Edgewood Underfunding

[MannyIsGod]

Parents pepper Edgewood officials

Web Posted: 12/10/2004 12:00 AM CST

Mc Nelly Torres
San Antonio Express-News

Expressing discontent with a proposed plan to close four elementary schools, parents bombarded Edgewood School District officials with an array of questions Thursday.
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Video: Four schools in the Edgewood School District could be shut down

About 300 parents packed the auditorium at Garcia Middle School, where the rezoning committee unveiled its plan to close Burleson, Frey, Williams and Hoelscher elementary schools. School officials expect the measure to save millions in operating expenses.

"I don't want my children to be bused," Betty Garcia, a mother of two children, said during the three minutes she was allowed to speak. "We have parents who purchased homes just to be close to the schools."

Many of the parents, whose children are the third and fourth generations to attend schools in the West Side district, said they don't have the means of transportation to travel long distances to pick up a child in case of an emergency.

Others told officials the changes will disrupt their communities.

"Money is not a privilege to me," said Dora Flores, a mother of three. "I have an arrangement with other parents whose kids go to Brentwood."

School officials tried to answer the questions and said the board has yet to approve the proposed plan. After experiencing a shortfall of about $3 million last year, the officials said they'll need to cut costs to avoid a deficit again this year.

Superintendent Richard Bocanegra said there's no easy way to tell parents their elementary schools are about to be closed.

"All we can do is to be honest," Bocanegra said moments before the hearing began. "It is in the best interest of the district — we are talking about the future."

Parents questioned why the school district spent money to remodel schools that later would be targeted for closure, and Rudy Lara expressed skepticism about the new plan.

"We are supposed to get a concrete answer from you, but we are getting the runaround," Lara said, drawing loud applause from the crowd.


I am all for more money going to these schools, but I'm also for NON IDIOTS running them. What the fuck?

This would just lead to overcrowding of OTHER schools as well.

[Nbadan]

We are closing down schools in America and opening them in Iraq and Afghanistan. What else needs to be said Manny? Yes there are incompetent school boards but no one likes closing schools. The fact is that declining population rates in these area around these schools has led to a decreasing enrollment, so in order to utilize their resources more efficiently Edgewood has decided to consolidate its elementary schools. Doesn't mean that classes will be more crowded at the fewer schools, class sizes are regulated by the State, just that there may be a need for one or two more teachers at each grade level to accommodate the increase in the number of students.

[Hook Dem]

I am all for more money going to these schools, but I'm also for NON IDIOTS running them. What the fuck?

This would just lead to overcrowding of OTHER schools as well.
You could run for the school board yourself since you have the solution and then we could criticize you. Thats not meant to be sarcastic. Bitching is easy. Fixing the problem is not.

[Hook Dem]

I'll give you an even better view of self indulgence. I am a senior citizen. I have paid my fair share of school taxes. I don't produce children anymore. I don't think I should have to pay any school taxes. Maybe if people were taxed on the number of children that had to go through the school systems, they would zip up a little more often. Why should I have to pay for your bedroom pleasure? It may be a selfish view but it's how I feel.

[Clandestino]

well, you can't judge it on that because everyone benefits from having an educated society...

[Guru of Nothing]

I'll give you an even better view of self indulgence. I am a senior citizen. I have paid my fair share of school taxes. I don't produce children anymore. I don't think I should have to pay any school taxes. Maybe if people were taxed on the number of children that had to go through the school systems, they would zip up a little more often. Why should I have to pay for your bedroom pleasure? It may be a selfish view but it's how I feel.

I'd rather spend my tax dollars feeding and educating children, if the alternative is funding prescription medication (and other routine health-care matters) for old folks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Another way to think about it is that if the children locally don't receive a decent education then the local economic base will perhaps stagnate or regress because potential employers won't want to locate where there are too many dumb motherfuckers. So you'd have a double whammy of a declining tax base as well as more people in need of social services providing the pressure for property tax rates to increase.

[MannyIsGod]

I'll give you an even better view of self indulgence. I am a senior citizen. I have paid my fair share of school taxes. I don't produce children anymore. I don't think I should have to pay any school taxes. Maybe if people were taxed on the number of children that had to go through the school systems, they would zip up a little more often. Why should I have to pay for your bedroom pleasure? It may be a selfish view but it's how I feel.

Short sighted.

And if you really feel this way, and how the hell can you sit there and promote the nation building that you never go against in Iraq?

