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spurscenter
07-19-2007, 10:39 PM
When the Sonics hired P.J. Carlesimo to be their coach, local newspapers ran all kinds of biographical information on him.

On and on it went, understandably, because the man has coached for years, but nothing caught my attention until I noticed the stuff about his personal life.

A lot of 58-year-olds have two kids, but most are in their 20s or 30s, out of school and starting their own families.

Carlesimo's kids are 4 and 2. Kyle's not even in kindergarten yet, and Casey's in diapers.

As a 50-year-old father of 3-year-old twins, I wondered how he copes, and if he, too, sometimes wants to shoot himself.

I also wondered if he gets mistaken for being the grandpa instead of the dad, and sure enough, he does. His story has an extra kicker.

At a Starbucks in San Francisco, Carlesimo was mistaken for being the grandpa, and worse than that, the guy behind the counter thought his wife was his daughter. Ouch.

It's possible -- Carlesimo's wife, Carolyn, is 39. The coach said she's 18 years younger than him, rounding up ages, but she won't turn 40 until October. She's the same age as his youngest brother, and he gets grief for that, too.

"Luckily, P.J. has the greatest self-confidence and self-esteem of anyone I've ever known," Carolyn said. "It doesn't faze him. But it is kind of funny."

Said Carlesimo: "It's just more abuse, which I'm used to taking."

He always wanted children. Carlesimo's parents each had nine siblings, and he was the oldest of 10 kids in his family. But Carlesimo never had a serious girlfriend until he met Carolyn when he was 49.

Until then, "a long-term relationship for me was dating for a long time with zero regularity," Carlesimo said.

Ask him if ever had a fiancée before Carolyn, and he'll say: "Far from it."

But he knew right away when he met Carolyn, a sports psychologist who worked at the Olympic Club in San Francisco, where Carlesimo was a member while coaching at Golden State.

"I was starting to wonder if it would ever happen," Carlesimo said. "It's hard to get married if you haven't met the person you want to marry."

He proposed on New Year's Eve of 2000 in his apartment, saying: "I don't even know why the hell I picked the millennium to be honest with you." They were married the following July when Carlesimo was 51.

Was he sure he wanted to have kids at his age? "Absolutely," he said. "It wasn't like we've got to get married so we can have kids right away, but it was something we talked about."

Carolyn said her husband's a natural dad. His father was a football coach and athletic director, and the kids all pitched in to help out their mom. Carlesimo grew up in Scranton, Pa., changing diapers and baby-sitting, an older brother doubling as father figure.

Their roles are different from most moms and dads -- Carolyn's the carefree one, and Carlesimo's the overprotective worrywart.

"The thing about P.J., people who don't know him only see him as a coach and think he's tough," Carolyn said. "But he's the most soft-hearted, sensitive, sweet guy in the world.

"He's happy holding babies. It's weird to find a guy who is happy as can be changing diapers and getting up at night."

When Kyle was born July 30, 2002, in San Francisco, Carlesimo stopped the car on the way home to make sure he was still breathing.

Kyle loves basketball and is quite the shooter, making his first basket this year on a 10-foot hoop. His wardrobe consists of Spurs gear from head to toe, but Carlesimo says that will change from black and white to green and gold when they get to Seattle. Spurs guard Brent Barry promised to give him some of his old Sonics jerseys.

Casey's more rambunctious. "He's like a little maniac," Carlesimo said. "He's completely out of control."

As an assistant coach at San Antonio, Carlesimo had less responsibility and more time to be home.

As a head coach in Seattle, he knows he will have to improve his time management, using part of his day to rebuild a team and part of his day to be a dad.

"It's going to be a little more of a challenge," he said. "I'll try to get home at a better hour, in the early evening. And when I'm home with the kids and Carolyn, it will be down time."

Said Carolyn: "He has his priorities in order. He'll be fine."

"This is something I wanted to do," Carlesimo said. "I'm real happy with the two little guys."

