Weightlifting Thread (studs only)

[NorCal510]

Alllllllllllllllright...

Here's a question:

What's the maximum times I should be weightlifting at age 15 and about an hour each workout? I usually do 3-4 times a week, with all-around workouts (no specific lowerbody/upperbody workouts).

I gained about 10lbs just this summer from just bulking up.

[atxrocker]

studs only?


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Bullshit Detector]

I gained about 10lbs just this summer from just bulking up.

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP !!!!!

[Fillmoe]

No Homo @ Studs Only

[medstudent]

I would say 3-4 times per week is about right. You shouldnt do more than that in order to let your muscles rest.

But FYI, masturbating does not = lifting weights.

[E20]

It depends........what are you looking to gain? You wanna build mass on your whole body or just certain parts?

[NorCal510]

more upper body than lower

[marini martini]

I would say 3-4 times per week is about right. You shouldnt do more than that in order to let your muscles rest.

But FYI, masturbating does not = lifting weights.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

[E20]

I'd say:

Monday: Bench press, Shoulder Press, Lateral Pull downs. Do these 3-4 sets of 6-10 reps each and alternate the weight. Ex. Bench: 3 sets of 165 6 times then on your last set go down to 145 to do it 8-10 reps. On the side do a light routine for your biceps and triceps. 2-3 sets of 6-10 reps.

Tuesday: Same as above except switch it around go hard on biceps and triceps and go light for chest, shoulders, and back.

Wensday: If you have the machines then do leg extensions 3 sets of 6 reps on heavy weight, then one last rep of light weight 12 times. Do leg curls 3 sets of 8. If you want you can Squat, but only if you have the equipment and have a spotter. Also, if you once again if you have access to the eqiupment do leg presses 3 sets of 7, safer than squats. Calf raises -- depends on how much you can do, if you're new to it then do 3 sets of 30-40. Jump rope or run as well. If you don't have the machines for your quadriceps you can lean on a wall and bend your knees to a 90 degree postion and just hold that postion. Do it as long as you can and do 3 sets. For hamstrings lie on the floor put the back of your feet on a high surface so your knees are 90 degrees and use your lower back/ass to pull yourself up, it's sort of like an ass-up and it works the hamstring out. Do like 3 sets of 30. You can do calf raises anywhere.

Thursday: Repeat Monday

Friday: Repeat Tuesday.

Saturday and Sunday are your rest days, don't do shit.

Also after every workout do like 4 sets of pushups and lots of situps/leg raises.

-Drink lots of water
-Drink 4-6 glasses of milk a day, preferably whole milk.
-Intake lots of protiens (Eggs, Milk, Fish, Chicken, Beef, Potatoes, Veggies, whatever)

Take this:
http://www.gnc.com/sm-gnc-pro-performance-weight-gainer-1850-french-vanilla--pi-2133628.html

If taken with Whole Milk it will give you over 2000 calories in one serving.

The end.

[E20]

Yeah, but as always consult your physician before engaging in any type of weight lifting regimine or workout and do whatever works for you.

[kris]

Alllllllllllllllright...

Here's a question:

What's the maximum times I should be weightlifting at age 15 and about an hour each workout? I usually do 3-4 times a week, with all-around workouts (no specific lowerbody/upperbody workouts).

I gained about 10lbs just this summer from just bulking up.


Just make sure you tear your muscles up good, give them lots of protein, nutriets, and 3 days rest in between and your good to go for that muscle group(s). You can work out every day of the week if you keep that mentality.

I wouldn't break out the heavy lifting yet if your 15. I knew some really strong guys in middle school that didn't grow much taller in high school.

Yeah they could bench 250-280 at 16 years old, but they ended up below average height. They probably shorted themselves 1-3 inches.

At 15, I think you should workout as many days as you want to and stick to building exlposiveness - not bulk strength.

[Spurminator]

Make sure you put at least 600 lbs on each side and have your spotters (parents?) get the bar directly over your head before you lower it.

[Bigzax]

:lol

[NorCal510]

I'd say:

Monday: Bench press, Shoulder Press, Lateral Pull downs. Do these 3-4 sets of 6-10 reps each and alternate the weight. Ex. Bench: 3 sets of 165 6 times then on your last set go down to 145 to do it 8-10 reps. On the side do a light routine for your biceps and triceps. 2-3 sets of 6-10 reps.

Tuesday: Same as above except switch it around go hard on biceps and triceps and go light for chest, shoulders, and back.

Wensday: If you have the machines then do leg extensions 3 sets of 6 reps on heavy weight, then one last rep of light weight 12 times. Do leg curls 3 sets of 8. If you want you can Squat, but only if you have the equipment and have a spotter. Also, if you once again if you have access to the eqiupment do leg presses 3 sets of 7, safer than squats. Calf raises -- depends on how much you can do, if you're new to it then do 3 sets of 30-40. Jump rope or run as well. If you don't have the machines for your quadriceps you can lean on a wall and bend your knees to a 90 degree postion and just hold that postion. Do it as long as you can and do 3 sets. For hamstrings lie on the floor put the back of your feet on a high surface so your knees are 90 degrees and use your lower back/ass to pull yourself up, it's sort of like an ass-up and it works the hamstring out. Do like 3 sets of 30. You can do calf raises anywhere.

Thursday: Repeat Monday

Friday: Repeat Tuesday.

Saturday and Sunday are your rest days, don't do shit.

Also after every workout do like 4 sets of pushups and lots of situps/leg raises.

-Drink lots of water
-Drink 4-6 glasses of milk a day, preferably whole milk.
-Intake lots of protiens (Eggs, Milk, Fish, Chicken, Beef, Potatoes, Veggies, whatever)

Take this:
http://www.gnc.com/sm-gnc-pro-performance-weight-gainer-1850-french-vanilla--pi-2133628.html

If taken with Whole Milk it will give you over 2000 calories in one serving.

The end.
5 days a week... kinda too much for me... and don't have the time.

I take this http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2607050&cp&sr=1&origkw=pro+nos&kw=pro+nos&parentPage=search

and some kind of carb or calorie shake

^only on workout days though

[Bigzax]

kris is a bulldog. no homo. listen to his advice fo sho! :tu

[E20]

Take a look at this perspective, most people in our range 15-20, spend around 2 hours or more watching TV, staring at a computer screen, with a playstation, porn, on the phone, or listening to music. Instead of doing that take that 2 hours and listen to music while working out.


5 days a week... kinda too much for me... and don't have the time.

I take this http://www.gnc.com/product/index.js...rentPage=search

and some kind of carb or calorie shake

^only on workout days though
No offense, but my shake has 148% of Protien and 118% of Carbs, while yours only has 84% and 5%.........weak.

I gained 20 lbs in less than 3 months with that diet.

[E20]

Just make sure you tear your muscles up good, give them lots of protein, nutriets, and 3 days rest in between and your good to go for that muscle group(s). You can work out every day of the week if you keep that mentality.

I wouldn't break out the heavy lifting yet if your 15. I knew some really strong guys in middle school that didn't grow much taller in high school.

Yeah they could bench 250-280 at 16 years old, but they ended up below average height. They probably shorted themselves 1-3 inches.

At 15, I think you should workout as many days as you want to and stick to building exlposiveness - not bulk strength.
Norcal says he is 6 feet, he is already above average height, but yeah he still could gain lots of inches. I hindered my growth because I lifted weights with bad form in the 7th grade.

[Zombie]

Norcal says he is 6 feet, he is already above average height, but yeah he still could gain lots of inches. I hindered my growth because I lifted weights with bad form in the 7th grade.
Why say in the 7th grade? Say Last year!

[Julian]

supplements are for pussies

[E20]

What are some of your favorite exercises for traps? in terms of gaining the most mass/size
Upright rows with free weights and shoulder presses with dumbells.

