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Melmart1
07-27-2007, 01:05 PM
He is back with the Cleveland Indians, supposedly to be announced at 4pm today.

THis was a great signing in the offseason, IMHO. He did way better than I expected and really came through as a leadoff guy.

I would suspect since the trade is for a minor leaguer that this means we will see someone called up. Let's hope it's Jason Botts. I wonder who will be our leadoff hitter, though? I also suspect that Byrd will now be our full time CF, since his bat is so hot and they gave him a few starts in the last week out there. I bet they knew Lofton was gonna be traded so kinda auditioned him to make sure his defense was solid enough.

AFBlue
07-27-2007, 02:32 PM
Report says the guy being brought in return is a minor league catcher Max Ramirez....I'll see if I can get more info.

AFBlue
07-27-2007, 02:34 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10271665


Indians bring Lofton back in deal with Rangers
July 27, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports




CLEVELAND -- Kenny Lofton returned for his third stint with Cleveland -- and another playoff run -- on Friday as the Texas Rangers traded the 40-year-old outfielder to the Indians for minor league catcher Max Ramirez.


Lofton was expected to arrive in Cleveland and be in the lineup for their series opener against the Minnesota Twins.

The Indians entered the weekend 1½ games behind first-place Detroit in the AL Central and leading the wild card. They've been in the market for a left-handed hitter with speed and had been scouting Lofton the past few weeks with the July 31 non-waiver deadline nearing.

Lofton was a five-time All-Star in nine seasons in Cleveland, the leadoff catalyst for the Indians, who dominated their division throughout the 1990s but haven't made the playoffs since he left as a free agent following the 2001 season.

Sometimes moody off the field but never a problem on it, Lofton was always one of Cleveland's most popular players and he has not spent more than one season anywhere else. Since getting a 20-game trial with the Houston Astros late in the 1991 season, Lofton has played for 10 other teams.

But although he's near the end of his career, the Indians believe he can help them get back to the postseason. With David Dellucci on the disabled list and Trot Nixon slumping, Cleveland needed another outfielder and Lofton was having a solid season -- his 17th in the majors -- batting .303 with seven homers and 23 RBI for the Rangers.

Lofton also has 21 steals, and will immediately give Cleveland's lineup a needed boost of speed at the top. The Indians have stolen only 54 bases.

Manager Eric Wedge will likely play Lofton in either right or left, flanking All-Star center fielder Grady Sizemore.

Lofton is Cleveland's franchise leader in steals (450) and ranks third in club history in runs (951). In nine seasons with the Indians, Lofton batted .300 and won four straight Gold Gloves in center field.

Since signing with the Chicago White Sox as a free agent in 2002, Lofton, a .299 career hitter, has played for seven teams as he tries to win an elusive World Series ring.

In his final game for the Rangers on Wednesday, Lofton homered and drove in three runs in a 7-6 win over Seattle.

With Texas again in last place in the AL West, there had been plenty of interest from contending teams in Lofton and Mark Teixeira, their 27-year-old switch-hitting slugger who has won two Gold Gloves at first base.

Atlanta, the Los Angeles Angels and the Los Angeles Dodgers are reportedly the most interested teams.

Any team that acquires Teixeira would get more than a rent-a-player for the rest of this season. While he will be eligible for salary arbitration after making $9 million this season, he can't become a free agent until after 2008.

The Indians acquired Ramirez last season from the Braves in exchange for closer Bob Wickman.

With Lofton gone, Marlon Byrd likely will become the regular center fielder for the Rangers.

Byrd didn't make the 25-man roster out of spring training, but going into Friday night's game at Kansas City had hit .350 since being recalled from Triple-A Oklahoma on May 26. He had a career-high six triples and 34 RBI in 54 games and his 50 starts had been split among all three outfield positions, six in center.

monosylab1k
07-27-2007, 05:20 PM
Lofton played really well for us, but this had to happen. Hopefully Sosa and Tex are next. I'm still on the fence about keeping Gagne versus trading him while his value is sky high.

Apparently this Ramirez guy has a ton of potential....which is good because I'm getting the feeling that Laird is never going to pan out and he may be best suited in a backup catcher/DH role.

