 2 different ways to the Spurs.

We are basing Bowen on what he meant to the team, same with Avery. We all know Bowen is not Manu, Parker or Duncan or Gervin in terms of All Star caliber player, 20/10 etc.

Giving it to Bowen is like Johnny Moore getting his retired.

Only spurs fans really know what he did espically in the 90's where games were less televised.

Everyone knows Bowen because of the popularity of the NBA now but still 10-20 years from now, you will have to explain why Bowen got his retired over say Duncan, Parker, etc.

The average fan who follows the NBA here and there in 15 years, will know Duncan, heard of David Robinson, Tony Parker and Manu, even maybe George Gervin, but you would have to describe why Bowen got his number retired.

Kind like a side kick to Parish, Larry Bird, McHale --- Cedric Maxwell in Boston, got his CELTIC jersey retired last year, many argued WHY HIM, but he was instrumental in one championship and was a staple to all three stars.

So i guess if Cedric can get his retired, Bowen can too.

but Im old school and I love how the baseball hall of fame works and makes it really hard to get in and snubs alot of worthy people based on votes, its not easy and it shouldnt be.

This isnt the HALL of FAME, this is the SPURS hall of fame of sorts but in my own preference, I like to see only SuperStars get their jersey retired.

DUNCAN, PARKER, MANU, GERVIN, SILAS, S. ELLIOT, MOORE

Flip a Coin: Bruce Bowen / Avery Johnson

Worth Mentioning but NO: Mike Mitchell, Larry Kenon, Robert Horry, Terry Cummings, Eric Williams

spurscenter
07-20-2007, 11:57 PM
ON A WAY DIFFERENT NOTE:

When Jordan dies, the whole league needs to retire the #23.

He moved the NBA from dark arenas to pop culture.

I wouldnt say jackie Robinson like, thats an injustice to the importance of Jackie but in a way similar in the progression of the NBA from the 70's to the 80's

It changed the game, the presentation and most importantly, IT CHANGED the lives of the players, revenue for players increased yearly as well as for teams and more oppurtunities for marketing revenue as well.

Changed the whole image of the NBA , to the one we know now.

He really changed the game of basketball.

although, he sucks as GM "Kwame Brown".

http://espn.go.com/i/sportscentury/inline/s_jordan.jpg

http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016048.html


Michael Jordan transcends hoops
By Larry Schwartz
Special to ESPN.com
Was it really less than a decade ago that some doubted Michael Jordan? That he was considered all style and no substance? That he would continue to win scoring championships but that he would never elevate his team to a championship?

Now, as the century draws to a close, Jordan is recognized as an icon. Tall, dark and bald, he is the first man of the planet. The former Chicago Bulls guard had the rarest of gifts, the ability to transcend his sport. His fame and skill were intertwined, much as they were in earlier generations for a select few, such as the Babe and Ali.

"What has made Michael Jordan the First Celebrity of the World is not merely his athletic talent," Sports Illustrated wrote, "but also a unique confluence of artistry, dignity and history."

Michael Jordan
No one knew just how big Michael Jordan the skinny Chicago Bulls rookie would become someday.

His array of incredible moves and scintillating dunks delighted fans. There is an aura of class surrounding him that is lacking in many of today's athletes, even down to his dress, which is normally a thousand-dollar suit, tie knotted perfectly and a diamond-studded hoop in his left ear. But more than the clothes making the man, this man has made himself.

"In a world where celebrity wannabes feel they have a right to be whiny and boorish," Frank Deford wrote in SI, "Jordan has been remarkably dignified."

Unassuming as he appears, Jordan became a star of stars, chauffeured in limos, escorted by bodyguards, pursued by fans, media and sponsors. He made millions from the Bulls and millions more from his role as pitchman for everything from Wheaties to Gatorade, from McDonald's to Nike, with his Air Jordan sneakers spurring Nike's growth.

Jordan wasn't born a star, the player of whom Larry Bird said, "It's just God disguised as Michael Jordan." Jordan couldn't even make the varsity as a sophomore at Laney High School in Wilmington, N.C.

"It was embarrassing not making that team," said the owner of two Olympic gold medals. "They posted the roster and it was there for a long, long time without my name on it. I remember being really mad, too, because there was a guy who made it that really wasn't as good as me."

