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SA210
07-25-2007, 01:33 PM
John Edwards Is Mad As Hell And Ready To Lead
Is Candidate Steamed! Elizabeth Backs Him Up: ‘He Will Not Drag Feet’

by Jason Horowitz Published: July 24, 2007
Tags: Politics, The City, John Edwards
This article was published in the July 29, 2007, edition of The New York Observer.


CHARLESTON, S.C.—John Edwards may not be leading in the polls. But, he would like to stress, he is leading on the issues.

“I don’t need to read a poll, I don’t need to see a focus group and I don’t need to see what the other candidates are saying,” said Mr. Edwards, sitting next to his wife in a blue van pulling away from Kitty’s Fine Foods in Charleston. “I know exactly what I would do as president and that’s why I have been leading on these issues. And it is exactly the kind of leadership I will provide as president.”

Mr. Edwards and his campaign are rallying around the idea that he has demonstrated leadership by getting out front early on major issues, advocating “big change” and then almost daring his rivals to follow his example.

He rejects the notion that there’s anything political about it.

“You describe it as if it is some kind of strategic maneuver,” said Mr. Edwards, turning around in his seat to face his questioner. “I’m not waiting for anybody else’s position. I know what my own views are and I’m going to lead on it.”

But he certainly wants to make sure everyone knows it.

During a CNN/YouTube debate of Democratic presidential candidates on the night of July 23, Mr. Edwards said, almost apropos of nothing, “I would challenge every Democrat on this stage today to commit to raising the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by the year 2012.”

The line drew applause.

On Tuesday afternoon, after a campaign stop about global warming in McClellanville, he again raised the issue of raising the minimum wage. He told reporters that the “inside Washington” types on the debate stage had failed to respond to his call for an increase.

“So I’m challenging Senator Clinton and Senator Obama and all the other Democrats” to match him, he said.

He has raced to the fore on other issues as well. His call for Congress to strip the funding for the war in Iraq, which he apologized for voting to authorize in 2002, preceded decisions by Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton to abandon their more measured positions on setting a timeline for withdrawal.

Mr. Edwards was the first major candidate this election cycle to deliver a health care plan, which required all Americans to be covered, and to lead a boycott—that the other major candidates eventually joined—against participating in a televised debate on Fox.

He stringently opposed a loophole allowing super-rich hedge fund investors to pay extremely low taxes despite collecting a salary from the New York hedge fund firm Fortress. Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, both major beneficiaries of hedge fund money, soon followed suit.

Whenever Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton have offered proposals similar to his, Mr. Edwards seems to have reacted by further sharpening his pitch—and by reminding his audiences of who had been their first.

On the afternoon of July 24, for example, he told a meeting of steel workers in a union hall in Georgetown, S.C., that he had no interest in negotiating with pharmaceutical companies to improve health care.

The time to negotiate with them is after we beat them,” he said, contrasting himself with candidates favoring a more moderate approach. He then proceeded to list all the other issues he says he came out first on.

“You’re showing leadership, that’s the issue,” said Mr. Edwards’ deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince after the debate on Monday. “Does anybody really think that these guys would have been in favor of defunding the war if we didn’t?”

Joe Trippi, Edwards’ top strategic advisor—and the former campaign manager to a certain trend-setting, if ultimately unsuccessful, candidate named Howard Dean—added, “I don’t think there is any doubt that John Edwards has been setting the agenda.”

But whatever moral victories Mr. Edwards has won so far over his main Democratic rivals have yet to translate into concrete political gain. Despite adoration from liberal bloggers, he trails in public polls of Democrats nearly everywhere except Iowa, where he has spent far more time than his opponents, and his fund-raising totals have been dwarfed by Mrs. Clinton’s and Mr. Obama’s.

And where the Edwards campaign presents his outspokenness as an act of bravery, his rivals see a candidate fading in the polls and desperately seeking attention by telling voters what they want to hear before they forget about him.

“I really wouldn’t interpret it that if somebody in a campaign gave a speech, it decides the issues,” said Mark Penn, Mrs. Clinton’s chief pollster and political strategist. Mrs. Clinton, he said, “has been an actual leader for many years. If she’s president she’s going to drive the agenda in many ways.”

