The Official Tim Donaghy Ref Scandal Thread

[ducks]

Report: Florida lawmen called to home of NBA ref being investigated for betting on games

By The Associated Press
July 23, 2007

AP - Jul 20, 6:23 pm EDT
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NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who's being investigated by the FBI for betting on games he worked, had local lawmen at his Florida home Sunday because of threatening phone calls he's received, according to The New York Post.

Three squad cars from the Manatee County Sheriff's Office arrived at Donaghy's home in Bradenton, Fla.

"Our concern is for his safety and his family's safety," Sheriff's Lt. Robert McNealy told the newspaper for a story in Monday's editions. "We are definitely going to share any information we get with the FBI."
Authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered thousands of dollars over the past two seasons. Authorities say the referee had a gambling problem and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.

The Daily News reported Sunday, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.

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On Monday, the newspaper reported that former neighbors of Donaghy's in Pennsylvania say they were approached more than a year ago by a private investigator they believed was hired by the NBA to check into Donaghy's gambling habits.

Kit Antsey, a real estate agent in West Chester, Pa., who helped Donaghy buy a home, told The Daily News a private investigator contacted him 18 months ago and asked him whether Donaghy bet on sports and at an Atlantic City casino.

However, The New York Times reported Monday, citing two unidentified people briefed on the investigation, that the NBA didn't know about Donaghy's betting or whether he affected the outcome of games until after the season.

The Times and The Daily News also reported NBA commissioner David Stern plans to speak publicly about Donaghy this week, maybe as soon as Monday.

[da_suns_fan__]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U

[Marcus Bryant]

possibly name other officials and players involved

The plot thickens.

[BacktoBasics]

Its a virus don't click it.

[BacktoBasics]

How big is your vagina?

[BacktoBasics]

Is it possible to get corrective glasses for Nash eyes.

[MoSpur]

You knew this was coming. I'm suprised he didn't receive threatening calls before Sunday. Maybe he did.

[BacktoBasics]

Remember when your coach cried like a bitch in the press conference after the final game. What amazing class.

[BacktoBasics]

Remember when your best player ran onto the court and cost his team a few wins.

[da_suns_fan__]

Back to basics is having trouble coming to terms with this.

Your team didn't win. Its tainted....twice.

[BacktoBasics]

Remember when the Suns had Richard Dumas and he used to take bathroom breaks and shove shit up his nose.

[BacktoBasics]

Back to basics is having trouble coming to terms with this.

Youre team didn't win. Its tainted....twice.
The only thing thats tainted is your moms hatchet wound after giving birth to you.

[BacktoBasics]

Its a good think the Suns title isn't tainted

[BacktoBasics]

Remember first round matchups are victories too. Not everyone can make it to the big one.

[BacktoBasics]

The one advantage is that there are no tan lines on your teams ring fingers.

[BacktoBasics]

Fish.....its whats for dinner.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Is there anyway we can combine the phoenix sissies 'whoa is me ' posts into one thread? The p*ssies complaining has gotton old very quickk..I say man up you bitches and take it like a man that you got beat by a better team again!

[BacktoBasics]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u44/sabrinadamien/nash.jpg

Remember when you trainer completely shit out and refused to stitch Nash up. Remember how he kept replacing bandaid after bandaid with no results but still refused to take him back and stitch him up.

[BacktoBasics]

Pic of Nash as a child

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iamonion88/Esotropia2_web.jpg

[mullet]

hehe... ed rush made most of those calls

[BacktoBasics]

Nash's highschool sweatheart

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[BacktoBasics]

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[jbspurs]

you got to blame somebody!!

[RC's Boss]

The one advantage is that there are no tan lines on your teams ring fingers.
:lol

[BacktoBasics]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/MeriBeth4ac/gaycowboysfromthephoenixsuns.jpg

[mullet]

who is that in your sig RC's boss?

[BacktoBasics]

LOSERS

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/sunschick13/07playoffs_r1g5_dantoni-cal.jpg

[Soul_Patch]

lol this thread wins.

[BacktoBasics]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/sunschick13/07playoffs_r1g2_barbosa_6th.jpg


Good thing the only trophy Suns fan sees is from the dude who refused to even show up.

[BacktoBasics]

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[BacktoBasics]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t170/jag_7oh7/sunsgonefishinmn7xp1.jpg

[BacktoBasics]

OUCH

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[kris]

Has anybody watched the video? Donaghy didn't even make most of the calls. A few were bad calls, but not anything you couldn't point out in a non-donaghy game.

I think the first two were pretty bad, after that it was more of a video trying to get Eddie F. Rush in trouble.

[BacktoBasics]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w141/hopec1125/ODD/wallpaper_LouisCove_800.jpg

[Shred]

The obsession continuse. BacktoBasics is my best-trained monkey.

[K-State Spur]

is game 4 included on there where Phoenix would have trailed by 40 going into the 4th quarter if they had not been awarded an endless trip to the free throw line in the 3rd to keep them within striking distance? just curious...

[Hemotivo]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t170/jag_7oh7/Suns-Suck.jpg
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[rob5]

I think it's so sad that someone would go through all the trouble of putting together that video for a lost cause. Someone needs to change this guys diaper already. I guess you forgot to include the video of game 4 where the refs grab Amare by the arm and pull him out on the court during the Horry incident.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Notice how all the calls favour Phoenix?

Let me guess, it was the refs' fault that you hos got shithammered in game 6 too right?

[YODA]

I saw the video. The very first one they show of the ref calling the foul from mid court sure looked bad. A couple of the Ed RRush ones looked bad too. A few of the others I didnt think were alll that bad. We forget that the ONLY showed the bad calls versus the Suns. I wonder how many bad calls went against the spurs this game???
Anyone up for a video of the bad calls versus the spurs this game. How I would love to see that.

Yoda
Do or do not...there is no try

[da_suns_fan__]

The plot truly thickens....