[Kanye]

1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and get them sit ups right in tuck your tummy tight in. Do your crunches like this. Give head, stop breath, get up check your weave. Don't drop the blunt or disrespect the weed. Pick up your son or disrespect your seed. It's a party tonight and ohhh shes so excited. "Tell me who's invited". You, your friends and my dick.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

supplements are for pussies

Wash your mouth out, young man!

E20 - why do a reduced weight on the 3rd rep? I know that's what people are doing these days, but can you tell me why? I work out and do 3 sets of 8-10 at the same weight, although I'm not trying to build bulk.

Also, if Norcal is 15, how can he drive?

[Avitus1]

Just weight lift whatever you'll know its working when you can barley move your arms, then you are a man.

[ShoogarBear]

No offense, but my shake has 148% of Protien and 118% of Carbs, while yours only has 84% and 5%.........weak.Shake smack???


I gained 20 lbs in less than 3 months with that diet.Now that doesn't sound especially healthy. Hope you don't get diabetes when you get older.

[BUMP]

-You should never work the same body part two days in a row.

-at your age you should probably lift no more than 5 days a week

-if your going for power, warm up light, then increase rapidly until you can only get about 2-3 reps.

-if your trying to tone your muscles, (which is what I do, cause im already pretty big) you only work out one part a day but do a crap load of lifts

Biceps
-hammer curls (free weights)
-regular curls on the bar
-super 21's
-Lat pull downs

Triceps
-Pull downs with both arms (machine, and go light but go very slow)
-Pull downs with alternating arms
-do the thing where you go behind your head and pull up(free weights)
-close grip bench press (light weight)
-skull crushers

Chest
-Bench
-Incline
-Bench again, except lighter weight
-cable cross
-some machine where you rest your forearms and then move them in
-dumbell bench

Shoulder/Traps
-Military
-Military (free weights)
-free rows
-Lat pull downs
-shoulder shrugs

those are just some examples. its hard to tell someone "how to workout," there's no easy definition. Im not really sure what to tell you when it comes to diet cause i never took supplements.

also, after you do lower body be sure to get a cardio workout too, unless you want your legs to get really big, but then you'll probly get really slow

[peewee's lovechild]

studs only!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol :lol :lol

studs only????

Norcal's looking for a few studs in here!!

:lol :lol :lol

[leemajors]

triangle pushups and pushups done as slow as you can are good.

[lebomb]

I lift weights approx. 3 times a week......used to go 4-5 until my kids have things to do now.

Also, I have never taken any type of protein shake.......I think they are dangerous to your metabolism. I believe once you start taking supplements, you really cant stop. Once you do.....I believe you will gain a whole lotta weight. Every friend Ive had that has taken supplements and slowed down on working out gained much weight. I recommend controlling your weight and muscle gain with a proper balanced diet and working out.

THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION

[ALVAREZ6]

-You should never work the same body part two days in a row.
I used to think that, but since I started benching 2 days in a row, I've only gotten stronger. Especially for bench, lifting 2 days in a row is tough, it tears the fuck out of your chest, but whatever, it gets you stronger if you can lift through it. Biceps have always been easy for me to do 2 days in a row, they seem to never get tired, I do so many fucking sets.

Right not I'm not really lifting to often, after football season I'll probably start lifting hardcore.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Alot of people do a reduced weight on the 3rd set becasue the rep to failure on that one.
Ex: they may do 2 sets of 15 reps at 25lbs, then for the 3rd set they do 15lbs - but no set rteps.. just continue for as many as they can do. especially for peeps who do specific body groups per workout.
I've also seen it worked into a rounds type workout... but unless you are super hardcore that can be incredibly exhausting.

[Thunder Dan]

Alllllllllllllllright...

Here's a question:

What's the maximum times I should be weightlifting at age 15 and about an hour each workout? I usually do 3-4 times a week, with all-around workouts (no specific lowerbody/upperbody workouts).

I gained about 10lbs just this summer from just bulking up.

you should focus just on one area each time you go, and do it once every 5-7 days. You give your body more time to rest, which is when you build muscle. When your lifting all your doing is tearing apart your muscles slowly and during rest they rebuild. Most of the times they take protiens in your body and build to be bigger, but if your looking for mass you should allow your body to rest longer. Basically lifting with your whole body every day is just spinning your wheels. This is what I used to be on when I lifted, and I put on about 25 pounds and was pretty ripped for my stature (I was 6'0 165 and went to 6'0 190)


Monday: Chest and Triceps
Tuesday: Cardio and Abs
Wen: Biceps/Forearms
Thurs: Cardio
Friday: Back and Shoulders
Saturday: Cardio
Sunday: legs

For my cardio I would just run for a couple miles. But Cardio is very important when your trying to build muscle becuase it allows blood to flow freely to parts of your body that needs oxygen. But definitly organize your schedule so you can make the most of the time in the gym. You can switch things up to trick your body's schedule too.

Also, if your looking for size you should do reps of 3-5x. I just wanted a very tone body so I would do reps of 7-9x and one final rep where I would max out my body. What I would do would say I was benching 200, I would do that 7 times, then I would reduce the weight to 140 pounds and pump out as many as I could very quickly. I was able to tone up my body while still putting on some decent size.

[CavsSuperFan]

NorCal-It sounds like you are already well informed...I would only add to stay with the lighter weights, employ more repetitions & try to stretch your muscles at the same time...

If you feel good lifting 4x’s per week that is great...When I was a teenager I was extremely skinny & could only lift 3x's per week...

[Flo-Rida]

I'd say:

Monday: Bench press, Shoulder Press, Lateral Pull downs. Do these 3-4 sets of 6-10 reps each and alternate the weight. Ex. Bench: 3 sets of 165 6 times then on your last set go down to 145 to do it 8-10 reps. On the side do a light routine for your biceps and triceps. 2-3 sets of 6-10 reps.

Tuesday: Same as above except switch it around go hard on biceps and triceps and go light for chest, shoulders, and back.

Wensday: If you have the machines then do leg extensions 3 sets of 6 reps on heavy weight, then one last rep of light weight 12 times. Do leg curls 3 sets of 8. If you want you can Squat, but only if you have the equipment and have a spotter. Also, if you once again if you have access to the eqiupment do leg presses 3 sets of 7, safer than squats. Calf raises -- depends on how much you can do, if you're new to it then do 3 sets of 30-40. Jump rope or run as well. If you don't have the machines for your quadriceps you can lean on a wall and bend your knees to a 90 degree postion and just hold that postion. Do it as long as you can and do 3 sets. For hamstrings lie on the floor put the back of your feet on a high surface so your knees are 90 degrees and use your lower back/ass to pull yourself up, it's sort of like an ass-up and it works the hamstring out. Do like 3 sets of 30. You can do calf raises anywhere.

Thursday: Repeat Monday

Friday: Repeat Tuesday.

Saturday and Sunday are your rest days, don't do shit.

Also after every workout do like 4 sets of pushups and lots of situps/leg raises.

-Drink lots of water
-Drink 4-6 glasses of milk a day, preferably whole milk.
-Intake lots of protiens (Eggs, Milk, Fish, Chicken, Beef, Potatoes, Veggies, whatever)
Take this:
http://www.gnc.com/sm-gnc-pro-performance-weight-gainer-1850-french-vanilla--pi-2133628.html

If taken with Whole Milk it will give you over 2000 calories in one serving.

The end.
well said thats about the same thing i do

[medstudent]

I lift weights approx. 3 times a week......used to go 4-5 until my kids have things to do now.

Also, I have never taken any type of protein shake.......I think they are dangerous to your metabolism. I believe once you start taking supplements, you really cant stop. Once you do.....I believe you will gain a whole lotta weight. Every friend Ive had that has taken supplements and slowed down on working out gained much weight. I recommend controlling your weight and muscle gain with a proper balanced diet and working out.

THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION

Norcal protein supplements aren't harmful. Your body can only absorb so much protein and then it starts storing them as fat. So if you slow down on your workouts but keep taking supplements you are going to gain fat. But that shouldnt be surprising because anytime you eat more than you burn you will gain adipose.

