How Long Will Donnie Nelson Sit With His Thumb Up His Ass?

[monosylab1k]

another day, another appalling lack of activity from the Mavs front office. Now Garnett is gone. Not that I thought we had a great shot at getting him, but still......DO FUCKING SOMETHING DONNIE!!!! ANYTHING!!! Still no word on Webber or Jones or Mason or even fuckin Matt Barnes. Will the Mavericks do ANYTHING worthwhile this offseason? or do they really think that a team who got the shit kicked out of them in the 1st round doesn't need help?

[Shank]

Expect them to sit even longer. Everything you've heard from the Mavs about them being happy with the assembly of the team and that they don't feel a shakeup is necessary is the truth. They still think the loss to GS was a fluke and that, given another chance, they'd beat the Warriors the next time they meet. They figure to add a few small pieces here and there, but really, you're already seeing next year's team.

It's even more of Avery trying to make this team in the blueprint of the Spurs. I've heard talk from Stack about how the Spurs handle the regular season, gearing up for the playoffs and how they'll do something similar next year. We already know Avery's m.o. and we're seeing it in the front office by standing by 'your guys' and 'your system' by not making big changes just because it didn't work the year before.

[Clark_Kent]

Hasn't Mason already signed with the Bucks?

[monosylab1k]

Hasn't Mason already signed with the Bucks?
yeah evidently so.

[monosylab1k]

this is some bullshit. they really don't think that this team needs some improvements in vital areas? fucking idiots.

[Dalhoop]

When a team wins that many games, a major overhaul is not needed. Your looking at the Warriors with fear in your eyes as a Mavs fan, and that fine, but at the same time, with the team as it is, Do you have the same fear when the Mavs are facing the Spurs? Suns? or Pistons?

The Mavs as they are right now, are built to beat the top teams. Would you want them to re-tool so they can beat the Warriors? Or Lakers? Or Clippers? No, you wouldn't.

If the Mavs are to win it all, they are going to have to beat the Spurs - Sun - Pistons. They will run into one of those teams in the playoffs eventually most likely late in the playoffs rounds.

So the Mavs are going to take their chances against the "Bad Match-up" teams in the early rounds and stay with the "Giant beater" team that they have now so that they have a chance in the later rounds.

[Findog]

I'm just fine with them bringing this team back intact. This year's FA class was weak and our cap situation improves greatly next year with Fin and the Mormon's dead money off the books. This is still a very young team, and if next year results in a disappointing playoff finish, THEN that's the time for a major shakeup, considering that would be 3 bad playoff finishes in a row, your cap situation is much better, and there's more to choose from FA-wise. I'm glad they didn't panic and overreact.

[John Patrick]

When a team wins that many games, a major overhaul is not needed. Your looking at the Warriors with fear in your eyes as a Mavs fan, and that fine, but at the same time, with the team as it is, Do you have the same fear when the Mavs are facing the Spurs? Suns? or Pistons?

The Mavs as they are right now, are built to beat the top teams. Would you want them to re-tool so they can beat the Warriors? Or Lakers? Or Clippers? No, you wouldn't.

If the Mavs are to win it all, they are going to have to beat the Spurs - Sun - Pistons. They will run into one of those teams in the playoffs eventually most likely late in the playoffs rounds.

So the Mavs are going to take their chances against the "Bad Match-up" teams in the early rounds and stay with the "Giant beater" team that they have now so that they have a chance in the later rounds.





wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?

[Findog]

wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?

I think the Mavs are better off keeping a team intact that can hang with San Antonio, Phoenix and Houston, as opposed to retooling to beat a Golden State team that no longer exists after the Richardson trade.

[monosylab1k]

wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?
It was. Just switch out "Warriors" with "Heat" and it's a carbon copy of what everybody was saying last year.

This year's team wouldn't have beaten the Spurs or Suns or Jazz, maybe not even the Rockets.

[Dalhoop]

I don't know what others were saying or thinking after the Heat series. I wouldn't mind playing the Heat for all the marbles again, I think that this team can beat the Heat and were a victum of some stellar play from a star player.

I wouldn't like to run into the Warriors again, they have had our number for several years now and until we start competing with them, I would just as soon avoid them in the playoffs.

The two series were completely different, the reasons that we lost were different. The Mavs feel that they have corrected the Heat mistake .. Until they show that they have solved the Warrior problem ... I would just as soon they avoid them.