What about a third little guy or a first little girl? No, they said, not a chance.
P-I columnist Jim Moore can be reached at 206-448-8013 or [email protected]. His columns appear Tuesday, Thursday and Friday.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/moore/324261_moore19.html

ploto
07-19-2007, 10:41 PM
PJ does look adorable with his kids.

Findog
07-19-2007, 10:42 PM
But Carlesimo never had a serious girlfriend until he met Carolyn when he was 49.

Until then, "a long-term relationship for me was dating for a long time with zero regularity," Carlesimo said.

Ask him if ever had a fiancée before Carolyn, and he'll say: "Far from it."

But he knew right away when he met Carolyn, a sports psychologist who worked at the Olympic Club in San Francisco, where Carlesimo was a member while coaching at Golden State.

"I was starting to wonder if it would ever happen," Carlesimo said. "It's hard to get married if you haven't met the person you want to marry."

Good for him, that's nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not something most men would want to deal with. I guess P.J. was love-shy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love-shyness

justanotherspursfan
07-19-2007, 10:45 PM
Good for him, that's nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not something most men would want to deal with. I guess P.J. was love-shy?
He was a successful college basketball coach for years before then. For all we know, he may have had sophomores lined up 4-deep every night. :lol

Findog
07-19-2007, 10:49 PM
He was a successful college basketball coach for years before then. For all we know, he may have had sophomores lined up 4-deep every night. :lol

Somehow I doubt that. Sex is great, I'm not going to deny it, but devoting yourself to fucking 24/7 won't enrich your life. P.J. has always struck me as a man of substance.

lefty
07-19-2007, 10:51 PM
He was a successful college basketball coach for years before then. For all we know, he may have had sophomores lined up 4-deep every night. :lol


Damn....how about Rick Pitino then ???? :dizzy

justanotherspursfan
07-19-2007, 10:51 PM
Somehow I doubt that. Sex is great, I'm not going to deny it, but devoting yourself to fucking 24/7 won't enrich your life. P.J. has always struck me as a man of substance.
I'm not sure.

He strikes me more as someone who grew a lot after learning from his failures than as someone who has always been wise about things, though I could be mistaken about that.

Findog
07-19-2007, 11:10 PM
I'm not sure.

He strikes me more as someone who grew a lot after learning from his failures than as someone who has always been wise about things, though I could be mistaken about that.

I've always been a fan of the guy, I think everything that has transpired since the "incident" has shown that Sprewell was the bigger dick. Being a full-time coach doesn't leave much time for orgies.

justanotherspursfan
07-19-2007, 11:19 PM
I've always been a fan of the guy, I think everything that has transpired since the "incident" has shown that Sprewell was the bigger dick. Being a full-time coach doesn't leave much time for orgies.
I'm not blaming PJ for the incident, but I also don't think he was nearly as good a coach back then as he is now. He was a lot more rash in his decision-making, and wasn't nearly as good at relating to players. I say this as someone who thinks PJ was fabulous with the Spurs, and wishes him well with the Sonics. He's a great guy.

And yeah, I doubt he was holding orgies or anything back in the day. My point was more that there's a lot of opportunities for whatever if you're on a college campus. and you're a big deal there. Just because you're not in a long-term relationship doesn't mean you're going without. If anything, devoting all the energy required to be an elite coach likely means that it's a lot easier to see people for brief periods than it is to build a long-term relationship.

Findog
07-19-2007, 11:20 PM
I'm not blaming PJ for the incident, but I also don't think he was nearly as good a coach back then as he is now. He was a lot more rash in his decision-making, and wasn't nearly as good at relating to players. I say this as someone who thinks PJ was fabulous with the Spurs, and wishes him well with the Sonics. He's a great guy.

