**Official UFC 74: RESPECT Thread**

[dallaskd]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

A little early but the mma threads are slow.

[cornbread]

It's hard to make a call on many of these fights.

[desflood]

Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

Stevenson/Pellegrino - I am at a loss.

[Evan]

As of right now....

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta (sorry Leonard)
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir (changed to Mir)
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[spurs=bling]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir

[stevallica]

Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[dallaskd]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[dallaskd]

Hard to see Guida winning. Im pulling for him though.

[LEONARD]

Yea, Guida has had a bitch of a road...Din Thomas, Tyson Griffin, and now Marcus Aurelio. Compare that to Roger Huerta's road traveled... :lol

Probably another tough loss for him...

[oligarchy]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[Evan]

For whatever reason this was the easiest card for me to predict in a looooooooooong time. The past year has been so hard to breakdown.

[oligarchy]

For whatever reason this was the easiest card for me to predict in a looooooooooong time. The past year has been so hard to breakdown.

Yeah -- same here. I think we only differed on the Hardonk/Mir fight. Hardonk has zero ground game. Look at his fight with Justin McCully ?!?!

[Evan]

Yeah -- same here. I think we only differed on the Hardonk/Mir fight. Hardonk has zero ground game. Look at his fight with Justin McCully ?!?!

I am now picking Mir, I was thinking about this over the weekend when I saw some old UFC footage.

I am just dissapointed in Mir. He is such a paper tiger. I don't buy into his leg being his problem from that motorcycle accident. I think its where his head and desire is at.

I edited my pics.

[ALVAREZ6]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

A little early but the mma threads are slow.Don't know the rest of the dudes.

[Evan]

Don't know the rest of the dudes.

You would recognize more of them if you saw their faces.

[dallaskd]

Don't know the rest of the dudes.

Joe Stevenson was on TUF(just beat Guillard)
http://www.finehomeslv.com/ultimate_fighting_championship/ufc-fight-night/joe-stevenson.gif
You may remember Babalu from when Liddell Ko'd him twice(first one was a higlight reel head kick to the face)
http://www.fight.hu/image_upload/more_2006_09_08_14_02_sobral.bmp
Huerta is an overrated Mexican that fights every UFC
http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/sports/2006/09/20_ufc_med.jpg
Frank Mir does broadcasting for WEC and was HW champ(tim sylvia is his bitch)
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f5/200px-Frank_Mir.jpg
hardonk is some euro guy,
heath got beat down by machida(fill in for Forrest, when he had staff)
guida has long curly hair and got robbed in the tyson griffin fight at 72(you would know him if you saw him)
crane is a newcomer i know nothing about
Jensen and Leites are UFN guys so dont worry bout them

[ALVAREZ6]

I recognize Joe Stevenson now that you posted his picture. I'm not too sure about the rest of the guys, I'm just a casual MMA fan.

[dallaskd]

wow i didnt relize how poorly patrick cote has been doing in the UFC. he needs this. Random thought: kendall grove's tatoo on his arm(feather and arrow is clean as hell)

[dallaskd]

Random thought: why is this UFC called Respect?
Is that little bitch danny abbadi still in the UFC or is he just on the website?

[ALVAREZ6]

Random thought: why is this UFC called Respect?
Is that little bitch danny abbadi still in the UFC or is he just on the website?Because no one has respect for Josh Koscheck's tool bag ass and Randy Couture already respects Gonzaga.


That's my guess.

[ALVAREZ6]

I was just on the UFC site and on the UFC 74 Respect description they have written ...yada yada yada Randy Couture is the most respected fighter.

[ALVAREZ6]

I just read somewhere that Randy is taking steroids.

[dallaskd]

haha

[dallaskd]

I just read somewhere that Randy is taking steroids.

At least when i make fake news in the nba forum i type it up.

[dallaskd]

now lets wait while alvarez types..

[ALVAREZ6]

Well, I was trying to see if someone would verify this. I only read something to make me infer that he might be:


Neither guy said anything bad about each other, which certainly doesn't fit the typical profile of pre-fight talk. Couture, the heavyweight champion, did talk a bit about steroids, but he insisted that performance-enhancing drugs are not a problem for UFC.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/05/ufc-randy-couture-gabriel-gonzaga-not-talking-much-trash-as-fi/

[ALVAREZ6]

This Couture-Gonzaga match is awesome. I'm satisfied with either of them winning, both of them are classy guys and have been keeping their mouths shut. This is the type of fight I like to see.

[dallaskd]

This Couture-Gonzaga match is awesome. I'm satisfied with either of them winning, both of them are classy guys and have been keeping their mouths shut. This is the type of fight I like to see.

Gonzaga is a good guy, but its amazing to see people rooting for someone other than couture. especially if their american.(though your not so it makes sense)

[ALVAREZ6]

Gonzaga is a good guy, but its amazing to see people rooting for someone other than couture. especially if their american.(though your not so it makes sense)I'm not rooting for either of them, that's why I'll be satisfied with either result. I like both of these guys as fighters, and the fact that they're keeping it cool just earns them more respect.

[dallaskd]

Ok in that case root for Randy, but in the case Zaga wins you wont be unhappy.

[ALVAREZ6]

Why's it matter..I don't have payperview anyway, I'll only see the result + highlights.

[dallaskd]

You dont have any local bars around you showing the fight? (Hooters, Buffalo Wild Wings, Twin Peaks, Fox and Hound)

[ALVAREZ6]

I don't go to bars...I'm 17.


BTW, when exactly is UFC 74?

[dallaskd]

August 25...Buffalo Wild Wings is a resturant, There is no age limit for Hooters, i went in their by myself at 14, i think you have to be 18 for fox and hound and twin peaks though, just check the listings of places when they come out, ill post them if no one else does. the only bad place about those places is people who talk out of their ass, go to a friends who is showing it or something. How do you not have PPV?

[ALVAREZ6]

Cus we don't pay for that shit

[dallaskd]

o you live in argentina?

