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Nbadan
08-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Maybe not...but the oil-Co's, including Cheney's Halliburton, would love to get their hands on Iran's southern oil fields....


Cheney urging military strikes on Iran
By Warren P. Strobel, John Walcott and Nancy A. Youssef | McClatchy News


WASHINGTON — President Bush charged Thursday that Iran continues to arm and train insurgents who are killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and he threatened action if that continues.

At a news conference Thursday, Bush said Iran had been warned of unspecified consequences if it continued its alleged support for anti-American forces in Iraq. U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker had conveyed the warning in meetings with his Iranian counterpart in Baghdad, the president said.

Bush wasn't specific, and a State Department official refused to elaborate on the warning.

Behind the scenes, however, the president's top aides have been engaged in an intensive internal debate over how to respond to Iran's support for Shiite Muslim groups in Iraq and its nuclear program. Vice President Dick Cheney several weeks ago proposed launching airstrikes at suspected training camps in Iraq run by the Quds force, a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to two U.S. officials who are involved in Iran policy.

The debate has been accompanied by a growing drumbeat of allegations about Iranian meddling in Iraq from U.S. military officers, administration officials and administration allies outside government and in the news media. It isn't clear whether the media campaign is intended to build support for limited military action against Iran, to pressure the Iranians to curb their support for Shiite groups in Iraq or both.

Nor is it clear from the evidence the administration has presented whether Iran, which has long-standing ties to several Iraqi Shiite groups, including the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al Sadr and the Badr Organization, which is allied with the U.S.-backed government of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, is a major cause of the anti-American and sectarian violence in Iraq or merely one of many. At other times, administration officials have blamed the Sunni Muslim group al Qaida in Iraq for much of the violence.

For now, however, the president appears to have settled on a policy of stepped-up military operations in Iraq aimed at the suspected Iranian networks there, combined with direct American-Iranian talks in Baghdad to try to persuade Tehran to halt its alleged meddling.

The U.S. military launched one such raid Wednesday in Baghdad's predominantly Shiite Sadr City district.

But so far that course has failed to halt what American military officials say is a flow of sophisticated roadside bombs, known as explosively formed penetrators, into Iraq. Last month they accounted for a third of the combat deaths among U.S.-led forces, according to the military.

Cheney, who's long been skeptical of diplomacy with Iran, argued for military action if hard new evidence emerges of Iran's complicity in supporting anti-American forces in Iraq; for example, catching a truckload of fighters or weapons crossing into Iraq from Iran, one official said.

The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk publicly about internal government deliberations.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice opposes this idea, the officials said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has stated publicly that "we think we can handle this inside the borders of Iraq."

Lea Anne McBride, a Cheney spokeswoman, said only that "the vice president is right where the president is" on Iran policy.

Bush left no doubt at his news conference that he intended to get tough with Iran.

"One of the main reasons that I asked Ambassador Crocker to meet with Iranians inside Iraq was to send the message that there will be consequences for . . . people transporting, delivering EFPs, highly sophisticated IEDs (improvised explosive devices), that kill Americans in Iraq," he said.

He also appeared to call on the Iranian people to change their government.

"My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government," he said. "You don't have to be isolated. You don't have to be in a position where you can't realize your full economic potential."

The Bush administration has launched what appears to be a coordinated campaign to pin more of Iraq's security troubles on Iran.

Last week, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 U.S. military commander in Iraq, said Shiite militiamen had launched 73 percent of the attacks that had killed or wounded American troops in July. U.S. officials think that majority Shiite Iran is providing militiamen with EFPs, which pierce armored vehicles and explode once inside.

Last month, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, a multinational force spokesman, said members of the Quds force had helped plan a January attack in the holy Shiite city of Karbala, which lead to the deaths of five American soldiers. Bergner said the military had evidence that some of the attackers had trained at Quds camps near Tehran.

Bush's efforts to pressure Iran are complicated by the fact that the leaders of U.S.-supported governments in Iraq and Afghanistan have a more nuanced view of their neighbor.

Maliki is on a three-day visit to Tehran, during which he was photographed Wednesday hand in hand with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Unconfirmed media reports said Maliki had told Iranian officials they'd played a constructive role in the region.