I think they would have beaten the Spurs in six, Rockets in five and been taken to seven games by both the Suns and Jazz (Coin flip of those two series). But then we would never know any of that.

This team is built to beat the top tier teams though, ask the Spur fans here what team would give them the most problems.

[td4mvp3]

i'd be willing to say the mavs would have beaten the top teams ... had avery, after the warriors loss, not said he'd seen the problems within the team and how it wasn't as good as it thought it was. unless he was blowing smoke up our tails, he was pointing out that the current construction had some issues that needed addressing and the stand pat approach doesn't seem to do that. even if the issue was a lack of edge from having won so many games, shouldn't the loss to the heat have been enough of a spur to continue pushing? hell, a lot of mavs fans on this board said the finals loss was a bigger deal than the warriors fiasco ... but while it wasn't enough. now the lesser disappointment is supposed to spark them to greater heights? and i'm not buying a cumulative effect since the previous years' losses should have done as much. i think they should have done something.

[thispego]

mavs have been knocked back down to mediocre status. sure, espn might still tout them as one of the best 3 in the west, but will the mavs players still buy that? i dont think so... they're gonna be a shaky team next year, and if things start going badly... i dont know if they'll be able to stay intact.

[Findog]

mavs have been knocked back down to mediocre status. sure, espn might still tout them as one of the best 3 in the west, but will the mavs players still buy that? i dont think so... they're gonna be a shaky team next year, and if things start going badly... i dont know if they'll be able to stay intact.


You are a Moron. That is all.

How much money would you be willing to lay in Vegas that Dallas will go .500 next year if they're healthy? Because that's what mediocrity is.

[thispego]

i think it's possible, your boy shank said it himself that the mavs were going to start treating the reg season like the spurs do. Avery doesn't know what he's doing, he's a copycat, he sees other teams successes and tries to emulate them. I think Dallas will be a team with a lot of turmoil next season

[Findog]

i think it's possible, your boy shank said it himself that the mavs were going to start treating the reg season like the spurs do. Avery doesn't know what he's doing, he's a copycat, he sees other teams successes and tries to emulate them. I think Dallas will be a team with a lot of turmoil next season

If they return that roster intact and there are no significant injuries, that team wins 55+ games and gets a top four seed. Period. They might flame out in the playoffs again, but they'll go to work and do what they have to do during the regular season.

If the Mavs start treating the regular season "like the Spurs do," then that means 55+ wins and a top four seed.

Nobody here has a clue what is going on inside these guys heads and how they'll respond to Golden State. Stop pretending otherwise.

[thispego]

If they return that roster intact and there are no significant injuries, that team wins 55+ games and gets a top four seed. Period. They might flame out in the playoffs again, but they'll go to work and do what they have to do during the regular season.

If the Mavs start treating the regular season "like the Spurs do," then that means 55+ wins and a top four seed.

Nobody here has a clue what is going on inside these guys heads and how they'll respond to Golden State. Stop pretending otherwise.
that is the SPURS regular season formula, it works for the SPURS, Pop has been trying to figure it out for years now. Now Avery thinks he can just snap his fingers and recreate the same success as the Spurs? Yeah Right. Two different teams, Avery's gonna have to figure out hiw own way to get it done. I think the constant change of strategies is going to start rubbing the players the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, i'm not pretending like im a sports psychologist that is inside the mav's heads... but i'm just trying to interpret the signs

[BeerIsGood!]

I don't think the Mavs should be treating the regular season like the Spurs. That works for the Spurs (and also worked for the Lakers in 2001 and 2002) - because the roster is filled with veteran players with tons of championship experience. The Spurs know how to win championships come April, so they can afford to pace themselves. The Mavs are not in that same boat, and this past season completely regressed in the playoffs. I think they are still in the position of having to find out who will step up in the playoffs instead of knowing who will step up in the playoffs.

[thispego]

i lay the blame on avery for being too emotional of a coach

[Extra Stout]

I don't know what you Mavs fans want. Dirk is on the list for new testicles, but they have to wait for a donor. Be patient.