And yeah, I doubt he was holding orgies or anything back in the day. My point was more that there's a lot of opportunities for whatever if you're on a college campus. and you're a big deal there. Just because you're not in a long-term relationship doesn't mean you're going without. If anything, devoting all the energy required to be an elite coach likely means that it's a lot easier to see people for brief periods than it is to build a long-term relationship.

Those are all good points, I hadn't considered that angle. In any event, we can wish him well for his success, it's well-deserved.

sa_kid20
07-19-2007, 11:39 PM
His wardrobe consists of Spurs gear from head to toe, but Carlesimo says that will change from black and white to green and gold when they get to Seattle. Spurs guard Brent Barry promised to give him some of his old Sonics jerseys.



:lol

spurscenter
07-19-2007, 11:52 PM
PJ CARLESIMO inspired the movie

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5274/fortyyearoldvirginov0.jpg

spurscenter
07-21-2007, 01:48 AM
I really liked this article.



http://www.portlandtribune.com/news_graphics/118488681303353200.jpg
Now & then
A familiar face sets up shop with the Sonics

By kerry eggers

The acquisition of players like J.R. Rider (right) during P.J. Carlesimo’s run as Portland coach marked the beginning of the “Jail Blazers” era.

Can it be? Can it really be a full decade since P.J. Carlesimo ended his three-year run as coach of the Trail Blazers?

“In some ways, it seems like yesterday,” says Carlesimo, the new coach of the Seattle SuperSonics. “In some ways, it seems like a long time ago.”

Seems like yesterday that Carlesimo was taking his charges through three successive winning seasons – then an annual tradition in the City of Roses – only to lose each time in the first round of the playoffs.

Seems like a long time ago, though, when you consider that Carlesimo has gone through one head coaching job (Golden State), 2 1/2 years in broadcasting, and a five-year stint as lead assistant in San Antonio, which stocked his jewelry chest with three championship rings.

Now Carlesimo is back in the Northwest, coaching against the Blazers for the rival Sonics.

“And how’s this for irony?” Carlesimo muses over lunch at the Palms Resort & Casino in Las Vegas. “When I interviewed for the Portland job, we did the interview at (Portland owner) Paul Allen’s home in Seattle. With (Sonic General Manager) Sam Presti, the first interview took place at Hotel Monaco in Portland.”

Life is much different for Carlesimo now than it was during his time in Portland, when he was a seemingly confirmed bachelor, a denizen of late-night eateries (Jake’s Famous Crawfish, Opus Too, Ringside Steakhouse, Brasserie Montmartre, Genoa, Bugatti’s Ristorante and Il Fornaio, to name a few) and the only NBA head coach with a full beard.

Carlesimo, 58, still wears the beard, though more neatly trimmed and now speckled more with gray than red.

And his family life is much different. Married for seven years to Carolyn, a sports psychologist, they have two young sons – Kyle, 5, and Casey, 2.

“Fatherhood is unbelievable,” Carlesimo says, “but so is being married.”

By the time P.J. met Carolyn at the Olympic Club in San Francisco, shortly after he became coach of the Warriors, marriage didn’t seem in the cards.

“I had always wanted to get married,” says Carlesimo, one of 10 children in his family. “But I’d gotten so old. I was 51 … if you’d asked me, I’d have said, ‘I want to, but I don’t think I ever will. I don’t think I’m ever going to meet the right one.’ I’d had only two serious relationships my whole life.”

Then came Carolyn.

“First day I met her, I thought she was the right one,” he says. “She was attractive, I liked her instantly … and I just knew.”

The Carlesimos have gone through a health scare. In May 2006, Carolyn was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma. After bouts with chemotherapy and radiation, she is at the one-year mark for being considered cancer-free.

“Five years is what we’re looking for,” Carlesimo says. “For me, going through it was a hopeless feeling. You can’t do anything. Carolyn tolerated the treatments better than most people would, but it was hard for her. She feels and looks great now, and we’re hoping it’s over. That’s all we can do.”