Asked about that, Bush said he hadn't been briefed on the meeting. "Now if the signal is that Iran is constructive, I will have to have a heart-to-heart with my friend the prime minister, because I don't believe they are constructive. I don't think he in his heart of hearts thinks they're constructive either," he said.

Bush and Afghan President Hamid Karzai differed on Iran's role when they met last weekend, with Karzai saying in a TV interview that Iran was "a helper" and Bush challenging that view.

The toughening U.S. position on Iran puts Karzai and Iraqi leaders such as Maliki in a difficult spot between Iran, their longtime ally, and the United States, which is spending lives and treasure to secure their newly formed government.

A senior Iraqi official in Baghdad said the Iraqi government received regular intelligence briefings from the United States about suspected Iranian activities. He refused to discuss details, but said the American position worried him.

The United States is "becoming more focused on Iranian influence inside Iraq," said the official, who requested anonymity to discuss private talks with the Americans. "And we don't want Iraq to become a zone of conflict between Iran and the U.S."

Proposals to use force against Iran over its actions in Iraq mark a new phase in the Bush administration's long internal war over Iran policy.

Until now, some hawks within the administration — including Cheney — are said to have favored military strikes to stop Iran from furthering its suspected ambitions for nuclear weapons.

Rice has championed a diplomatic strategy, but that, too, has failed to deter Iran so far.

Patrick Clawson, an Iran specialist at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said a strike on the Quds camps in Iran could make the nuclear diplomacy more difficult.

Before launching such a strike, "We better be prepared to go public with very detailed and very convincing intelligence," Clawson said.

McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/18834.html)

Would be hurry up and impeach already? Cheney is dangerous....

Yonivore
08-10-2007, 09:58 AM
Meanwhile, back in reality, The Government of Iran is killing Americans in Iraq.

Bill Roggio (http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/08/us_iraqi_forces_kill.php) has more details on the targets of the American assault on Sadr city. It was aimed squarely at an Iranian Qods-backed bombing cell. "A joint Iraqi and US force conducted a raid inside Sadr City on Wednesday, killing 30 members of the Iranian-backed Special Groups cells and capturing 12."


The strike force was targeting a "cell of a Special Groups terrorist network known for facilitating the transport of weapons and explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, from Iran to Iraq, as well as bringing militants from Iraq into Iran for terrorist training," according to the Multinational Forces Iraq press release.

"The targeted individual in last night’s raid acts as a proxy between the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force and the Iraqi EFP network," and "assists with the facilitation of weapons and EFP shipments into Iraq as well as the transfer of militant extremists to Iran for training."
Bill Roggio says the latest attack is part of a wider campaign to roll up the Iranian networks operating in Iraq.


The raid in Baghdad was driven by intelligence gained over the past several months. Multinational Forces Iraq stated that today's raid is the latest in "a series of coordinated operations efforts that began with the raid in al Amarah in June." The June operation in Amarah targeted the Qazali Network, which is now referred to as being part of the Special Groups network, along with the Sheibani Network and elements of the rogue Mahdi Army. Over 20 members of the Qazali network were killed, six wounded, and one captured in the Amarah raid.

Oh, Gee!!
08-10-2007, 10:21 AM
if by "democracy" Cheney means "blow 'em up," then he's probably being "truthy."

George Gervin's Afro
08-10-2007, 10:35 AM
Meanwhile, back in reality, The Government of Iran is killing Americans in Iraq.

Bill Roggio (http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/08/us_iraqi_forces_kill.php) has more details on the targets of the American assault on Sadr city. It was aimed squarely at an Iranian Qods-backed bombing cell. "A joint Iraqi and US force conducted a raid inside Sadr City on Wednesday, killing 30 members of the Iranian-backed Special Groups cells and capturing 12."


Bill Roggio says the latest attack is part of a wider campaign to roll up the Iranian networks operating in Iraq.


can someone tell me who in t he Bill Roggio is?

Yonivore
08-10-2007, 10:36 AM
can someone tell me who in t he Bill Roggio is?
He's in the same business as Warren P. Strobel, John Walcott and Nancy A. Youssef.

Yonivore
08-10-2007, 11:38 AM
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From The New York Times: U.S. says Iran-supplied bomb is killing more troops in Iraq (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6570794?source=rss).


Attacks on U.S.-led forces using a lethal type of roadside bomb said to be supplied by Iran reached a new high in July, according to the U.S. military.