BUMP
07-27-2007, 10:05 PM
IMO, this was a huge steal. a 40 year old vet who is nearing the end, dont get me wrong still productive, vs a guy with huge potential who played great in the 2007 Futures All Star Game at a position where we have little talent.

the Futures All Star Game has produced Adam Dunn, CC Sabathia, Jose Reyes, Miguel Cabrera, and Justin Verlander off the top of my head.

great trade

Johnny_Blaze_47
07-27-2007, 10:57 PM
IMO, this was a huge steal. a 40 year old vet who is nearing the end, dont get me wrong still productive, vs a guy with huge potential who played great in the 2007 Futures All Star Game at a position where we have little talent.

the Futures All Star Game has produced Adam Dunn, CC Sabathia, Jose Reyes, Miguel Cabrera, and Justin Verlander off the top of my head.

great trade

This is from my Baseball America subscription:

(BTW, covering MiLB like I have for parts of four years, I love the Futures Game... got to cover the one in 2004 @ Houston.)

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Futures Game Alumni All-Star Team

A look at what an all-star team composed of Futures Game alumni might look like
By Matt Eddy
July 8, 2006

We sure like to boast about the emerging talent on display at the annual Futures Game, but how good would a team composed only of Futures Game alumni really be? Could it compete with a real major league all-star team? Take a look:


CATCHERS

Joe Mauer, 23, Twins
The first player taken in the 2001 draft (ahead of Mark Prior and Mark Teixeira) and two times Baseball America's No. 1 prospect in baseball, Mauer is quite simply The Natural. Hitting .390 will get you noticed, but it's not the only area where Mauer excels. He's nabbed 39 percent of basestealers this season, the fourth-best mark in baseball, and has accumulated just six fewer extra-base hits in the first half than he did all of last season.
Distinctions: 2006 AL All-Star
MLB Career (3 seasons): .326/.399/.473

Victor Martinez, 27, Indians
The switch-hitting Martinez won the Indians' everyday catching job at age 25 and hasn't looked back, though his contributions can sometimes be overlooked because he does so many things well. As the club's five-hitter, Martinez hits .300 annually with 20 home runs, 30 doubles and 60 walks. And he strikes out about as often as he walks, too.
Distinctions: 2004 AL All-Star
MLB Career (5 seasons): .296/.366/.466

Others considered: Dioner Navarro, Russell Martin


FIRST BASE

Lance Berkman, 30, Astros
Original Futures Gamer has been one of the NL's most consistent power hitters since busting onto the scene in 2001. The switch-hitting Berkman is the rare slugger who can hit for average and power and still show a discerning eye at the plate. Very quietly, he's been in the thick of three MVP races.
Distinctions: 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006 NL All-Star; 3rd place in 2002 NL MVP vote; 5th place in 2001 NL MVP vote; 7th place in 2004 NL MVP vote
MLB Career (8 seasons): .303 /.415/.563 with 1,042 hits, 204 home runs, 243 doubles and 635 walks

Others considered: Nick Johnson, Justin Morneau


SECOND BASE

Alfonso Soriano, 30, Nationals
He's a left fielder now, and he played shortstop in the first Futures Game (in which he was named MVP), but it's second base where Soriano has made his mark in the majors, so that's where we're putting him. Nobody in the majors has his package of raw power and speed, and three times Soriano has compiled 30 home runs and 30 steals in the same season.
Distinctions: 1999 Futures Game MVP; 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 AL All-Star, 2006 NL All-Star, 3rd place in 2002 AL MVP vote
MLB Career (8 seasons): .279/.321/.505 with 1,002 hits, 188 home runs, 189 stolen bases and 216 doubles

Others considered: Marcus Giles, Chase Utley, Rickie Weeks, Adam Kennedy


SHORTSTOP

Rafael Furcal, 28, Dodgers
Another signature member of the inaugural Futures Game, Fucal led off and played shortstop for six Braves division-winning teams. He has topped 40 stolen bases in two different seasons and might be headed there again this season.
Distinctions: 2000 NL Rookie of the Year, 2003 NL All-Star
MLB Career (7 seasons): .282/.346/.402 with 1,011 hits, 171 doubles, 40 triples and 206 stolen bases

Others considered: Khalil Greene, Jose Lopez, Jose Castillo


THIRD BASE

David Wright, 23, Mets
One of baseball's most exciting and charismatic young stars, it's hard to find anything Wright can't do. He hits for average, hits for power to all fields, runs the bases effectively and fields his position. In his first full season, he exceeded a .300 average, 25 homers, 100 RBIs, 40 doubles, 70 walks and 15 steals. He didn't top 100 runs scored, though. He finished with 99.
Distinctions: 2006 NL All-Star
MLB Career (3 seasons): .307/.377/.537