[ALVAREZ6]

No I live in Philly

[LEONARD]

UFC 74 sports bars, etc
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.SportsBars&eid=760

UFC 74 Conf Call Notes...Brandon Vera to face Tim Sylvia at UFC 77??
http://www.ufcdaily.com/2007/08/17/ufc-74-conference-call-recap/


Jensen and Leites are UFN guys so dont worry bout them

Leites is a stud...a title shot is in his future (within 2 yrs)


Why's it matter..I don't have payperview anyway, I'll only see the result + highlights.

Jeez dude...you need to figure out where to go to live stream or DL the fights for free... :ihit


I don't go to bars...I'm 17.

BTW, when exactly is UFC 74?

Aug 25th...

See my list above for places that are showing the PPV...

[cornbread]

I could be happy with either Couture or Gonzaga winning.

I just really want to see Mir and Babalu get some W's on this card.

[Evan]

I could be happy with either Couture or Gonzaga winning.

I just really want to see Mir and Babalu get some W's on this card.

I hear ya my friend. I agree.

[Evan]

I just read somewhere that Randy is taking steroids.

BS speculation.

[LEONARD]

Bodog finally put up odds for the full card, so I placed my bets. I'm leaning heavily on Grove and Leites, who I think are absolute locks. I ended up going with Randy only because he's a slight underdog...I think the fight is a pick'em, so I didn't like Gonzaga's line. I'm surprised Mir is favored against anybody, even Hardonk who just lost to MulletCully...Hardonk by KO/TKO. I see value in Aurelio because most in the US don't know who he is...he should be favored IMO. I think Babalu is done...probably a boring decision for Heath. I think GSP will return to form and handle Koscheck in a great fight. Pellegrino and Crane are my longer shot underdogs...I see some value in their odds as both are relatively unknown to most fans.

Thales Leites -220
Ryan Jensen +180
Pick: Leites - Risk $35.00 to win $15.91

Frank Mir -200
Antoni Hardonk +160
Pick: Hardonk - Risk $7.00 to win $11.20

Clay Guida -130
Marcus Aurelio EVEN
Pick: Aurelio - Risk $10.00 to win $10.00

Renato Sobral -210
David Heath +170
Pick: Heath - Risk $7.00 to win $11.90

Roger Huerta -450
Alberto Crane +300
Pick: Crane - $7.00 to win $21.00

Kendall Grove -260
Patrick Cote +200
Pick: Grove - Risk $25.00 to win $9.62

Joe Stevenson -295
Kurt Pellegrino +235
Pick: Pellegrino - Risk $7.00 to win $16.45

Georges St-Pierre -220
Josh Koscheck +180
Pick: GSP - Risk $15.00 to win $6.82

Gabriel Gonzaga -135
Randy Couture +105
Pick: Couture - Risk $15.00 to win $15.75

[Evan]

LEONARD

You should do a little explanation on how betting works.

[LEONARD]

Maybe I should research how it works first?? :bang

j/k

This is about as well as it can be explained...
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/11/mma-wagering-101/

[Evan]

cool. I have a solid basic understanding of it but thats a great write up.

[LEONARD]

A much better explanation than I could give...

I'm FAR from an expert...just playing around really. If the account runs dry, I'm done...

[Evan]

I may open a $100 account. I only feel very strong about one or two fights a card.

Except this card....I would bet on GSP, Joe, Renato, Grove and leave the rest alone.

Hey did you hear K-Scott? I heard the last 5 minutes. Good times.

[LEONARD]

Damn!! I forgot he was going to be on...had the radio off and was catching up on old SD radio's...

Most only bet on some of the fights but I almost always bet on all of them...what the hell. :lol

[Evan]

He is doing post show if your working at the end of the game. His partner....eh

I forgot too and only had it on to hear Bob and Larry.

[LEONARD]

It's him and Skin isn't it???

[Evan]

Not for tonights pre game I don't think. If that was skin he sounded weird or maybe they were having mic issues (cumulus...the power of radio...)

[LEONARD]

Thursday night on Spike TV:
UFC 74 Countdown (10:00 central)
All Access: Randy Couture (11:00 central)

Friday at 6:00 central...weigh-ins on ESPNews (also available online)

Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRIs9qhWvI

UFC 74 stuff...lots of interviews, etc
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/8/19/22325/1469

Pellegrino article
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4538

GSP training pictures
http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=8658

Alberto Crane KOTC fight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoJqY1Lf_Gc

[Evan]

its so weird seeing GSP with hair...

[dallaskd]

Bodog finally put up odds for the full card, so I placed my bets. I'm leaning heavily on Grove and Leites, who I think are absolute locks. I ended up going with Randy only because he's a slight underdog...I think the fight is a pick'em, so I didn't like Gonzaga's line. I'm surprised Mir is favored against anybody, even Hardonk who just lost to MulletCully...Hardonk by KO/TKO. I see value in Aurelio because most in the US don't know who he is...he should be favored IMO. I think Babalu is done...probably a boring decision for Heath. I think GSP will return to form and handle Koscheck in a great fight. Pellegrino and Crane are my longer shot underdogs...I see some value in their odds as both are relatively unknown to most fans.

Thales Leites -220
Ryan Jensen +180
Pick: Leites - Risk $35.00 to win $15.91

Frank Mir -200
Antoni Hardonk +160
Pick: Hardonk - Risk $7.00 to win $11.20

Clay Guida -130
Marcus Aurelio EVEN
Pick: Aurelio - Risk $10.00 to win $10.00

Renato Sobral -210
David Heath +170
Pick: Heath - Risk $7.00 to win $11.90

Roger Huerta -450
Alberto Crane +300
Pick: Crane - $7.00 to win $21.00

Kendall Grove -260
Patrick Cote +200
Pick: Grove - Risk $25.00 to win $9.62

Joe Stevenson -295
Kurt Pellegrino +235
Pick: Pellegrino - Risk $7.00 to win $16.45

Georges St-Pierre -220
Josh Koscheck +180
Pick: GSP - Risk $15.00 to win $6.82

Gabriel Gonzaga -135
Randy Couture +105
Pick: Couture - Risk $15.00 to win $15.75

I do fake betting on mmaplaygound.com :lol

[dallaskd]

its so weird seeing GSP with hair...

