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Mr.Bottomtooth
08-06-2007, 12:18 PM
California dreamin'
Jermaine O'Neal wants trade, sees Lakers as best fit
Posted: Monday August 6, 2007 9:04AM; Updated: Monday August 6, 2007 12:57PM

LOS ANGELES -- If Jermaine O'Neal gets his wish, he will not be playing for the Indiana Pacers next season. If he gets his dream, he will be suiting up for the Los Angeles Lakers alongside Kobe Bryant.

While here Sunday for a charity basketball game hosted by Baron Davis and Paul Pierce, O'Neal said he doesn't want to be a part of a Pacers youth movement and that it would be in his and the team's best interest to part ways.

"I would welcome a trade to the Lakers," said O'Neal, who averaged 19.4 points, 9.6 rebounds and 2.6 blocked shots last season. "Indiana has given me the opportunity to establish myself as a really good player in this league, but they're into rebuilding and going really young, and I'm just not in a position physically to go through another five to six years with a lot of losses and a lot of down time."

The Lakers have tried to acquire O'Neal, 28, several times this offseason, but talks have reportedly stalled over Indiana's insistence that the Lakers' package include both Lamar Odom and 19-year-old center Andrew Bynum. The Lakers' refusal to part with Bynum, the 10th pick in the 2005 draft, cost them a chance at Jason Kidd during last year's trading deadline. The failed trade was the basis of Bryant's infamous videotaped tirade in a shopping center parking lot in which he said the Lakers should have dealt Bynum for Kidd.

"I was ready but you never know in this business," said Kidd, who was also in Los Angeles for the charity game. "Playing with Kobe makes the game easy. He's the most dominant offensive player and he's a competitor, and I love playing with guys who love to compete."

If the Lakers once again fail to deal Bynum for a proven All-Star, Kidd could be the benefactor: O'Neal said he would also welcome a move to the Nets.

"Los Angeles and New Jersey would be my top two teams," O'Neal said. "I think L.A.'s a real possibility and I think New Jersey's a possibility too."

The idea of O'Neal coming to New Jersey quickly put a smile on Kidd's face.

"I think that would be a great addition for us if we had an opportunity to get a guy like Jermaine," Kidd said. "He comes every night to play and he's a great person and a great basketball player. It would be a huge move."

If O'Neal had to choose one destination, however, it would be Los Angeles. He recently sold his home in Westwood after getting an unexpectedly good deal but said that he and his wife were already searching for a new house in Los Angeles and would love to make it a permanent residence.

"I love L.A.," O'Neal said. "I normally train here every summer. The last two summers I haven't trained here because I got hurt, but I love it here. My daughter loves it. My wife loves it. This is one of the prime places that if I were to be traded, I would allow Indiana to trade me here."

The main reason O'Neal would welcome a trade to Los Angeles has little to do with the sunshine and shopping that his wife and daughter enjoy and more to do with playing alongside Bryant, whom he entered the league with in 1996 as the only two high school players selected in that draft.

"We've spoken a couple times this offseason," O'Neal said. "Me and Kobe have been on each other since we were 15, playing AAU basketball, adidas All-American Camp, Nike All-American Camp. It's been a long relationship that we've had. We talked about maybe playing together. ... We just want to make sure that our thought processes are similar and now we're going to let the business handle itself. I mean, we could talk for years, but if [Lakers GM] Mitch Kupchak and [Pacers president] Larry Bird don't decide to make the deal, then it's all talk."

While Bryant has had little to no interaction with his teammates this offseason, he and O'Neal have found a common ground in their respective positions. Both are leading rebuilding squads in the prime of their careers without enough help around them.

"I think Kobe's in a position right now where he understands that he needs some help," O'Neal said. "He needs some help to get to the position where he wants to be. I think he's the best player in the NBA and the world, but obviously no player can do it by himself. He has a nice group around him, but he needs some help and I can give him some support. ... He wants to prove to people that he can get back to the NBA championship, and I'm at a point in my career where I want to prove to people that I can help a team get to the championship."