Others considered: Hank Blalock, Aramis Ramirez


CORNER INFIELD

Ryan Howard, 26, Philllies
You could make a strong case for Blalock or Ramirez with this spot, but then you'd be ignoring that Howard might be the National League's preeminent power hitter. He's on pace for 50 home runs this season after cranking 22 in half a season's work last year, and he's managed to top .280 both years, despite an equally-high strikeout rate.
Distinctions: 2005 NL Rookie of the Year; 2006 NL All-Star
MLB Career (3 seasons): .287/.353/.585


MIDDLE INFIELD

Jose Reyes, 23, Mets
What Howard is to power, Reyes is to speed. Reyes has made strides as a bad-ball hitter this season, which is bad news for opponents because once he starts running he seldom stops. He led the NL in triples and steals last season and is on pace to do the same this year. Leading off for the Mets might enable him to add a runs scored title this season.
Distinctions: 2002 Futures Game MVP; 2006 NL All-Star
MLB Career (4 seasons): .283/.316/.415 with 34 triples and 129 stolen bases


LEFT FIELD

Adam Dunn, 26, Reds
He's seemingly been hitting home runs for so long, it's easy to forget Dunn will likely have more than 200 before turning 27 this November. Two of the most similar batters to Dunn--Darryl Strawberry and Reggie Jackson--had 186 and 157 through their age 26 seasons, which were coincidentally their first six seasons, also.
Distinctions: 2002 NL All-Star
MLB Career (6 seasons): .247/.382/.521 with 184 home runs, 141 doubles and 526 walks


CENTER FIELD

Grady Sizemore, 23, Indians
Much like Wright, Sizemore seemed to emerge from the minors with few flaws. Whereas the Mets weaned Wright by batting him further down in the lineup, the Indians immediately cast Sizemore as their leadoff hitter and everyday center fielder. He's responded by becoming precisely the player they envisioned.
Distinctions: 2003 Futures Game MVP; 2006 AL All-Star
MLB Career (3 seasons): .288/.356/.493


RIGHT FIELD

Miguel Cabrera, 23, Marlins
Though he's the same age as Sizemore and Wright, Cabrera has more than one full season's worth of experience on them. And his accomplishments at a young age are stunning: World Series champion (with a home run off Roger Clemens for good measure), three straight All-Star selections in three seasons as a regular and a top-five MVP finish.
Distinctions: 2004, 2005, 2006 NL All-Star, 5th place in 2005 NL MVP vote
MLB Career (4 seasons): .307/.378/.531 with 91 home runs


OUTFIELD

Carl Crawford, 24, Devil Rays
Crawford has seen his average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage improve a little in each season he's been a regular. If trends hold, he could be in line for a few MVP-caliber seasons in his prime. Factor in his blazing speed--Crawford is annually among the AL leaders in triples and stolen bases--and he's a natural choice for this, or any, team.
Distinctions: 2004 AL All-Star
MLB Career (5 seasons): .293/.325/.433 with 56 triples and 198 stolen bases

Vernon Wells, 27, Blue Jays
So much was expected of Wells that it's easy to view him as a mild disappointment. But in fact, Wells is a top-flight center fielder who's just now entering his prime. And for good measure he's left his contemporary five-tool Futures Game outfielders in the dust. Corey Patterson and Josh Hamilton were both once more highly regarded or considered on par with Wells.
Distinctions: 2003, 2006 AL All-Star; 2004, 2005 AL Gold Glove; 8th place in 2003 AL MVP vote
MLB Career (8 seasons): .288/.336/.493 with 844 hits, 129 home runs and 181 doubles

Others considered: Alex Rios, Brad Wilkerson, Wily Mo Pena


STARTING PITCHERS

Josh Beckett, 26, Red Sox
Amazing what a dominant postseason can do for one's reputation. Beckett has the unquestioned stuff to lead this staff, and in 2005 he came closest to having that season--winning 15 games and posting his second-best ERA--we've been expecting since he was drafted No. 2 overall. Now that he's a member of the Red Sox, his chances of adding to his postseason resume--that's two shutouts in five starts--would seem to be greatly increased.
Distinctions: 2003 World Series MVP
MLB Career (6 seasons): 51-38, 3.62 in 713 innings with 695-257 strikeouts-walks