I read that. :lol

[dallaskd]

Yea, Guida has had a bitch of a road...Din Thomas, Tyson Griffin, and now Marcus Aurelio. Compare that to Roger Huerta's road traveled... :lol

Probably another tough loss for him...

If Clay had won out and wins Saturady he could have been close for a title bout.

[dallaskd]

Anyone notice GSP never puts a +th; or +rd, +nd at the end of dates.
"On August twenty five we will find out."
Just a little annoying
:lol

[Evan]

The way Americans state dates are different from the rest of the world.

[oligarchy]

Bodog finally put up odds for the full card, so I placed my bets. I'm leaning heavily on Grove and Leites, who I think are absolute locks. I ended up going with Randy only because he's a slight underdog...I think the fight is a pick'em, so I didn't like Gonzaga's line. I'm surprised Mir is favored against anybody, even Hardonk who just lost to MulletCully...Hardonk by KO/TKO. I see value in Aurelio because most in the US don't know who he is...he should be favored IMO. I think Babalu is done...probably a boring decision for Heath. I think GSP will return to form and handle Koscheck in a great fight. Pellegrino and Crane are my longer shot underdogs...I see some value in their odds as both are relatively unknown to most fans.

Thales Leites -220
Ryan Jensen +180
Pick: Leites - Risk $35.00 to win $15.91

Frank Mir -200
Antoni Hardonk +160
Pick: Hardonk - Risk $7.00 to win $11.20

Clay Guida -130
Marcus Aurelio EVEN
Pick: Aurelio - Risk $10.00 to win $10.00

Renato Sobral -210
David Heath +170
Pick: Heath - Risk $7.00 to win $11.90

Roger Huerta -450
Alberto Crane +300
Pick: Crane - $7.00 to win $21.00

Kendall Grove -260
Patrick Cote +200
Pick: Grove - Risk $25.00 to win $9.62

Joe Stevenson -295
Kurt Pellegrino +235
Pick: Pellegrino - Risk $7.00 to win $16.45

Georges St-Pierre -220
Josh Koscheck +180
Pick: GSP - Risk $15.00 to win $6.82

Gabriel Gonzaga -135
Randy Couture +105
Pick: Couture - Risk $15.00 to win $15.75

I don't think you'll recoup your original bets. I think you had 128 in wagers, but after the bets and returns, i'm saying you'll have about 80. That's my prediction. :)

Honestly, if you believe that underdogs are locks, then you should wager more money on them to gain a higher return, rather than bet small wagers on a clear favorite with a wagerline that low.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Anyone notice GSP never puts a +th; or +rd, +nd at the end of dates.
"On August twenty five we will find out."
Just a little annoying
:lol

its because he speaks french

[LEONARD]

I don't think you'll recoup your original bets. I think you had 128 in wagers, but after the bets and returns, i'm saying you'll have about 80. That's my prediction. :)

Honestly, if you believe that underdogs are locks, then you should wager more money on them to gain a higher return, rather than bet small wagers on a clear favorite with a wagerline that low.

I guess we'll see...

I didn't bet any underdogs as "locks"...I only bet on 4 underdogs (Couture basically even). Hardonk is the only one I feel strongly about. Small bet, small risk, but decent return if they hit. Most of the time I bet on an UD it's because I see good value in the bet...ie, they shouldn't be as big of a dog as they are.

[oligarchy]

I guess we'll see...

I didn't bet any underdogs as "locks"...I only bet on 4 underdogs (Couture basically even). Hardonk is the only one I feel strongly about. Small bet, small risk, but decent return if they hit. Most of the time I bet on an UD it's because I see good value in the bet...ie, they shouldn't be as big of a dog as they are.

I didn't say you did. Just saying it might be better, but what do I know? :)
It's funny because I think Hardonk is your worst bet, but we will see. I would wager on Grove (and he's my pick) as well, but something tells me Cote could pull this one out with a nice KO. Once it's down though, Cote FTL.

[Evan]

"Coteee Cote Cote Cote...Coteee... Coteee"

from the show...anyone? anyone?

Ahhhh........

Matt Serra from TUF 4 at the dinner table.

[LEONARD]

I didn't say you did. Just saying it might be better, but what do I know? :)
It's funny because I think Hardonk is your worst bet, but we will see. I would wager on Grove (and he's my pick) as well, but something tells me Cote could pull this one out with a nice KO. Once it's down though, Cote FTL.

Gotcha...I was confused as to what you meant...

Hardonk may be a bad bet...I think he's a good value and I only put up $7 with a chance to get back $18...

I banked heavily on Grove and Leites...almost have of my funds. They better win!!


"Coteee Cote Cote Cote...Coteee... Coteee"

from the show...anyone? anyone?

Ahhhh........

Matt Serra from TUF 4 at the dinner table.

I uhmemba...

[oligarchy]

I banked heavily on Grove and Leites...almost have of my funds. They better win!!


:lol Yeah.. good bets though..

[Rip-Hamilton32]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

[Evan]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

wow! What more could you want from a card?

Title fight Randy and GG

and 2 other fights involving past champions. Mir's fight then GSP

Then a future contender, Stevenson for LW.

and lets not forget the highly underrated Clay Guida.

Worth every penny imo! :)

[LEONARD]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

Jeez dude...

What card has been worth buying to you in the past???

[desflood]

He's probably one of those guys who would only pay to see Chuck/Tito again.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

He's probably one of those guys who would only pay to see Chuck/Tito again.

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

[Evan]

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

I hear ya. Causal fans aren't willing to spend $40 if their fav fighters isn't on it.

And for the record, I will be stunned if Mir's fights makes it to TV.

[2centsworth]

Jeez dude...

What card has been worth buying to you in the past???

The novelty is wearing off.

[Evan]

The novelty is wearing off.

That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.

[LEONARD]

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

Mir is deep on the undercard...

If you don't like any of these guys, who do you like??


That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.

:lol

[2centsworth]

That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.
what PPV records have they broken lately? 100million dollar TV deal isn't that big in the realm of sports.

Give me some facts. I bet their PPV numbers have slowly declined since Tito vs LIddell. Not a shocker the UFC 75 is for free. I promise you if they could make a killing on PPV they would.