While some have suggested that O'Neal might not be the player he once was, he said that had more to do with injuries, including a left groin tear and a torn meniscus in his left knee, than diminished skills.

"What people don't realize when they consider my last three years to be 'down years' is that I was physically hurt," said O'Neal, who missed 82 games during that stretch. "I went out and played on knees I needed to take care of. My meniscus, I put that off for two years [before having surgery in April]. I'm 100 percent right now. I really want an opportunity to rejuvenate myself. At 28, I'm going into my prime. The game is slowing down for me, I understand it a lot more, so I'm ready to go out and show people what I could really do."

O'Neal, who admits he hasn't always seen eye-to-eye with the direction Bird has taken the team, has been in constant contact with the Pacers during the offseason. He's spent the majority of his time at home in Indiana and away from the spotlight while his name is bandied about in various trade talks.

"I've had quite a few conversations with the Pacers," he said. "I just wanted to see where the organization's focus was with the team. If they're trying to rebuild, maybe it's better to get younger pieces [in a trade] for me so they could grow with the young guys. I just told them that I can't be in a rebuilding mode right now. I can't go through that. Physically that's going to wear on me too much to do that."

After the charity game, played at USC's Galen Center, O'Neal, who didn't play, smiled and laughed as Lakers fan after Lakers fan, including Snoop Dogg, tried to persuade the five-time All-Star to come to Los Angeles. It's a plea he's heard many times before but one that especially hit home this time as he contemplated the end of his seven-year career in Indiana.

"I tried not to come out here this year. I wanted to stay away from a lot of the talk because it's an emotional time for me to talk about being traded," he said. "I get emotional talking about it because I always told Reggie [Miller] I'd win a championship for him, and for whatever reason we've had some tough times up there [in Indiana]. I thought if I came out here [to Los Angles], it would help persuade me to make the decision that I need to make. My decision is for me to get better as a player, and if things don't work out this year, I have an option in my contract next year and I will opt out and become a free agent."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/arash_markazi/08/06/oneal.trade/index.html?eref=si_nba

LakeShow
08-06-2007, 12:28 PM
Cool, Maybe now the Pacers will trade him without Lamar being included.

Mr.Bottomtooth
08-06-2007, 12:36 PM
I'm tired of Western Conference teams getting better. First Portland, then Houston, and now the Lakers? God, the Eastern Conference needs talent too.

ducks
08-06-2007, 12:44 PM
kg and allen went to boston

JamStone
08-06-2007, 12:49 PM
If the Lakers can trade for Jermaine O'Neal without giving up BOTH Odom and Bynum but just one of them, they gotta do it.

Kwame Brown's expiring contract
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Sasha Vujacic
Jordan Farmar
and a future conditional first round draft pick

for Jermaine O'Neal


That's more than what they'll get from another Western Conference team. The Nets might have a more attractive offer, but would Walsh and Bird trade him to New Jersey?

Mr.Bottomtooth
08-06-2007, 12:50 PM
3>2. And even if the trade doesn't go down, 2=2. And the west was already way stronger to begin with.

Mr.Bottomtooth
08-06-2007, 12:51 PM
If the Lakers can trade for Jermaine O'Neal without giving up BOTH Odom and Bynum but just one of them, they gotta do it.

Kwame Brown's expiring contract
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Sasha Vujacic
Jordan Farmar
and a future conditional first round draft pick

for Jermaine O'Neal


That's more than what they'll get from another Western Conference team. The Nets might have a more attractive offer, but would Walsh and Bird trade him to New Jersey?

Rumor has it that if he does go to New Jersey, it will be for Richard Jefferson and Nenad Krstic.