The disgraced ref is said to be set to spill all - threatening to bring down anyone and everyone with him, sources said. He'll be naming names of other refs, coaches, players and game "validators," who sit unobtrusively in the stands to review calls on the court, the source said.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07232007/news/regionalnews/refs_hit_with_some_bad_calls_regionalnews_james_fa nelli_in__bradenton__fla___and_jana_winter_in_cape _may__n_j_.htm

[Spurminator]

Good. Hope he names games as well.

[FromWayDowntown]

Maybe now we'll know why Tim Duncan misses all of those free throws. . . .

[EastsBeasts]

Good, maybe he'll name Flip Saunders so he can be fired.

[Mister Sinister]

Maybe now we'll know why Tim Duncan misses all of those free throws. . . .
Because there's a league-wide conspiracy to make him suck at FT shooting?

[RC's Boss]

It would be really funny is Amare was one of those names!

[xamila rey]

wow, this is getting very interesting.

[SpursFanFirst]

The plot truly thickens....



http://www.nypost.com/seven/07232007/news/regionalnews/refs_hit_with_some_bad_calls_regionalnews_james_fa nelli_in__bradenton__fla___and_jana_winter_in_cape _may__n_j_.htm

I'm not the least bit shocked, but I can't wait to see how it all turns out!

[Jimcs50]

I knew it!!!

Billy Paultz did not travel in 79........I want that 79 championship trophy returned to its rightful owner

[coopdogg3]

Didn't see this posted. Shed some light on the situation for me. Take it for what it's worth.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=expertexplainsNBAbets


Editor's note: Brandon Lang, whose life story was immortalized by Matthew McConaughey in the 2005 film, "Two for the Money," considers himself the best big-game handicapper in the country. The man who gives wagering advice on his Web site, www.BrandonLang.com, is the self-proclaimed "most honest man in the business."

He never has lost a Super Bowl in his career, going 15-0-2. With NBA referee Tim Donaghy under investigation for allegedly betting on NBA games the past two seasons -- including games he officiated -- ESPN.com senior writer Wayne Drehs asked Lang to explain how sports gambling works in America and how Donaghy and his bookies might have been able to take advantage.]

ESPN.com: Brandon, explain what types of bets can be made on the NBA.

Brandon Lang: You can bet on who's going to win, by how many points. You can bet whether it's going to be a high-scoring or low-scoring game with the over/under. You can bet the first, second, third or fourth quarter. You can bet the first-half and second-half winner or loser. What you have to understand is that gambling is always designed to keep people watching.

If it's a televised game or the playoffs, you can bet the over/under on total points for a player, say whether or not LeBron James is going to score 30. You can bet over/under on rebounds for a guy like Tim Duncan. There are a lot of individual prop bets, but normally those are only in the playoffs or for major regular-season televised games.

ESPN.com: What are the various ways that a bettor can place his bets?

BL: If you're in the state of Nevada, you can do it 100 percent legal at any sports book. If not, you can do it [albeit illegally] with your corner-store bookie at just about any bar in any sports city in America. Or you can do it offshore with offshore sports books. That's pretty much it.

ESPN.com: How does placing a legal bet in Las Vegas differ from placing a bet offshore or with the bar bookie you refer to?

BL: Most of the time, when you bet with a bookie, you can bet on credit. When you bet offshore, you have to post up that money. I have to wire that offshore sports book $1,000 so I have $1,000 in my account to play with. As soon as I double my money, I can ask them to send $1,000 back or all $2,000, whatever. With your bookie, you typically settle up once a week. And that's when people get in trouble. It's credit -- usually somebody vouches for you, they'll give you a $5,000 line or something like that. Then you start getting behind, you start chasing and the next thing you know you just lost $7,000 and you don't have it. In Vegas and offshore, you have to post your money before you gamble with it.

ESPN.com: On a December night in the regular season, how much money would you guess is bet on the NBA -- legally and illegally -- in our country?

BL: In our country, so that's just Vegas and the bookmakers … you figure on any given night, you have an average of eight games. So in my calculations, on a random given night, I'd say about $50 million. That's legally and illegally. A random December night in the United States of America. But that number has been declining.

ESPN.com: Describe for me the average individual who bets on an NBA game?

BL: They're college students, middle-aged businessmen -- they're the people who crave action every single night. There was a time, in the winter, when the NBA and NHL were the only real betting options between football games each week. We never used to have a MAC game on Tuesday night followed by a Conference USA game on Wednesday, an SEC game on Thursday and an ACC contest on Friday. You needed the NBA to connect Monday Night Football to the following Saturday's games. And why bet two or three NBA games where guys don't always seem to show up every night when you have a college football game on Tuesday where you know the players are going to give maximum energy and effort?

ESPN.com: What role does a bookie play in placing bets?

BL: He's basically the sports book. He has his own line, his own money. He runs his own book. Different bookies will have different lines. To get into the various intricacies, most players want to have multiple bookies because lines can vary. If I have a guy in New York who has the Knicks as a 6.5 point favorite against the Nuggets and I have another guy in Florida who has the Knicks at 5.5, I'm going to take my bookie in New York and take Denver and then take New York with the bookie in Florida and lay the 5.5 points. If the final margin is six points, then I'll win both.

ESPN.com: So explain then, how a referee could control the outcome of a game so that he or associates of his could win a bet?

BL: Totally with the fouls he calls. If he has fixed the total and has a number he's thinking of, he can get the team in the bonus earlier in the quarter. Let's say he wants a final score where both teams tally more than 205 points and he needs 59 points in the fourth quarter to make that happen. If he puts both teams in the penalty with 8:00 to go and every foul is a free throw, it's not too hard to have a 60-point quarter.

ESPN.com: So what do you think, given your experience, might have happened with Tim Donaghy?

BL: You see a lot of calls in the NBA, "Hey -- he didn't even touch him." But he's [under suspicion] because they will go back and watch every game he officiated, know the spread, know the totals, they'll watch the fourth quarter and they'll know exactly what games he [allegedly] fixed. One hundred percent, no questions asked, they'll know exactly.