[Evan]

what PPV records have they broken lately? 100million dollar TV deal isn't that big in the realm of sports.

Give me some facts. I bet their PPV numbers have slowly declined since Tito vs LIddell. Not a shocker the UFC 75 is for free. I promise you if they could make a killing on PPV they would.

Your the one who made the comment, you do your research.

[2centsworth]

Your the one who made the comment, you do your research.your response was they keep breaking PPV. You made first mention of it.

Nevertheless, that's what I thought. Spouting off at the mouth with nothing to support your argument.

here's a little perspective for you. The New York Yankees last television deal was for $850 million.

[Evan]

your response was they keep breaking PPV. You made first mention of it.

Nevertheless, that's what I thought. Spouting off at the mouth with nothing to support your argument.

You little troll.....you said this first "The novelty is wearing off."

MMA keeps breaking its own PPV buys records, I never said boxing.

Boxing has now, and will probably always have the highest PPV buys. They have one huge mega event every couple years. And thats fine. You and I keep arguing about this but I am a boxing fan. I love both sports although I am able to see boxings flaws, unlike most fans which I will never understand. Why cant fans see the flaws in their sport? Why don't they want them fixed?

MMA has tons and tons of huge PPV's all year long so they will NEVER have that huge mega card that everyone talks about because the next PPV is right around the corner.

Look at this...

AUGUST 25 - ShoXC on Showtime
AUGUST 25 - UFC 74
SEPT 1 - ART OF WAR 3
SEPT 5 - WEC 30
SEPT 8 - UFC 75
SEPT 15 - ELITEXC on Showtime
SEPT 17 - K-1 HERO’s MW Tourny Semi-finals
SEPT 19 - UFC FIGHT NIGHT 11
SEPT 19 - TUF 6 begins
SEPT 20 - IFL League Finals
SEPT 22 - UFC 76
SEPT 22 - CAGE RAGE 23
SEPT 29 - Malice at Heff’s Palace

[Evan]

here's a little perspective for you. The New York Yankees last television deal was for $850 million.

WHO CARES?!

Were talking about your MMA is losing momentum comment. Stick to the topic.

[LEONARD]

Give me some facts. I bet their PPV numbers have slowly declined since Tito vs LIddell. Not a shocker the UFC 75 is for free. I promise you if they could make a killing on PPV they would.

They did a PPV in Ireland at 2:00 in the afternoon for UFC 72 and it wasn't a hit (didn't help that the card sucked!). The only reason UFC 75 is free is because it's in London...

Please explain how the "novelty" has worn off?? Based on what???

[2centsworth]

They did a PPV in Ireland at 2:00 in the afternoon for UFC 72 and it wasn't a hit (didn't help that the card sucked!). The only reason UFC 75 is free is because it's in London...

Please explain how the "novelty" has worn off?? Based on what???first you need to read the post accurately. I didn't say worn off. I said wearing off. There's a difference. MMA has benefited from the unexplained reason things like Bum Fights did so well. I bet if there was a sanctioned gladiator fight it would do well too. MMA is entering into a period where the sport has got to maintain it's popularity now that the blood and guts crowd has come and gone.

There are some weaknesses in the sport of MMA, but it seems like fans of that sport are blinder than bats.

[LEONARD]

first you need to read the post accurately. I didn't say worn off. I said wearing off. There's a difference. MMA has benefited from the unexplained reason things like Bum Fights did so well. I bet if there was a sanctioned gladiator fight it would do well too. MMA is entering into a period where the sport has got to maintain it's popularity now that the blood and guts crowd has come and gone.

There are some weaknesses in the sport of MMA, but it seems like fans of that sport are blinder than bats.

Ahhhhhh...got me on a technicality... :lol Wow...

So it's WEARING off because the "blood and guts" crowd has come and gone? What are you basing that on? When did they get here and when did they leave??

Bum fights? WTF? Minimize much?? What does bum fights have to do with the UFC?? When has bum fights ever been anything more than garbage on a website?? I must've missed ESPN covering bum fights... :lol

What sport doesn't have weaknesses? And I've certainly never said it doesn't. What are the UFC's weaknesses in your opinion?

You say it's only been a sport for 3 yrs also...maybe you could explain that to me while you're at it...

[dallaskd]

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

how the hell do you not like randy?!?!?! :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy

thats un-american

[dallaskd]

what PPV records have they broken lately? 100million dollar TV deal isn't that big in the realm of sports.

Give me some facts. I bet their PPV numbers have slowly declined since Tito vs LIddell. Not a shocker the UFC 75 is for free. I promise you if they could make a killing on PPV they would.

What most casual UFC fans don't relize is that Randy/Gonzaga will be alot better fight than ortiz/liddell. They care about the names not watching a good fight.

[LEONARD]

Preview videos are starting to show up on ufc.com
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Multimedia.home

Performity's picks
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/23/performifys-picks-ufc-74/

Kurt Pellegrino and Randy Couture on "Whoop Ass" radio today...
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/8/23/174647/879

Couture was on the Stephen Quadros show on Tuesday...he picked GSP over Koscheck.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/radio.asp?id=287

GSP on Savage Dog Show
http://www.sherdog.com/news/radio.asp?id=288

Koscheck says he has a surprise in store for GSP and the fans
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4561

[Evan]

Koscheck says he has a surprise in store for GSP and the fans
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4561

A watchable stand up?

[LEONARD]

:lol

He's just talkin' I'm sure...

Hopefully we'll see his head in the 3rd row... :fro

[cornbread]

Did anybody hear Couture on Rome's radio show today? I missed it.

[Evan]

I missed it but I have about 5 hours of Randy Couture stuff set for my DVR tonight.

I love the old man.

[Evan]

Quote from a sherdog write up on UFC 74

If Gonzaga wins...

" Gonzaga will be then on top of the world in the eyes of casual UFC fans."

More UFC bias. I don't understand that comment. It insinuates UFC fans are dumb and don't understand what makes a good fighter. Granted he may not be number one but he will (should he win) be close to the top. He will have beaten two of the best at HW in the span of a little over 4 months. Fedor can't say that. No other heavyweight can. Maybe he would be the number one HW. I may not agree 100% but I wouldn't argue with anyone should they say it.