[E20]

Wash your mouth out, young man!

E20 - why do a reduced weight on the 3rd rep? I know that's what people are doing these days, but can you tell me why? I work out and do 3 sets of 8-10 at the same weight, although I'm not trying to build bulk.

Also, if Norcal is 15, how can he drive?
I read in a manual that your muscle fibers(fast twitch and slow twitch) will be working harder when suddenly they are exposed to different weight, even if lighter, and on that last set you go for the burn feeling until you know if you do one more you won't be able to finish it. It is kind of has a defintion/endurance/strength touch to it rather than size/mass.

I think the reason Norcal can drive is because he has a permit that lets him drive only with someone that is 25 years or older and sincehe is 15 he has to have that permit for a certain number of months before he can apply for a license.

I used to be afraid of working out the same body part, but after I read several body builder and weight lifting magazines, those mofo's over work there muscle groups more than anything I've or people I know have done. I mean they do like 20 sets of biceps in one day and do it again the next day, but what I read was in the long run doing the same set of muscle groups like 2-3 days in a row will help.

[Flo-Rida]

triangle pushups and pushups done as slow as you can are good.
I remember they introduced me to that in football the first time i did it it kicked my ass

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Thx Obiwan and E20, think I'll modify my sets.

[NorCal510]

I have done most of the things said in this thread.

Except the hardcore dieting, the only stuff I'm dedicated to is protein/carb shakes... which tastes like shit.

And E20, the protein shake I use is one of the best-selling. I asked the GMC guy which was the best for weightlifting/performance, he recommended me that one. I also take a carb shake to even out that part of nutrients.

I used to weigh like 145 like a year and a half ago. I now stand at 180ish.

[kris]

I used to think that, but since I started benching 2 days in a row, I've only gotten stronger. Especially for bench, lifting 2 days in a row is tough, it tears the fuck out of your chest, but whatever, it gets you stronger if you can lift through it. Biceps have always been easy for me to do 2 days in a row, they seem to never get tired, I do so many fucking sets.

Right not I'm not really lifting to often, after football season I'll probably start lifting hardcore.

Stupid.

[kris]

I have done most of the things said in this thread.

Except the hardcore dieting, the only stuff I'm dedicated to is protein/carb shakes... which tastes like shit.

And E20, the protein shake I use is one of the best-selling. I asked the GMC guy which was the best for weightlifting/performance, he recommended me that one. I also take a carb shake to even out that part of nutrients.

I used to weigh like 145 like a year and a half ago. I now stand at 180ish.

You're body can only absorb about 35 grams of protein per hour anyway so anymore than that is a waste of money and you're drinking the protein shake for the fun of it.

Drink a regular protein shake after you workout with a simple starch. I've read ice cream is really good right after.

[kris]

I read in a manual that your muscle fibers(fast twitch and slow twitch) will be working harder when suddenly they are exposed to different weight, even if lighter, and on that last set you go for the burn feeling until you know if you do one more you won't be able to finish it. It is kind of has a defintion/endurance/strength touch to it rather than size/mass.

I think the reason Norcal can drive is because he has a permit that lets him drive only with someone that is 25 years or older and sincehe is 15 he has to have that permit for a certain number of months before he can apply for a license.

I used to be afraid of working out the same body part, but after I read several body builder and weight lifting magazines, those mofo's over work there muscle groups more than anything I've or people I know have done. I mean they do like 20 sets of biceps in one day and do it again the next day, but what I read was in the long run doing the same set of muscle groups like 2-3 days in a row will help.


What works in the long run is you completely exhaust a muscle group and give it the proper nutrition and rest so it can rebuild.

There is some leeway if you can figure out how fast you recover.

What you're doing when you work the same muscle over and over is you're just tearing what's already torn.

[kris]

Alot of people do a reduced weight on the 3rd set becasue the rep to failure on that one.
Ex: they may do 2 sets of 15 reps at 25lbs, then for the 3rd set they do 15lbs - but no set rteps.. just continue for as many as they can do. especially for peeps who do specific body groups per workout.
I've also seen it worked into a rounds type workout... but unless you are super hardcore that can be incredibly exhausting.

- To OZ style

If you're on a program where you are trying to complete 3 x 12 same weight for each, and you're failing to finish the 3rd, don't lower the weight. Do a pause set. When you can't do anymore reps without compromising form. Rack the weight, stop, pause, and and then finish the set off.

I prefer to do this when working out and I saw it in Mens Health as an alternative to the above suggestion. It's better for you psyche too. You want to meet weights head on. If you have yourself pegged as a weight, you don't want to back off it. You might seep into a thing where every time a second set gets difficult, you start lowering the weight.

I only lower weight after my 1st or 2nd rep, when I know there's no way I can reach that amount of weight on that day.

[kris]

I lift weights approx. 3 times a week......used to go 4-5 until my kids have things to do now.

Also, I have never taken any type of protein shake.......I think they are dangerous to your metabolism. I believe once you start taking supplements, you really cant stop. Once you do.....I believe you will gain a whole lotta weight. Every friend Ive had that has taken supplements and slowed down on working out gained much weight. I recommend controlling your weight and muscle gain with a proper balanced diet and working out.

THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION

1 - Why can't you just not take them?

2 - If you start working out and gain a lot of muscle then stop working out - supplements or not - you'll gain weight.

3 - What kind of supplements? I do think some are dangerous, but I don't have much behind that. The ones that have all the mega muscle mass and dna strands on the label, I don't even look at. The only thing I've ever taken was Optimum Nutrition protein shake and flaxseed. After that, I just try to get nutrients from food.

[BigBeezie]

Lifting weights won't do crap for you if you do not eat properly. At 15 you should be able to eat anything you want....but I would definitely consider a high protein low carb routine. At least take your carbs in earlier in the day and protein throughout the day. Studies are showing that a high protein diet is also a lot more conducive to being energetic. If you are very skinny and just want to gain weight, then eat a peanut butter sandwich with every meal...maybe two. You will gain about 5 to 10 pounds per month.

[E20]

Kris, if working out the same muscle group two days in a row is stupid, then why do pro body builders work out the same muscle groups like 5 days in a row? I've done the samething and I've gotten better results than working my biceps 3 sets of 7 one every week. I know people who work out 5 days a week and they're working the same body parts/around those same body parts those 5 days.

As far as gaining weight goes, theres more to it besides protien, protien will build lean muscle mass, but if you're not intaking a larger amount calories/carbs it won't give you the weight you are looking for.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL E20 the lil playa is gonna be like Notorious B.I.G. if he stops working out at the age of 21.


The worst thing about all those who go for straight up mass is that you're gonna have to work out harder and harder as life goes on just to keep that weight as muthle.

Retarded if you ask me.

I lift weights for fun, to clear my mind, to work off stress, and also to get stronger. I think it's cool to bench something 10 times you once struggled with. But to eat like a big fat slob + work out means that once you stop working out you'll be a big fat slob.

[E20's Biceps]

You never want to question E20 when it comes to lifting weights, I should know I am his biceps.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It's true though. Even by the age of 20, to 25ish, your baseline metabolism slows and slows.

So if you eat like a fat pig, work out like a beast, sure, you'll be cut as a motherfucker, but slack off on that workout routine once, maybe twice, cuz you're tired from working a 9 to 5, and the fat piles on mad fast. I've seen it. You'll have to end up working harder and harder just to make sure that weight doesn't turn to mush.

Or you can always run like a mofo and eliminate the fat but that's more boring and strenuous than lifting weights imo.

[E20]

Wow, first comes E20's Instructor troll, now the E20's Biceps troll. I feel honored to have 2 trolls named after me. I like this troll better than E20's instructor though.