The devices, known as explosively formed penetrators, were used to carry out 99 attacks last month and accounted for a third of the combat deaths suffered by U.S.-led forces, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 commander in Iraq, said in an interview.

Such bombs, which fire a semi-molten copper slug that can penetrate the armor on a Humvee and are among the deadliest weapons used against U.S. forces, are used almost exclusively by Shiite militants. U.S. intelligence officials have presented evidence that the weapons come from Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, although Iran has repeatedly denied providing lethal assistance to Iraqi groups.

In recent weeks, the U.S. military has focused on mounting operations in sanctuaries used by Al-Qaida in Iraq, a Sunni group that is predominantly made up of Iraqis but which has foreign leadership. But, as the information provided by Odierno shows, Shiite militias remain a major worry. ...

According to Odierno, who serves as the day-to-day commander of U.S. troops in Iraq, 73 percent of the attacks that killed or wounded U.S. troops in Baghdad in July were carried out by Shiite militants. ...

Of the 79 U.S. troops killed in July, the lowest toll in months, 23 died as a result of attacks with the devices, according to data supplied by Odierno's command.

"July was an all-time high," said Odierno, referring to strikes with such devices.

Penetrator attacks have been a worry for years. In 2005, the United States sent a private diplomatic protest to Tehran complaining that Iran's Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah had been training Iraqi Shiite insurgents in Iran and providing them with bomb-making equipment.

According to U.S. military data, penetrator attacks accounted for 18 percent of combat deaths of Americans and allied troops in Iraq in the last quarter of 2006.
From FOX News: Captured Video Shows Iraqi Insurgents Firing Sophisticated Iranian-Made Rockets at U.S. Positions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292513,00.html).


Dramatic video produced by Iraqi insurgents and captured in a raid earlier this week by U.S. troops clearly shows a battery of sophisticated Iranian-made rocket launchers firing on American positions east of Baghdad, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

The video, captured during a raid on Monday by the 3rd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment in northeast Nahrawan, shows insurgents setting up and carrying out an attack on Sunday, as well as an attack on July 11 that killed one soldier and wounded 15 others, officials said. The raid last month appeared to involve 34 launchers firing 107 mm Iranian-made rockets.
Below is a list of stories [but, by no means exhaustive] about Iran's war with us, mainly in Iraq. The list includes the two stories above. Notice that the chronologically first story is almost two years old to the day, meaning we've know of Iran's involvement in Iraq at least that long.

Captured Video Shows Iraqi Insurgents Firing Sophisticated Iranian-Made Rockets at U.S. Positions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292513,00.html) (FOX News, August 8, 2007)

U.S. says Iran-supplied bomb is killing more troops in Iraq (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6570794?source=rss) (New York Times, August 6, 2007)

U.S.: Iranian Training Responsible for 'Significant Improvement' in Iraqi Insurgents Aim With Mortars (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290866,00.html) (FOX News, July 26, 2007)

U.S.: Smugglers nabbed in Iraq may have links to Iran (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/22/iraq.main.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) (CNN, July 22, 2007)

Chinese missiles smuggled through Iran into Iraq: US (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070722/wl_asia_afp/iraqunrestchinairan_070722134808) (AFP, July 22, 2007)

Americans held in Iran on alleged security offenses shown on state TV (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/18/iran.detainees.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest) (CNN, July 18, 2007)

Iran Is Found To Be a Lair of Al Qaeda (http://www.nysun.com/article/58507?page_no=1) (New York Sun, July 17, 2007)

Iraqi official says 200 explosive belts captured in truck crossing from Syria [an Iranian ally] (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3424270,00.html) (Ynet News, July 11, 2007)

US takes China to task over Iraq and Afghan arms [flowing via Iran] (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/a4e0f544-2df3-11dc-821c-0000779fd2ac.html) (Financial Times, July 9, 2007)

Officials: Captured Hezbollah agent helped plan deadly Karbala raid (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.hezbollah/index.html) (CNN, July 1, 2007)

Iran supplied missile that hit UK helicopter (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1977470.ece) (The Sunday Times, June 24, 2007)

Gates: Taliban getting weapons from Iran (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/06/13/gates_wants_more_trainers_in_afghanistan/) (The Boston Globe, June 13, 2007)

Iran arming Taliban, U.S. claims (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/06/13/iran.taliban/index.html) (CNN, June 13, 2007)