I love sherdog but their bias is getting old. Don't take your hatred of Dana out on the fans......

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8721

[desflood]

It seems more to me that he's ripping on the casual, uninformed mma fan than UFC fans in general. Don't take it so personally :)

[oligarchy]

Quote from a sherdog write up on UFC 74

If Gonzaga wins...

" Gonzaga will be then on top of the world in the eyes of casual UFC fans."

More UFC bias. I don't understand that comment. It insinuates UFC fans are dumb and don't understand what makes a good fighter. Granted he may not be number one but he will (should he win) be close to the top. He will have beaten two of the best at HW in the span of a little over 4 months. Fedor can't say that. No other heavyweight can. Maybe he would be the number one HW. I may not agree 100% but I wouldn't argue with anyone should they say it.

I love sherdog but their bias is getting old. Don't take your hatred of Dana out on the fans......

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8721

No kidding. Sherdog is becoming like it's boards -- stupid elitists. Fedor needs to sign with UFC already.

[oligarchy]

It seems more to me that he's ripping on the casual, uninformed mma fan than UFC fans in general. Don't take it so personally :)

I think part of the point is that the UFC is the biggest and best organization. If there are top fighters in these classes that don't fight in the UFC, why is it stupid of someone that doesn't follow lower organizations than UFC to say that person would be #1?

I understand that not all of the greatest fighters have to be in the UFC, but how can you keep calling them #1? You have to fight the best to be the best. If Fedor never fights anyone ranked for awhile, does he stay #1?

This is the current problem in MMA versus the way boxing works.

[Evan]

It seems more to me that he's ripping on the casual, uninformed mma fan than UFC fans in general. Don't take it so personally :)

I see what your saying, but its always the UFC fan thats referenced. Always. For years. Ever since they busted out the knee pads for PRIDE.

And keep in mind, I am also referencing the entire collection of work by the great sherdog, not just this one write up. Its just getting old.

[Evan]

No kidding. Sherdog is becoming like it's boards -- stupid elitists.

Excellent point. A lot of sherdog is very elite and for some reason I cannot understand, extremely hostile to casual / and or new fans. Its almost as if your expected to have volumes of knowledge of this great sport the moment you decide you’re a fan or your for some reason not as "good" as fans who have been following for years.

[desflood]

I see what your saying, but its always the UFC fan thats referenced. Always. For years. Ever since they busted out the knee pads for PRIDE.

And keep in mind, I am also referencing the entire collection of work by the great sherdog, not just this one write up. Its just getting old.
Please, don't get me wrong, there is obvious bias coming from Sherdog. It's pretty hard to miss. There's just no point in getting worked up about it :dramaquee I'm not fond of it either, but I'm not going to get my dander up.

[Evan]

Please, don't get me wrong, there is obvious bias coming from Sherdog. It's pretty hard to miss. There's just no point in getting worked up about it :dramaquee I'm not fond of it either, but I'm not going to get my dander up.

Yeah but how are you supposed to pass the day at work? :wakeup


:toast

[desflood]

:lol

Everybody adapts their own survival techniques.

[LEONARD]

Weigh-ins online at 5:50, or 6:00 on ESPNews...
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/24/ufc-74-weigh-ins-live-from-the-mandalay-bay-events-center/

Pre-fight Press Conf and all the fighter videos are up...
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.video

Thales Leites Highlight...
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/8/24/16353/2695

Leites interview...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews.asp?n_id=8704

[LEONARD]

Leites came in at 188 with shorts on...has 2 hrs to cut 2 lbs including shorts...

Babalu - Heath had an intense staredown...

Huerta tried to shake Crane's hand after the staredown and he was late to stick his hand out, so Huerta yanked his back...kinda awkward...

HW: Champion Randy Couture (228.5 lbs.) vs. Gabriel Gonzaga (252 lbs.)
LW: Alberto Crane (155 lbs.) vs. Roger Huerta (155 lbs.)
WW: Georges St. Pierre (170 lbs.) vs. Josh Koscheck (170 lbs.)
LW: Joe Stevenson (155 lbs.) vs. Kurt Pellegrino (155 lbs.)
MW: Patrick Cote (184.5 lbs.) vs. Kendall Grove (184 lbs.)
MW: Ryan Jensen (185 lbs.) vs. Thales Leites (188 lbs.)
LH: David Heath (205 lbs.) vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral (204 lbs.)
HW: Antoni Hardonk (244 lbs.) vs. Frank Mir (255 lbs.)
LW: Marcus Aurelio (155 lbs.) vs. Clay Guida (155 lbs.)

[LEONARD]

Weigh-in pics
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/25/ufc-74-weigh-ins-photo-gallery/

Sherdog preview and picks
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8735

Huerta interview
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8730

[Evan]

did he make weight?

[Evan]

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


http://ufcjunkie.com/images/UFC_74/070824guida.jpg

[Evan]

ugh......I forsee cardio issues....

http://ufcjunkie.com/images/UFC_74/070824mir.jpg

[Evan]

lol

http://ufcjunkie.com/images/UFC_74/070824-huertacrane

[LEONARD]

I swear...Huerta comes off like a model that fights on the side...freakin' annoying...

Leites did make weight...

[Evan]

I swear...Huerta comes off like a model that fights on the side...freakin' annoying...

He's the Mexican Andrei Arlovsky


He will win though. And we will see him in October, maybe November.

[LEONARD]

Crane by armbar :fro

[desflood]

Wow. I see we even got Leonard to come out of hiding this weekend. What an event!

I think Huerta's got tons of potential, but it'd be nice to see him prove it by fighting somebody of note.

[Avitus1]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[cornbread]

Champion Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Kendall Grove
Joe Stevenson vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Alberto Crane vs. Roger Huerta
David Heath vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
Antoni Hardonk vs. Frank Mir
Marcus Aurelio vs. Clay Guida
Ryan Jensen vs. Thales Leites

[cornbread]

Huerta by man-panties.