They just have to look at the fourth quarter. That's where you'd be able to tell. I'm telling you -- it would have to be the total, not the winners or losers. You can't dictate a side, especially in the NBA. He couldn't take that chance. If someone gets injured or doesn't show up or is having a terrible night or whatever, you can't do it. But manipulating the total you can control from the very tip. If you need an over, a referee can dictate a high- or low-scoring game just by how he's calling it. It's going to come out.

ESPN.com: Given your expertise in watching and wagering on games, what influence does a referee or official have in the gambling outcome?

BL: If he has action on the game and wants something in particular to happen, I'd say 75 percent. I've been asked for years if games could be fixed. And I always told people not by players. Because the guys in the key positions who could get something done, your quarterbacks and running backs, are making millions and aren't going to risk it all to help some friend make $100,000. An official, though, could do it. In the NFL, there's a task force that on Monday reviews every critical call that came anywhere near the point spread. I don't believe that's ever been done in the NBA.

ESPN.com: What sort of precedent is there for scandals like this in the betting world? And does this surprise you?

BL: The mob has had its hands in fixing and shaving games going back to the late '40s. They've always been under question for getting teams to shave points. The fact that they finally got to an official -- well, at least an official who got caught -- isn't surprising. Listen, this is just the first guy to get caught. I think, without question, there are more officials out there who have shaved points. I guarantee you there are. This is just the first guy to get caught.

And it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out because [if the allegations are true, it's my opinion that] he's going to cut a deal and rat on everybody. And it was a mob bookie that supposedly turned him in. That was the worst thing they ever could have done. They turned him in, now he's going to give them all the evidence, spill everything and then go in the witness protection program. I don't get it. He was their meal ticket. Whatever risk they had with him, turning him in was a bad move. Now he's going to be dropping dimes on them.

ESPN.com: What sort of an effect do you think this scandal will have on NBA wagering and sports wagering as a whole?

BL: I think it will have a solid impact on people betting the NBA. Because really, college and pro football -- that's what people live for. Wagering on the NBA has already been dropping because of the intensity of play. On some nights, these guys just don't seem to care. And you don't want your money on that. This will only have even a greater impact and keep people away from betting the NBA.

[El_Mago]

Chris Webber, anyone?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't end up wearing cement shoes when all of this comes to light.

[JPB]

Beno !

There's no other explanation.

[SenorSpur]

Maybe Joey Crawford will be named. After all, he was one of a group of unscrupulous refs that got caught profiting from the sale of NBA-issued first class airline tickets. It seems he got busted when the IRS came after him for the unreported revenue.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Stoudemire, maybe? Maybe he needed the money to bail his brother out of jail.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'd buy him a beer

[Streakyshooter08]

What do you think will happen to the players/coaches who were involved?

[Extra Stout]

What do you think will happen to the players/coaches who were involved?
Every single one of them should be banned for life.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Every single one of them should be banned for life.

Quoted for truth.

[Streakyshooter08]

Every single one of them should be banned for life.

I agree. I am really curios what will happen. We had the exact same case here in Germany with soccer. The ref is now in jail. The players suspended forever. Something like that just sucks. I hope no Spurs player is involved.

[td4mvp3]

vince carter? ricky davis?

[J.T.]

I'm going to LMAO all day if Nowitzki is named as an accomplice so I can troll every single Mav Fan I see here at The City of Dallas at San Marcos. Especially that annoying fucker who works at Wells Fargo.

[Dingle Barry]

Retired dentist John Minutella of West Chester, Pa., where Donaghy grew up and worked at a golf course, recounted a horrific prank Donaghy pulled on him 10 years ago, when the embattled ref put a dead bird in his golf bag. Minutella found the maggot-infested carcass 24 hours later.

"Nobody wanted to play golf with him," said Minutella, 64. " I can't say one nice thing about him. I believe this guy was almost soulless."

Hilarious. Take a joke ya old bitch.

[justanotherspursfan]

Every single one of them should be banned for life.
Amen. There is no place for that in professional sports, period.

Pete Rose got banned from baseball for gambling even though (as far as anyone knows) he never bet against the Reds, and there were no allegations that he ever shave points or fixed games. Actually putting the fix in is 10x worse than that.

I hope these guys go to prison -- and not the country club kind.

[T Park]

david stern has got to be close to sizing up the shower rod.

[barbacoataco]

Everyone should be banned.

[ploto]

I would not be shocked to read Jordan's name. :(

[Oh, Gee!!]

Everyone should be banned.


shut down the whole thing forever so dallas and phoenix never get to win a ring ever...lolz

[boutons_]

"not the country club kind."

any crime figure with a record will go to the usual prison.

refs and players with no records will go to low-security prisons for white-collar criminals. However, a player with a record of dope possession, DWI, no driver's license, no car insurance, gun usage/permit violations, etc should expect a tougher prison.

According to dubya and his DoJ, federal sentencing guidelines are extremely strict and aggressive (except when a Repug lies repeatedly to a federal grand jury).

[Kobe'smyhomie]

Amen. There is no place for that in professional sports, period.

Pete Rose got banned from baseball for gambling even though (as far as anyone knows) he never bet against the Reds, and there were no allegations that he ever shave points or fixed games. Actually putting the fix in is 10x worse than that.

I hope these guys go to prison -- and not the country club kind.


Without a doubt. I really hope he spills the beans

[boutons_]

He may be receiving calls from crime types threatening him and his family if he spills his guts.

[duncan228]

Sports Illustrated chimes in.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/07/23/betting.probe.ap/index.html
Authorities concerned for ref's safety

BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who's being investigated by the FBI for betting on games he worked, had local lawmen at his Florida home because of two threatening phone calls he received, authorities said Monday.

Three squad cars from the Manatee County Sheriff's Office arrived at Donaghy's home after he received the calls threatening his life Sunday, a sheriff's office report said. They seemed to come from the same unidentified caller.

"There is reason for us to keep an eye on his place and follow up," sheriff's spokesman Randy Warren said.

Authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered thousands of dollars over the past two seasons. Authorities say the referee had a gambling problem and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.

The New York Daily News reported Sunday, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.

On Monday, the newspaper reported that former neighbors of Donaghy's in Pennsylvania say they were approached more than a year ago by a private investigator they believed was hired by the NBA to check into Donaghy's gambling habits.

Kit Antsey, a real estate agent in West Chester, Pa., who helped Donaghy buy a home, told The Daily News a private investigator contacted him 18 months ago and asked him whether Donaghy bet on sports and at an Atlantic City casino.

However, The New York Times reported Monday, citing two unidentified people briefed on the investigation, that the NBA didn't know about Donaghy's betting or whether he affected the outcome of games until after the season.

The Times and The Daily News also reported NBA commissioner David Stern plans to speak publicly about Donaghy this week, maybe as soon as Monday.

Donaghy did not have a listed phone number at his Florida home.

[T Park]

this could be the destruction of the NBA as we know it.

[Extra Stout]

He may be receiving calls from crime types threatening him and his family if he spills his guts.
That's exactly what it is.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I would not be shocked to read Jordan's name. :(

I hate to say it, but if Jordan is implicated in this, I think the league dies.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Sports Illustrated chimes in.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/07/23/betting.probe.ap/index.html
Authorities concerned for ref's safety

BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who's being investigated by the FBI for betting on games he worked, had local lawmen at his Florida home because of two threatening phone calls he received, authorities said Monday.

Three squad cars from the Manatee County Sheriff's Office arrived at Donaghy's home after he received the calls threatening his life Sunday, a sheriff's office report said. They seemed to come from the same unidentified caller.

"There is reason for us to keep an eye on his place and follow up," sheriff's spokesman Randy Warren said.

Authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered thousands of dollars over the past two seasons. Authorities say the referee had a gambling problem and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.

The New York Daily News reported Sunday, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.

On Monday, the newspaper reported that former neighbors of Donaghy's in Pennsylvania say they were approached more than a year ago by a private investigator they believed was hired by the NBA to check into Donaghy's gambling habits.

Kit Antsey, a real estate agent in West Chester, Pa., who helped Donaghy buy a home, told The Daily News a private investigator contacted him 18 months ago and asked him whether Donaghy bet on sports and at an Atlantic City casino.

However, The New York Times reported Monday, citing two unidentified people briefed on the investigation, that the NBA didn't know about Donaghy's betting or whether he affected the outcome of games until after the season.

The Times and The Daily News also reported NBA commissioner David Stern plans to speak publicly about Donaghy this week, maybe as soon as Monday.

Donaghy did not have a listed phone number at his Florida home.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but that was the AP who chimed in.

[spurster]

Angry Suns fans just made it to Florida.

[justanotherspursfan]

I hate to say it, but if Jordan is implicated in this, I think the league dies.
Baseball survived the Black Sox.

[inconvertible]

the NBA big market agenda is about to be let out the bag. :stirpot:

[duncan228]

I'm not trying to be a dick, but that was the AP who chimed in.

You're right but it was SI's site I got it from. I figured if that was the link that was what I should say.

If no offense meant, none taken!

[E20]

What about that call when Horry bumped Nash near the scoreres table and he went flopping/flying to the ground? That was pretty questionable because Nash flopped pretty badly and it ejected Horry and cost us the game. We would have been done with that series in 5, if it weren't for that call.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Baseball survived the Black Sox.

Okay, well, I meant dies as in it becomes akin to the WWE as far as perception and relevance.

The difference between this and the Black Sox scandal is the far reach and quick availability of information, a broader and more vocal public and an already waning credibility in the country's heart for the NBA.

People were in an uproar over Artest and the Palace, Nuggets-Knicks, etc., but unlike the NFL and Pacman, Henry, Johnson, et al., the NBA doesn't seem to be attacking the broader issues fans have with the league's perception.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You're right but it was SI's site I got it from. I figured if that was the link that was what I should say.

If no offense meant, none taken!

No, no offense was meant.

I'm actually awaiting some more input from SI (but admittedly, I'm a little bummed a basketball writer like Kelly Dwyer is no longer with their dot-com). McCallum's one of the only basketball writers there I still like.

[nkdlunch]

The series Spurs vs. Mavs was a rigged one. I am sure he will name the refs of that series. But that is all in the past. I am not like Sun fans crying about it still.

[Shred]

I don't believe players are involved...they make too damn much money to care about point shaving.

We are talking about multiple millionaires here. Nba players that are decent make around 7 million minimum and superstars make over 15. And it can't be scrubs either because they don't get enough playing time to affect the outcome of the game. And if they did get in the game and played like shit during a meaningful time he would be pulled immediately!

Jordan would never shave points....he was too damn competitive and too rich. Yes he likes to gamble but not on basketball.

I mean Jordan would try to kill his own teammates if they screwed up!

I thought the same thing--most of the players who could actually affect the outcome of the game make too much money to be bought off. However, if you're talking a scrub who's just trying to affect the O/U, it might be a different story.

[nkdlunch]

I don't believe players are involved...they make too damn much money to care about point shaving.

We are talking about multiple millionaires here. Nba players that are decent make around 7 million minimum and superstars make over 15. And it can't be scrubs either because they don't get enough playing time to affect the outcome of the game. And if they did get in the game and played like shit during a meaningful time he would be pulled immediately!

Jordan would never shave points....he was too damn competitive and too rich. Yes he likes to gamble but not on basketball.

I mean Jordan would try to kill his own teammates if they screwed up!

let me break 2 things to you.

1)ask a millionare if he's making too much money, he will tell you no. they would not mind extra $
2)a person addicted to gambling would gamble on anything. ppl have said Jordan was addicted to gambling.

[nkdlunch]

haha sun fan getting owned

[Obstructed_View]

The only bad call was the offensive foul on Bowen, which was total bullshit. It just reaffirms that the Suns spend more time complaining and looking for someone to blame for losing than trying to win.