C.C. Sabathia, 25, Indians
The great, overlooked young pitcher. Still just 25, Sabathia already has 75 wins and hasn't yet hit his stride. Sabathia has twice won 15 or more in a season and has never recorded an ERA higher than 4.39 of his rookie season. Despite impressive fastball velocity and some strong strikeout seasons, Sabathia's calling card has been his ability to limit baserunners and keep the ball in the park.
Distinctions: 2003, 2004 AL All-Star
MLB Career (6 seasons): 75-49, 4.08 in 1,053 innings with 835-406 strikeouts-walks

Barry Zito, 28, Athletics
He gets the most attention for his 2002 Cy Young Award, but Zito's among the most durable pitchers in baseball, having never made fewer than 34 starts or tossed fewer than 213 innings in any of his full seasons. Over that span he's ranked top five in the AL strikeouts five times, while going up against the likes of Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson and Johan Santana.
Distinctions: 2002 AL Cy Young, 2002, 2003, 2006 AL All-Star
MLB Career (7 seasons): 94-58, 3.48 in 1,327 innings with 1,033-517 strikeouts-walks

Mark Buehrle, 27, White Sox
Maybe the most unassuming ace in the majors, Buehrle never has won fewer than 14 games in any of his full seasons or posted an ERA above 4.14. He led the AL in innings in both 2004 and 2005, and won two of his three postseason starts in the latter. And he's done it all despite pitching his home games at US Cellular, which is notoriously friendly for righthanded power hitters.
Distinctions: 2002, 2005, 2006 AL All-Star; 5th place in 2005 Cy Young vote
MLB Career (4 seasons): 94-58, 3.65 in 1,341 innings with 781-308 strikeouts-walks

Ben Sheets, 27, Brewers
A very close call because of Sheet's injury trouble the past two seasons, but he gets the nod because of his Curt Schilling impersonation in 2004 (2.70 ERA, 264 strikeouts, 32 walks), which might be the most dominating single season of any pitcher to appear in a Futures Game. And the tie-breaker, of course, is and always will be Sheets' contributions to Team USA's gold medal-winning effort in 2000.
Distinctions: 2001, 2004 NL All-Star, 8th place in 2004 NL Cy Young
MLB Career (6 seasons): 56-65, 3.89 in 1,003 innings with 854-219 strikeouts-walks

Others considered: A.J. Burnett, Brad Penny, Mark Mulder, Rich Harden, Jeff Francis
In a few seasons, perhaps: Francisco Liriano, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander


RELIEF PITCHERS

B.J. Ryan, 30, Blue Jays
Through his first six seasons, Ryan had played for two organizations and had compiled just six saves, but he's since made up for lost time. Even by short reliever standards, Ryan allows a miniscule number of walks and home runs, which coupled with his strong strikeout rate make him one of baseball's elite closers. Fun stat: From 2003 through this season, lefthanded batters have managed just .148 off Ryan, with four homers and six doubles in 305 at-bats.
Distinctions: 2005, 2006 AL All-Star
MLB Career (8 seasons): 65-of-83 saves, 3.28 ERA in 423 innings with 517-204 strikeouts-walks

Francisco Rodriguez, 24, Angels
Teams seem to be more willing to entrust their ninth innings to young fireballers since K-Rod broke onto the scene in the 2002 postseason. The Venezuelan righty with the funky delivery and unhittable slider may have helped pave the way for the likes of Chad Cordero, Huston Street, Brad Lidge, Bobby Jenks and Jonathan Papelbon.
Distinctions: 2004 AL All-Star, 4th place in 2004 AL Cy Young vote
MLB Career (5 seasons): 78-of-96 saves, 2.53 ERA in 278 innings with 367-112 strikeouts-walks

Others considered: Francisco Cordero, Bobby Jenks, Neal Cotts

BeerIsGood!
07-28-2007, 06:13 AM
I guess you have to try to get something for Lofton, and I hope his potential pans out. I heard he's not a true catcher and is a recently converted 3rd baseman, but if he's good enough they can find a spot.

The precursor - hopefully something really good comes for Tex. Pitching has to be the priority

Johnny_Blaze_47
07-28-2007, 10:08 AM
I guess you have to try to get something for Lofton, and I hope his potential pans out. I heard he's not a true catcher and is a recently converted 3rd baseman, but if he's good enough they can find a spot.

The precursor - hopefully something really good comes for Tex. Pitching has to be the priority



Scout's View: Max Ramirez
By Chris Kline
July 3, 2007

As we continue to break down players in this year’s Futures Game, we stay on the World side again this week to take a look at Indians catcher Max Ramirez.

