And you thought pit bulls were bad pets

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004092008,00.html

Fucking idiot

[greywheel]

Ironically the article uses pit bulls as a matter of reference.

She said: “He had spiders so aggressive they are the equivalent of a pit-bull in the animal world.”

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why use Pitbulls in your title? You are being just as ignorant as the media when you do stuff like this. Find me someone who's owned a pitbull that agrees with you.

[Trainwreck2100]

Why use Pitbulls in your title? You are being just as ignorant as the media when you do stuff like this. Find me someone who's owned a pitbull that agrees with you.


I can cite 8 innocent people sttacked by them

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Why use Pitbulls in your title? You are being just as ignorant as the media when you do stuff like this. Find me someone who's owned a pitbull that agrees with you.


Oh, the irony of it all.

[mavs>spurs2]

Oh, the irony of it all.

What's ironic, the fact that you're an ignorant fuck when it comes to pit bulls?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

What's ironic, the fact that you're an ignorant fuck when it comes to pit bulls?

From one of the dozen or so pit bull threads....

"Through January 20, 2002, the log of life-threatening and fatal attacks showed that pit bulls had committed 592 (45%) of the 1,301 total attacks qualifying for inclusion, including 280 (21%) of the attacks on children, 222 (60%) of the attacks on adults, 51 (34%) of the fatal attacks, and 321 (45%) of the maimings and disfigurements.

Rottweilers had committed 291 (22%) of the attacks, including 24% of the attacks on children, 63 (17%) of the attacks on adults, 36 (24%) of the fatalities, and 159 (22%) of the maimings and disfigurements.

Combined, pit bulls and Rottweilers had committed 72% of all the attacks, 45% of the attacks on children, 77% of the attacks on adults, 58% of the fatalities, and 67% of the maimings and disfigurements."

Source:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#statistics





Maybe you need to get educated.

[Bigzax]

Chopper wins!

[BacktoBasics]

Maybe you need to get educated.
Cars and guns kill people too, right?

[BacktoBasics]

From one of the dozen or so pit bull threads....

"Through January 20, 2002, the log of life-threatening and fatal attacks showed that pit bulls had committed 592 (45%) of the 1,301 total attacks qualifying for inclusion, including 280 (21%) of the attacks on children, 222 (60%) of the attacks on adults, 51 (34%) of the fatal attacks, and 321 (45%) of the maimings and disfigurements.

Rottweilers had committed 291 (22%) of the attacks, including 24% of the attacks on children, 63 (17%) of the attacks on adults, 36 (24%) of the fatalities, and 159 (22%) of the maimings and disfigurements.

Combined, pit bulls and Rottweilers had committed 72% of all the attacks, 45% of the attacks on children, 77% of the attacks on adults, 58% of the fatalities, and 67% of the maimings and disfigurements."

Source:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#statistics





Maybe you need to get educated.Here is another souce

A study performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, analyzed dog bite statistics from the last 20 years and found that the statistics don't show that any breeds are inherently more dangerous than others. The study showed that the most popular large breed dogs at any one time were consistently on the list of breeds that bit fatally. There were a high number of fatal bites from Doberman pinschers in the 1970s, for example, because Dobermans were very popular at that time and there were more Dobermans around, and because Dobermans'size makes their bites more dangerous. The number of fatal bites from pit bulls rose in the 1980s for the same reason, and the number of bites from rottweilers in the 1990s. The study also noted that there are no reliable statistics for nonfatal dog bites, so there is no way to know how often smaller breeds are biting.

http://www.healthypet.com/library_view.aspx?ID=16&sid=1

and another

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

both would disagree with you. The stats are skewed for obvious reasons. Even you aren't this ignorant.

Good example of stat skewing.

If a black man punches a white guy the cops are surely getting called. If a white dudes hits a black man either nothing happens or white dude gets his ass kicked and can't make the call.

I promise you if a golden retriever nips little Timmy and nothing happens Timmy goes home and mommy kisses it all better but if a pit nips little Timmy the swat will be there in 4.2 seconds to take it down.