The only thing better than beating a loser is getting to continually remind them that they are losers.

The fact that Jon Barry thinks it's a foul doesn't make it a foul. :lmao

[bdictjames]

Fisher didnt really make the .4 shot in time.

[O-Factor]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/MeriBeth4ac/gaycowboysfromthephoenixsuns.jpg

LOL

[Leetonidas]

Bishop has pwned every facet of this thread.

[angel_luv]

What a tangled web we weave...

I pity the guy. He's created a real mess for himself. Others too, unfortunately.

[ducks]

I do not pity the guy
he knew the rules and did not follow them
in today's society bomb threats are not suprised
people take their sports to the extreme
hell all teams have forums on the net now

[ducks]

yeah because big market suns have won several titles

[smrattler]

LoL!!! BacktoBasics owning this thread...

[smrattler]

He's going to out Stern?

Does the NBA have a Don't Ask, Don't Tell rule he can hide behind?

[Shank]

Ah, so THIS is how you pad your post count.

[spursfan09]

:lol a suns fans making a video about calls that didn't go thier way. I can make a video about calls not going the spurs way and it will look just as bad.

[BacktoBasics]

Ah, so THIS is how you pad your post count.Worst excuse yet.

[Shred]

LOL

Marty Robbins, Glenn Campbell, and Waylon Jennings might disagree with you.

Texas will always have Jim J. Bullock, though.

[spursfan09]

If this thing gets out a hand, what are the chances of the basketball season being cancelled?

[BacktoBasics]

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[BacktoBasics]

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[BacktoBasics]

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/smokdogg_photos/suns-stevegash.jpg

[BacktoBasics]

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r228/miami_heats/THELAKERS.jpg

[BacktoBasics]

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m160/bobbyt207/atw13.jpg

[Shred]

Bubba the Gay Texas Cowboy (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1181544)

TGRA (http://www.tgra.org)

[BacktoBasics]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/texanguitargod/kleenexsuns.jpg

[YODA]

:lol a suns fans making a video about calls that didn't go thier way. I can make a video about calls not going the spurs way and it will look just as bad.




Woud live to see this....

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

You know up until a few weeks ago I would have said, "Why would a man with a $100 million dollar contract set up a dog fighting operation?" but here we are. I also wouldn't have thought that any NBA ref would screw with the course of the game for reasons other than because having a big ego, generating drama, or just being incompetent.

So I'm going to wait until all the cards are on the table before I say that I don't believe any player is involved. It would certainly seem a long shot but lots of these guys have proven themselves capable of doing some pretty stupid shit off the court.

[BacktoBasics]

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[florige]

Depending on the names mentioned this will truly cripple the league. I figured there were more refs involved, but players.... man this is not good.

[BacktoBasics]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w232/mkot0791/Gif%20Images%20Suns/mariondance1.gif

[MoSpur]

.4 will never be okay with me. That was impossible to do in .4

[ThomasGranger]

JVG's claim about how he was tipped off by a ref a couple of years ago is starting to look a lot more credible right now.

[BacktoBasics]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/rkogurl44/Sports/Steve%20And%20The%20Suns/nash_workinghard_800.jpg

[Darkwaters]

It would be really funny is Amare was one of those names!

It wouldn't surprise me. Hes not exactly known for walking the straight and narrow path.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

JVG's claim about how he was tipped off by a ref a couple of years ago is starting to look a lot more credible right now.

Good point. I had forgotten about that incident.

[CubanMustGo]

I do not pity the die
he knew the rules and did not follow them
in today's society bomb threats are not suprised
people take their sports to the extreme
hell all teams have forums on the net now

The real ducks is back! :elephant

[spursfan09]

Good point. I had forgotten about that incident.

Can somebody refresh my memory?

[ThomasGranger]

Can somebody refresh my memory?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/news/story?id=2051807

[td4mvp21]

:lmao

[Hemotivo]

:lmao
:spin :lol

[Spurminator]

It's probably not realistic for me to hope that people will reserve judgment on other "named" parties until there is sufficient proof/investigation into their involvement.

[ducks]

thanks

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

This guy has got to have a bounty on his head right now, he can ruin alot of peoples lifes by spilling the beans

[degenerate_gambler]

Expert and Brandon Lang should never be used in the same sentence.

However, in this case I agree with him.

This scandal is about the O/U of a game and not the pointspread. Sorry Sun fan.

[Brutalis]

funny but sad, yet true and glad!

[nkdlunch]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n21/OriginalSin78/toiletpaperun5ea0xy3.jpg

I need a rush order of 2 boxes of those.

[ShoogarBear]

I knew it!!!

Billy Paultz did not travel in 79........I want that 79 championship trophy returned to its rightful ownerWasn't a travel call, dumbbell, it was an offensive foul.

[Avitus1]

http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/captpnu11304270535lakers_suns_basketball.jpg

[Spurminator]

Well the good thing about all this is I accidentally deleted Game 3 of the WCSF from my DVR, but now maybe it'll be more readily available on torrent.

[VinnyTestesVerde]

It's probably not realistic for me to hope that people will reserve judgment on other "named" parties until there is sufficient proof/investigation into their involvement.


let's not bring due process and logic into this :lol :dizzy

[nkdlunch]

this record is broken:
http://www.citadel-records.com/mailorder/images/margart/csun.gif

[Buddy Holly]

I'd l;ove to see the blown calls made on the Spurs side given as a VIdeo Response.

What a one sided bitter pill.

[timvp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U

All that video proves is that Eddie F. Rush is a bad ref. But we all know that.

A Sun Fan edited Game 3 and came up with one questionable Donaghy foul? That's pretty lame. Even that foul wasn't that bad. Manu has whined his way to countless after-the-play fouls like that.

[florige]

This guy has got to have a bounty on his head right now, he can ruin alot of peoples lifes by spilling the beans



If I'm Donaghey and I'm getting ready to start ratting people out, I'm telling the Feds the only way I talk is you have to get me out of the country into a witness protection program or something along those lines.