[nickbroken]

Go here. (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2281631)

[kris]

Kris, if working out the same muscle group two days in a row is stupid, then why do pro body builders work out the same muscle groups like 5 days in a row? I've done the samething and I've gotten better results than working my biceps 3 sets of 7 one every week. I know people who work out 5 days a week and they're working the same body parts/around those same body parts those 5 days.

As far as gaining weight goes, theres more to it besides protien, protien will build lean muscle mass, but if you're not intaking a larger amount calories/carbs it won't give you the weight you are looking for.


Are you talking about the guys that have 1/2 inch veins on the muscle mag covers? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I just want to clarify.

[TDMVPDPOY]

workin on your flacid = does not mean weight lifting...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Kris - thx.

Can't be faded nailed it.

If those really are E20's biceps (nice troll, BTW), the boy don't need to get bigger.

[BUMP]

the picture in E20's Biceps is a guy who's flexing his triceps :lol

[E20]

Are you talking about the guys that have 1/2 inch veins on the muscle mag covers? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I just want to clarify.
Well not just him........the body building magazines I read give workout routines and by your standards all those routines would be overworking, because they have numerous sets that work out the same area, and it's usually done in consecutive days.


the picture in E20's Biceps is a guy who's flexing his triceps
Haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love, I don't even want none of the above, I just want to........piss on you.
http://www.chappelletheory.com/img/rkelly.jpg

...................:lmao

[tlongII]

I have not lifted much in the last 5 weeks. I am running in the Hood to Coast relay in 2 weeks and have been training for it. The less bulk I have, the better as this thing is probably going to kill me!

[NorCal510]

Kris, if working out the same muscle group two days in a row is stupid, then why do pro body builders work out the same muscle groups like 5 days in a row? I've done the samething and I've gotten better results than working my biceps 3 sets of 7 one every week. I know people who work out 5 days a week and they're working the same body parts/around those same body parts those 5 days.

As far as gaining weight goes, theres more to it besides protien, protien will build lean muscle mass, but if you're not intaking a larger amount calories/carbs it won't give you the weight you are looking for.
they take creatine, they are stupid. they are messing with their hormones and their number one goal is to win lifting comps, whether messing with their body or not. they will pay in the future. don't do what they do.

[ALVAREZ6]

Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.

[NorCal510]

Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.
you will pay for it later on. when you are 50, you will get arthiritis

[E20]

they take creatine, they are stupid. they are messing with their hormones and their number one goal is to win lifting comps, whether messing with their body or not. they will pay in the future. don't do what they do.
They don't take creatine, they take stuff I can't even dream about. Still, Creatine isn't bad for you if you know what to do with it.

[NorCal510]

They don't take creatine, they take stuff I can't even dream about. Still, Creatine isn't bad for you if you know what to do with it.
creatine is bad for you... do you use it?

no wonder you biceps are big, no homo. it's like a mini steroid with less effects. :nope

[kris]

Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.

Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.

:fishing

[leemajors]

Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.
quoth the average vitamin S user as well.

[NorCal510]

kris > alvarez

on weightlifting knowledge

[E20]

creatine is bad for you... do you use it?

no wonder you biceps are big, no homo. it's like a mini steroid with less effects. :nope
I used to for like two weeks, but I've taken something worse though........

Creatine is naturally found in all animal's. It's something naturally made to aid in the process of ATP, so you can't say it's a foreign/harmful substance. When taken the right way Creatine can be helpful.


Why does everybody always say no homo, are you guys calling me a homo or not a a homo? :lol

[ggoose25]

Creatine isn't bad for you at all. E20 is right. It is not a hormone, and it can't give you arthritis. Well, maybe it can indirectly, but thats through gaining weight and placing stress on your joints.

[E20]

Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.

:fishing
How old are you? I'm just wondering/curious, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

[NorCal510]

when you say "no homo" it acts as a cancellation if you say something that might sound a little gay. i think it started from the black community, which is why fillmoe always says it.

[kris]

How old are you? I'm just wondering/curious, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

I'm 26.

[kris]

Creatine isn't bad for you at all. E20 is right. It is not a hormone, and it can't give you arthritis. Well, maybe it can indirectly, but thats through gaining weight and placing stress on your joints.


Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.

Protein powder isn't great either, but I've heard of lots more against creatine.

It works for sure, but I wouldn't touch it.

[E20]

Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.

Protein powder isn't great either, but I've heard of lots more against creatine.

It works for sure, but I wouldn't touch it.
Everything (Supplements) is bad for your kidney's. I haven't seen any case study that shows that creatine is worse on your kidney's than protien powder. The only reason I stopped using creatine was because people kept on saying:

Creatine just makes your muscles look big, in reality you're weak, but big looking/ Creatine is like steroids so you're cheating.

[Fillmoe]

Why does everybody always say no homo, are you guys calling me a homo or not a a homo? :lol


http://youtube.com/watch?v=47yAFOmP1y8

[E20]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=47yAFOmP1y8
:lol

In the begining of the video he was playing God of War II, that's the game I'm currently playing right now. :lol

[ggoose25]

Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.



Link?? There are tons of studies that have been done that absolve creatine from deteriorating renal function. Creatinine levels in the blood are used to monitor kidney function, but just because you take the supplement doesn't mean your kidneys don't work well.

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J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2004 Dec;44(4):411-6. R

Is the use of oral creatine supplementation safe?

Bizzarini E, De Angelis L.

School of Sports Medicine, University of Trieste, Trieste, Italy.

This review focuses on the potential side effects caused by oral creatine supplementation on gastrointestinal, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, renal and liver functions. No strong evidence linking creatine supplementation to deterioration of these functions has been found. In fact, most reports on side effects, such as muscle cramping, gastrointestinal symptoms, changes in renal and hepatic laboratory values, remain anecdotal because the case studies do not represent well-controlled trials, so no causal relationship between creatine supplementation and these side-effects has yet been established. The only documented side effect is an increase in body mass. Furthermore, a possibly unexpected outcome related to creatine monohydrate ingestion is the amount of contaminants present that may be generated during the industrial production. Recently, controlled studies made to integrate the existing knowledge based on anecdotal reports on the side effects of creatine have indicated that, in healthy subjects, oral supplementation with creatine, even with long-term dosage, may be considered an effective and safe ergogenic aid. However, athletes should be educated as to proper dosing or to take creatine under medical supervision.


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J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(1):1-7.

Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function.

Yoshizumi WM, Tsourounis C.

Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA., USA.

Creatine is a popular supplement used by athletes in an effort to increase muscle performance. The purpose of this review was to assess the literature evaluating the effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. A PubMed search was conducted to identify relevant articles using the keywords, creatine, supplementation, supplements, renal dysfunction, ergogenic aid and renal function. Twelve pertinent articles and case reports were identified. According to the existing literature, creatine supplementation appears safe when used by healthy adults at the recommended loading (20 gm/day for five days) and maintenance doses (</=3 gm/day). In people with a history of renal disease or those taking nephrotoxic medications, creatine may be associated with an increased risk of renal dysfunction. One case report of acute renal failure was reported in a 20-year-old man taking 20 gm/day of creatine for a period of four weeks. There are few trials investigating the long-term use of creatine supplementation in doses exceeding 10 gm/day. Furthermore, the safety of creatine in children and adolescents has not been established. Since creatine supplementation may increase creatinine levels, it may act as a false indicator of renal dysfunction. Future studies should include renal function markers other than serum creatinine and creatinine clearance.


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Int J Sports Med. 2005 May;26(4):307-13.

Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a placebo-controlled trial.

Groeneveld GJ, Beijer C, Veldink JH, Kalmijn S, Wokke JH, van den Berg LH.