Maybe you should do so more homework

[BacktoBasics]

Also stated

What proportion of that breed in the community exhibits human aggression? For example, if there were 5,000 pit bulls in a given area, and 5 attacked humans during the previous year, but there were 100 of some other breed in the same area and 5 also attacked humans, statistics would suggest that the other breed is a far more aggressive breed than pit bulls, with 4,995 pit bulls behaving quite decently.[1] Most statistics published show only the number of dogs of various breeds involved in attacks, not the percentage of dogs of that breed in the area who were involved in attacks. Any popular breed is more likely to show up with more attacks because there are simply more dogs, just as a less popular breed will show up as having a higher percentage of attacks because there are simply fewer dogs.

and even more information pertaining to misidentification of breed

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/MistakenIdentity/WrongId.htm

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If a black man punches a white guy the cops are surely getting called. If a white dudes hits a black man either nothing happens or white dude gets his ass kicked and can't make the call.

I promise you if a golden retriever nips little Timmy and nothing happens Timmy goes home and mommy kisses it all better but if a pit nips little Timmy the swat will be there in 4.2 seconds to take it down.

Maybe you should do so more homework

So, now you're comparing black men to pit bulls???

That's funny. You post 20 links defending one of the worst dog breeds on the planet, weakly attempting to come off as informed, and then you make a stupid, dumb-ass comparison like that.

Please stop playing with the big boys.

[BacktoBasics]

So, now you're comparing black men to pit bulls???

That's funny. You post 20 links defending one of the worst dog breeds on the planet, weakly attempting to come off as informed, and then you make a stupid, dumb-ass comparison like that.

Please stop playing with the big boys.I guess the big boys only use one stat and one biased source without looking around and actually checking all immeadiate available information. Good job you arrogant know-it-all pompous asshole.

I provided you with tenfold the information you did. Just as logical and equally substantiated. Then I made a reasonable analogy pertaining to judgement based on race much like dog breed and how stats can easily be skewed.

All you do is post the same statistic from the same page and nothing more. You did nothing more than use one biased reference for your arguement. You proved nothing other than you can post the same single link over and over again and then hurl insults to more reasonable people. You come across just like one of those redundant blind bible thumpers.

Back your shit up or shut the fuck up already. You proved nothing. Find some more material and more support, not just one skewed stat on one page. Most people don't hold your stance and when I say most people I mean the people that actually do the research and provide the public with info, not to mention dog breeders and vets alike.

One lame ass post and you think you know something....fucking laughable. You're stat is a joke and well over the majority of the real info found online goes against your one stat from one website.

Maybe you should look around and find more realistic info. Reported bits aren't the end all be all. I provided links for plenty of information about other breeds in timeline popularity as well as links discussing breed misidentification, proving that your stat doesn't have a leg to stand on. You address none of that other than my analogy. So it may not be to your liking big deal I still backed my point up a thousand times better than

YOUR ONE FUCKING STAT AND ONE LINK.


so go post your link again or better yet don't do anything and just ask people to move along because bigolly gee you provided one biased stat and since you are you we should all just stop and believe. What a joke. Worst arguement with any poster I've ever had on here. At least fucking know it all's like Manny can support their claims.

[2Blonde]

Cars and guns kill people too, right?
Not autonomously.

[v2freak]

Wow, calm down. Your black man analogy was quite a generalization if I do say so myself.

As for the topic, I couldn't stand to live like that.

[BacktoBasics]

Wow, calm down. Your black man analogy was quite a generalization if I do say so myself.

As for the topic, I couldn't stand to live like that.A bland broad generalization was exactly what I was shooting for.

I also in another thread used the way Dallas reported their crime rates as a way of showing how something can be skewed.

I also followed it with the dog nip point as well to further illustrate my point. Then I backed it up with links to further information supporting my claims.

Sorry I said "black" person.