[Darkwaters]

Back to basics is having trouble coming to terms with this.

Your team didn't win. Its tainted....twice.

If you seriously think that game 3 was tainted then you need to rewatch game 4. Phoenix got every call that night and an "unlikely comeback" wouldn't have happened were it not for the gracious refs.

Get over yourself.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What do you think will happen to the players/coaches who were involved?

Anyone named will be banned from the sport for life (if they can prove the allegations true).

[monosylab1k]

The series Spurs vs. Mavs was a rigged one. I am sure he will name the refs of that series. But that is all in the past. I am not like Sun fans crying about it still.
Then why did you bring it up?

[ploto]

I have been saying this for a couple of days- that it is easiest to impact the over and under. You have a good defender and put him in foul trouble- total goes up. You take an important scorer and put him on the bench- total goes down. Call a lot of fouls and shoot a lot of free throws- total goes up.

It does still taint the overall outcome of the game because certain players can be targeted to accomplish this.

[Winery]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/texanguitargod/kleenexsuns.jpg
This is the most awesome thing I've ever seen :lol :lol :lol

[judaspriestess]

link to follow that includes irrefutable footage.


What other things has Donaghy done? :rolleyes


Kori, lock or delete if need be. :toast

[tmtcsc]

Out Stern on what ? While I have thought that he was often too quick to dismiss questionable officiating, I could never imagine him directing refs to favor anyone during a game.

He sticks up for his officiating crews, that's it. This year, he actually did something about it with Crawford and I don't think it was an easy decision.

This situation with Donaghy is unfortunate and bad for the league but I would be surprised if it wasn't an isolated case. Also, the ref can effect a game's point spread but I think it would be very difficult to effect the Win-Loss outcome.

I hope this blows over. To say our title is tainted is ridiculous. Fuck those cry baby Suns. They will forever be tainted in my book as a bunch of wannabes.

[justanotherspursfan]

Then why did you bring it up?
:tu

The only thing more annoying than Suns fans who want to whine about this year is Spurs fans who want to whine about last year but still want to claim the Suns fans should STFU about this year.

Y'all beat us fair and square in '06. I look forward to a return engagement.

[ShoogarBear]

The plot thickens.Reputations that would actually be enhanced by finding out they were really just on the take:

Dirk Nowitzki
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Kenyon Martin
Mehmet Okur
Damon Jones
Brad Miller
Leandro Barbosa
Shawn Marion

[Kori Ellis]

Consolidation.

[Reggie Miller]

Other Little-Known Donaghy Facts:

1. Was seen chain-smoking on the Hindenberg.
2. Brokered the Versailles Treaty, setting the stage for WWII.
3. Performed the final type-setting and proof-reading of Mein Kampf.
4. Provided Pol Pot with 30 metric tons of sharpened bamboo stakes.
5. Routinely clubs baby harp seals, without even harvesting the furs.
6. Published the John Wayne Gacey Make-up Book.

No doubt newer controversies will come to light...

[Despot]

Other Little-Known Donaghy Facts:

1. Was seen chain-smoking on the Hindenberg.
2. Brokered the Versailles Treaty, setting the stage for WWII.
3. Performed the final type-setting and proof-reading of Mein Kampf.
4. Provided Pol Pot with 30 metric tons of sharpened bamboo stakes.
5. Routinely clubs baby harp seals, without even harvesting the furs.
6. Published the John Wayne Gacey Make-up Book.

No doubt newer controversies will come to light...

This could get good

[L.I.T]

7. Taught Nero how to fiddle.

[UV Ray]

Police called to ref's home.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0723ref-ON.html

[zrinkill]

I see UV Ray is still trying to post ..... and no one can see it :lol

[xmas1997]

Expert explains the many ways a crooked referee could fix bets
By Wayne Drehs
ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=expertexplainsNBAbets

Updated: July 23, 2007, 7:25 PM ET
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[Editor's note: Brandon Lang, whose life story was immortalized by Matthew McConaughey in the 2005 film, "Two for the Money," considers himself the best big-game handicapper in the country. The man who gives wagering advice on his Web site, www.BrandonLang.com, is the self-proclaimed "most honest man in the business."

He never has lost a Super Bowl in his career, going 15-0-2. With NBA referee Tim Donaghy under investigation for allegedly betting on NBA games the past two seasons -- including games he officiated -- ESPN.com senior writer Wayne Drehs asked Lang to explain how sports gambling works in America and how Donaghy and his bookies might have been able to take advantage.]


ESPN.com: Brandon, explain what types of bets can be made on the NBA.

Brandon Lang: You can bet on who's going to win, by how many points. You can bet whether it's going to be a high-scoring or low-scoring game with the over/under. You can bet the first, second, third or fourth quarter. You can bet the first-half and second-half winner or loser. What you have to understand is that gambling is always designed to keep people watching.

If it's a televised game or the playoffs, you can bet the over/under on total points for a player, say whether or not LeBron James is going to score 30. You can bet over/under on rebounds for a guy like Tim Duncan. There are a lot of individual prop bets, but normally those are only in the playoffs or for major regular-season televised games.

ESPN.com: What are the various ways that a bettor can place his bets?

BL: If you're in the state of Nevada, you can do it 100 percent legal at any sports book. If not, you can do it [albeit illegally] with your corner-store bookie at just about any bar in any sports city in America. Or you can do it offshore with offshore sports books. That's pretty much it.

ESPN.com: How does placing a legal bet in Las Vegas differ from placing a bet offshore or with the bar bookie you refer to?

BL: Most of the time, when you bet with a bookie, you can bet on credit. When you bet offshore, you have to post up that money. I have to wire that offshore sports book $1,000 so I have $1,000 in my account to play with. As soon as I double my money, I can ask them to send $1,000 back or all $2,000, whatever. With your bookie, you typically settle up once a week. And that's when people get in trouble. It's credit -- usually somebody vouches for you, they'll give you a $5,000 line or something like that. Then you start getting behind, you start chasing and the next thing you know you just lost $7,000 and you don't have it. In Vegas and offshore, you have to post your money before you gamble with it.