Instead of pouting or making excuses over failure, Jordan uses it to spur him to greater achievement. For that alone youngsters should want to "Be Like Mike."

Jordan made himself into a megastar. His burning desire to win, his utter refusal to quit, his desire to carry his team to the mountaintop made him a legend in his time.

"Whenever I was working out and got tired and figured I ought to stop, I'd close my eyes and see that list in the locker room without my name on it," Jordan said, "and that usually got me going again."

Lead the Bulls to one NBA championship and he wanted a second. Win five rings and he wanted a sixth. He didn't know when to stop. In a world where so many people are satisfied with themselves, the 6-foot-6 Jordan was always pushing, pushing, pushing, both himself and his teammates.

Listen to two people who knew him before he was famous. There's Ruby Sutton, phys ed teacher at Laney: "He never wanted to lose in anything. That was in-born into him. I normally get to school between 7 and 7:30. Michael would be at school before I would. Every time I'd come in and open these doors, I'd hear the basketball. Fall, wintertime, summertime. Most mornings I had to run Michael out of the gym."

Said Fred Lynch, then assistant coach, now head coach at Laney: "More than anything, he was a sore loser. Just playing pickup games. He'd get on his teammates all the time. He hasn't changed that. What he always expected was everybody play the game as hard as he played it."

While many have played sports hard, few have ever combined such desire with skill and grace under pressure. Probably no player in the history of basketball has ever stuck so many significant shots as Jordan. Think of how many times that Jordan - literally and figuratively - has risen to the occasion.

The first time was as a North Carolina freshman against Georgetown. Legs up, wrist back, tongue out, his 17-foot jumper with 15 seconds left gave the Tar Heels the 1982 NCAA championship. "The kid doesn't even realize it yet, but he's part of history now," said Eddie Fogler, then a North Carolina assistant coach. "People will remember that shot 25 years from now."

There was his hanging, double-clutch jumper for the Bulls over the Cleveland Cavaliers' Craig Ehlo at the buzzer in a deciding 1989 playoff game. And how many times did he make the Jazz sing "Uncle?" There was Game 5 of the 1997 Finals when, ravaged by a stomach virus, Jordan crawled out of his sick bed to score 38 points, including the decisive three-pointer with 25 seconds left. And in his final contest, Game 6 of the 1998 Finals, with the Bulls down by three with 40 seconds left, he scored on a layup, stole the ball, and hit the winning jumper. How many superstars have exited on such a high?

(Of course, this is only a partial list of Jordan's clutch performances. Because the computer only has several billion bytes, we'll stop now before we fill it up.)

That final jump shot gave the Bulls their second three-peat of the nineties. If not for Jordan's decision to take more than a year and a half off beginning in 1993 and play minor league baseball for a season, it's possible the Bulls could have won eight consecutive championships.

And through all his brilliant successes, Jordan showed his human side. Even his gambling excesses on golf courses and at casinos make him appear more human. With his father James at his side in 1991, he openly cried while cradling the Larry O'Brien Trophy after the Bulls won their first championship.

ZONE POLL


Five years later, after beating the Sonics on Father's Day for the title, he again sobbed openly while laying face down on the locker room carpet. The previous time the Bulls had a won a title, in 1993, it also was on Father's Day, which was the last for James Jordan. The son had shown the country his pain when his father was murdered that summer.

Jordan was born on Feb. 17, 1963 in Brooklyn, N.Y., the fourth of five children. That spring, the family moved to Wilmington. After playing junior varsity basketball as a high school sophomore, Jordan made the varsity his final two years, starring as a senior and earning a scholarship to North Carolina.

He started as a freshman, a rarity for a Dean Smith team. His shot against Georgetown boosted his confidence, and the next two seasons he was a first-team All-American. Turning pro in 1984 after his junior season when he was College Player of the Year, he was the third pick in the draft, after Akeem Olajuwon by Houston and Sam Bowie by Portland.

While the Bulls knew they were getting an outstanding player, they didn't realize how great he would become. Playing 11 full seasons, he led the league in scoring a record 10 times, and in 1986-87 became the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score more than 3,000 points in a season, getting 3,041. His 31.5 scoring average is the highest in NBA history and with 29,277 points he's fourth all-time behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Chamberlain and Karl Malone.

He won the regular-season MVP five times and the Finals MVP six times. In 1991 and 1992, he became the only player to win back-to-back regular season and Finals MVP awards, and in 1993 he became the first to win the Finals MVP three consecutive years, a feat he repeated from 1996-98.

