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Nbadan
08-03-2007, 01:28 AM
...and all is going to be well again in our schools, you'll see....

Students must remember 'God' in Texas pledge
By MELANIE MARKLEY
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle



Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

Texas students will have four more words to remember when they head back to class this month and begin reciting the state's pledge of allegiance.

This year's Legislature added the phrase "one state under God" to the pledge, which is part of a required morning ritual in Texas public schools along with the pledge to the U.S. flag and a moment of silence.

State Rep. Debbie Riddle, who sponsored the bill, said it had always bothered her that God was omitted in the state's pledge.

"Personally, I felt like the Texas pledge had a big old hole in it, and it occurred to me, 'You know what? We need to fix that,' " said Riddle, R-Tomball. "Our Texas pledge is perfectly OK like it is with the exception of acknowledging that just as we are one nation under God, we are one state under God as well."

By law, students who object to saying the pledge or making the reference to God can bring a written note from home excusing them from participating.

But adding that phrase has drawn criticism from some who say it's unnecessary and potentially harmful to children who don't share the same religious beliefs. "Most Texans do not need to say this new version of the pledge in order to be either patriotic or religious," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. "This is the kind of politicking of religion that disturbs many Americans, including those who are deeply religious."

The revised wording in the Texas pledge took effect on June 15, and the Texas Education Agency sent an e-mail reminding school districts about the change earlier this week.

Officials with Houston-area districts say they will notify schools and parents about the new requirement.

Rebecca Suarez, spokeswoman for the Houston Independent School District, said a letter about the change will be sent home to parents when their children return to school. And a flier with the pledge's revised wording will be sent to each campus before classes start.

Texas has had a pledge of allegiance since 1933. In 2003, the Legislature required all schools to pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags and observe a moment of silence every morning at the beginning of classes.

Texas isn't the only state that has its own pledge of allegiance. Other states include Michigan, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Kentucky.

Mississippi and Louisiana mention God in their pledges. And Kentucky lays claim to being blessed with "grace from on High."

Houston Chronicle (http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5020241.html)

Let's have a moment of silence for Christian religious tolerance and diversity in TX schools...

boutons_
08-03-2007, 02:39 AM
"the state's pledge of allegiance."

Pledging allegiance to Texas?
what bullshit.
Fucking politicians are fucking nuts.

UV Ray
08-03-2007, 03:20 AM
...and all is going to be well again in our schools, you'll see....

Students must remember 'God' in Texas pledge
By MELANIE MARKLEY
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle




Houston Chronicle (http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5020241.html)

Let's have a moment of silence for Christian religious tolerance and diversity in TX schools...



Just scrap that tedious mumbling. Replace it with something that will inspire a little more enthusiasm. Maybe something like:

Is this a great country or what?
(with crescendo and emphasis on "what")

fyatuk
08-03-2007, 07:39 AM
Pledges are ridiculous anyway. It's incredibly stupid to require people to say them (as has been required for the US pledge for a long time and the State pledge for the last few years).

I managed to avoid saying the US pledge as a kid because I made a coherent argument that it violates my constitutional rights in the 3rd grade or something.

And adding "God" to it is just asinine.

Althought, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it said "one state under a Supreme Being" since according to the state constitution all elected officials must believe in a Supreme Being. As long as no one was MANDATED to say it anyway.

johnsmith
08-03-2007, 08:48 AM
"the state's pledge of allegiance."

pledging allegiance to Texas? what bullshit fucking politicians are fucking nuts.


Holy shit........................



I agree.

TLWisfoine
08-03-2007, 12:55 PM
One step closer to becoming a theocracy!!! :rolleyes

fyatuk
08-03-2007, 12:59 PM
One step closer to becoming a theocracy!!! :rolleyes

Hard to get any closer than Texas, at least as a member of the US.

We already require our leaders to believe in a Supreme Being, etc.

Still waiting for someone to challenge some of those state Bill of Rights amendments so the entire Constitution gets scrapped.

xrayzebra
08-03-2007, 02:08 PM
Pledges are ridiculous anyway. It's incredibly stupid to require people to say them (as has been required for the US pledge for a long time and the State pledge for the last few years).

I managed to avoid saying the US pledge as a kid because I made a coherent argument that it violates my constitutional rights in the 3rd grade or something.

And adding "God" to it is just asinine.

Althought, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it said "one state under a Supreme Being" since according to the state constitution all elected officials must believe in a Supreme Being. As long as no one was MANDATED to say it anyway.

What a dumb statement, if I have ever heard one.
Gee, you had social conscious in the third grade.
By the way, you never answered my question. You
put yourself out as some kind of "farmer" expert, where
is all the good consumer corn now days. Or does the
ethanol require large ears.

fyatuk
08-03-2007, 03:48 PM
What a dumb statement, if I have ever heard one.
Gee, you had social conscious in the third grade.
By the way, you never answered my question. You
put yourself out as some kind of "farmer" expert, where
is all the good consumer corn now days. Or does the
ethanol require large ears.

You're right, the pledge is a dumb statement ;) (a pledge you are forced to say is no pledge anyway)

And that wasn't me. I've never claimed to be anything related to farming except a decendant of Iowan farmers. I helped raise tomatos once, and I have played in a corn field. That's about it for me.

UV Ray
08-03-2007, 04:29 PM
Pledges are ridiculous anyway. It's incredibly stupid to require people to say them (as has been required for the US pledge for a long time and the State pledge for the last few years).

I managed to avoid saying the US pledge as a kid because I made a coherent argument that it violates my constitutional rights in the 3rd grade or something.

And adding "God" to it is just asinine.

Althought, I wouldn't have a problem with it if it said "one state under a Supreme Being" since according to the state constitution all elected officials must believe in a Supreme Being. As long as no one was MANDATED to say it anyway.

I agree 100 percent.

UV Ray
08-03-2007, 04:32 PM
You're right, the pledge is a dumb statement ;) (a pledge you are forced to say is no pledge anyway)

And that wasn't me. I've never claimed to be anything related to farming except a decendant of Iowan farmers. I helped raise tomatos once, and I have played in a corn field. That's about it for me.

Exactly.

UV Ray
08-03-2007, 04:49 PM
Gee, you had social conscious in the third grade.


Which would make the pledge, at that age, even more ridiculous.

Cant_Be_Faded
08-03-2007, 05:21 PM
Jeeze, I actually forgot I was forced to say that every day at school for probably over 3000 weekdays in a row. Weird. You'd think something like that would stick.

I am so sick of fundamentalist christians thinking its their fucking life duty to throw their shit into our faces.

TLWisfoine
08-03-2007, 09:29 PM
It is my constitutional right (for now anyways) to choose not to say the pledge of allegiance!!!

sabar
08-04-2007, 11:50 AM
Pledging allegiance in the 3rd grade is dumb in itself. Who else are they loyal to? Shouldn't pledging to a state should be treason against the federal government anyways? And then throw in a religious figure for some reason.

fyatuk
08-04-2007, 12:45 PM
Uh now. Treason has a very narrow declaration in the US.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. "

I mean, technically plotting to overthrow the governmnet isn't treason unless you start a war to do it.

Plus, pledging allegience to a member state in no way could be construed as treason against the federal anyway, since theoretically the states are loyal to the federal governmnet.

Think in terms of the feudal system. Most knights would not be in direct service to a king, they would be in service to a Lord who was loyal to the king. In so doing, they would still be loyal to the King until their Lord told them otherwise.