ESPN.com: On a December night in the regular season, how much money would you guess is bet on the NBA -- legally and illegally -- in our country?

BL: In our country, so that's just Vegas and the bookmakers … you figure on any given night, you have an average of eight games. So in my calculations, on a random given night, I'd say about $50 million. That's legally and illegally. A random December night in the United States of America. But that number has been declining.

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Brandon Lang, left, with the man who played him on the big screen, Matthew McConaughey.
ESPN.com: Describe for me the average individual who bets on an NBA game?

BL: They're college students, middle-aged businessmen -- they're the people who crave action every single night. There was a time, in the winter, when the NBA and NHL were the only real betting options between football games each week. We never used to have a MAC game on Tuesday night followed by a Conference USA game on Wednesday, an SEC game on Thursday and an ACC contest on Friday. You needed the NBA to connect Monday Night Football to the following Saturday's games. And why bet two or three NBA games where guys don't always seem to show up every night when you have a college football game on Tuesday where you know the players are going to give maximum energy and effort?

ESPN.com: What role does a bookie play in placing bets?

BL: He's basically the sports book. He has his own line, his own money. He runs his own book. Different bookies will have different lines. To get into the various intricacies, most players want to have multiple bookies because lines can vary. If I have a guy in New York who has the Knicks as a 6.5 point favorite against the Nuggets and I have another guy in Florida who has the Knicks at 5.5, I'm going to take my bookie in New York and take Denver and then take New York with the bookie in Florida and lay the 5.5 points. If the final margin is six points, then I'll win both.

ESPN.com: So explain then, how a referee could control the outcome of a game so that he or associates of his could win a bet?

BL: Totally with the fouls he calls. If he has fixed the total and has a number he's thinking of, he can get the team in the bonus earlier in the quarter. Let's say he wants a final score where both teams tally more than 205 points and he needs 59 points in the fourth quarter to make that happen. If he puts both teams in the penalty with 8:00 to go and every foul is a free throw, it's not too hard to have a 60-point quarter.

ESPN.com: So what do you think, given your experience, might have happened with Tim Donaghy?

BL: You see a lot of calls in the NBA, "Hey -- he didn't even touch him." But he's because they will go back and watch every game he officiated, know the spread, know the totals, they'll watch the fourth quarter and they'll know exactly what games he [allegedly] fixed. One hundred percent, no questions asked, they'll know exactly.

They just have to look at the fourth quarter. That's where you'd be able to tell. I'm telling you -- it would have to be the total, not the winners or losers. You can't dictate a side, especially in the NBA. He couldn't take that chance. If someone gets injured or doesn't show up or is having a terrible night or whatever, you can't do it. But manipulating the total you can control from the very tip. If you need an over, a referee can dictate a high- or low-scoring game just by how he's calling it. It's going to come out.

ESPN.com: Given your expertise in watching and wagering on games, what influence does a referee or official have in the gambling outcome?

BL: If he has action on the game and wants something in particular to happen, I'd say 75 percent. I've been asked for years if games could be fixed. And I always told people not by players. Because the guys in the key positions who could get something done, your quarterbacks and running backs, are making millions and aren't going to risk it all to help some friend make $100,000. An official, though, could do it. In the NFL, there's a task force that on Monday reviews every critical call that came anywhere near the point spread. I don't believe that's ever been done in the NBA.

ESPN.com: What sort of precedent is there for scandals like this in the betting world? And does this surprise you?

BL: The mob has had its hands in fixing and shaving games going back to the late '40s. They've always been under question for getting teams to shave points. [U]The fact that they finally got to an official -- well, at least an official who got caught -- isn't surprising. Listen, this is just the first guy to get caught. I think, without question, there are more officials out there who have shaved points. I guarantee you there are. This is just the first guy to get caught.
And it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out because [if the allegations are true, it's my opinion that] he's going to cut a deal and rat on everybody. And it was a mob bookie that supposedly turned him in. That was the worst thing they ever could have done. They turned him in, now he's going to give them all the evidence, spill everything and then go in the witness protection program. I don't get it. He was their meal ticket. Whatever risk they had with him, turning him in was a bad move. Now he's going to be dropping dimes on them.

ESPN.com: What sort of an effect do you think this scandal will have on NBA wagering and sports wagering as a whole?

BL: I think it will have a solid impact on people betting the NBA. Because really, college and pro football -- that's what people live for. Wagering on the NBA has already been dropping because of the intensity of play. On some nights, these guys just don't seem to care. And you don't want your money on that. This will only have even a greater impact and keep people away from betting the NBA.

Wayne Drehs is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at [email protected]

[Winehole23]

Great article in ESPN today:

Games were fixed. Hundreds of millions were made.

The NBA likely leaked to the New York Post to hamstring the FBI investigation.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games

[MultiTroll]

^^^ finally many sheep's eyes will be opened.

Of course this shit is still going on.
Warriors :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

I hope the kikes at the top and the entire NBA goes down, it's a POS

[dbestpro]

I hope the kikes at the top and the entire NBA goes down, it's a POS

Would be nice if the NBA got back to playing the game of basketball.

[phxspurfan]

Crazy how he bet on games for 4 years that he reffed. Immeasurable negative effect on games for 4 fucking years. 2003-2007

[ZeusWillJudge]

The NBA has people who review games on tape, and look for referee anomalies. For a LONG time, most of those people weren't ex-referees, or even ex-players. A lot of them weren't even from the world of basketball. I specifically remember that some of them were ex-football players. Some were friends of NBA employees. People who made no sense at all to be reviewing the refs. But the NBA would make those statements that it was "impossible to fix games", because they supposedly had this crew of people reviewing all the calls. During the worst of it, I saw guys get fouls called against them when there was clear daylight between the players. And I remember times when the guy who got the benefit of the call looked like even he couldn't believe the ref blew a whistle.