[MannyIsGod]

You could run for the school board yourself since you have the solution and then we could criticize you. Thats not meant to be sarcastic. Bitching is easy. Fixing the problem is not.

You are CONSTANTLY saying this.

Trust me, if it was as easy as showing up and being able to take control then I would.

I do volunteer work and try to raise awareness of problems. That is my current contribution to solving them. One day I may be a member of a school board, who knows.

Don't call me out like this anymore, I'm done responding. I dont' have a need to validate my efforts to you, and I'm to the point of just ignoring these responses.

Try to bring a viewpoint that consists of something more than "do it yourself if you think you can do it better"

[Duff McCartney]

I'll give you an even better view of self indulgence. I am a senior citizen. I have paid my fair share of school taxes. I don't produce children anymore. I don't think I should have to pay any school taxes. Maybe if people were taxed on the number of children that had to go through the school systems, they would zip up a little more often. Why should I have to pay for your bedroom pleasure? It may be a selfish view but it's how I feel.

Hey man...I'm not old..so why should I pay into social security for old goats like you?

[Marcus Bryant]

Lest we forget Medicare. But Bush hasn't done anything but add more benefits for the old folks.

[Hook Dem]

Everything is viewed in perspective! Let's see if you young fuckers maintain that attitude when you get older. and yes.............you will get older. well.....some of you will. Others will never live to see 40 at the rate you're going. Shortsighted on your part Duff. I paid social security taxes for 50 years so some "old farts" could receive benefits. My dad tried to tell me and I'm trying to tell you. You are no different than me. I wouldn't listen either. So your solution when you're young is to just kick old people to the curb? And you call me shortsighted? What a laugh! I have watched this forum and have observed the young ones only being concerned about things that benefit themselves. It doesn't work that way. This is not "Logans Run".

[MannyIsGod]

Everything is viewed in perspective! Let's see if you young fuckers maintain that attitude when you get older. and yes.............you will get older. well.....some of you will. Others will never live to see 40 at the rate you're going. Shortsighted on your part Duff. I paid social security taxes for 50 years so some "old farts" could receive benefits. My dad tried to tell me and I'm trying to tell you. You are no different than me. I wouldn't listen either. So your solution when you're young is to just kick old people to the curb? And you call me shortsighted? What a laugh! I have watched this forum and have observed the young ones only being concerned about things that benefit themselves. It doesn't work that way. This is not "Logans Run".

Fuck off, most of the things I argue about have no direct impact on me. You made a post and people reacted to your very shortsighted ness.

Me and other people in here, in fact most, constantly advocate that we are part of a community and helping all parts not just yourself is benificial to all.

[Hook Dem]

Ok Manny...I'll Fuck off but it is very evident that you just live to bitch about things and throw rocks at those in charge. You love to give testimony about how your ancestors suffered as if we weren't aware of it and view yourself a notch above everyone else. If you don't want people responding to you, don't post. I'll call you out whenever I think it is necessary. I am not running for president of your fan club. Your present attitude will continue to make you a loser. You fuck off!

[MannyIsGod]

Ok Manny...I'll Fuck off but it is very evident that you just live to bitch about things and throw rocks at those in charge. You love to give testimony about how your ancestors suffered as if we weren't aware of it and view yourself a notch above everyone else. If you don't want people responding to you, don't post. I'll call you out whenever I think it is necessary. I am not running for president of your fan club. Your present attitude will continue to make you a loser. You fuck off!

Actually, I live to change things I don't agree with.

Furthermore, in hindsight I don't think you should change a thing you do. I think most people here see you for what you are.

[Duff McCartney]

Others will never live to see 40 at the rate you're going.

That's the plan!!

[Shelly]

40 to old for you, Duff? Why wouldn't you want to live longer than that?

Manny, I hope you are able to change things one day and I applaud your effort to do so, but I think you have to realize that you can benefit for an older person's wisdom even though you may not agree with them right now. Believe me, how you think and feel about things in your 20s will totally be different in your 30s and so on. A lot of us (generic us) thought we knew everything when we were young and will one day realize we knew jack shit.

I'm not ragging on you, btw.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, I hope you are able to change things one day and I applaud your effort to do so, but I think you have to realize that you can benefit for an older person's wisdom even though you may not agree with them right now. Believe me, how you think and feel about things in your 20s will totally be different in your 30s and so on. A lot of us (generic us) thought we knew everything when we were young and will one day realize we knew jack shit.

