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Wild Cobra
08-01-2007, 09:59 PM
Well, Minnestota has a real disaster. The I35 west bridge has collapsed at 6:05 PM for their local time.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/08/01/us/02bridge.1-600.jpg

Various newss account I scanned so far has the deaths up to 6, but we can expect so many more. Seven bodies were noted by one witness floating in the river. A few links:

Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis Kills at Least 6 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/us/02cnd-bridge.html)
6 killed in Minneapolis bridge collapse (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_re_us/minnesota_bridge_collapse_29)
1 killed, 28 hurt in bridge collapse (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_re_us/minnesota_bridge_collapse_23)

Aparrently, only two lanes of eight were open and bumper to bumper when this occured. Maintenance was being performed with resurfacing sheduled at 8 PM. Could the bumper to bumper weight of vehicles on one sude have been the straw that broke the camels back? Could terrorists who we are told were planning operations have sabataged the bridge?

I'm curious to hear what the explaination is in these next few days.

---added---

I cannot wait to hear the conspiracies the Bush haters will come up with. We all know it will be president Bush's fault somehow...

Johnny_Blaze_47
08-01-2007, 10:05 PM
Is it really considered "breaking" three hours later?

boutons_
08-01-2007, 10:15 PM
WC has an exalted sense of self-importance.

possessed
08-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Probably surprised the shite out of the guy in the honey bucket.

Wild Cobra
08-01-2007, 10:32 PM
OK, three hours isn't quite "breaking" but it is very recent.

Here are some vidio feeds:

Channel 4 CBS news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=952695&cl=3550308&src=news)
KMSP vidio feed (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=3549648&ch=68276&src=news)
KARE Channel 11 witness speaksKARE channel 11 vidio feed (http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=51335&bw=)
KARE channel 11 vidio feed (http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=51333&sid=261140&bw=)

Nbadan
08-02-2007, 02:10 AM
A Washington Post report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080102072_2.html?hpid=topnews) on the failed bridge - not terra


Department of Homeland Security officials said they have ruled out terrorism as a cause. Pawlenty said that the bridge had been inspected in 2005 and 2006 and that "no immediate or noted structural problems" were found.

Reports issued by the Minnesota Department of Transportation over the past decade have detailed problems with the bridge. In 1997, the department noted problems with the approach spans on both ends, including "cracks . . . in the cross girder at the end of the approach spans." In a 2001 report, department engineers said that the bridge's deck truss "has not experienced fatigue cracking, but it has many poor fatigue details on the main truss and floor truss system."

But that report concluded that the bridge "should not have any problems with fatigue cracking in the foreseeable future." As a result, they wrote, the department "does not need to prematurely replace this bridge because of fatigue cracking, avoiding the high costs associated with such a large project."

Jay Danz, 45, of St. Paul told the Star Tribune that he was driving to the Minnesota Twins baseball game on a parkway beneath the structure when he heard the bridge "creaking and making all sorts of noise it shouldn't make."

"And then the bridge just started to fall apart," he said.

Investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board traveled to Minneapolis last night to determine why the bridge collapsed, Chairman Mark V. Rosenker said. About 140,000 vehicles a day pass over the bridge, which connects two sides of Minneapolis, according to the Minnesota Department of Transportation. It is near the city's business district and the University of Minnesota.

"It's obviously a catastrophic collapse," Rosenker said, adding that he had no details about why the accident occurred. "We are calling in bridge experts from across the country."

Emergency service officials from as far away as 40 miles arrived on the scene. Racing against an approaching lightning storm and growing darkness, city officials dispatched boats and half a dozen dive teams in a frantic rescue effort.

Rescuers scrambled up and down the riverbanks, moving amid half-submerged cars and SUVs in the shadow of dangling concrete and blacktop overhead, their shouts punctuated by the cries of bloodied survivors. In deeper water, divers launched themselves into open car windows, looking for victims. Rescuers helped motorists stranded in their cars inside a V-shaped gorge created by buckled roadway.

Broken north and south sections of the bridge stood almost vertical, bordered by twisted green girders, the roadbed's bottom edges resting on the wide riverbank. Rescuers helped motorists stranded in their cars inside a V-shaped gorge created by buckled roadway.

As late as 9:30 p.m., rescuers were still trying to search caverns of stacked concrete for victims, said Kristi Rollwagen, Minnesota director of emergency preparedness.

About 60 children, ages 5 to 14, were in the school bus, which was returning from a day camp. They were among the first to be removed from the scene and sent to hospitals and shelters. Courtney Johnson of the American Red Cross said most of the children appeared not to be seriously hurt.

"It looked like a terrorist attack," Ryan Murphey, 30, of Minneapolis told the Star Tribune. "But everyone there was very calm and organized." Murphey said he helped carry stretchers holding two victims from the east riverbank, including a middle-aged woman with a blood-smeared face.

Emergency vehicles backed up several deep near the broken highway edge, where cars teetered. Traffic had been moving about 20 mph when the bridge's light poles trembled, witnesses said, and a low rumble built into the roar of the collapse.

At the Holiday Inn Metrodome, within sight of the collapse, half a dozen police chaplains and Red Cross workers assembled to meet with family members or others seeking victims or survivors as huge banks of searchlights illuminated the scene of the collapse.

Concerned Minnesotans jammed cellphone lines, looking for news and the whereabouts of loved ones. Announcers told the crowd at the nearby Twins game of the collapse shortly after 7 p.m. local time, but officials decided to continue the game after a moment of prayer to help prevent more traffic from pouring into the chaotic scene.

xrayzebra
08-02-2007, 03:05 PM
Wonder if anyone has considered how much of our infracture is
in critical condition? And how our tax dollars are being spent?
We spend money on all kinds of "junk" PC crap while the original
reason taxes were collected are neglected. And still we will
proceed on with the PC crap and go to toll roads and added
"fees" for money to supposedly take care of basic needs. Like
bridges, roads, sewers, sidewalks and water systems. Remember
the children and homeless.

FromWayDowntown
08-02-2007, 04:17 PM
Wonder if anyone has considered how much of our infracture is in critical condition? And how our tax dollars are being spent?
We spend money on all kinds of "junk" PC crap while the original reason taxes were collected are neglected. And still we will proceed on with the PC crap and go to toll roads and added "fees" for money to supposedly take care of basic needs. Like bridges, roads, sewers, sidewalks and water systems. Remember the children and homeless.

I heard someone say this morning that a recent federal study showed that such infrastructure was in need of crucial repair and that the cost to upgrade it would run something like $500 billion. His point was that the federal government has spent approximately that much to liberate and rebuild Iraq. I don't necessarily find the answer to be a zero-sum game on that point, but his point was, to me at least, well-taken.

Iraqis can be confident that only bombs are making their bridges and highways potential dangers.

EDIT: A story linked by Drudge specifically says:


More than 70,000 bridges across the country are rated structurally deficient like the span that collapsed in Minneapolis, and engineers estimate repairing them all would take at least a generation and cost more than $188 billion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_re_us/bridge_safety_3

I suspect that the $500 billion number is legit and refers to infrastructure concerns beyond just bridges. Nevertheless, the concern for our infrastructure is a valid one.