Aside from meeting his future wife, everything else about his time in the Bay Area was a big zero. Carlesimo was fired after 2 1/2 years of losing, but sports fans will always remember his tenure there for one reason – the strangling incident involving guard Latrell Sprewell, who went after his coach after a practice. Nine years later, it still haunts Carlesimo.

“I would prefer that it hadn’t happened and it wasn’t the case, but I’m resigned to it,” he says. “A day or two after it happened, we realized how big it was going to be. It just took off. Within a week, it was evident it was going to be there forever, when they said my name and Spree’s, that’s how people associate us. It was inevitable.”

In the years since, Carlesimo has run into Sprewell a couple of times. The meetings have been brief and cordial. Carlesimo would have it no other way.
Team shuffled during tenure

Times were much happier in Portland, where Carlesimo leapfrogged from head coach at Seton Hall to head coach of the Blazers in one swoop. Allen and interim General Manager Brad Greenberg had tried to hire Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski with a megamillion-dollar offer, and when that failed, they stayed in the college ranks to land Carlesimo.

“I didn’t enjoy Portland – I loved Portland,” says Carlesimo, who lived for a month in Allen’s KOIN Tower apartment, then bought one there, where he stayed for his three years with the Blazers. “I loved the people, it’s a beautiful city and a great part of the country. It was as far away from New Jersey as could be, but I was happy from the first day I was on the job.”

Carlesimo arrived in Portland during a transitional period, and over the next three years, GM Bob Whitsitt – hired shortly after Carlesimo – ushered out the old regime, getting rid of Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey and Buck Williams.

By the time Carlesimo left, only Cliff Robinson and Chris Dudley remained from his first Blazer team. On came the first remnants of the Jail Blazers, with the likes of Rod Strickland, Gary Trent, Dontonio Wingfield, J.R. Rider, Rasheed Wallace and Stacey Augmon.

But Carlesimo had talent, and he turned it into seasons with 44, 44 and 49 victories. In succession, though, his teams lost in the first round of the playoffs to Phoenix, Utah and the L.A. Lakers, spelling his doom.

Carlesimo heard rumors midway through his final season that he would be fired, but the Blazers finished the regular season on a roll, winning 20 of their final 25 games, including 11 in a row. After the Lakers won three of four in the playoff series, Carlesimo got his pink slip.

“I was bummed out,” he says. “There were all kinds of stuff that had happened. Later on, I found out (Whitsitt) had been looking at and talking with Mike (Dunleavy, his successor) at midseason.

“It was disappointing. We had different teams in each of my three years. Bob said we were going to turn everything over the first year, but we kind of did that all three years. We thought we were moving in the right direction (in 1996-97), that we were going to be back next year and get homecourt advantage in the first round (of the playoffs).”
He ‘learned a lot from Pop’

After his time with Golden State, Carlesimo spent the next 2 1/2 years in broadcasting, including a part-time TV analyst job with San Antonio. In 2002, Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich asked Carlesimo if he was interested in returning to coaching. Carlesimo jumped at the opportunity, and it led to a glorious five years, with championships in 2003, ’05 and ’07.

“San Antonio is similar to the way Portland was when I was there,” Carlesimo says. “(The Spurs are) the only show in town, people are friendly and they love the team. If you work for the Spurs, you get treated so well.”

The experience working under Popovich was invaluable.

“I learned a lot from Pop,” Carlesimo says. “His off-the-floor relationship with the players is sensational. That allows him to do things he wants to do on the floor. Pop has run-ins, but his relationship with the players is so good, it makes everything work. They respect him enormously for what he has accomplished. If a player comes in there and Pop says stand on your head, OK, that’s what you do to win.”

Popovich’s relationship with his star, Tim Duncan, is essential to the team’s success, Carlesimo says.

“They’re on the same page,” Carlesimo says. “Pop probably gets on Tony (Parker) more, but Timmy is probably second among the guys on the team in terms of being criticized by Pop. It sets the tone. If Timmy makes a mistake, the other players know that’s the MVP of the league, and he just says, ‘OK, that’s the way it is here.’