Department of Neurology, University Medical Centre Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Although oral creatine supplementation is very popular among athletes, no prospective placebo-controlled studies on the adverse effects of long-term supplementation have yet been conducted. We performed a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of creatine monohydrate in patients with the neurodegenerative disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, because of the neuroprotective effects it was shown to have in animal experiments. The purpose of this paper is to compare the adverse effects, and to describe the effects on indirect markers of renal function of long-term creatine supplementation. 175 subjects (age = 57.7 +/- 11.1 y) were randomly assigned to receive creatine monohydrate 10 g daily or placebo during an average period of 310 days. After one month, two months and from then on every fourth month, adverse effects were scored using dichotomous questionnaires, plasma urea concentrations were measured, and urinary creatine and albumin concentrations were determined. No significant differences in the occurrence at any time of adverse effects due to creatine supplementation were found (23 % nausea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group, 19 % gastro-intestinal discomfort in the creatine group, vs. 18 % in the placebo group, 35 % diarrhoea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group). After two months of treatment, edematous limbs were seen more often in subjects using creatine, probably due to water retention. Severe diarrhoea (n = 2) and severe nausea (n = 1) caused 3 subjects in the creatine group to stop intake of creatine, after which these adverse effects subsided. Long-term supplementation of creatine did not lead to an increase of plasma urea levels (5.69 +/- 1.47 before treatment vs. 5.26 +/- 1.44 at the end of treatment) or to a higher prevalence of micro-albuminuria (5.4 % before treatment vs. 1.8 % at the end of treatment).


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I can keep going....

[ggoose25]

Creatine just makes your muscles look big, in reality you're weak, but big looking/ Creatine is like steroids so you're cheating.

True.

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Mil Med. 2007 Mar;172(3):312-7. Related Articles, Links

The effect and safety of short-term creatine supplementation on performance of push-ups.

Armentano MJ, Brenner AK, Hedman TL, Solomon ZT, Chavez J, Kemper GB, Salzberg D, Battafarano DF, Christie DS.

Physical Therapy Department, Chinle Comprehensive Health Care Facility, Chinle, AZ 86503, USA.

The effects of short-term oral creatine (Cr) supplementation on exercise performance and on blood pressure and renal function were assessed. Thirty-five healthy, active duty, U.S. Army volunteers (20 men and 15 women; age, 22-36 years) at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, supplemented their diet for 7 days with 20 g/day of either Cr or taurine (as placebo). There was no significant difference in 2-minute push-up counts between the Cr and taurine groups from before to after supplementation (p = 0.437; power = 0.98). The Cr group demonstrated a significant increase in serum creatinine levels (p < 0.001), compared with the taurine group, and this increase could be misinterpreted as impairment of renal function. No adverse changes in blood pressure, body composition, weight, or serum Cr phosphokinase levels were observed. We conclude that short-term Cr supplementation appears to be safe but does not enhance push-up performance.

[E20]

True.

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Mil Med. 2007 Mar;172(3):312-7. Related Articles, Links

The effect and safety of short-term creatine supplementation on performance of push-ups.

Armentano MJ, Brenner AK, Hedman TL, Solomon ZT, Chavez J, Kemper GB, Salzberg D, Battafarano DF, Christie DS.

Physical Therapy Department, Chinle Comprehensive Health Care Facility, Chinle, AZ 86503, USA.

The effects of short-term oral creatine (Cr) supplementation on exercise performance and on blood pressure and renal function were assessed. Thirty-five healthy, active duty, U.S. Army volunteers (20 men and 15 women; age, 22-36 years) at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, supplemented their diet for 7 days with 20 g/day of either Cr or taurine (as placebo). There was no significant difference in 2-minute push-up counts between the Cr and taurine groups from before to after supplementation (p = 0.437; power = 0.98). The Cr group demonstrated a significant increase in serum creatinine levels (p < 0.001), compared with the taurine group, and this increase could be misinterpreted as impairment of renal function. No adverse changes in blood pressure, body composition, weight, or serum Cr phosphokinase levels were observed. We conclude that short-term Cr supplementation appears to be safe but does not enhance push-up performance.

I guess it had more to do with my pysche, but while I was on creatine I noticed a significant increase in my bench press.

[kris]

You got me there. All i know is the places I read where they said it was bad for you.


Link?? There are tons of studies that have been done that absolve creatine from deteriorating renal function. Creatinine levels in the blood are used to monitor kidney function, but just because you take the supplement doesn't mean your kidneys don't work well.

----------------------------------
J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2004 Dec;44(4):411-6. R

Is the use of oral creatine supplementation safe?

Bizzarini E, De Angelis L.

School of Sports Medicine, University of Trieste, Trieste, Italy.

This review focuses on the potential side effects caused by oral creatine supplementation on gastrointestinal, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, renal and liver functions. No strong evidence linking creatine supplementation to deterioration of these functions has been found. In fact, most reports on side effects, such as muscle cramping, gastrointestinal symptoms, changes in renal and hepatic laboratory values, remain anecdotal because the case studies do not represent well-controlled trials, so no causal relationship between creatine supplementation and these side-effects has yet been established. The only documented side effect is an increase in body mass. Furthermore, a possibly unexpected outcome related to creatine monohydrate ingestion is the amount of contaminants present that may be generated during the industrial production. Recently, controlled studies made to integrate the existing knowledge based on anecdotal reports on the side effects of creatine have indicated that, in healthy subjects, oral supplementation with creatine, even with long-term dosage, may be considered an effective and safe ergogenic aid. However, athletes should be educated as to proper dosing or to take creatine under medical supervision.


----------------------

J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(1):1-7.

Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function.

Yoshizumi WM, Tsourounis C.

Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA., USA.

Creatine is a popular supplement used by athletes in an effort to increase muscle performance. The purpose of this review was to assess the literature evaluating the effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. A PubMed search was conducted to identify relevant articles using the keywords, creatine, supplementation, supplements, renal dysfunction, ergogenic aid and renal function. Twelve pertinent articles and case reports were identified. According to the existing literature, creatine supplementation appears safe when used by healthy adults at the recommended loading (20 gm/day for five days) and maintenance doses (</=3 gm/day). In people with a history of renal disease or those taking nephrotoxic medications, creatine may be associated with an increased risk of renal dysfunction. One case report of acute renal failure was reported in a 20-year-old man taking 20 gm/day of creatine for a period of four weeks. There are few trials investigating the long-term use of creatine supplementation in doses exceeding 10 gm/day. Furthermore, the safety of creatine in children and adolescents has not been established. Since creatine supplementation may increase creatinine levels, it may act as a false indicator of renal dysfunction. Future studies should include renal function markers other than serum creatinine and creatinine clearance.


-----------------------

Int J Sports Med. 2005 May;26(4):307-13.

Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a placebo-controlled trial.

Groeneveld GJ, Beijer C, Veldink JH, Kalmijn S, Wokke JH, van den Berg LH.

Department of Neurology, University Medical Centre Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Although oral creatine supplementation is very popular among athletes, no prospective placebo-controlled studies on the adverse effects of long-term supplementation have yet been conducted. We performed a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of creatine monohydrate in patients with the neurodegenerative disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, because of the neuroprotective effects it was shown to have in animal experiments. The purpose of this paper is to compare the adverse effects, and to describe the effects on indirect markers of renal function of long-term creatine supplementation. 175 subjects (age = 57.7 +/- 11.1 y) were randomly assigned to receive creatine monohydrate 10 g daily or placebo during an average period of 310 days. After one month, two months and from then on every fourth month, adverse effects were scored using dichotomous questionnaires, plasma urea concentrations were measured, and urinary creatine and albumin concentrations were determined. No significant differences in the occurrence at any time of adverse effects due to creatine supplementation were found (23 % nausea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group, 19 % gastro-intestinal discomfort in the creatine group, vs. 18 % in the placebo group, 35 % diarrhoea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group). After two months of treatment, edematous limbs were seen more often in subjects using creatine, probably due to water retention. Severe diarrhoea (n = 2) and severe nausea (n = 1) caused 3 subjects in the creatine group to stop intake of creatine, after which these adverse effects subsided. Long-term supplementation of creatine did not lead to an increase of plasma urea levels (5.69 +/- 1.47 before treatment vs. 5.26 +/- 1.44 at the end of treatment) or to a higher prevalence of micro-albuminuria (5.4 % before treatment vs. 1.8 % at the end of treatment).