I'm not ragging on you, btw.


I completely agree that experience is very valuable as is the wisdom you gain from people WITH said experience.

I don't think Hook offers up much wisdom based on experience when his only remarks to the problems I post about are in regards to me going and doing the job.

[Marcus Bryant]

Everything is viewed in perspective! Let's see if you young fuckers maintain that attitude when you get older. and yes.............you will get older. well.....some of you will. Others will never live to see 40 at the rate you're going. Shortsighted on your part Duff. I paid social security taxes for 50 years so some "old farts" could receive benefits. My dad tried to tell me and I'm trying to tell you. You are no different than me. I wouldn't listen either. So your solution when you're young is to just kick old people to the curb? And you call me shortsighted? What a laugh! I have watched this forum and have observed the young ones only being concerned about things that benefit themselves. It doesn't work that way. This is not "Logans Run".

So you can complain about paying for things that don't benefit you but us 'young fuckers' can't do the same?

[Duff McCartney]

40 to old for you, Duff?

Yes....

The plan...turn 40...live it up for a month..cook up the biggest shot of heroin ever...and die of an overdose.

[Shelly]

Yes....

The plan...turn 40...live it up for a month..cook up the biggest shot of heroin ever...and die of an overdose.

And this is because? Do your parents know of this plan?

[MannyIsGod]

Yes....

The plan...turn 40...live it up for a month..cook up the biggest shot of heroin ever...and die of an overdose.

Why put off untill tomorrow what you can do today?

[Shelly]

Why put off untill tomorrow what you can do today?

:lol I was gonna post that, but I was trying to be kind.

[Duff McCartney]

Why put off untill tomorrow what you can do today?

Because I haven't accomplished what I need to....

[Duff McCartney]

And this is because? Do your parents know of this plan?

Does it matter?

[Shelly]

Does it matter?

I guess not if you don't care that you'll break their hearts when you decide to off yourself. But then again, on the other hand, they may be counting the days.

[Duff McCartney]

I guess not if you don't care that you'll break their hearts when you decide to off yourself.

They wouldn't know anyway.....well they might...but for a long time.

[Shelly]

But then again, on the other hand, they may be counting the days

[Duff McCartney]

You are no different than me.

It's quite obvious I am....I know why we pay social security, and I'm not complaining about it like you are complaining about paying taxes for schools. I wrote that to be sarcastic and so you'd see how ridiculous what you said is.

[MannyIsGod]

Because I haven't accomplished what I need to....

I'm curious, what would this be?

[Shelly]

I'm curious, what would this be?


Paying back Jim?

[MannyIsGod]

Paying back Jim?

:elephant

[samikeyp]

http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2002/0501/photo/dolph2.jpg

"if he dies...he dies."

[Duff McCartney]

I'm curious, what would this be?

Well the list is long but distinguished....

[Jekka]

Well the list is long but distinguished....

Fill us in with some examples.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh Duff, ever the internet rebel.

Duff, you don't even drink alcohol and you think you will rebelliously die in a blaze of glory on a heroin overdose? Please!

Duff tries to play such the role of an internet bad ass it's pathetic. Tries to be brooding and negative all the time, but this one takes the cake.

[gophergeorge]

Saint John Bosco The BEST school in the Edgewood ISD!

[Clandestino]

edgewood underfunding-->social security-->duff od'ing on heroin-->duff being called out that he is really a pussy!

LOL!

[Useruser666]

I don't trust anyone serving on a school board or a city council.

[Hook Dem]

So you can complain about paying for things that don't benefit you but us 'young fuckers' can't do the same?
Actually, that was a comeback for previous things posted. Should have used a smiley face. My bad. I was just trying to point out that there are different views on everything depending on one's needs. I was attempting to get everyone to see "the big picture". No offense meant. :angel

[Hook Dem]

Actually, I live to change things I don't agree with.

Furthermore, in hindsight I don't think you should change a thing you do. I think most people here see you for what you are.
Thats because you're a "rebel" Manny! It's okay to make an observation about me but why must you always attempt to back it up by including "most people". Do you ever do anything on your own merits without having "most people" back you up? I have noticed that you attack anyone who does not agree with you. I will be kinder than you and say that you do have some good qualities. On the other hand, you do not always exhibit them. Case in point....your thread in the club openly arguing with your girlfriend. Does your entire life have to be on display for others to see and cast their approval? You are your own worst enemy. Clean up your own back yard before attempting to clean mine.