[LEONARD]

Enjoy the fights...hopefully my bodog account still have something left after tonight :fro

[tempest186]

Cote wins the opening match against Grove. KO

[tempest186]

Joe Stevenson wins in unanimous decision.

[tempest186]

Roger Huerta TKO over Crane

[tempest186]

Georges St. Pierre over Josh Koscheck unanimous decision

[tempest186]

Champion Randy Couture keeps his title over Gabriel Gonzaga. TKO

[tsb2000]

Score one for the old dudes. Randy Couture is (still) the baddest man on the planet!

[dbreiden83080]

Randy is the MAN no shock there. 44 years old and he is kicking the shit out of Heavyweights half his age. There is greatness and there is Randy, he is the best.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

i read on sherdog that herb dean stopped another fight early? i heard gonzaga was protecting him self and randy was punching his arm and shit

[Rip-Hamilton32]

plus gonzaga was way overrated for his fluke win over crocop

[dbreiden83080]

i read on sherdog that herb dean stopped another fight early? i heard gonzaga was protecting him self and randy was punching his arm and shit

No WAY i saw the fight you could hear Herb Dean say to him more than once, "Fight back or am i going to stop the fight". He did not respond. Randy had won the first round 10-9 and the second 10-8 because Gonzaga lost a PT for grabbing the fence. His nose was broke, having trouble breathing and he was getting his ass handed to him. Randy whipped him totally fair stoppage right there.

[Evan]

Gonzaga was done. Some people on sherdog just hate to hate.

[Evan]

That was an absolutely awesome PPV. From stem to stern it was awesome.

[cornbread]

Amazing night of fights. I still can't believe that GSP dominated Kos with takedowns.

That was a more than fair stoppage with Couture and Gonzaga. No question about it.

[desflood]

Best night of fights so far this year. I love me some Randy Couture, but watching him always makes me feel bad. He's in such awesome shape at 44 and I'm in such bad shape at 29... :lol

Roger Huerta - no more hating, Leonard! Pure genius, using the screen to locate Crane's head and pound on it some more. Had all of us here rolling on the floor laughing.

Side note, Joe Stevenson actually had his jaw broken during his bout last night.

[TheTruth]

What the fuck was up with that dude choking after the Tap? He should be suspended for a long ass time.

[Evan]

Best night of fights so far this year. I love me some Randy Couture, but watching him always makes me feel bad. He's in such awesome shape at 44 and I'm in such bad shape at 29... :lol

Roger Huerta - no more hating, Leonard! Pure genius, using the screen to locate Crane's head and pound on it some more. Had all of us here rolling on the floor laughing.

Side note, Joe Stevenson actually had his jaw broken during his bout last night.

Huerta scored a lot of respect in my book last night. But now I want to see him fight a higher caliber fighter. I'm actually looking forward to his next fight which in my guess is around December.

I didn't know that about Joe...I have avoided reading too much about the fights until I see the undercard bouts. Now who will BJ face for the title (assuming sherk gets stripped....the bastard)

......hmmmm

I wonder how much Randy has in the tank at this level!?!? Maybe 3 fights? 4?! Simply amazing.

And man o man do I hear ya about the guilt desflood...I pounded down queso and battered fish tacos for dinner last night and I feel like such a lazy sack o sh-t today because of all of this. In a bit I am taking out my bike and hopefully ride away some deep seeded shame. lol

[Evan]

What the fuck was up with that dude choking after the Tap? He should be suspended for a long ass time.


Babalu Sobral...he is going to be in trouble...rumor has it hegot nailed with a 25k fine but we shall see what happens this week.

That guys life has fallen off the tracks as of late.

[tsb2000]

Amazing night of fights. I still can't believe that GSP dominated Kos with takedowns.

That was a more than fair stoppage with Couture and Gonzaga. No question about it.

I agree with both. The ref kept telling Gonzaga to fight or he would stop the action. It wasn't early, and in fact, I'm surprised it didn't stop sooner. Gonzaga was a mess.

GSP looked like a man posessed last night. Best fight I've seen of him. I'd love to see him kick Matt Sera's ass before the year is over.

[oligarchy]

Huerta scored a lot of respect in my book last night. But now I want to see him fight a higher caliber fighter. I'm actually looking forward to his next fight which in my guess is around December.

I didn't know that about Joe...I have avoided reading too much about the fights until I see the undercard bouts. Now who will BJ face for the title (assuming sherk gets stripped....the bastard)

......hmmmm

I wonder how much Randy has in the tank at this level!?!? Maybe 3 fights? 4?! Simply amazing.

And man o man do I hear ya about the guilt desflood...I pounded down queso and battered fish tacos for dinner last night and I feel like such a lazy sack o sh-t today because of all of this. In a bit I am taking out my bike and hopefully ride away some deep seeded shame. lol

Roger's fight killed me. He was watching the megatron and elbowing Crane. I was cracking up. He looked good escaping many submission attempts. I want to watch him fight someone real though, which he should get. Before t he fight, most people wondered who he was. After the fight, most were impressed.

Cote's win was as I said it could be -- a lucky KO

GSP looked like an animal. It was funny to see Kos on his back all night. GSP has great take down defense. I figured Kos would have more takedowns.

Randy looked great in his fight, though. It was a bad call for me.

Overall, great night of fights. Anybody able to find the dark fights? I want to see the Renato, Guida, and Mir fights.

[dallaskd]

:lol Leonard

"Crane by Armbar"

Randy, GSP looked sharp, great win for Guida, much needed wins for Mir, Babalu, Cote.

[dallaskd]

GSP out wrestling Kos was amazing to me. :dizzy
Couture's slam on Gabe resembled the one he landed to Chuck in their first bout. Huerta impressed me but i'd like to see him fight a guy like Ken-Flo, Spencer Fisher, or Guida.