“There’s this perception that Pop yells a lot. He doesn’t. When he does, he goes like a volcano, but it doesn’t bother the players. He’s unbelievable at seeing the big picture. His whole thing is to be playing your best basketball at the end of the regular season and into the playoffs.”
Seattle’s a whole new game

Will Carlesimo be a different coach in Seattle than he was in Portland?

“Yeah,” he says. “It’s been 10 years. This is my third head coaching job. I expect to be a better coach than I was. I should be. Players get better; coaches get better, too. I’ve coached for seven years, and during my time in broadcasting, I was able to watch the practices of a lot of different coaches and pick up some ideas. That was very educational.

“And the five years with Pop took it to a whole ’nother level in terms of winning championships and defense and relationships. Pop and I are similar people in a lot of ways. We have a very similar philosophy defensively, and in the kind of players we want to have. There are some things I’ll do differently, but other things I’ll steal.

“I’d better be a hell of a lot better coach than I was in Portland.”

Presti, who worked as a scout for San Antonio before becoming the NBA’s youngest general manager (30) with Seattle, is banking on it.

“We felt we needed a teacher, someone who could teach the game at a high level,” Presti says. “P.J.’s experience at both the college and pro level is something we’ll lean on heavily. We also need to get better defensively, and he has a strong defensive philosophy. He is consistent, he is organized and he will hold players accountable.

“He brings a professionalism and work ethic that will have a positive impact on the organization as a whole, not just on the younger players.”

Carlesimo says he can’t wait to get started working with a young Seattle team that will include a pair of rookies who went among the top five picks in the draft, Kevin Durant and Jeff Green.

“Sam wants to win a championship, but he also wants to build something that’s going to last long-term,” he says. “I couldn’t ask for a better situation.”

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Jazz game was off-key from the start

More than a decade later, P.J. Carlesimo sheds light on perhaps the most infamous loss in Trail Blazer playoff history — a 102-64 debacle at Utah in 1996.

At the time, it was the most one-sided game in the annals of NBA postseason play.

It came during the second season in Carlesimo’s three-year reign as Portland’s coach. Cliff Robinson, Rod Strickland and Arvydas Sabonis were the stars, and Harvey Grant, James Robinson and Gary Trent were among the role players.

After dropping the first two games of the best-of-five first-round series, the Blazers won games 3 and 4 at the Rose Garden, forcing a fifth game in Salt Lake City.

A bad omen came the day after Game 4, as Strickland arrived tardy to the airport — and apparently hungover — causing the team flight to leave 25 minutes late, Carlesimo says.

“He just looked terrible, but we weren’t playing until the next day, so it wasn’t that big a deal,” Carlesimo says.

Once the Blazers got to Salt Lake City, “he didn’t want to do the shootaround. He said he didn’t feel good. I was like, ‘Strick, big game tomorrow, we need you.’ I said to just stand and watch, but he wouldn’t dress.”

The Blazers laid a huge egg in Game 5, and years later, in a conversation with trainer Jay Jensen, Carlesimo got a little insight.

“Jay told me, ‘I knew we were dead in the locker room after we won Game 4,’ ” Carlesimo says. “He said three or four players were really pissed off that we had won. They had flights to the Bahamas or Jamaica the next two days. He said they were so mad they had to change their flights, he knew they weren’t going to be ready to play.”

Does Carlesimo think some of his players tanked Game 5?

“No,” he says. “Utah was still John (Stockton) and Karl (Malone), and Portland had lost a number of games in a row in (Utah’s) building. But we weren’t in the right frame of mind. You have to go in there thinking, ‘Hey, we can pull this off.’ Everything had to be right. It wasn’t.”

— Kerry Eggers

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=118488598699690200

spurscenter
07-21-2007, 02:05 AM
its two different stories

please dont combine

two different stories