Ward Churchill Bites The Dust

[xrayzebra]

Poor baby. But he always has his tribe to go home to.

Bye-Bye baby (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/25/news/school.php)

[George Gervin's Afro]

Poor baby. But he always has his tribe to go home to.

Bye-Bye baby (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/25/news/school.php)


well there's a defeat for the 1st amendment.. and of course ray is giddy..

[Spurminator]

The First Amendment doesn't protect employees from being fired for saying stupid things.

See Rush Limbaugh, former ESPN employee.

[Flight3107]

well there's a defeat for the 1st amendment.. and of course ray is giddy..


The 1st amendment protects people who "commit academic misconduct by plagiarizing and falsifying parts of scholarly research" ?

[Yonivore]

well there's a defeat for the 1st amendment.. and of course ray is giddy..
1st amendment?

The idiot plagiarized his work and lied on his employment application.

Where's the first amendment come in?

[FromWayDowntown]

There would be a First Amendment concern if he was being fired for saying controversial things -- the University of Colorado is a state actor and thus, is obligated to comply with the First Amendment; that was not true with Limbaugh's situation at ESPN, where the First Amendment does not apply.

But, the University took this outside of the First Amendment and for good reason, apparently. If the professor truly did plaigarize sources in his academic work, then he should be fired. No university should tolerate academic dishonesty from its employees.

[Wild Cobra]

well there's a defeat for the 1st amendment.. and of course ray is giddy..
He wasn't fired for his free speech rights. First of all, students pay to learn, not to be indoctrinated. Even so, people having utter dislike for the anti-American activist was only the fuel to take his plagiarism and lies on his application to the degree legal. Funny how the article doesn't say anything about his claim to be Native American, which was a key reason he was hired to begin with. That is one reason he was fired.

From the free speech point of view, he has every right to do and say as he wished in his own time. Not during work hours.

We don't want teachers like Weaver teaching his propaganda and making students who fear to say otherwise. We want the class subject matter to be taught. Students should not have to tolerate the school becoming "Indoctrinate U":

Indoctrinate U Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2u9OJvw5wk)

Interesting interview:

Ward Churchill loses composure in Hawaii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN0ZxytJ1G4)

Notice how he refused to say he was Native Indian, but that criteria was self identification and acceptance...

Lies on job applications are reason to fire. Some pleople want to make it a crime.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

well there's a defeat for the 1st amendment.. and of course ray is giddy..

1st Amendment protects one's right to plagiarize? :huh

[PixelPusher]

1st Amendment protects one's right to plagiarize? :huh
On the subject of plagarism, I would defer to Yonivore's expertise.

[FromWayDowntown]

On the subject of plagarism, I would defer to Yonivore's expertise.

If Kori decided to ban those who plaigarize, Yonivore would have no recourse.

Yonivore has no First Amendment rights in this forum and neither do any of the rest of us.

Luckily, I suppose, Kori's willing to let things slide without attribution.

[gtownspur]

On the subject of plagarism, I would defer to Yonivore's expertise.


Does that mean you cover the idiot part?

[George Gervin's Afro]

1st amendment?

The idiot plagiarized his work and lied on his employment application.

Where's the first amendment come in?

SO we can agree that ANYONE who plagerizes has zero credibility..I'm ok with that..

I seem to remember very recently that well known conservative author was busted for plagerizing... I never saw the outrage from the Yoni's,Ray's G-town..etc No, they praise ANN coulter.. I know I'm a hypocrite..

On a side note I think this dude was a nut who deserved to punished..

[Yonivore]

SO we can agree that ANYONE who plagerizes has zero credibility..I'm ok with that..
No, we can agree that anyone who plagiarizes can be fired when they their plagiarism is used for enrichment or for their paid employment.

Nice try.


I seem to remember very recently that well known conservative author was busted for plagerizing... I never saw the outrage from the Yoni's,Ray's G-town..etc No, they praise ANN coulter.. I know I'm a hypocrite.
Praised her? :lmao

And, if she were working for a public university, I'd be for her firing as well. As for my part, I don't buy her books.


On a side note I think this dude was a nut who deserved to punished..
That's not a side note, that's the point of the thread.

Ann Coulter and my plagiarism are the side notes.

[Spurminator]

There would be a First Amendment concern if he was being fired for saying controversial things -- the University of Colorado is a state actor and thus, is obligated to comply with the First Amendment; that was not true with Limbaugh's situation at ESPN, where the First Amendment does not apply.

But, the University took this outside of the First Amendment and for good reason, apparently. If the professor truly did plaigarize sources in his academic work, then he should be fired. No university should tolerate academic dishonesty from its employees.


Interesting. I always figured that although Universities are state funded they still act as a business. They still rely mostly on tuition and alumni support.