If a mexican kid steals something usually the cops get called and a report gets written but when a white kid steals its far less likely to go that far. I'm white, I've live that scenario and seen it many more times having worked with and known people who work at places like fast food joints and gas stations. Its just life sorry to break it to you guys. Some stats don't have a leg to stand on. There is biggotry and bias with all of life and especially with pit bulls because of their reputation.

I had a vet tell me one time that the problem with pit bulls are that if one dog bites three people in one day it usually amounts to three seperate reports but its highly common to see a lab bite three people in one day and written up as one total report with three seperate instances not three individual reports. Further illustrating the problem. Thats why I used the Dallas crime rate as an example. Crime sprees in Dallas were being reported as each individual crimes under seperate reports vs. one single crime spree from one person spanning a time period.

His point and his stat aren't the end all be all.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I guess the big boys only use one stat and one biased source without looking around and actually checking all immeadiate available information. Good job you arrogant know-it-all pompous asshole.

I provided you with tenfold the information you did. Just as logical and equally substantiated. Then I made a reasonable analogy pertaining to judgement based on race much like dog breed and how stats can easily be skewed.

All you do is post the same statistic from the same page and nothing more. You did nothing more than use one biased reference for your arguement. You proved nothing other than you can post the same single link over and over again and then hurl insults to more reasonable people. You come across just like one of those redundant blind bible thumpers.

Back your shit up or shut the fuck up already. You proved nothing. Find some more material and more support, not just one skewed stat on one page. Most people don't hold your stance and when I say most people I mean the people that actually do the research and provide the public with info, not to mention dog breeders and vets alike.

One lame ass post and you think you know something....fucking laughable. You're stat is a joke and well over the majority of the real info found online goes against your one stat from one website.

Maybe you should look around and find more realistic info. Reported bits aren't the end all be all. I provided links for plenty of information about other breeds in timeline popularity as well as links discussing breed misidentification, proving that your stat doesn't have a leg to stand on. You address none of that other than my analogy. So it may not be to your liking big deal I still backed my point up a thousand times better than

YOUR ONE FUCKING STAT AND ONE LINK.


so go post your link again or better yet don't do anything and just ask people to move along because bigolly gee you provided one biased stat and since you are you we should all just stop and believe. What a joke. Worst arguement with any poster I've ever had on here. At least fucking know it all's like Manny can support their claims.



If you're afraid of black people just admit it already.




Is that why you own pit bulls? For protection?

[BacktoBasics]

Good job backpeddling. At least you admit you lost the arguement by calling me a racist.

I don't have a problem with black people I have a problem with all people of all races. They act just like you do and seem to have all the fucking answers because they read or saw it somewhere. Good job backing it all up anyhow and calling me a racist certainly was the deciding factor for you winning the arguement.

I guess thats what you mean by pissing with the big boys. When all else fails and you can't win.....pull a racist card out and toss insults.

[Melmart1]

It's interesting that pit bull defenders always pull up stats about "dog bites" to defend their favorite breed.

Thing is, I don't think most people are worried about dog bite statistics. What they are worried about is the resulting injuries or fatalities of the dog bites. Cocker Spaniels may statistically bite more humans, but how many of those result in debilitating injuries, decrease the victim's quality of life, require surgery or stitches or a trip to the morgue?

From B2B's link:


and pit bulls have in fact been involved in more fatal attacks than any other dog over the past 20 years

That is all most people care about.

[E20]

In B2B's defense he was comparing the prejudices that are usually stereotyped between different types of Dogs and different types of ethnicities in human. If you didn't get that you gotta read between the lines. Yeah if a pitbull attacks and if you can actually do it, then kick the fucker in the neck. BAM That's what my brother did once. Some FUCKFACE has a gated front door garden when we lived elsewhere and he would let his pit bull roam around there and the pit bull could just hop the fence and that's what happened when me and my brother were walking our wittle cute golden retriever. Me and my golden retriever both did a pussy and hid behind my brother and started to cry/yell, I was only 9, but my brother kicked that fucking dog right in the neck and it ran off like a bitch.

[BacktoBasics]

It's interesting that pit bull defenders always pull up stats about "dog bites" to defend their favorite breed.