Former Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa, a major Clinton supporter, said he “vehemently” disagreed with the notion that Mrs. Clinton was at all following Mr. Edwards on any issues, especially the war in Iraq.

“In the area of Iraq, her plan is far more comprehensive,” said Mr. Vilsack. “I don’t know that he has come out with a comprehensive discussion of Iraq other than he wants to get the troops out.”

Mr. Obama’s campaign, too, took sharp issue with the notion that their candidate had taken any positions in reaction to Mr. Edwards.

“Obama spoke out against the war in 2003, and he has been a consistent opponent since then, so there has been no reason to apologize for his vote,” said Jen Psaki, a spokesperson for Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, said that Mr. Edwards did not have the same responsibilities and commitments as an elected official.

“Certainly Senator Edwards, as someone who left elective office to run for president, has more flexibility,” he said, before adding that there was “nothing path-breaking about the proposals he is making.”

The only thing Mr. Edwards had achieved by being first with a health plan, an Iraq plan or a concrete proposal on the minimum wage, both campaigns said, was to be first. They would have gotten around to making their own proposals regardless of what Mr. Edwards did. :lol

In the van, Mr. Edwards reacted angrily to that notion.

“Get to them when?” asked Mr. Edwards, when confronted with that logic. “When you start a campaign for the presidency of the United States you better have a very clear idea about what you want to do as president from day one.” ouch

At this point, Mr. Edwards’ wife Elizabeth—who is one of the campaign’s best draws and who acts as her husband’s closest adviser—jumped in. “This tells you something about how he will be as president. He is not going to wait and drag his feet on these issues,” she said. “And I think it tells you a great deal about his style of leadership.”

She said that none of her husband’s positions were the result of political calculation, and that if anything, Mr. Edwards was the one candidate among the front-runners whose political positions reflected his life’s work.

“This is not something we came to recently. And what’s more—it is the story, unlike, I think, every candidate except Dennis Kucinich—this is actually the story of his life,” she said. “This is not a coat you put on for the campaign. This is something inside him.”

“This is who I am,” Mr. Edwards added. “I would do this if I weren’t running for president.”
http://www.observer.com/2007/john-edwards-mad-hell-and-ready-lead

SA210
07-25-2007, 01:58 PM
http://johnedwards.com/media/video/cnn-youtube-health-care/

boutons_
07-25-2007, 02:01 PM
Edwards' health plan is only a tiny step in the approximate direction of government-run national/universal health insurance and health care.

xrayzebra
07-25-2007, 02:17 PM
SA210 you haven't left for darfur yet? Oh, I forgot you haven't
solved the homeless problem with OUR money here yet.

That must be the reason you love the beautiful one John Edwards.
Bye which of the ladies are running for President, her or her wife.

SA210
07-25-2007, 02:40 PM
SA210 you haven't left for darfur yet? Oh, I forgot you haven't
solved the homeless problem with OUR money here yet.

That must be the reason you love the beautiful one John Edwards.
Bye which of the ladies are running for President, her or her wife.
Are you gtown's grandpa or something?

Tell me John Edwards is wrong about wanting to end poverty because that's your disagreement, but you don't have to call him a lady. I get it, you don't give a damn about poor people or minorities. You don't have to change the subject by talking about hair or calling him a woman. He intimidates you because he cares about those things that which you don't, equality.

:)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qG6m9SnWI

xrayzebra
07-25-2007, 02:54 PM
^^Yeah, I get my jollies off watching people starve. Except for
one small problem. I would like for you to tell me how many
people have starved to death in the U.S. in the past year? You
should be able to tell me that right off the top of your pointy
head.

John Edwards is a joke. He wants to end poverty. Yeah, like
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton want to end racism.

Oh, I forgot I hate minorities. But, but I am one here in
San Antonio, don't you know.

You are a joke.

Yonivore
07-25-2007, 03:07 PM
^^Yeah, I get my jollies off watching people starve. Except for
one small problem. I would like for you to tell me how many
people have starved to death in the U.S. in the past year? You
should be able to tell me that right off the top of your pointy
head.

John Edwards is a joke. He wants to end poverty. Yeah, like
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton want to end racism.

Oh, I forgot I hate minorities. But, but I am one here in
San Antonio, don't you know.