So public employees cannot be fired for controversial comments? Could a police commissioner be fired for making a racist statement?

Either way, while CU may be using his plagiarism as the basis for his firing I have no doubt his Eichmann comments played a role... And I don't really feel bad about it either way.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

The First Amendment doesn't protect employees from being fired for saying stupid things.

See Rush Limbaugh, former ESPN employee.


can't think of a better way of stifling academic integrity then that can you? stupid things is a bit of an ambiguous standard after all

[Spurminator]

Academic integrity? Yeah, sounds like this guy was bursting at the seams with integrity.

[gtownspur]

can't think of a better way of stifling academic integrity then that can you? stupid things is a bit of an ambiguous standard after all


Referring 911 victims to little eichmanns is not stupid?

[Yonivore]

I think this is getting bigger than Ward Churchill

Mike Littwin at the Rocky Mountain News (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_5645377,00.html) argues that in case anyone thinks the Ward Churchill saga has ended, in fact it has only just begun. Churchill plans to sue CU for firing him, arguing that his dismissal on grounds of academic misconduct were simply a pretext for firing him for his political views (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5644396,00.html). Rocky Mountain News summarizes Churchill's suit:


In his suit, Ward Churchill claims he has been hounded by the media and politicians since January 2005, when his controversial essay about the 9/11 attacks was widely circulated. In response to the "outcry," CU pored over his published works in search of "some excuse for terminating his employment." That process violates his rights under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. CU should pay his legal bills.
As matters stand, Churchill is still entitled to a pension and separation pay. But that would be slim pickings for a man used to rock-star status and national attention.


Former CU professor Ward Churchill will get a state pension of about $70,000 if he chooses to take his retirement benefits. ... Under CU rules, Churchill also is entitled to one year’s salary as severance pay.
Littwin argues that Churchill's lawyers will argue that 'Everything happening here is in retaliation for his First Amendment protected speech. I don't have to prove it as the main reason. I just have to prove that it was a motivating factor.' They will maintain that politics is the real reason why Churchill was dismissed. There is of course, his academic misconduct. And while I disagree with Littwin's belief that the misconduct will be viewed only as a pretext -- Churchill's violations are so large and glaring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill) -- that it's a wonder he could style himself a "professor" at all, Littwin is probably right in asserting it wasn't academic fraud that drove CU into ditching Churchill. It was politics. The kind that wants to cover up how such creatures could get into academia in the first place. The American Council of Trustees and Alumni recently wrote a report which asked, "How Many Ward Churchills?" (http://www.goacta.org/whats_new/How%20Many%20Ward%20Churchills.pdf) The answer? Too many. And it asserts that Ward Churchill, rather than being an isolated instance of a rogue academic, is actually representative of a large number of faculty members in colleges and universities today. The report said:


But to understand Churchill as a one-of-a-kind phenomenon is to miss the lesson that he has to teach us about higher education today. Recruited into a tenured position with only a master’s degree in communication, Churchill has followed an exceptional path to academic prominence; even so, he is not at all unusual, and as an example of academe’s increasingly unapologetic ideological tilt, he is far from alone. In recent years, studies of faculty across America have shown that diverse and competing academic viewpoints are largely absent. And a student survey commissioned by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni in 2004 found that nearly half of college students at America’s top colleges feel their professors use their classes to preach politics rather than teach, while fully a quarter believe they must parrot their professors’ views in order to get a good grade.
By ridding themselves of this Jonah, academia might stand a chance of picking up where they left off. But they never reckoned with Wardo. Good old Wardo. Churchill's lawsuit against CU, fueled by his unlimited egocentrism, will not only threaten CU with large financial losses but keep the light shining where many would rather it not.

Maybe the exposure of Churchill's fraudulent career, the embarrassing performance of Duke's Group of 88 and the attention of watchdog groups like F.I.R.E. on campus speech muzzling will slow, or maybe reverse, the reliance upon college professors -- another of the Left's unelected and unaccountable clerical orders -- as sources of profundity and objectivity.

No news story today seems complete without a quote from some sheltered academic whose primary life experience is browbeating impressionable 19-year olds.

Indeed, maybe the chickens do come home to roost.

[SA210]

1st amendment?

The idiot plagiarized his work and lied on his employment application.

Where's the first amendment come in?
Yawny talking about plagiarism?

:lmao

[Oh, Gee!!]

If Kori decided to ban those who plaigarize, Yonivore would have no recourse.

Yonivore has no First Amendment rights in this forum and neither do any of the rest of us.

Luckily, I suppose, Kori's willing to let things slide without attribution.


where's his YouTube embedding!!??!!??????

[Yonivore]

where's his YouTube embedding!!??!!??????
Yeah!