[BUMP]

I don't think the Mavs should be treating the regular season like the Spurs. That works for the Spurs (and also worked for the Lakers in 2001 and 2002) - because the roster is filled with veteran players with tons of championship experience. The Spurs know how to win championships come April, so they can afford to pace themselves. The Mavs are not in that same boat, and this past season completely regressed in the playoffs. I think they are still in the position of having to find out who will step up in the playoffs instead of knowing who will step up in the playoffs.

thats true.

i still dont think the Mavs should burn out in the reg. season. the fact of the matter is that before the playoffs, they hadnt played a big game in three months and probably were getting bored. then all of a sudden when the games counted they werent ready. and then they got frustrated after the GS game 1 victory

[Findog]

Now Avery thinks he can just snap his fingers and recreate the same success as the Spurs? Yeah Right

Considering Don Nelson will never win a title because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.


I think the constant change of strategies is going to start rubbing the players the wrong way.

There is no "constant change in strategies," that shit went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.


Dont get me wrong, i'm not pretending like im a sports psychologist that is inside the mav's heads... but i'm just trying to interpret the signs

Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.

[thispego]

Considering Don Nelson will never win a title because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.



There is no "constant change in strategies," that shit went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.



Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.
constant change of strategies = lineup change for GAME 1 vs GW, devin harris/jason terry who's the starter?, Going all out and achieving franchise record in wins one year, slow it done and grind out the regular season the next, etc.. Noone is saying they're irreparably broken... just broken, they need a little maintenance and repair, be it with their roster or just their egos.

[thispego]

Considering Don Nelson will never win a title because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.



There is no "constant change in strategies," that shit went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.



Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.
If that same sentiment is still circulating through the dallas lockerroom then there is more to worry about than you think. The Mavs BARELY beat the Spurs in that series. be honest, where did your testicles hide when Ginobili hit that three to put us up by 3 before his STUPID foul on dirkin game 7?> that series was wayyyy too close for you to take any amount of confidence in being able to repeat given the same situation. But, yes, still a breakthrough.

[Brutalis]

this is some bullshit. they really don't think that this team needs some improvements in vital areas? fucking idiots.
We've been saying they're fucking idiots for years man. Finally you see.

[Findog]

constant change of strategies = lineup change for GAME 1 vs GW,

Dampier had a torn rotator cuff


devin harris/jason terry who's the starter?,

That's like saying the Manu/Finley ''who's the starter" thing represents a constant change in strategies.


Going all out and achieving franchise record in wins one year, slow it done and grind out the regular season the next, etc..

I don't think they set out to make a run at 70. And after you win 67 games and get bounced by an 8-seed, the regular season means nothing more than getting enough wins to get a good playoff seed and tune up for the playoffs, nothing more or less. The Rockets successfully defended their title as a 6-seed, the Knicks made it to the Finals as an 8-seed in the lockout year, but usually if you are a serious contender, you need a top-four seed and HCA for at least one round.

[monosylab1k]

And after you win 67 games and get bounced by an 8-seed, the regular season means nothing more than getting enough wins to get a good playoff seed and tune up for the playoffs, nothing more or less.

This is also something that pisses me off, from everything I've heard from Avery and the players and Donnie. They talk out of both sides of their mouth BIG TIME when it comes to this. Half the time they say "regular season doesn't matter, it's all about the playoffs" but as soon as they're faced with the fact that they were a FIRST ROUND EXIT in the playoffs they immediately counter with "we won 67 games so no changes are needed".

[confined]

If that same sentiment is still circulating through the dallas lockerroom then there is more to worry about than you think. The Mavs BARELY beat the Spurs in that series. be honest, where did your testicles hide when Ginobili hit that three to put us up by 3 before his STUPID foul on dirkin game 7?> that series was wayyyy too close for you to take any amount of confidence in being able to repeat given the same situation. But, yes, still a breakthrough.

i really don't believe it makes any sense to say manu "dirked" away that game when it was dirk who beat you

and idk what all this talk of "repairing their egos" means....how can you repair an ego?...its a mental thing
the mavs lost because both the heat and the warriors had the right pieces ( mulitple athletic defenders) to stop dirk, i know from experience that basketball is pretty much an " Xs and Os" game...if one team has the pieces to stop you, then you loose....there isn't much thinking involved unless you are the coach
for example:
you take players that ( according to spurs fans ) don't choke like...

manu
horry
derek fisher
parker
wade

and put them against plays that ( again according to spurs fans ) do choke like...

dirk
nash
garnett
t-mac
and josh howard

there is no question who would win that game

basketball isn't about mental toughness....it's about who has the advantage over who

that being said i think the mavs roster should be fine...just add c-webb and call it an off-season

[mardigan]

Trade Jason Terry already
To me that is key, could get a decent starting shooting guard/small forward for him and they would be set
Trade him back to the Hawks for one of their small forwards

[Findog]

This is also something that pisses me off, from everything I've heard from Avery and the players and Donnie. They talk out of both sides of their mouth BIG TIME when it comes to this. Half the time they say "regular season doesn't matter, it's all about the playoffs" but as soon as they're faced with the fact that they were a FIRST ROUND EXIT in the playoffs they immediately counter with "we won 67 games so no changes are needed".