PacerFan
08-06-2007, 01:00 PM
What I don't quite understand is peoples perceptions that the Pacers are actively shopping Oneal and want to get rid of him. Granted they are listening to offers, but unless they get absolutely blown away, I hope the Pacers keep JO. I would hate this deal with the Lakers. I mean how good is Bynum actually going to be? I don't think in the prime of his career he will ever be as good as JO is now. Couple that with the fact that Odom has said he doesn't want to go to Indiana and this has disaster written all over it. I liked the Nets offer of Jefferson, Collins and Kristic much better. JO is an athletic big man that can score with his back to the basket and rebound, there just aren't that many players like that in the league. If the Pacers traded him for a guy that doesn't wanna be there, and a project big man that probably won't ever be as good as JO, I think they will have been ripped off.

LakeShow
08-06-2007, 01:01 PM
If the Lakers can trade for Jermaine O'Neal without giving up BOTH Odom and Bynum but just one of them, they gotta do it.

Kwame Brown's expiring contract
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook
Sasha Vujacic
Jordan Farmar
and a future conditional first round draft pick

for Jermaine O'Neal


That's more than what they'll get from another Western Conference team. The Nets might have a more attractive offer, but would Walsh and Bird trade him to New Jersey?

I would do that trade. The only one that I would have a problem including is Farmar. I would try not to trade him but if Indiana insists. So be it!

JamStone
08-06-2007, 01:05 PM
Rumor has it that if he does go to New Jersey, it will be for Richard Jefferson and Nenad Krstic.

Which is better. Jefferson is a proven player in the league, and Krstic has similar potential (maybe not as great, but not that far off) to Bynum and has actually put up decent numbers in the past.

Like I said, New Jersey might have a better offer, but are the Pacers willing to deal JO to another Eastern Conference team?

PacerFan
08-06-2007, 01:22 PM
The Pacers have no problem dealing within their divison let alone confrence. Heck, they made the Jalen Rose/ Ron Artest trade with Chicago. Also they acquired Jonathon Benders rights for Antonio Davis. When you don't even make the playoffs trading within the divison isn't a huge deal if you think it can significantly help your team.

JamStone
08-06-2007, 01:29 PM
When they were traded, were Jalen Rose or Antonio Davis as good as Jermaine O'Neal is right now? Come on. Did either of those trades make the other team appear to be not only significantly better, but give them a much better shot at being true title contenders?

You can't compare trading Jalen Rose or Antonio Davis to trading away Jermaine O'Neal.

PacerFan
08-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Sure you can. Donnie Walsh was the GM and pulled the trigger for those deals, and he is the GM who will either trade/not trade JO. I don't see how Jermaine Oneal being better than Jalen Rose makes the Pacers less likely to made a trade within the conference?

And who says the Nets with JO minus Jefferson and Kristic are title contenders? They couldn't be an above 500 team with Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. I don't think this move alone puts the Nets anywhere above 4th in the East.

ShoogarBear
08-06-2007, 02:04 PM
That's more than what they'll get from another Western Conference team. The Nets might have a more attractive offer, but would Walsh and Bird trade him to New Jersey?My question is, who on NJ could the Pacers possibly want?

Jefferson and Kristic are placeholders, they aren't anything to build a team around.

tlongII
08-06-2007, 02:19 PM
kg and allen went to boston

but Durant and Green went to Seattle.

LakeShow
08-06-2007, 02:19 PM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070806/SPORTS04/708060426/1247/SPORTS

Indiana Pacers' O'Neal pushes Lakers trade

By Mark Montieth
[email protected]

Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal wants a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, and says he will opt out of his contract after the upcoming season if he doesn't get one.

Jermaine O'Neal, who spent the final games of last season on the Pacers bench because of a knee injury, wants to be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. - Matt Kryger / Star 2007 file photo

O'Neal, speaking with a reporter for Sports Illustrated's Website, made his comments while appearing at a charity basketball game in Los Angeles.
O'Neal did not play in the game, as he continues to recover from off-season knee surgery.
"I would welcome a trade to the Lakers," O'Neal said. "Indiana has given me the opportunity to establish myself as a really good player in this league, but they're into rebuilding and going really young, and I'm just not in a position physically to go through another five to six years with a lot of losses and a lot of down time."
The Pacers and Lakers are believed to have discussed a trade involving O'Neal this summer, but have been unable to reach agreement. Various reports have claimed the Pacers are holding out for Lakers center Andrew Bynum to be included, while the Lakers have refused to do so.
O'Neal, who said he also would welcome a trade to New Jersey, will earn nearly $20 million in the upcoming season. He can opt out afterward and give up the $44 million he would be owed over the final two seasons of his contract.
He said he will do that "if things don't work out this year."

Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird issued a statement saying the team would have to get "fair market value" in a trade.

“In response to Jermaine O’Neal’s published comments today regarding a trade, we have stated repeatedly that if we can make our team better through a trade, we will do so. Jermaine has become an All-Star player with the Indiana Pacers and in any discussions regarding him or any of our other players, the expectations for the franchise and our fans is to receive fair market value in return if a trade is to be considered," Bird said.

tlongII
08-06-2007, 02:19 PM
My question is, who on NJ could the Pacers possibly want?

Jefferson and Kristic are placeholders, they aren't anything to build a team around.


Neither is Odom. Which is why Indiana wants Bynum.

LakeShow
08-06-2007, 02:31 PM
After reading that article, I hope like hell the holdup is not Bynum. I was under the impression the holdup was Odom.

JamStone
08-06-2007, 03:06 PM
Sure you can. Donnie Walsh was the GM and pulled the trigger for those deals, and he is the GM who will either trade/not trade JO. I don't see how Jermaine Oneal being better than Jalen Rose makes the Pacers less likely to made a trade within the conference?

And who says the Nets with JO minus Jefferson and Kristic are title contenders? They couldn't be an above 500 team with Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. I don't think this move alone puts the Nets anywhere above 4th in the East.


JO = low post PF/C

Kidd, VC, and RJ = not a low post PF/C

Ridiculous to think that Kidd, VC, and JO wouldn't be better than Kidd, VC, and RJ. They would be in a much better position to be title contenders with JO than with RJ. Can't see how anyone can not understand that.

spursreport
08-06-2007, 03:14 PM
Pacers are going to suck regardless of what they do so they might as well deal Jermaine. The guy isnt a franchise player/ leader. Pacers need to deal him and start to rebuild. They have too many bloated contracts full of average players. Start rebuilding and blow up that team.

PacerFan
08-06-2007, 06:28 PM
The problem is what to do with the bloated contracts. This isn't the NFL, where the team can just say goodbye and the player eats it. The Pacers are stuck with bad contracts. And whoever said the Nets trio of JO/Kidd and Carter wouldn't be better than their current one? Nobody did, don't put words in my mouth. Kidd/Carter/Oneal will not be a championship contender. Even if this trade happens Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Miami and even possibly Cleveland will still be better than the Nets. Sure, I may be wrong on a team or two here, but is anybody really going to tell me that this Oneal trade is going to make the Nets better than all these teams? Get real.

The trade with the Lakers I just can't see happening unless the Pacers get desperate and feel they need to deal JO to make something happen. The Pacers want Bynum, the Lakers don't want to give him up. The Lakers want to give up Odom, Odom has stated he would not welcome a trade to Indiana. The rest of Kobe's supporting cast doesn't get me real excited either. I don't see how this trade will work, and I hope if JO does go it isn't to LA, that just doesn't offer much in return.

SpursFanFirst
08-06-2007, 08:29 PM
I say to O'Neal..."BYE!" I'm so tired of these whiny stars!
Honestly, what has he done for this city but spend his time injured??? What makes him think he can go around making demands?
I'd say maybe the Pacers can get something good out of this, but as long as Bird is here, that won't be happening :depressed
I'm not a Pacers fan, but I would like to see them do something for this city other than embarrass us.

:soapbox: OK, I'm done now.

Reggie Miller
08-07-2007, 10:44 AM
Pacers are going to suck regardless of what they do so they might as well deal Jermaine. The guy isnt a franchise player/ leader. Pacers need to deal him and start to rebuild. They have too many bloated contracts full of average players. Start rebuilding and blow up that team.


BINGO!

By the way, Walsh has never been afraid to do deals within the EC.