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I can keep going....

[NorCal510]

those links are 2004 numbnut.

go get something recent, and they say nothing has been proven YET.

[ALVAREZ6]

Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.

:fishingWell I haven't been lifting seriously for too many years considering I'm 17, but at those reps I can do 40 lb dumbells (which isn't bad for weighing 150) and I have been able to for a while. I'm sure I could eventually go up to 65.


But yeah you got me pretty good.

[ALVAREZ6]

NorCal, BTW, you are the biggest idiot on ST.

[johngateswhiteley]

more upper body than lower

why?

[ALVAREZ6]

you will pay for it later on. when you are 50, you will get arthiritis:wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf

[johngateswhiteley]

Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.

:fishing

whats the point of curling that much?

[E20]

whats the point of curling that much?
I don't know if he's like me, but I wanna become SUPER DUPER STRONG. Plus, if you ever get in a fight having strength wouldn't hurt. I'm not getting REALLY BIG though, just strong, you know like Bruce Lee, he was strong and could curl like 70 pounds on one arm, but wasn't bulky.

[johngateswhiteley]

i don't think creatine even works, you'd be surprised how many supplements people use that aren't doing anything for them. i think a majority of the results you get on supplements are due to people working out with more intensity and consistency.

next time any of you want a certain supplement grab a cup, write the name of the supplement on it, fill it with water, and convince yourself its that supplement...you'll probably achieve the same results.

[johngateswhiteley]

I don't know if he's like me, but I wanna become SUPER DUPER STRONG. Plus, if you ever get in a fight having strength wouldn't hurt. I'm not getting REALLY BIG though, just strong, you know like Bruce Lee, he was strong and could curl like 70 pounds on one arm, but wasn't bulky.

...but curls won't help you in a fight, and they don't really factor when one is talking about becoming super strong.

[johngateswhiteley]

...this thread is amazing (not in a good way).

[E20]

...but curls won't help you in a fight, and they don't really factor when one is talking about becoming super strong.
What are you talking about? Curling builds forearm/bicep strength and endurance. When you are in a fight grabbing a hold or trying to break free, you rely a lot on forearm and bicep strength.

Dude and you dont' even know what you are talking about there are hundreds of case studies that pit Supplemental use vs placebo use and people thought they were taking a certain supplement worked out, but didn't improve in terms of strength/mass/defenition compared to the people actively taking supplements. Pick another subject, because you dont' know what your talking about. Getting stronger/bigger/more defined has more to do with the right nutrition than just lifting weights, no matter how hard you lift you'll stay the same size if you eating the same way you always do.

And what would you define as being strong? I'm talking about overall body strength. Curling just happens to be one of those exercises that help in the process.

[NorCal510]

why?
i think the average weight lifter does more upper body than lower body

70% of my gym is upper body equipment, 30% lower body... (bally's)

[NorCal510]

NorCal, BTW, you are the biggest idiot on ST.
I thought we were on a truce :madrun

[NorCal510]

:wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf
No joke, I had an appointment with my doctor for something unimportant, and i asked him if creatine was okay to take just to prove to you guys that it's gonna fuck you up. he said the protein powder is okay, more protein isn't bad. he then said he wouldn't take creatine... and to be "careful" when taking it, as in it's not GOOD for you.

[johngateswhiteley]

i think the average weight lifter does more upper body than lower body

70% of my gym is upper body equipment, 30% lower body... (bally's)

b/c the majority of people that workout at those places aren't athletes. they just want to look and feel good....with chicken legs. but hey, there's nothing wrong with that....

...if you want to be a better athlete, stick to the power lifts such as:

1. snatch
2. power clean
3. overhead squat
4. clean & jerk
5. muscle snatches
6. push jerks

and to prevent upper body injury and even out the body, i'd perform some dumbbell movements. just my 2 cents....do whatever you want.

[johngateswhiteley]

What are you talking about? Curling builds forearm/bicep strength and endurance. When you are in a fight grabbing a hold or trying to break free, you rely a lot on forearm and bicep strength.

Dude and you dont' even know what you are talking about there are hundreds of case studies that pit Supplemental use vs placebo use and people thought they were taking a certain supplement worked out, but didn't improve in terms of strength/mass/defenition compared to the people actively taking supplements. Pick another subject, because you dont' know what your talking about. Getting stronger/bigger/more defined has more to do with the right nutrition than just lifting weights, no matter how hard you lift you'll stay the same size if you eating the same way you always do.

And what would you define as being strong? I'm talking about overall body strength. Curling just happens to be one of those exercises that help in the process.

do whatever you want bro, but biceps aren't going to help you in a fight. you don't have to know much about weightlifting and nutrition to achieve results, consistency is the most important factor....just a thought.

[NorCal510]

b/c the majority of people that workout at those places aren't athletes. they just want to look and feel good....with chicken legs. but hey, there's nothing wrong with that....

...if you want to be a better athlete, stick to the power lifts such as:

1. snatch
2. power clean
3. overhead squat
4. clean & jerk
5. muscle snatches
6. push jerks

and to prevent upper body injury and even out the body, i'd perform some dumbbell movements. just my 2 cents....do whatever you want.
my upperbody is proportional to my lowerbody. before i started to lift, i had big legs and a skinny chest. now it's about even.

i don't just weightlift. i do cardio also. i'm not a douche.

[E20]

b/c the majority of people that workout at those places aren't athletes. they just want to look and feel good....with chicken legs. but hey, there's nothing wrong with that....

...if you want to be a better football player, stick to the power lifts such as:

1. snatch
2. power clean
3. overhead squat
4. clean & jerk
5. muscle snatches
6. push jerks

and to prevent upper body injury and even out the body, i'd perform some dumbbell movements. just my 2 cents....do whatever you want.
Fixed.

[johngateswhiteley]

Fixed.

....thats besides the point, those lifts will help any athlete in any sport. anyway, i play a real sport.....rugby. one needs to focus on functional strength.

[johngateswhiteley]

my upperbody is proportional to my lowerbody. before i started to lift, i had big legs and a skinny chest. now it's about even.

so what. you should be working your lower body and core more than anything else. consider yourself lucky.

[leemajors]

e20 is gonna get kicked in the nuts while he's thinking about how his biceps will win him a fight.

[ggoose25]

those links are 2004 numbnut.

go get something recent, and they say nothing has been proven YET.

Are you really that fucking dumb?

Why would they do any more studies on the same thing if multiple ones have all shown the same result?

They have to say that to back their asses if some kid eats a jar one night and then says, "well, you said it was safe."

If you take creatine as directed, and you are in good health, you will be fine.

Just cause you are scurred to take supplements doesn't mean that some aren't safe.

[leemajors]

Why would they do any more studies on the same thing if multiple ones have all shown the same result?
i think you've just eliminated 98% of the scientific research community.

[johngateswhiteley]

E20-
...just to be clear, i am not attacking you. most people need to find what works for them and makes them happy. seems like you are already on top of that. good luck to you!

[E20]

e20 is gonna get kicked in the nuts while he's thinking about how his biceps will win him a fight.
Dude, if you're on the ground and the guy is behind you and has you in a headlock or holding you into submission there's not many muscle groups that can help you except your forearms and biceps. I don't see your chest, traps, or triceps helping you that much. Even a punch is fueled by the strength of your forearm. It starts out with your shoulders and triceps and then ends with your forearm adding more power to your fist. Also, if you guys are in a clinch forearm/bicep strength comes in to play as well.

[E20]

E20-
...just to be clear, i am not attacking you. most people need to find what works for them and makes them happy. seems like you are already on top of that. good luck to you!
Sorry, but I get offended easily for some reason when it comes to shit like this. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

JohnGates - Why don't you answer my PM? Are you playing in the $250 fantasy football league this season? If not, please let me know so I can fill your spot. Thanks.