Everytime they talk to the media, it's "We like our team." Who knows what they really think or what they're really planning? They're not going to tip their hand on Dunham and Miller. They got Terry and Dampier in late August, they traded for Fatione in training camp. I'm not necessarily defending those moves per se, just that the offseason is far from over. But it's not the end of the world if they bring this back for one more year.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Jason Terry for Josh Smith :D

[monosylab1k]

Jason Terry for Josh Smith :D
i wish. Atlanta would be stupid to do that. Josh Smith is on the verge of All-Stardom. I don't think they'd even do Howard for Josh Smith.

[Findog]

i wish. Atlanta would be stupid to do that. Josh Smith is on the verge of All-Stardom. I don't think they'd even do Howard for Josh Smith.

I like Josh Smith a lot, but he's kind of a knucklehead. I don't know how many GM's would take Smith over Howard.

[mardigan]

i wish. Atlanta would be stupid to do that. Josh Smith is on the verge of All-Stardom. I don't think they'd even do Howard for Josh Smith.
Marvin Williams could probably be had

[Findog]

Marvin Williams could probably be had

If the price is Jason Terry, not interested.

[monosylab1k]

Marvin Williams could probably be had
dang that would be sweet. he's got even more upside than Josh Smith but he doesn't appear to have the mentality. he could really flourish as a role player on a good team.

[monosylab1k]

If the price is Jason Terry, not interested.
seriously? if they called me with that offer, i would have Terry on the first plane to Atlanta before hanging up.

[Findog]

seriously? if they called me with that offer, i would have Terry on the first plane to Atlanta before hanging up.

Actually, he put 13 and 5 as a 21-yr-old when the Hawks were crowded at that position. And UNC players tend to pan out in the pros. Just throw in Speedy as a backup to replace Terry's minutes and we'll throw in some salary filler and it's a done deal.

[thispego]

Dampier had a torn rotator cuff
was that the diagnosis at the time?




That's like saying the Manu/Finley ''who's the starter" thing represents a constant change in strategies.
there was and always has been an understanding there that manu makes the team better by coming off the bench. for the past couple of offseason i've heard about how harris is ready to start and the team is ready to give over the starting pg reigns over to little harris. what's gonna happen this year?is terry gonna come off the bench?




I don't think they set out to make a run at 70. And after you win 67 games and get bounced by an 8-seed, the regular season means nothing more than getting enough wins to get a good playoff seed and tune up for the playoffs, nothing more or less. The Rockets successfully defended their title as a 6-seed, the Knicks made it to the Finals as an 8-seed in the lockout year, but usually if you are a serious contender, you need a top-four seed and HCA for at least one round.
i'm just talking about avery regurgitating strategies that he knows works instead of coming up with his own scheme customized to his personnell. He's just a young coach... but everyone thought he was going to come in and already possess all the coaching experience one would need to take a team all the way.

[Dalhoop]

This is also something that pisses me off, from everything I've heard from Avery and the players and Donnie. They talk out of both sides of their mouth BIG TIME when it comes to this. Half the time they say "regular season doesn't matter, it's all about the playoffs" but as soon as they're faced with the fact that they were a FIRST ROUND EXIT in the playoffs they immediately counter with "we won 67 games so no changes are needed".

You seem to indicate that one of these two statements isn't true. If thats the case, which one is false?

It is all about the playoffs and the team did win 67 games. Is 67 wins (third all time) something to hang your hat on? In a season where you are disappointed in the final outcome, can you tell your players "We had a really good season, I know it ended badly, but we like what we are seeing with the team"

Coaches modivate in several ways. Every Mavs player and fan knows that last year was a disappointment. At the same time they all also know that the regular season was something to be prowd of.

You can talk all you want about regular season records no mattering, but there is a difference between a 55 win season and a 67 win season. When you talk about the Bulls 70 does it matter?