Thing is, I don't think most people are worried about dog bite statistics. What they are worried about is the resulting injuries or fatalities of the dog bites. Cocker Spaniels may statistically bite more humans, but how many of those result in debilitating injuries, decrease the victim's quality of life, require surgery or stitches or a trip to the morgue?

From B2B's link:



That is all most people care about.I won't disagree with that. But thats not what this assfuck was arguing.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Good job backpeddling. At least you admit you lost the arguement by calling me a racist.

I don't have a problem with black people I have a problem with all people of all races. They act just like you do and seem to have all the fucking answers because they read or saw it somewhere. Good job backing it all up anyhow and calling me a racist certainly was the deciding factor for you winning the arguement.

I guess thats what you mean by pissing with the big boys. When all else fails and you can't win.....pull a racist card out and toss insults.

I'm really not trying to win an argument. I'm just saying all pitbulls should be shot in the head.






I didn't bring up race...you're the one with the analogy comparing black men to pitbulls. Sounds like you think a black guy would kick your ass. Sounds like fear to me. I wasn't calling you a racist, I was just reading back what you wrote:


If a black man punches a white guy the cops are surely getting called. If a white dudes hits a black man either nothing happens or white dude gets his ass kicked and can't make the call.

I don't think you're a racist. I think you're a pussy.












Here's my first hand knowledge of pit bulls:

I once saw a pit bull go after a friend's little girl (their family dog), bite her face and nearly rip her ear off...this was the same dog that was sitting quietly seconds earlier. Her dad yanked the dog away...luckily...but required several stiches in his arm and hand himself from pulling the dog away. These friends got rid of the dog immediately and haven't had one since. These were folks who owned pitbulls for years before having a family and told me similar things to what you're telling me now about the breed.

One of my good friends was an EMT for many who said the worst dog-bite cases he's ever dealt with as a professional involved pit bulls and rotts. We've had a lot of conversations about his job and the situations he's been called upon to deal with and he said based upon what he's seen in the field he'd never trust a pit around his kids...his word is enough for me.

A neighbor's mixed breed collie was attacked by a stray pit (wearing a collar) in the neighbor's yard. Some of the neighbors saw this happening and couldn't get the pit off the collie because of the death grip it put on the dog's neck. They ended up killing the pit bull by literally breaking a shovel over its back. The collie was already dead but the pit still had the collie in its grip until it also died.

I actually have life's experience to back up every thought I have on a subject. I've got more on pitbulls if you want, but those stand out in my mind. I like how the person basing his beliefs on internet Google searches is the one saying I don't have life experience. Laughable.

If you want to have pit bulls around your kids then have fun with that. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm sure at one time these dogs were friendly, and there probably are a few lines left that still are, but over the last 30 years so many bloodlines have been bred for fighting that you're really taking your chances owning a pit bull. I've always owned big dogs, but I won't own a pit.

I'm fairly adament about this subject because I don't want people to get hurt.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I won't disagree with that. But thats not what this assfuck was arguing.

That's exactly what I was arguing.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

In B2B's defense he was comparing the prejudices that are usually stereotyped between different types of Dogs and different types of ethnicities in human. If you didn't get that you gotta read between the lines. Yeah if a pitbull attacks and if you can actually do it, then kick the fucker in the neck. BAM That's what my brother did once. Some FUCKFACE has a gated front door garden when we lived elsewhere and he would let his pit bull roam around there and the pit bull could just hop the fence and that's what happened when me and my brother were walking our wittle cute golden retriever. Me and my golden retriever both did a pussy and hid behind my brother and started to cry/yell, I was only 9, but my brother kicked that fucking dog right in the neck and it ran off like a bitch.

Thank God your brother was there. He definitely sounds like a badass.





I understand the comparison B2B was trying to make, but harrassing him has been so much fun. Dude ignites and I like it.