Pardon the interruption, you all can go back to pretending you are studs now :)

[johngateswhiteley]

Dude, if you're on the ground and the guy is behind you and has you in a headlock or holding you into submission there's not many muscle groups that can help you except your forearms and biceps. I don't see your chest, traps, or triceps helping you that much. Even a punch is fueled by the strength of your forearm. It starts out with your shoulders and triceps and then ends with your forearm adding more power to your fist. Also, if you guys are in a clinch forearm/bicep strength comes in to play as well.

a person generates punching power from their legs, core, some tricep, and the angle of their arm/elbow relative to their body. bone alignment and composition also comes into play.

[johngateswhiteley]

JohnGates - Why don't you answer my PM? Are you playing in the $250 fantasy football league this season? If not, please let me know so I can fill your spot. Thanks.

Pardon the interruption, you all can go back to pretending you are studs now :)

oops, my bad Kori. i forgot.

[nickbroken]

NorCal, just pick up a book called "Starting strength" it's by Mark Ripptoe, it's a good book for what you are looking for, squats, dead lifts, OH press, bench, power cleans, all ya need. :P

[leemajors]

Dude, if you're on the ground and the guy is behind you and has you in a headlock or holding you into submission there's not many muscle groups that can help you except your forearms and biceps. I don't see your chest, traps, or triceps helping you that much. Even a punch is fueled by the strength of your forearm. It starts out with your shoulders and triceps and then ends with your forearm adding more power to your fist. Also, if you guys are in a clinch forearm/bicep strength comes in to play as well.
i would take a wild guess and say most fights are more about cheap shots, and who hits who first. most get broken up well before a submission hold.

[johngateswhiteley]

i would take a wild guess and say most fights are more about cheap shots, and who hits who first. most get broken up well before a submission hold.

lol.

[E20]

a person generates punching power from their legs, core, some tricep, and the angle of their arm/elbow relative to their body. bone alignment and composition also comes into play.
Stand up and jab right now and tell me what muscle in the end is being exerted/used, I'll tell you right now, your forearm/shoulder. Thanks.

Legs/Hips/Roation do come into play. When you mention alignment and angles your putting the physics of it into play and I ain't no adept at that.

People who want to increase their punching power often do clap pushups or throw-up bench presses and that works out your forearms.

Bicep strength will help you in a fight, when it gets down and dirty, because a fight isn't going to be straight up jabs.

[E20]

i would take a wild guess and say most fights are more about cheap shots, and who hits who first. most get broken up well before a submission hold.
I've never been in a cheap fight. We're usually on the ground trying to land a punch or a knee. I'm not talking about fights that can be broken up, I'm talking like MMA.

[E20]

And I don't even know what the hell I'm arguing here. It's a waste of time to argue how people should work out or fight, let alone where punching power comes from, because everybody has there own method that works, so I'm wasting my time.

And in all honesty the only real thing that matters is that I'd PWN you guys in a street fight. :LMAO

[nickbroken]

And I don't even know what the hell I'm arguing here. It's a waste of time
And in all honesty the only real thing that matters is that I'd PWN you guys in a street fight. :LMAO

I'd pwn you at street fighter. :smokin

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'd pwn you at street fighter. :smokin

rising demon ftw!!!

[E20]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic when I said that, hence the LMAO at the end.


I bet I'm still gonna get flamed, whatever.

[leemajors]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic when I said that, hence the LMAO at the end.


I bet I'm still gonna get flamed, whatever.
i doubt it, but i was gonna say something about an MMA fight breaking out in the street. :lol

[NorCal510]

I weigh in at 182lbs @ 6'1

Not bad.

[JoeChalupa]

You are a stud.

[ALVAREZ6]

No joke, I had an appointment with my doctor for something unimportant, and i asked him if creatine was okay to take just to prove to you guys that it's gonna fuck you up. he said the protein powder is okay, more protein isn't bad. he then said he wouldn't take creatine... and to be "careful" when taking it, as in it's not GOOD for you.When did I say I use creatine?

You were telling me I was gonna get arthritis because I sometimes bench two days in a row?

[NorCal510]

When did I say I use creatine?

You were telling me I was gonna get arthritis because I sometimes bench two days in a row?
oh, forget what I said then.

but still, lifting 2 days in a row isn't healthy.

[ALVAREZ6]

oh, forget what I said then.

but still, lifting 2 days in a row isn't healthy.Why the fuck not? Because you don't do it?


Whatever your body can take is what's healthy.

[JoeChalupa]

I lifted a lot when I was in the military.
I did upper body, legs, upper body, rest.. repeat and change it up from time to time.
I did "push" upper body movements one day and "pull" upper body movements the next time, if that makes sense.
Other gjuys warned me about the b**** tits later one but I was one lifting mofo.

[NorCal510]

Why the fuck not? Because you don't do it?


Whatever your body can take is what's healthy.
you're ignorant

[jman3000]

182? from what i remember from pictures you dont look a pound over 150.

I consider myself a pretty big guy and there's no way I'm only 18 more pounds than you.

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm ignorant

[TDMVPDPOY]

e20
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3919/08podborka49rm7.jpg

[ggoose25]

e20
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3919/08podborka49rm7.jpg

:lmao

[NorCal510]

182? from what i remember from pictures you dont look a pound over 150.

I consider myself a pretty big guy and there's no way I'm only 18 more pounds than you.
Those pics were before I got serious in weightlifting. Plus, I'm all muscle... big pounds baby. 6'1 also gives me some extra weight.

[NorCal510]

e20
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3919/08podborka49rm7.jpg
:lol

[E20]

I think you mean:
http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/5d/images.art.com/images/-/Arnold-Schwarzenegger---Conan-the-Barbarian--C10040954.jpeg

[E20]

Pardon the interruption, you all can go back to pretending you are studs now :)

And I don't pretend. I am. You even know this yourself.

[ALVAREZ6]

Norcal you just took those pics like 2 months ago...WTF are you talking about.

[NorCal510]

No actually those pics were like Jan-March.

I got my gym membership the first of march. haven't missed a beat.

[ALVAREZ6]

What a stud

[mavs>spurs2]

I just sort of skimmed through, but I saw something about lifting the same muscle group 2 days in a row. If you are really pushing yourselft to your limits, you won't be able to lift 2 days in a row. When you lift weights, what you're actually doing is tearing your muscles down and building them back bigger. Without 24 hours to rebuild, you are just tearing them down over and over without giving them a chance to rebuild bigger and stronger. This way you won't get the same results and even worse you are risking injury. And trust me, tearing a muscle is the last thing you ever want to do.

[E20]

I just sort of skimmed through, but I saw something about lifting the same muscle group 2 days in a row. If you are really pushing yourselft to your limits, you won't be able to lift 2 days in a row. When you lift weights, what you're actually doing is tearing your muscles down and building them back bigger. Without 24 hours to rebuild, you are just tearing them down over and over without giving them a chance to rebuild bigger and stronger. This way you won't get the same results and even worse you are risking injury. And trust me, tearing a muscle is the last thing you ever want to do.
It takes at least 48 hours for a muscle group to fully heal. The only time I don't work out the same muscle groups two days in a row is when I'm really sore.

[kris]

whats the point of curling that much?

to be a hardass. i can admit right now that i enjoy owning a gym with just a membership. nothing like the guy next to me thinking he's a badass picking up 50's and then i go ahead and 3 up him at 65.

i'm 239 right now so it's not as cool as when i was doing it as 205 because i look like a stout/chubby guy and people can just say oh he's fat.

and does it help you in a fight - no not really, but overall strength will, and its not like i only do curls. its just my favorite exercise because its my strongest asset. biceps are one of the smallest muscle groups you have but toned, big arms help.

but other than that the point is only only when you lift something.

ever had to move furniture or pick up something heavy? curls help.

does bench press help in basketball? no, not in particular. but when somebody asks me how much do i bench, i don't want to say 150.

am i super vein?

of course.