The mavs are prowd of what they did do, and they are equaly upset about what they did not do.

Are there changes that need to be made to the team? Every team in the league would like to add an athletic swingman. Every team in the league would like to add more low post domination. Every team in the league would like better play from those coming off the bench, and from their starters too. (Wouldn't the Spurs like to see a little more from Oberto?)

If every team wants the same things, maybe it's not so easy to get done the changes that you want.

In my opinion there are four teams that can "Stand pat" this off-season (Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Jazz). All those teams could stand pat and expect a better product on the floor next year just through their young players getting more experiance .. Everyone else needs to make moves.

[thispego]

i really don't believe it makes any sense to say manu "dirked" away that game when it was dirk who beat you

and idk what all this talk of "repairing their egos" means....how can you repair an ego?...its a mental thing
the mavs lost because both the heat and the warriors had the right pieces ( mulitple athletic defenders) to stop dirk, i know from experience that basketball is pretty much an " Xs and Os" game...if one team has the pieces to stop you, then you loose....there isn't much thinking involved unless you are the coach
for example:
you take players that ( according to spurs fans ) don't choke like...

manu
horry
derek fisher
parker
wade

and put them against plays that ( again according to spurs fans ) do choke like...

dirk
nash
garnett
t-mac
and josh howard

there is no question who would win that game

basketball isn't about mental toughness....it's about who has the advantage over who

that being said i think the mavs roster should be fine...just add c-webb and call it an off-season
No way you believe this. All the teams in the nba are good (some do have better individual players, but do the warriors or heat really have the mavs beat in this regard?), it's really all about which team wants it more, who is more disciplined and committed to the game plan that has gotten you to the current point of success, and trust that it will take you all the way. I just don't think Avery has the maturity as a coach to be the leader the mavs need him to be to get them through what I expect to be a turbulent season for the mavs in 07-08

[thispego]

i really don't believe it makes any sense to say manu "dirked" away that game when it was dirk who beat you

and idk what all this talk of "repairing their egos" means....how can you repair an ego?...its a mental thing
the mavs lost because both the heat and the warriors had the right pieces ( mulitple athletic defenders) to stop dirk, i know from experience that basketball is pretty much an " Xs and Os" game...if one team has the pieces to stop you, then you loose....there isn't much thinking involved unless you are the coach
for example:
you take players that ( according to spurs fans ) don't choke like...

manu
horry
derek fisher
parker
wade

and put them against plays that ( again according to spurs fans ) do choke like...

dirk
nash
garnett
t-mac
and josh howard

there is no question who would win that game

basketball isn't about mental toughness....it's about who has the advantage over who

that being said i think the mavs roster should be fine...just add c-webb and call it an off-season
that teams collective ego is bruised, whats hard to understand about that? devestating loss in the finals.... year of redemption leads to first round playoff exit to an 8 seed... their ego is on life-support.
Only success and solid leadership can heal those wounds.

[thispego]

You seem to indicate that one of these two statements isn't true. If thats the case, which one is false?

It is all about the playoffs and the team did win 67 games. Is 67 wins (third all time) something to hang your hat on? In a season where you are disappointed in the final outcome, can you tell your players "We had a really good season, I know it ended badly, but we like what we are seeing with the team"

Coaches modivate in several ways. Every Mavs player and fan knows that last year was a disappointment. At the same time they all also know that the regular season was something to be prowd of.

You can talk all you want about regular season records no mattering, but there is a difference between a 55 win season and a 67 win season. When you talk about the Bulls 70 does it matter?

The mavs are prowd of what they did do, and they are equaly upset about what they did not do.

Are there changes that need to be made to the team? Every team in the league would like to add an athletic swingman. Every team in the league would like to add more low post domination. Every team in the league would like better play from those coming off the bench, and from their starters too. (Wouldn't the Spurs like to see a little more from Oberto?)

If every team wants the same things, maybe it's not so easy to get done the changes that you want.

In my opinion there are four teams that can "Stand pat" this off-season (Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Jazz). All those teams could stand pat and expect a better product on the floor next year just through their young players getting more experiance .. Everyone else needs to make moves.
the second one

yes, they won the championship

anything beyond what he gives us now is just icing on the cake

and it's proud.... were you doing that on purpose?

[Findog]

was that the diagnosis at the time?