On Jan. 13, 1999, Jordan, at 35, retired - again. This time, his Airness said he was at peace with his decision and that it appeared to be for good. "I know from a career standpoint I have accomplished everything that I could as an individual," he said.

spurscenter
07-20-2007, 11:59 PM
Jordan is just the ticket to boost NBA attendance

The chance to see Michael Jordan play is expected to fill stadiums nationwide. The Chicago Bulls have sold out 610 consecutive games over a 13 year period with Jordan. Lower demand teams are even forced to hire additional staff when Jordan comes to town. Not only is he increasing the demand for Bulls tickets, but for the NBA as a whole. Simply put, Michael Jordan sells. With Jordan, the Washington Wizards have sold over 2,000 more season tickets from the previous year and have been included in many opponents’ ticket packages even though Washington only won 19 games last season. The chance to see Jordan play caused an enormous increase in demand which ultimately brought about an increase in price as floor seats increased from $175 to sell for $500 and up.
(Rovell, Darren. “Jordan is just the ticket to boost NBA attendance.” ESPN.com, September, 25, 2002)

An NBA makeover, bless you, ESPN

Many greats such as Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing are retiring and other superstars are past their prime are causing a down period for the NBA. ESPN has now been contracted to debut NBA games, which will most likely bring the youth back to watching the sport. With ESPN publicizing NBA games, many feel the demand for the NBA will be on the rise as ESPN attracts younger viewers with its snazzy commercials and unique style. In an attempt to bring newer technology to the sport of basketball, ESPN has developed two new camera angles, the floor cam and the free flight camera. This new technology along with younger viewers will help the NBA form a trendier identity and increase the demand for the sport.
(Fitzgerald, Toni. “An NBA makeover, bless you, ESPN.” medialifemagazine.com, Nov. 1, 2002)

Still In the Game

As the NBA ended its lockout in January of 1999, many expected the league to suffer immensely. Yet this was not the case. The lockout occurred because the owners and players greedily could not agree on how to split two billion dollars. The season was truncated to only fifty games nonetheless the leagues average attendance has only dropped 191 people since last year. If the Atlanta Hawks are tossed out of the average, who are currently playing in temporary courts until the construction of their new arena finishes, the decline in attendance disappears. Attendance, television ratings and sponsorships although expected to decline, have all increased slightly. Even teams such as the 11-24 Dallas Mavericks are seeing an increase of 23% in attendance and an increase in TV ratings.
(Alm, Richard. “Still In the Game.” Dallas Morning News, 4/10/99)

Spurs give NBA Big Boost in League’s Overall Attendance
This article discusses the overall attendance of the NBA 92-93 season to the 93-94 season. The NBA has continued to increase the demand of the game to an average attendance of 16,000, up from 15,977. Of the 27 teams in the league, 14 had increased attendance, 5 stayed the same, and 8 went down. The Spurs have continued to raise their attendance by reaching out to areas within 140 miles of San Antonio. Other teams such as the Nuggets have chosen to change their logo and introduce family deals. These two strategies have proven to increase attendance. Marketing Managers for NBA teams consider an NBA game as two and a half hours of non stop entertainment which have caused teams to give away millions of free-bie’s at games.

(Reed, Richard B. Spurs Give NBA Big Boost in League's Overall Attendance, ESPN.com, 2/16/96)





Scholarly Journals

Marketing Techniques Used by NBA Franchises to Promote Home Game Attendance

Abstract:
Marketing strategies used by NBA teams allow franchises to improve home game ticket sales. Mawson and Coan sent a Market Techniques Questionnaire to each of the 22 NBA teams to see how they rated different marketing techniques in terms of increasing home game attendance. The questionnaire contained 22 marketing techniques in which to rate. These franchises were separated into high and low attendance groups for seasonal percent capacity. Franchises with low attendance were more likely to agree that strategic planning and newspaper advertising are more effective techniques.