US troops attacked by Iranian military last year (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1173879171061) (The Jerusalem Post, March 25, 2007)

Iran's influence grows in Iraq, region (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070307iran,1,34353.story?track=rss) (Chicago Tribune, March 7, 2007)

Iraqi extremists trained in Iran: US intelligence (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070228/pl_afp/usintelligenceiraq_070228143848) (AFP, February 28, 2007)

Military: more evidence of Iran-made explosives (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003590966_iraqdig27.html?syndication=rss) (Seattle Times, February 27, 2007)

U.S.: Large Cache of Weapons Discovered in Iraq Traceable to Iran (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254600,00.html) (AP via FOX News, February 26, 2007)

Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml) (The Telegraph, February 13, 2007)

Iran involvement suspected in Karbala compound attack (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html) (CNN, January 31, 2007)

Donkeys harboring weapons stopped at Iran-Iraq border (http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/1-292925-2328520.php) (Army Times, November 2, 2006)

Barbero: Iran training Shiite insurgents (http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/1-292925-2056748.php) (AP via Army Times, August 24, 2006)

Casey cites Iran hand in attacks by Iraqi Shiites (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060622-112006-8130r.htm) (The Washington Times, June 23, 2006)

Rumsfeld accuses Iran of troublemaking in Iraq (http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/1-292925-1582304.php) (AP via Army Times, March 7, 2006)

EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran? (http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1) (ABC News, March 6, 2006)

Rumsfeld: Iraq bombs 'clearly from Iran' (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/10/iran.iraq/) (CNN, August 10, 2005)

boutons_
08-10-2007, 12:11 PM
One excellent way to cement into place for a long time a very unpopular Iranian govt running a country full of people who are pro-Western is for America to attack Iran, again turning pro-western and/or fence-sitters into anti-westerners.

Much better to control the Iraq/Iran border with US troops, but oops! dubya didn't have enough troops to invade Iraq in 2003, and is flat out of troops now.

Wild Cobra
08-10-2007, 02:04 PM
And to think. Iran and Iraq were both great places to visit, before president Carter tried to push his version of Human Right on them.

boutons_
08-10-2007, 02:12 PM
WC spins his lies, blaming Iran and Iraq on Carter.

xrayzebra
08-10-2007, 02:18 PM
Hey, wait just a cotton picking minute. I thought Bush and
Halliburton already had control of all the oil in Iraq. That is
what dan, boutons and GGA have been putting out.......is that
another one of the liberal lies

DynastyDynasty
08-10-2007, 02:21 PM
Screw Iran, I'd like us to worry more about democracy in the US.

xrayzebra
08-10-2007, 02:29 PM
Screw Iran, I'd like us to worry more about democracy in the US.

Hey we are a Republic! But it would be nice to go back
to go back to giving the people back their rights. Like
smoking where they like, driving without seatbelts,
not having to carry insurance, being able to sell a house
without smoke detectors, talking on a cell phone while
driving, eating trans-fats. You know like have the
ability to exercise personal responsibilities. But big
brother knows best.

George Gervin's Afro
08-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Hey we are a Republic! But it would be nice to go back
to go back to giving the people back their rights. Like
smoking where they like, driving without seatbelts,
not having to carry insurance, being able to sell a house
without smoke detectors, talking on a cell phone while
driving, eating trans-fats. You know like have the
ability to exercise personal responsibilities. But big
brother knows best.


I could only wish the GOP would run on this platform ray... :lol

xrayzebra
08-10-2007, 02:56 PM
They do. You just like to hear all the good sounding stuff that
the liberals put out. I mean you listen to the libs and us
conservatives like dirty water, polluted air and people starving.
Except no one is starving in the United States. But it makes a
great story. We suffer here in the U.S. from obesity, remember?
Yeah, like everyone really wants those things. Somewhere,
sometime people are going to have to take their well being into
their own hands.

I always have to shake my head when I hear junk like a "no
kill" city for stray dogs and cats. But the same people who
advocate that also say it is alright to kill the unborn. Well,
who wants animals killed for no reason. But I also don't
want the unborn killed. And the later part of that statement
I am condemned as taking away someones rights. Hey the
unborn child didn't have sex and must suffer the consequences
of the person who did. And now doesn't want to accept the
responsibility of that act.