[ALVAREZ6]

to be a hardass. i can admit right now that i enjoy owning a gym with just a membership. nothing like the guy next to me thinking he's a badass picking up 50's and then i go ahead and 3 up him at 65.

i'm 239 right now so it's not as cool as when i was doing it as 205 because i look like a stout/chubby guy and people can just say oh he's fat.

and does it help you in a fight - no not really, but overall strength will, and its not like i only do curls. its just my favorite exercise because its my strongest asset. biceps are one of the smallest muscle groups you have but toned, big arms help.

but other than that the point is only only when you lift something.

ever had to move furniture or pick up something heavy? curls help.

does bench press help in basketball? no, not in particular. but when somebody asks me how much do i bench, i don't want to say 150.

am i super vein?

of course.And you were trying to own me by saying you curl 65 dumbells...but you weigh 240. Big fuckin deal.


Bicep and tricep workouts have always been my favorite workouts, since I started lifting 3 years ago. Why? Well, I'm not particularly sure, but I think it's because they are the easiest for me.

In general, biceps are easier to bulk and tone up...they simply don't take the same energy as benching or squating. I've always been a strictly arms guy, shoulder, biceps, triceps, simply because they were cake compared to chest shit. I can do so many sets of biceps, and not be too sore in my biceps (and believe me I work hard, I'm not talking about toning workouts), but when it comes to chest, it's just harder to keep going. You get sore faster.

This past year I concentrated more on my chest and benching, even though I used to hate it. Now I just enjoy any upper body lifting. But benching definitely is harder than curling, and that's probably why you're better/enjoy curling more. It's how I first liked it more.

[kris]

And you were trying to own me by saying you curl 65 dumbells...but you weigh 240. Big fuckin deal.

Bicep and tricep workouts have always been my favorite workouts, since I started lifting 3 years ago. Why? Well, I'm not particularly sure, but I think it's because they are the easiest for me.

In general, biceps are easier to bulk and tone up...they simply don't take the same energy as benching or squating. I've always been a strictly arms guy, shoulder, biceps, triceps, simply because they were cake compared to chest shit. This past year I concentrated more on my chest and benching, even though I used to hate it. Now I just enjoy any upper body lifting. But benching definitely is harder than curling, and that's probably why you're better/enjoy curling more. It's how I first liked it more.

I'm not really big on owning people, that's you guys thing. I'm older than you and I've got a lot of experience on you so you probably can get to that if you want to. But I made the mistake of lifting back to back days when I was younger and it didn't help me. I just enjoy curling more because I can curl more weight and I get more pumped up from it. Good luck on your weight lifting.

[johngateswhiteley]

to be a hardass. i can admit right now that i enjoy owning a gym with just a membership. nothing like the guy next to me thinking he's a badass picking up 50's and then i go ahead and 3 up him at 65.

i'm 239 right now so it's not as cool as when i was doing it as 205 because i look like a stout/chubby guy and people can just say oh he's fat.

and does it help you in a fight - no not really, but overall strength will, and its not like i only do curls. its just my favorite exercise because its my strongest asset. biceps are one of the smallest muscle groups you have but toned, big arms help.

but other than that the point is only only when you lift something.

ever had to move furniture or pick up something heavy? curls help.

does bench press help in basketball? no, not in particular. but when somebody asks me how much do i bench, i don't want to say 150.

am i super vein?

of course.

hilarious. i don't think biceps help with anything athletically or in any real fight, so we agree. but they do balance out the arms and i think most girls tend to like them...reason enough for some of you i suppose. while i do some bicep work, about once a week, it does nothing for me in rugby....so i could care less. and no offense kris, but i might laugh at you in the gym. especially, if you came up next to me and started curling the 65s...good on you.

[conversekid]

I read in a manual that your muscle fibers(fast twitch and slow twitch) will be working harder when suddenly they are exposed to different weight, even if lighter, and on that last set you go for the burn feeling until you know if you do one more you won't be able to finish it. It is kind of has a defintion/endurance/strength touch to it rather than size/mass.

I think the reason Norcal can drive is because he has a permit that lets him drive only with someone that is 25 years or older and sincehe is 15 he has to have that permit for a certain number of months before he can apply for a license.

I used to be afraid of working out the same body part, but after I read several body builder and weight lifting magazines, those mofo's over work there muscle groups more than anything I've or people I know have done. I mean they do like 20 sets of biceps in one day and do it again the next day, but what I read was in the long run doing the same set of muscle groups like 2-3 days in a row will help.

But they're also taking dec --- recovery time 1000x one not on juice.

[conversekid]

they take creatine, they are stupid. they are messing with their hormones and their number one goal is to win lifting comps, whether messing with their body or not. they will pay in the future. don't do what they do.

Norcal --- provide one scientific report showing creatine is harmful? There are over 200 scientific researchs showing otherwise (Most from universities). Saying creatine is harmful is ignorant.

[conversekid]

Creatine doesn't just "make you look big" and it doesn't kill you. Gain some knowledge before you regurgitate crap you hear from your skinny ass friends that want an excuse for being limp.

Creatine

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/gastelu8.htm

[conversekid]

No joke, I had an appointment with my doctor for something unimportant, and i asked him if creatine was okay to take just to prove to you guys that it's gonna fuck you up. he said the protein powder is okay, more protein isn't bad. he then said he wouldn't take creatine... and to be "careful" when taking it, as in it's not GOOD for you.

Exactly. Shows that most medical professionals are clueless when it comes to this area. Saying protein powders are ok, but stay away from creatine? If you're taking protein powders, then your protein intake is probably high, thus you're at risk from excess nitrogen, urea (a toxic substance), and ketones. Which is one of the many reasons if you're lifting and have a high protein intake, you should be slamming mass water. Because water flushes out toxins and other metabolic waste products from the body. Let the doctor cure your cold; let the scientists handle the bodybuilding arena.

[conversekid]

And I don't even know what the hell I'm arguing here. It's a waste of time to argue how people should work out or fight, let alone where punching power comes from, because everybody has there own method that works, so I'm wasting my time.

And in all honesty the only real thing that matters is that I'd PWN you guys in a street fight. :LMAO

ahhh grasshopper. in wingchun, punching power comes from speed... generated from lats, shoulders, and traps. the bicep is never engaged, as it would only slow the punch. opposite muscles working against each other. :)

[ALVAREZ6]

ahhh grasshopper. in wingchun, punching power comes from speed... generated from lats, shoulders, and traps. the bicep is never engaged, as it would only slow the punch. opposite muscles working against each other. :)Possibly, but having big arms/biceps probably adds more force/weight to push through the dude's face.

[conversekid]

true alvarez... being strong is rarely a disadvantage during a confrontation. :)

[ALVAREZ6]

true alvarez... being strong is rarely a disadvantage during a confrontation. :)What I'm saying is biceps aren't completely useless...they are easy to bulk up and add weight to your arms. And generally the fighters known for "heavy hands" also have heavy arms.

[Steve Irwin]

lol @ conversekid.

the new stud in town.

[conversekid]

I just like to throw my opionated ass around here and there and then vanish :)

I just hate hearing people speak ignorantly about this subject. I don't know much about nothin, that's why I mostly just read on the forum... but this topic is up my alley :toast

I've been bugging cosmiccowboy about his sonic jalapeno burgers since 2000 and trying to get him on a healthy diet... he's too busy being rich ;)

[ALVAREZ6]

lol @ conversekid.

the new stud in town.how were the studs in Hawaii?

[Steve Irwin]

how were the studs in Hawaii?
fair share of big ass samoan buff ass motherfuckers... just like the bay area.

[The sone]

hey man...ive been into this stuff for about 16 yrs now. just pm me if you want serious advice...its not how BIG you are...its all about the grace...:P

[Shelly]

Quick question...

How much does an easy-curl bar usually weigh? 25 pounds?