You are a joke.
C'mon, xray! You can't expect him to meet that standard.

After all, millions have claimed to have been hungry at least once over the past year and that's enough to claim we have starving children.

I'm hungry now...am I starving?

gtownspur
07-25-2007, 03:32 PM
We need to stop forcing our war on poverty on other countries becuase that's imperialist. We need to worry about our own.

We seem to feed them over there so that they starve here.

Wild Cobra
07-25-2007, 04:59 PM
We need to stop forcing our war on poverty on other countries becuase that's imperialist. We need to worry about our own.

We seem to feed them over there so that they starve here.
I want to know when we will stop the funding for the war on drugs and the war on poverty. Afterall, far less progress after how many decades than we are having in Iraq.

It doesn;t matter how much we spend. It does no good. Some people insist on living with drugs, and some people are too lazy to advance their own livelyhood.

George Gervin's Afro
07-25-2007, 09:14 PM
C'mon, xray! You can't expect him to meet that standard.

After all, millions have claimed to have been hungry at least once over the past year and that's enough to claim we have starving children.

I'm hungry now...am I starving?


Your right..no one goes hungry in this country..

Yonivore
07-25-2007, 09:50 PM
Your right..no one goes hungry in this country..
I go hungry all the time.

No one starves in this country unless it is voluntary or due criminal negligence.

SA210
07-25-2007, 09:56 PM
No one starves in this country unless it is voluntary or due criminal negligence.

:rolleyes As usual, you know nothing.

Wild Cobra
07-26-2007, 12:20 AM
:rolleyes As usual, you know nothing.
Why do people choose to use words incorrectly? Wish to show ignorance? Shouldn't one check a dictionary before using such big words? Or are the schools failing us again with improper terminology?

Wiktionary definotion of 'starve.' (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/starve)

Intransitive verb

to starve (third-person singular simple present starves, present participle starving, simple past starved, past participle starved)

1. (obsolete) To die, in general:

But he that starf for oure redempcioun
And bond Sathan (and yet lith ther he lay) [CHAUCER Cnt, MoL. 633-634]

2. To die because of lack of food or of not eating.

He starved to death on a desert island.

3. (hyperbolically) To be very hungry.

Hey, ma, I'm starving!

4. (British, especially Yorkshire and Lancashire) To be cold.

I was half starved waiting out in that wind.

Transitive verb

to starve (third-person singular simple present starves, present participle starving, simple past starved, past participle starved)

1. To cause someone to die from lack of food or from not eating.

They starved the child until it withered away.

Wikipedia entry for 'starvation.' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve)


Starvation is a severe reduction in vitamin, nutrient, and energy intake, and is the most extreme form of malnutrition. In humans, prolonged starvation (in excess of 1-2 months) causes permanent organ damage and, eventually, death.

Just going hungry is not starvation.

George Gervin's Afro
07-26-2007, 06:59 AM
Why do people choose to use words incorrectly? Wish to show ignorance? Shouldn't one check a dictionary before using such big words? Or are the schools failing us again with improper terminology?

Wiktionary definotion of 'starve.' (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/starve)


Wikipedia entry for 'starvation.' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve)



Just going hungry is not starvation.


:rolleyes

Yonivore
07-26-2007, 07:16 AM
http://www.helpsaveslivestcst.com/starving%20child.bmp
STARVING CHILD - NOT AMERICAN

http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2006/06/hungry/clayton_cover400.jpg
HUNGRY CHILDREN - AMERICAN (ACCORDING TO NPR)

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

George Gervin's Afro
07-26-2007, 07:42 AM
http://www.helpsaveslivestcst.com/starving%20child.bmp
STARVING CHILD - NOT AMERICAN

http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2006/06/hungry/clayton_cover400.jpg
HUNGRY CHILDREN - AMERICAN (ACCORDING TO NPR)

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.



No one starves in this country unless it is voluntary or due criminal negligence.

So in your opinion which category does this family fit?

Yonivore
07-26-2007, 08:41 AM
So in your opinion which category does this family fit?
Those children aren't starving.

(Sorry, I just noticed my other picture didn't link properly and that's just as well. It was a picture of an African child covered in flies, with the tell-tale bloated belly and skin and bones frame.)