Extended Abstract
(Mawson, M.L; Coan, E.E. Sport marketing quarterly (Morgantown, W. Va.); Mar 1994: 3 (1). p. 37-45)



NBA Marketing Directors’ Perceptions of Effective Marketing Techniques: A Longitudinal Perspective

Abstract:
In the ten-year period between the 1988-89 season and the 1997-98 season, the NBA has undergone an increase in ticket sales, but after the 98 seasons, sales began to decline. This study done by Dick and Sack show the marketing strategies that boost home team ticket sales. The largest increase in marketing techniques used by NBA Marketing Directors from the 88-89 to 97-98 seasons are TV and radio advertising and the promotion of star players. Techniques that have declined over this period are strategic planning, promotional giveaways, and direct mailing. Dick and Sack also separate marketing strategies between small and large market franchises and prove that it is more effective for smaller market franchises to use TV advertising, special events, ticket packages, marketing research, open houses, and booster clubs to increase ticket sales.

Extended Abstract

(Dick, Ronald; Sack, Allen L. “NBA Marketing Directors’ Perceptions of Effective Marketing Techniques: A Longitudinal Perspective.” International Sports Journal, Winter2003, Vol 7 Issue 1, p88, 12p, 3 charts)



Factors associated with success among NBA teams

Abstract:
This study test twenty variables to see which prove to be most significant in correlating to the winning percentage of a team. Onwuegbuzie finds that field goal conversion percentage accounts for 61.4% of the variance in winning percentages, while average three-point conversion percentage of the opposing teams explained 18.9%. These two variables combined to explain 80.3% of the total variance in winning percentage. This means that offensive presence is more superior than defensive in order to win games.

Extended Abstract

(Onwuegbuzie, Anthony J. “Factors associated with success among NBA teams.” The Sport Journal, 1998)



Stars at the Gate: The Impact of Star Power on NBA Gate Revenues

Abstract:
The NBA has the lowest competitive balance of any North American professional sports league. This focal point of this study is to test how different variables affect gate revenue. The most significant variables were wins, championships won, All-Star votes received, stadium age and capacity, and population. The ability of NBA teams to produce wins proves most superior in increasing revenue for franchises.

Extended Abstract
(Berri, David; Schmidt, Martin B; Brook, Stacey L. “Stars at the Gate.” Journal of Sports Economics, Vol. 5 No. 1, February 2004 p.33-50)

The Truth #6
07-21-2007, 12:02 AM
How the hell do you give it to Johnny Moore but not Bowen?

We should celebrate the key players of this championship run. There's no guarantee at all it's ever going to happen again.

And no, you don't have to give it to Avery if you give it to Bowen.

Avery is more in the Malik Rose argument, which at this point is not very strong.

THE SIXTH MAN
07-21-2007, 12:12 AM
Yes to Bowen, Manu, and Parker. They should have their jerseys retired. To me since its a teams decision and not one made by the media, league officials, or panel of judges, it should be about what they player meant to the franchise. And not based on just stats alone.

justanotherspursfan
07-21-2007, 12:13 AM
Again , you give it to Bowen, you HAVE to give it to AVERY. They both Meant the same in 2 different ways to the Spurs.

We are basing Bowen on what he meant to the team, same with Avery. We all know Bowen is not Manu, Parker or Duncan or Gervin in terms of All Star caliber player, 20/10 etc.
I respect Avery's contributions and I am not an Avery hater, but they are not comparable. Avery had some massive intangibles, but on the court, calling him "average" would be generous.

Bowen is not a 20/10 guy, and he'll never be named to the All Star team, but he's been All Defense for his entire stay here. This is not a team that won by dropping 120 a night on people, it's a team that won by getting stops. And Bruce is damn near the Michael Jordan of getting stops on the perimeter. He has a gift for man defense that only a few other guys in the league can even come close to. In a perfect world, the league would recognize that gift and he would be considered for the Hall of Fame for that ability. Since the world is less than perfect, it's up to the Spurs orgsanization and fans to recognize Bruce's greatness.

I can't believe that there are Spurs fans that have watched this whole series of title runs and somehow still don't understand what Bruce means to this team. The mind boggles.

spurscenter
07-21-2007, 12:25 AM
No way does Malik rose deserve his jersey retired. He was just a role player. Lets not bring him up in any future jersey retirement threads. lol

BIG z
07-21-2007, 12:32 AM
No way Malik all he did was being great in the playoffs for once and then ate our money after that..

spurscenter
07-21-2007, 04:20 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/144551752_972053be13.jpg

Spurs without Bruce.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/spurschamps/slideshows/spurslakersgame6/images/ACF4C16.jpg

Spurs with Bruce.
haha