[2Blonde]

And I stand right behind EHJ on this one (just in case there is a pit bull attack).
My personal experience with pit bulls...
#1 I was in my early 20's when some guy asks me on a picnic with him and his dog. We'd been out a couple of times and he was a nice guy. We meet at the park which happened to be a large one that was full of children. He gets out of his truck and brings out his pit bull. I had never seen one before. This was over 20 years ago. Instead of getting out a leash he gets out a huge chain and proceeds to chain the job to his truck. I start laughing and ask what the big deal is. Is he afraid the dog is going to run away or chew through a leash. He told me they are just very strong dogs.

No sooner had we sat down and started our picnic then we heard a commotion. There was a group of about 3 girls playing catch about 30 yards away from where we were. I looked up and the damned pit bull was chasing after one of the girls. He was still attached to the truck and was dragging it along behind him. I was stunned!!! My friend said "Oh damn I forgot to set the parking brake!" WTF?!? He managed to calm the dog down and stop the truck. Seems this wasn't the first time. I am an avid dog lover but that one scared the heck out me. I know this guy loved his dog and treated it well and didn't abuse it but it still wanted to do what it wanted to do, and with that kind of brute strength it was too dangerous to be in public. I stopped seeing the guy shortly thereafter because I couldn't be around his dog.

#2 When my first husband and I got married we lived in a cute little home and our next door neighbors lived on the corner lot. We both had those chain link fences. They had 2 pit bulls and we had 2 labs. Their house was on the path home from the elementary school so all the kids had to walk the length of their backyard on the way home. They went absolutely wild when the kids got out of school or if we went in our back yard. We couldn't even keep our own dogs outside in our backyard. The neighbors had one dog chained to a camper shell in order to keep it from being able to get at anyone on the other side of the fence. The other dog had a chain that was attached to "3" bowling balls that had holes drilled in them for it's anchor.

We finally had to build a six foot wooden fence in order to be able to go out in to our own backyard. After we moved out one of the dogs broke free and attacked one of the school children. Once again these people loved their dogs and spent time with them. They didn't beat them or abuse them and took all the precautions they were capable of to keep them from harming anyone but pit bulls are strong, dangerous, unpredictable and determined and simply shouldn't be around people

[SRJ]

Someone please breed these things out of existence.

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

I don't see the point in posting life experiences in this thread when there's enough people on this board that would have equal amounts of good/bad times with pit bulls that they'd cancel each other out. Almost everyone in my family has a pit bull (7) and out of all of those dogs 0 have ever harmed anyone. People that make statements like "every one of these dogs should be shot in the head" are fucking retards. I suppose every arab is a terrorist if we are going to play that game

[SRJ]

I don't see the point in posting life experiences in this thread when there's enough people on this board that would have equal amounts of good/bad times with pit bulls that they'd cancel each other out. Almost everyone in my family has a pit bull (7) and out of all of those dogs 0 have ever harmed anyone. People that make statements like "every one of these dogs should be shot in the head" are fucking retards. I suppose every arab is a terrorist if we are going to play that game

So dogs never harming anybody "cancels out" maiming and killing? Okay. :rolleyes

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

So dogs never harming anybody "cancels out" maiming and killing? Okay. :rolleyes

Retard. Thats why I said there's no point in everyone reflecting on their dealings with the dogs, let the facts speak for themselves and leave it at that instead of "Well when I was 17..." do you understand now?

[SRJ]

Retard. Thats why I said there's no point in everyone reflecting on their dealings with the dogs, let the facts speak for themselves and leave it at that instead of "Well when I was 17..." do you understand now?

And my point is, the anecdotes are factual. So if you compare the anecdotal experiences, you will find that the costs of the negative experiences are far, far more costly than the benefits of the positive experiences.

Do you understand?

[2Blonde]

I don't see the point in posting life experiences in this thread...
Because I friggin' felt like it, that's why! Besides, since reality shows are all the rage these days then why not reality postings?!? :p:

[marini martini]

No fuckin' shit :toast Just don't invite us to one of your bar-b ques :madrun

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is the link I like to provide every time this discussion comes up.

http://www.atts.org/testdesc.html

American Temperament Test Society.
The American Pitbull Terrier scores higher than every breed you let your kids play with. Are some aggressive.......sure. Blame the owners for that one. Are their bites damaging.......sure. Blame the owners for that one. No single breed is inherently aggressive, it is taught by the owners. Fact.