It was the reason he wasn't playing. He hardly played the last couple weeks of the regular season, and when he did, he didn't have his full range of motion and he was missing from 4 feet in. I think Avery is not about making excuses, so at the time the talk was about "matchups," etc.





there was and always has been an understanding there that manu makes the team better by coming off the bench. for the past couple of offseason i've heard about how harris is ready to start and the team is ready to give over the starting pg reigns over to little harris. what's gonna happen this year?is terry gonna come off the bench?

I don't know where Terry fits in, but the talk is that Harris is going to sink or swim as a starter.

[thispego]

It was the reason he wasn't playing. He hardly played the last couple weeks of the regular season, and when he did, he didn't have his full range of motion and he was missing from 4 feet in. I think Avery is not about making excuses, so at the time the talk was about "matchups," etc.






I don't know where Terry fits in, but the talk is that Harris is going to sink or swim as a starter.
wasn't that always the case? :lol

better give lil devin some floaties then! :lol

[monosylab1k]

You seem to indicate that one of these two statements isn't true. If thats the case, which one is false?
it's the way they use those statements. they tell us that what happens in the playoffs is the ultimate barometer, but when people say "you lost in the first round" they reply with "but we won 67 games, therefore we don't have to change".

bottom line, this is a team that didn't get out of the first round of the playoffs....does a team like that need change or not? fuck whether they won 67 games or 47 games....they're a FIRST ROUND LOSER and any FIRST ROUND LOSER needs more than insignificant "upgrades" like Brandon Bass and Keith Van Fazekas.

[confined]

No way you believe this. All the teams in the nba are good (some do have better individual players, but do the warriors or heat really have the mavs beat in this regard?), it's really all about which team wants it more, who is more disciplined and committed to the game plan that has gotten you to the current point of success, and trust that it will take you all the way. I just don't think Avery has the maturity as a coach to be the leader the mavs need him to be to get them through what I expect to be a turbulent season for the mavs in 07-08
the warriors and the heat have the mavs number because they posess the pieces that can stop our superstar ( who we just so happen to run a majority of the plays through) The disciplin comes from the coach ( whom of which is going into his third year as head coach) it doesn't matter how much the mavs "wanted it" when their superstar and leader was taken out of the series

[thispego]

what's your point?

[Roxsfan]

dallas just needs to pace themselves until the allstar break.......and in spurs fashion......start clicking down the stretch........instead of win, win, win, win, ankle-sprains, win, ankle-sprains.....all star break...wins, wins, anklesprains, losing games and motivation.....start playoffs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Unrestricted free agent James Posey has drawn the interest of several teams, including the Mavericks.

But Posey, the one-time Miami Heat defensive stopper, is caught in the same logjam as many other unrestricted free agents who are waiting for restricted free agents Pietrus and Sasha Pavlovic to be signed.

Teams have been reluctant to commit to other big guards or small forwards until Pietrus and Pavlovic sign.

Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, sees some progress.

"We're talking," he said. "There have been a number of conversations."

Bartelstein said another client, P.J. Brown, plans to talk with several possible contenders before making a decision on whether to play a 15th NBA season or retire.

At 6-11, Brown could potentially give the Mavericks another big body to go with Erick Dampier and DeSagana Diop.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/080307dnspomavslede.d6e54f69.html

[LEONARD]

I'm fine with the same team coming back honestly...

[Turbo]

Roxsfan has got the right idea.

[monosylab1k]

funny how nothing has changed in a year.

[monosylab1k]

this is some bullshit. they really don't think that this team needs some improvements in vital areas? fucking idiots.

i hear ya friend.

[sribb43]

I think we should get a bunch of us and start a picket line in from of the AAC w/ fire Donnie signs

[endrity]

I think we should get a bunch of us and start a picket line in from of the AAC w/ fire Donnie signs

I get that most fans are upset at the lack of activity but from a cap and contract point of view the Mavs' hands are tied. They are over the cap, and most of the contracts they have right now (Stack, Terry, Damp, Josh) are not friendly at all to trades. So there really is very little to do in this case other than hope that a new coach and internal growth (Bass, Diop, Green ?) can fill some of the void.

One thing they can do is trade Kidd, but who wants to pay him his whole year salary right now.

The one who should be really pissed right now is Dirk, because his prime was wasted by a total douchebag of a head coach and only thing he has to show for it is one good playoffs run.