[cornbread]

Watch it before Dailymotion takes it down.
babalu-heath (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ufc+74/video/x2uawk_ufc-74-renato-babalu-sobral-vs-davi_extreme)

[IX_Equilibrium]

http://i10.tinypic.com/53phqpf.gif

http://i19.tinypic.com/6ft6w79.gif

[cornbread]

mir-hardonk (http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/123051/Frank_Mir_vs_Antoni_Hardonk.html?rh=11118)

[mardigan]

http://i10.tinypic.com/53phqpf.gif

http://i19.tinypic.com/6ft6w79.gif
Who the hell is that?
And does anyone knopw whos blood was all over the mat? I must have missed that fight

[Evan]

Who the hell is that?
And does anyone knopw whos blood was all over the mat? I must have missed that fight

I believe it was the Sobral fight. Which we never saw because the UFC wastes so much d-mn time on PPV's.

[mardigan]

Damn, just watched the Babalo fight, what a fucking asshole. he should be banned for that shit, or at least heavily, heavily fined

[Evan]

He lost half his purse 25k. Ouch!

[Evan]

Randy broke his arm during the fight. Tough as nails.

************************************************** ************

What’s happening in the world of mixed martial arts now …

By Loretta Hunt ([email protected]) and Brian Knapp

COUTURE BREAKS ARM

Even Superman feels it from time to time.

Following yet another feather-in-his-cap performance Saturday at UFC 74 in Las Vegas, real life superhero Randy Couture (16-8), was informed Sunday by doctors that he’d broken his arm during his third round TKO stoppage of Gabriel Gonzaga (8-2).

Couture, 44, sustained the injury Saturday blocking a Gonzaga right high kick with his left forearm, cleanly separating the ulna bone with a “nightstick fracture,” a break common in law enforcement circles. The injury placed the UFC heavyweight champion’s arm in a splint for six weeks. The appendage will not need a cast.

“It’s not displaced, so the doctors think it will reattach in about a week and a half,” said Couture, who embarks on a South African adventure to shoot a leading role in major motion picture “The Scorpion King – The Akkadian” in nearly six weeks. It is believed the injury will not effect Couture’s shooting schedule.

To watch Couture's reaction of his bout and for a re-cap of all the fights, check out The Fight Network's original series "After The Bell" in the homepage's video player.

http://thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=4673

[Soul_Patch]

Apparently Heath bated bablu a bit at the weigh in, then wore a shirt with a mug shot pic of sobral from some arrest...

So Sobral decided it was best to put this bitch to sleep...and did so...Poor sport, but he was out to make a statement.

[IX_Equilibrium]

Who the hell is that?
And does anyone knopw whos blood was all over the mat? I must have missed that fight

Mir

Mir's wife

David Heath's blood

[desflood]

Couture, 44, sustained the injury Saturday blocking a Gonzaga right high kick with his left forearm, cleanly separating the ulna bone with a “nightstick fracture,” a break common in law enforcement circles.
I had to laugh just a little. I remember seeing that kick and commenting out loud, "Wow, you could break your arm blocking a kick like that. That's what happened to Forrest Griffin."

[2centsworth]

http://i16.tinypic.com/6ast348.gif


heath looks half dead. Belongs with the Mcsorleys and Offermans of the world.

[Evan]

They will make an example out of him and they should.


************************************************** ******

Here is mmaweekly.com's rankings....BS where Randy is...

In my opinion he needs to be at 2

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Mirko Cro Cop

4. Josh Barnett

5. Randy Couture

6. Gabriel Gonzaga

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Andrei Arlovski

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Aleksander Emelianenko

[oligarchy]

They will make an example out of him and they should.


************************************************** ******

Here is mmaweekly.com's rankings....BS where Randy is...

In my opinion he needs to be at 2

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Mirko Cro Cop

4. Josh Barnett

5. Randy Couture

6. Gabriel Gonzaga

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Andrei Arlovski

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Aleksander Emelianenko

What do you think he should be ranked at? I don't know if CC should be 3.

[LEONARD]

I'm a little late...had a business trip to Deleware Sun-Tues...

First off, great night of fights. Second, my picks/bets sucked... :lol

Hugely disappointed in Grove. He should've pushed for a takedown much harder. Damn those punches behind the ear will mess you up...

Glad we got to see Leites...I was impressed with Jensen actually, but he must've learned his armbar defense from Lindland... :lol Leites is a MW to watch in the (near) future...

Crane made it interesting early at least...Huerta showed excellent sub defense and cardio. I thought he might be in trouble a couple times but he powered thru. The end of the fight was just sad to watch...would've been more sad had Huerta not been able to finish Crane off given how gas'd he was. Huerta is still over-rated until he fights a top 20 LW in my opinion. Surely that will happen in his next fight...SURELY!!

Kurt vs Joe was a good fight...no shame in losing to Joe.

Very impressed with GSP. His gameplan was perfect...great to see Koscheck's talk before the fight about their wrestling abilities and then get taken down and held down several times. I think GSP will beat whoever wins Matt vs Matt in Dec...

and Randy...I was very happy that he won...there are so many fights that I'd rather see with him than Gonzaga (I can't pinpoint why, but he annoys the hell out of me!). Randy is the man. However, it does take a little from the win to have Gonzaga's nose crushed by Randy's head on the slam. I don't know if people are bitching or not (I haven't looked at any forums yet) but you could argue it as a no contest (ie, Fedor vs Nog 2). I know they'd never do that to Randy, especially in a title fight...but technically speaking, it was an incidental headbutt that caused significant damage. My thoughts on it are tough shit...don't let a guy that's 25 lbs lighter slam you on your back. The broken nose certainly impacted Gonzaga, but he was still throwing kicks and punches that had me fearing a viscious KO. The headkick that Randy took about 30 seconds before the end of the fight looked like an ender live...very impressive that he walked thru it. The broken nose took away from the fight for me...although seeing Gonzaga spitting blood down Randy's back was quite an image...

Downloading the undercard fights now... :fro (have already read the play by play on them)


Roger Huerta - no more hating, Leonard! Pure genius, using the screen to locate Crane's head and pound on it some more. Had all of us here rolling on the floor laughing.

Side note, Joe Stevenson actually had his jaw broken during his bout last night.

My thoughts on Huerta are above...

Stevenson broke his nose actually...which sucks, because it puts a Nov title fight with BJ in jeopardy due to his medical suspension, training time, etc...
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/28/nsac-issues-ufc-74-medical-suspensions-randy-couture-doesnt-expect-to-fight-again-in-2007/

Lots of injuries at UFC 74...