As Backtobasics stated earlier, Pitbulls are now the "in" dog for some people who want to portray a certain thuggish image. Pitbulls are experiencing the same thing other dogs (Rottweilers, German Shepards, Doberman Pinchers, Bulldogs..etc) have faced when they became "popular" and were used as status symbols for low life fucks. These low life fucks could make any dog aggressive.

All of your "scary" experiences can be matched with "scary" experiences people have seen with other breeds. I was bitten in the face by a Chow and bitten on the leg by a Cocker Spaniel. My brother was bitten in the face by a Mastiff. I don't run around screaming kill all Mastiffs! Kill all Chows! Kill all Cocker Spaniels!

For every bad experience you've had with a Pitbull, I have a heart warming story to counter. My Pit went with me at least three times a week and hung out with developmentally disabled kids and adults at my work. She was pulled, yanked, tugged, pinched and slapped on a daily basis. She never once showed any signs of aggression. She went through rigorous testing that certified her as a therapy dog suited for these activities. Again, temperament testing statistics.

I've never been one to say Pitbulls aren't dangerous, but I'm also a believer that any dog can be dangerous. What pisses me off are some of the comments people make that generalize an entire breed.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Bite in the face by a mastiff? How does he still have a skull?

[Melmart1]

For every bad experience you've had with a Pitbull, I have a heart warming story to counter. My Pit went with me at least three times a week and hung out with developmentally disabled kids and adults at my work. She was pulled, yanked, tugged, pinched and slapped on a daily basis. She never once showed any signs of aggression. She went through rigorous testing that certified her as a therapy dog suited for these activities. Again, temperament testing statistics.


The difference is that your heartwarming experiences don't leave you scarred, hospitalized, mauled or dead. That's the point I made earlier, and that's the point most who fear or stereotype the breed are trying to make.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The difference is that your heartwarming experiences don't leave you scarred, hospitalized, mauled or dead. That's the point I made earlier, and that's the point most who fear or stereotype the breed are trying to make.My friend was jumped by a gang of mexicans and was hospitalized...............can we at least agree we should shoot all mexicans in the head?

[ALVAREZ6]

My friend was jumped by a gang of mexicans and was hospitalized...............can we at least agree we should shoot all mexicans in the head?Although the crime rate might go down slightly, white folks will have to start mowing their own lawns or moving into apartments. Is it really worth the risk of a whole new lifestyle?

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

My friend was jumped by a gang of mexicans and was hospitalized...............can we at least agree we should shoot all mexicans in the head?

Same point I trade to make to them earlier but they can't seem to follow logic.

[Spurminator]

TSA owns this discussion every time. He changed my mind, and I'm pretty stubborn most of the time.

I still get nervous if I'm walking my dog and we're approached by an unleashed bull... But I don't think we need to ban the breed so much as ruthlessly punish the owners who train them to be attack dogs.

[Mixability]

Stupid fucks breed stupid dogs.

[BacktoBasics]

Same point I trade to make to them earlier but they can't seem to follow logic.Why would narrow minded fucks ever be logical.

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

Why would narrow minded fucks ever be logical.

Because they read newspapers and go to sites for information that would never think of twisting statistics in a way bias to one side. :rolleyes

[TheSanityAnnex]

But I don't think we need to ban the breed so much as ruthlessly punish the owners who train them to be attack dogs.This is exactly how I feel. I don't know if it is even possible to determine who can and can't have a Pitbull, too many people breed them at rapid rates and sell them on the black market. Most of these attacks we here about are not pure bred American Pitbull Terriers and many of these reported attacks are not even actually anything close to a Pitbull. The American Pitbull Terrier is often confused with many different breeds, but can we really expect the media to do some honest research before reporting?