Dealt straight up from Atlanta to Cleveland for closer Bob Wickman last June, the 22-year-old is better known for his bat than his defensive skills, though he’s getting better behind the dish this season at high Class A Kinston.

Scouts in the low Class A South Atlantic League killed Ramirez’s defense last season, grading him as well below-average in game-calling, receiving and handling a staff. One American League scout said, “pitchers just look uncomfortable throwing to him.”

But the Carolina League has been a different story for Ramirez, who has handled one of the top lefthanders in the Indians’ system, David Huff, and the rest of the Kinston staff--which ranks No. 1 in the CL in ERA (3.23)--with aplomb.

Ramirez’s bat remains what will get him to the big leagues, however.

Signed by the Braves in 2002 out of Venezuela, Ramirez is hitting .305/.424/.538 with 11 homers and 48 RBIs in 210 at-bats.

Though Ramirez caught just 57 out of 117 games last year, the Indians have pushed their new prospect behind the plate more often to get more experience and to get a better look at what they have. So far this season, Ramirez has served as Kinston’s DH in just 10 of 59 games.

He’s caught 29 percent of would-be basestealers this season, which is up slightly from his limited time behind the plate last year.

We caught up with an American League scout who followed Ramirez for the last two weeks to find out where he stands, both offensively and defensively:

“You have to love the bat, but you somewhat question his overall tools defensively,” the scout said. “Still, if he can catch a little bit I don’t think you can ignore the offensive potential. This is definitely a guy who will hit for high average and I think he’ll be a guy who has the ceiling to hit 20 homers a year in the big leagues.

“He smokes balls to right-center (as a righthanded hitter). I mean, he just wears out that gap. But there’s also big power to that side of the field, which is impressive. He hits to all fields, he’s not afraid to shorten up his stroke when he has to . . . he’s just the complete package as a hitter. He turns on inside fastballs like nobody’s business and handles offspeed pitches well. Great pitch recognition.

“The only things Victor Martinez had on him at this stage is his ability to hit from both sides of the plate with a little more raw power. They’re both even in terms of their defensive ability at the same level.

“Ramirez is a guy you have to follow for a series or two to get a real feel for how much better he’s gotten back there, though he’s not a frontline catcher. He stands up when he throws, so there’s a delay in his transfer and his feet aren’t what I would call an asset.

“His arm strength and accuracy are both average, but his game-calling, his receiving have improved. He sets up pretty good and you can tell he’s working to study hitters. This league has been extremely beneficial for him; seeing the same guys in an eight-team league. It’s been huge for him.

“With as offensive as the game is now, there’s going to be a spot for him behind the plate somewhere. He’ll get by back there, but the place where he’ll make his living is with the bat.”

dallaskd
07-28-2007, 12:06 PM
Lofton wasnt coming back anyway. I expect we will sign Torii Hunter this winter so im OK with this. Looks like Teagarden is coming up to Frisco now. And we could package Ramirez in a Teixeira trade with Atlanta.

T Park
07-28-2007, 12:26 PM
another trade for those hooooot prospects.

Im sure the season ticketholders are estatic with another pathetic season.

I know this partial season ticket holder is.

monosylab1k
07-28-2007, 12:28 PM
I expect we will sign Torri Hunter this winter so im OK with this.

With Tom Hicks, you never know. I love Hunter, but with his age and the beating his body has taken, any contract he gets will be overpaying him big time. He's definitely on the decline. They still should get him though.

monosylab1k
07-28-2007, 12:29 PM
another trade for those hooooot prospects.

Im sure the season ticketholders are estatic with another pathetic season.

I know this partial season ticket holder is.

stick to cardinals talk, with the rangers you have no fuckin clue what you're talking about

Melmart1
07-28-2007, 12:35 PM
another trade for those hooooot prospects.

Im sure the season ticketholders are estatic with another pathetic season.

I know this partial season ticket holder is.
Then give up your tickets and shut the fuck up about it. They are thinking long-term which is something you praise the Spurs for, and not the Rangers? They are setting themselves up for the future so that they won't suck later. Would you rather them get a sandwich pick for Lofton at the end of the season or a proven prospect with a high cieling now?

This also gives Byrd the chance to prove himself playing everyday in CF. If he becomes a viable option at CF, then you can lock him up cheap long-term instead of overpaying for Hunter, and spend that money somewhere else. Like pitching, perhaps.

Flight3107
07-28-2007, 01:00 PM
another trade for those hooooot prospects.

Im sure the season ticketholders are estatic with another pathetic season.

I know this partial season ticket holder is.


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