Score one for the old dudes. Randy Couture is (still) the baddest man on the planet!

He's the man, but he hasn't proven to be the "baddest man on the planet" yet...he has to fight Fedor. You know, the guy that Randy said this about after beating Sylvia...

"Fedor is the best pfp fighter in the world"
-Randy Couture, UFC HW Champion

I'm afraid Fedor has signed with K-1 Hero's though...maybe we'll at least get to see Fedor vs Barnett, assuming Josh follows him there...

For the record, I'd pull for Fedor if he fought Randy...but if Randy win it'd be cool as hell too...


i read on sherdog that herb dean stopped another fight early? i heard gonzaga was protecting him self and randy was punching his arm and shit

Try...I don't know...watching the fight maybe? :lol


What the fuck was up with that dude choking after the Tap? He should be suspended for a long ass time.

He was docked $25k of his $50k...and everybody boo'd him. Fuck Babalu...I've officially turned on him now...

[LEONARD]

UFC 74 Stuff

Josh Barnett rains on Couture's parade...kinda have to agree with him, but not because Josh has the belt...he tested positive for roids after beating Randy. But Dana saying that nobody in the world can beat Randy is ridiculous. Maybe he's just trying to sway Fedor to sign...
http://www.mmahaven.com/2007/08/28/josh-barnett-ufc-heavyweight-title-not-in-my-eyes/

Randy is requesting a fight with Fedor...
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/7155740

Couture and Guida will be on Beatdown Radio today
http://www.sherdog.com/news/radio.asp?id=296

Salaries (before anybody bitches...most, and probably all, are making much more than this)
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/27/ufc-74-salaries-paydays-for-randy-couture-georges-st-pierre-and-other-fighters/

Sherdog wrap-up
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8768

Pictures
http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=8753

Minute by Minute (funny)
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8756

Cote video interview
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1245

Guida video interview
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1244

GSP likely to get title shot in first UFC Canada event
http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/08/27/georges-st-pierres-title-shot-likely-to-come-in-canada/

Clay Guida's striking...funny
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/8/28/161722/149

Crocop is in the HW title picture if he beats Kongo according to Dana
http://ufcmania.com/2007/08/28/ufc-75-mirko-cro-cop-in-the-title-picture-with-win-over-cheick-kongo/

Dana guarantees that Brock Lesnar will be signed by the UFC
http://ufcmania.com/2007/08/27/ufc-quick-quote-dana-white-guarantees-brock-lesnar-signing/

[mardigan]

Yo leo, do you know how Lesnar has done in his other fights? Any videos of them?

And I agree with you , no one in he world? Ridiculous.
Fedor, Nog, Barnett, could probably all take Randy imo, but I guess we will have to wait and see

Also, do you know if that streetfighter guy who has been training with Bas and who beat that boxer will be in the UFC?

[LEONARD]

Yo leo, do you know how Lesnar has done in his other fights? Any videos of them?

And I agree with you , no one in he world? Ridiculous.
Fedor, Nog, Barnett, could probably all take Randy imo, but I guess we will have to wait and see

Also, do you know if that streetfighter guy who has been training with Bas and who beat that boxer will be in the UFC?

Lesnar is only 1-0 in MMA and he fought a can...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fe1p_brock-lesnar-mma-debut_sport

Kimbo is fighting Tank Abbott Oct 12th...
http://www.cagefuryfighting.com/fightcard.php

I don't expect to see him in the UFC anytime soon, if ever...he's a wildcard at this point...

[mardigan]

Thanks for the links.
How do you think Lesnar will do?

[LEONARD]

By the way, Babalu's $25k is just being held at this point...hasn't officially been fined until they review his comments...


Thanks for the links.
How do you think Lesnar will do?

No problem...

Who knows...he's a legit wrestler, but beyond that who knows.

[LEONARD]

Fedor's people are in the US this week trying to workout a deal according to Beatdown Radio...

[LEONARD]

I don't think you'll recoup your original bets. I think you had 128 in wagers, but after the bets and returns, i'm saying you'll have about 80. That's my prediction. :)

Turned $128 into $101... :lol

Thinking about putting it all on Bisping at UFC 75 at -225 against Hamill...

[oligarchy]

Turned $128 into $101... :lol

Thinking about putting it all on Bisping at UFC 75 at -225 against Hamill...

Not too bad -- it was the grove bet that screwed you up. I wouldn't have bet that much on him. There was just this little voice that said (Cote by a lucky strike) on this one.

I was definitely wrong about the Gonzaga fight, though you could blame it on the nose. Still, not a reason to not give Randy the credit. If Gonzaga didn't grab the fence like he did, it would have been much better. Besides, it wasn't Randy's head, it was Gonzaga's own knee. I thought it was Randy's head, but my friend said, "No way, it was his own knee." We kept replaying the one angle, which you definitely can't discern. If you look at the other angle, from Gonzaga's side against the fence, you can clearly see Randy's head starts under his chin and moves toward Gonzaga's armpit.

The only fight that suprised me was Aurelio. He's had two good fights again Gomi -- of course one was a loss, but a good fight none the less. Bad night for Aurelio or is Clay that good?

[oligarchy]

Thinking about putting it all on Bisping at UFC 75 at -225 against Hamill...

This is a weird fight.
Fight Prediction:
Bisping with solid strikes, but never hurting Hamill. Hamill with a few takedowns, but great control from the bottom by Bisping causing the fight to be stood up. Re-read that first sentence multiple times because it's a film loop. :)

[Evan]

Thanks for the links.
How do you think Lesnar will do?


All depends on where he trains, his cardio (which I suspect) and desire to be a real fighter and not a showpiece.

[LEONARD]

"After the Bell" on The Fight Network...6 parts. Includes interviews and press conf stuff...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XOBQwhuXqgc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ZqcrmaFH4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F_mBy-hCRxk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPPaxgphfbA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cte9Gj75Me4http://youtube.com/watch?v=9P03icOp4BM

Randy still says it was his head that crushed GG's nose...