[spurster]

DId any of you see the editorial in the SA EP a week ago, "The Greediest Generation"? The editorial was about the property tax freeze for the elderly, but I think the title applies to all of the US. We all want the benefits from public education to Medicare, and we want our tax cuts at the same time, from the Child Tax Credit to the property tax freeze. The Edgewood School Board probably has its problems, but at least they have the guts to make tough decisions to address their financial problem and inform the public.

In the midst of this, Hook Dem wants to add fuel to the fire by cutting his school taxes to zero. I'm sure that would solve Edgewood's problems.

As for you Duff, it would be better for the rest of us if you would delay your plans until you reach ocial Security/Medicare age, i.e., as long as you are paying more taxes than you are receiving in benefits.

[Hook Dem]

"In the midst of this, Hook Dem wants to add fuel to the fire by cutting his school taxes to zero. I'm sure that would solve Edgewood's problems." ...............If you would read above, I posted this to prove a point. That being that everyone is "greedy" in selecting things that benefit themselves. http://tinypic.com/winuq Take one of these and call me in the morning.

[Jekka]

our thread in the club openly arguing with your girlfriend. Does your entire life have to be on display for others to see and cast their approval? You are your own worst enemy. Clean up your own back yard before attempting to clean mine.

You do realize that was a joke right?

[bigzak25]

edgewood needs to get it's shit together. bottomline. and those parents deserve answers. but everyone needs to think about what's best for the kids regarding safety and education. "i don't want my kids taking the bus" is unacceptable. 3 million dollars short of forcasts is unacceptable as well. what went wrong there? explain please.

[Duff McCartney]

Duff, you don't even drink alcohol and you think you will rebelliously die in a blaze of glory on a heroin overdose? Please!

I don't? Then how come you were so quick to call me out on that time I said I drove drunk?

[Duff McCartney]

Actually, that was a comeback for previous things posted. Should have used a smiley face. My bad. I was just trying to point out that there are different views on everything depending on one's needs. I was attempting to get everyone to see "the big picture".

I was looking at the big picture...in fact you were the first one to make post not looking at the big picture, then you want to call us out for not looking at "the big picture".

You said that you don't make children anymore....so you don't want to pay any school taxes...isn't that not looking at the big picture? BTW that was the first thing you said in this thread.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'd like to see a Duff v TPark throwdown.

[Hook Dem]

I was looking at the big picture...in fact you were the first one to make post not looking at the big picture, then you want to call us out for not looking at "the big picture".

You said that you don't make children anymore....so you don't want to pay any school taxes...isn't that not looking at the big picture? BTW that was the first thing you said in this thread.
Wasn't talking to you dummy!

[Kori Ellis]

I don't? Then how come you were so quick to call me out on that time I said I drove drunk?

Well you've never drank at a GTG. Your driving drunk story was probably just another internet hardass episode.

[Duff McCartney]

Well you've never drank at a GTG.

It's cause I'm not comfortable...cause if I pass out from drinking...I could end up with a carrot in my ass and a picture of it on the board.

[SequSpur]

Edgewood sucks. Close that mofo.

[samikeyp]

It's cause I'm not comfortable...cause if I pass out from drinking...I could end up with a carrot in my ass and a picture of it on the board.

Well if you lack the mental ability to not know when to stop drinking before you pass out...maybe its a good idea you don't.

[Clandestino]

passing out drunk and getting carrots shoved up your ass happens at gtgs?!!! fuck! i'm glad i have never been to one!!!

[SpursWoman]

I could end up with a carrot in my ass and a picture of it on the board.



Ummmm.....I've passed out at plenty of GTG's and this has never happened.


I think? :wow :nerd :wow :lol

[travis2]

Ummmm.....I've passed out at plenty of GTG's and this has never happened.


I think? :wow :nerd :wow :lol

As far as you know, that's correct...:angel

[MannyIsGod]

You know, I think it's pretty safe to say that nobody at a GTG wants to go anywhere near your ass Duff.

[Duff McCartney]

You know, I think it's pretty safe to say that nobody at a GTG wants to go anywhere near your ass Duff.

Likewise.

[MannyIsGod]

Likewise.

I have proof that's wrong! She's sitting on my lap! :elephant

[Nbadan]

Ummmm.....I've passed out at plenty of GTG's and this has never happened.


I think?

Well, this explains all the rumors!

:lol

[SpursWoman]

:lol :eyebrows :smokin