The biggest thing that came out in that article is what I said for years. To fix a game, the ref usually doesn't have to keep calling foul after foul. He makes an illegal defense call right away, and then blows a couple of quick whistles on one player (like Duncan), and that forces the defense to start playing soft or risk getting into foul trouble. Those few calls can influence an entire half, and the overall foul count won't show it. In fact, the ref can pretty much swallow his whistle. One team can play extra physical, while the other team has to play soft or risk getting into foul trouble - and the referee supervisor can look at the tape and say that very few fouls were called overall, so nothing happened.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Great article in ESPN today:

Games were fixed. Hundreds of millions were made.

The NBA likely leaked to the New York Post to hamstring the FBI investigation.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games

I'm not so sure that is a great article, but more a carefully crafted piece by ESPN, a NBA supporter and ally, to make it appear Doneghy was the ONLY ref who was fixing games.
We saw for years how the same cabal of 6-7 refs would mysteriously be assigned to key playoff games and seemingly always be controversial officiating that affected the outcome of games. And many of the refs in that select group were the same refs that pleaded guilted to a tax evasion scheme, sentenced to prison, fired by Stern, only to be REHIRED by Stern after they were paroled. Why would Stern rehire convicted felons guilty of cheating the government out of tax money? Perhaps they knew where the bodies were buried, or just knew with a simple nod how to keep influencing games. Anybody here that can recall the 1979 Spurs-Bullets playoff series will remember the questionable officiating. And I dont think it was Doneghy that called that Sun Sonic playoff game where the Suns got a huge amount of FTs so Barkley could play Jordan in the Finals, nor was it Doneghy who called the Kings Lakers game where Kobe broke Bibby's nose. And was it Doneghy who called that Mav Heat series where the officiating was so bad Cuban was going to sell the Mavs afterwards?

I think this piece was designed to isolate Donaghy and exonerate the NBA and Stern. In my opinion the entire scandal is at the feet of Stern. Notice when smart phones hit the streets and everybody became a photographerand fil maker, along with expanded media outlets as well as social media, the NBA could no longer deny and hide the bad calls of the officials? It was about this time Stern moved out and Silver had no choice but to clean up the mess.

[Dex]

Crazy how he bet on games for 4 years that he reffed. Immeasurable negative effect on games for 4 fucking years. 2003-2007

I mean...I'm okay with how things turned out tbh.

[Dex]

I'm not so sure that is a great article, but more a carefully crafted piece by ESPN, a NBA supporter and ally, to make it appear Doneghy was the ONLY ref who was fixing games.
We saw for years how the same cabal of 6-7 refs would mysteriously be assigned to key playoff games and seemingly always be controversial officiating that affected the outcome of games. And many of the refs in that select group were the same refs that pleaded guilted to a tax evasion scheme, sentenced to prison, fired by Stern, only to be REHIRED by Stern after they were paroled. Why would Stern rehire convicted felons guilty of cheating the government out of tax money? Perhaps they knew where the bodies were buried, or just knew with a simple nod how to keep influencing games. Anybody here that can recall the 1979 Spurs-Bullets playoff series will remember the questionable officiating. And I dont think it was Doneghy that called that Sun Sonic playoff game where the Suns got a huge amount of FTs so Barkley could play Jordan in the Finals, nor was it Doneghy who called the Kings Lakers game where Kobe broke Bibby's nose. And was it Doneghy who called that Mav Heat series where the officiating was so bad Cuban was going to sell the Mavs afterwards?

I think this piece was designed to isolate Donaghy and exonerate the NBA and Stern. In my opinion the entire scandal is at the feet of Stern. Notice when smart phones hit the streets and everybody became a photographerand fil maker, along with expanded media outlets as well as social media, the NBA could no longer deny and hide the bad calls of the officials? It was about this time Stern moved out and Silver had no choice but to clean up the mess.

I mean...the article goes out of its way to insinuate that the NBA leaked information to the NY Post to protect its other officials who were in danger of being investigated. That in itself insinuates there was at least a belief that other officials were involved, and the NBA knew that their brand would be irreversibly tarnished if even more names started coming out of the wood works.

That doesn't really sound like it's protecting Stern or the NBA...it outright blames them for interfering.

[Keepin' it real]

I'm not so sure that is a great article, but more a carefully crafted piece by ESPN, a NBA supporter and ally, to make it appear Doneghy was the ONLY ref who was fixing games.
We saw for years how the same cabal of 6-7 refs would mysteriously be assigned to key playoff games and seemingly always be controversial officiating that affected the outcome of games. And many of the refs in that select group were the same refs that pleaded guilted to a tax evasion scheme, sentenced to prison, fired by Stern, only to be REHIRED by Stern after they were paroled. Why would Stern rehire convicted felons guilty of cheating the government out of tax money? Perhaps they knew where the bodies were buried, or just knew with a simple nod how to keep influencing games. Anybody here that can recall the 1979 Spurs-Bullets playoff series will remember the questionable officiating. And I dont think it was Doneghy that called that Sun Sonic playoff game where the Suns got a huge amount of FTs so Barkley could play Jordan in the Finals, nor was it Doneghy who called the Kings Lakers game where Kobe broke Bibby's nose. And was it Doneghy who called that Mav Heat series where the officiating was so bad Cuban was going to sell the Mavs afterwards?

I think this piece was designed to isolate Donaghy and exonerate the NBA and Stern. In my opinion the entire scandal is at the feet of Stern. Notice when smart phones hit the streets and everybody became a photographerand fil maker, along with expanded media outlets as well as social media, the NBA could no longer deny and hide the bad calls of the officials? It was about this time Stern moved out and Silver had no choice but to clean up the mess.

Or to put it more succinctly:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DlYWXD_5S5g/hqdefault.jpg

[Play Boban]

Crazy how he bet on games for 4 years that he reffed. Immeasurable negative effect on games for 4 fucking years. 2003-2007
3 Spurs titles delegitimized. :cry

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVnLg9LxBu0