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duncan228
08-16-2007, 01:07 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dreamteams/08/06/mlb.alltime/index.html

My All-Time Team
Cobb, Hornsby, Ruth are among the best of the best

By Tom Verducci

This week SI.com let four writers live out a GM's dream. The assignment? Pick three Dream Teams in each of the four major team sports: one for the best of all-time, one built to win right now and one built for five years from now. Each team features a complete roster of players, including reserves, as well as coaches. Check out our experts' picks, then weigh in with your thoughts.

It wasn't always better back in "the good old days." My 25-man roster for my all-time team includes seven active players -- five of them pitchers. That seems counterintuitive for a hitter-friendly era that will go down in history for its performance-enhancing drugs, retro (smaller) ballparks and infatuation with the home run. But that's all the more reason to appreciate what Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez and Mariano Rivera have done.

The rules are pretty simple here: I picked the guys I thought to be the best at their position -- and yes, that means leftfield, centerfield and rightfield, not three generic "outfield" spots. I allowed a little more license with the bench spots. For instance, I'd rather have Sandy Koufax coming out of the pen than Jesse Orosco, a true lefthanded specialist. So have at it: Feel free to disagree with my all-time team.

INFIELDERS

C | Josh Gibson | Pittsburgh Crawfords (1930-37), Homestead Grays (1937-46)
Gibson might never have been granted the chance to play in the major leagues -- he died three months before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in 1947 -- but that's no reason to keep him off this team. Satchel Paige called Gibson "the greatest hitter who ever lived." Gibson hit almost 800 home runs over a 17-year career in the Negro Leagues, some of those blasts estimated at more than 500 feet. He hit .426 in all recorded at-bats against big league pitchers.

1B | Lou Gehrig | New York Yankees (1923-39)
So devastating a hitter was Gehrig that in a 13-year span his worst totals included 112 RBIs, 115 runs, 92 walks, a .410 OBP and a .523 slugging percentage.

2B | Rogers Hornsby | St. Louis Cardinals (1915-26, '33), New York Giants (1927), Boston Braves (1928), Chicago Cubs (1929-32), St. Louis Browns (1933-37)
The Rajah just might be the greatest right-handed hitter who ever lived -- he does own the highest career-adjusted OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage) of all right-handed hitters. Two Triple Crowns, two home run titles, seven batting titles, nine slugging titles and that freakish .424 batting average in 1924, when he could have endured an 0-for-30 slump and still hit .400.

SS | Alex Rodriguez | Seattle Mariners (1994-2000), Texas Rangers (2001-03), New York Yankees (2004-present)
He deserves a place on the team and this is it. He did log eight full seasons at shortstop. Someday he should be the greatest home run hitter of all time as well as the all-time RBI champion.

3B | Mike Schmidt | Philadelphia Phillies (1972-89)
Here's why baseball is such a great, confounding game: At the age of 24 Schmidt was a career .197 hitter after more than 400 at-bats. Eight home run titles later -- and with 548 total dingers for his career -- Schmidt makes the all-time team.

OUTFIELDERS

LF | Ted Williams | Boston Red Sox (1939-42, '46-60)
A career .344 hitter with the highest slugging percentage of all time this side of Babe Ruth.

CF | Ty Cobb | Detroit Tigers (1905-26), Philadelphia Athletics (1927-28)
Better than Willie Mays? Yes, he was that good. Cobb won 11 batting titles, owns the highest career batting average in history (.366) and led the league in virtually every statistical category at least once.

RF | Babe Ruth | Boston Red Sox (1914-19), New York Yankees (1920-34), Boston Braves (1935)
Only one explanation is needed: the greatest player who ever lived.

PITCHERS

SP
Walter Johnson
Washington Senators (1907-27) SP
Cy Young
Cleveland Spiders (1890-98), St. Louis Cardinals (1899-1900), Boston Red Sox (1901-08), Cleveland Indians (1909-11), Boston Braves (1911) SP
Roger Clemens
Boston Red Sox (1984-96), Toronto Blue Jays (1997-98), New York Yankees (1999-2003, '07-present), Houston Astros (2004-06) SP
Lefty Grove
Philadelphia Athletics (1925-33), Boston Red Sox (1934-41) SP
Christy Mathewson
New York Giants (1900-16)
To make this rotation you need a spectacular peak and longevity. If Pedro Martinez can extend his career, he just might knock a legend out of this rotation.

CLOSER | Mariano Rivera | New York Yankees (1995-present)
The October component leaves him without competition. In 73 career postseason games, Rivera has been beaten once and thrown 112 2/3 innings with a 0.80 ERA.

MANAGER, COACHES

Manager | John McGraw | Managed Baltimore Orioles (1899-1902), New York Giants (1902-32)
Holds the all-time record with a career managerial mark of 815 wins over .500.

Pitching Coach | Johnny Sain | Pitcher from 1942 to '56 and pitching coach for six teams
Mentor to Leo Mazzone and others, the master of teaching the art of changing speeds.

Hitting Coach | Charley Lau | Catcher from 1956 to '67 and hitting coach for five teams
Popularized the "weight shift" style of hitting.

RESERVES

POSITION PLAYER COMMENT
CATCHER Pudge Rodriguez Mike Piazza may be the greatest-hitting catcher of all time, but Rodriguez is a stellar defender and a .303 hitter who will chase 3,000 hits.

INFIELDERS Stan Musial
Honus Wagner Musial remains one of the most underrated great players in history.

OUTFIELDERS Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Mickey Mantle Not bad for backup outfieders, huh?

BULLPEN Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux
Randy Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Pete Alexander The modern pitchers, working in the greatest slugging era in history, deserve the recognition.

Phenomanul
08-24-2007, 01:45 PM
Where's Nolan Ryan???

Besides what's the fascination with accolades garnered in the 1800's?

Sportcamper
08-24-2007, 02:47 PM
Top 25 pitchers... (http://www.rankopedia.com/ZoneID=3/Step1/44.htm?origin=GoogleSports&gclid=CJajs73zjo4CFRpzYAodxjRK0w)

K-State Spur
08-24-2007, 07:16 PM
Where's Nolan Ryan???

Besides what's the fascination with accolades garnered in the 1800's?

Ryan was a great one, no doubt. But everybody on that list (and a few others - Warren Spahn, Tom Seaver, and Bob Gibson come to mind off the top of my head) deserves to be on there ahead of him.

You have to remember that the Ryan Express did have all the no-hitters and strikeout record, but he never won a Cy Young, has a good (but not great) career ERA+, also has the career walks allowed record by a huge margin, his WHIP was higher than many other hall-of-famers, and his career record is about .500.

A specimen, certainly a hall-of-famer, but probably not one of the top 15 pitchers of all-time.

samikeyp
08-24-2007, 07:40 PM
This is a great list.

I would have put Ryan and Gibson ahead of Johnson and Alexander, also I would start Brooks Robinson at 3rd.

Just my .02....still a hell of a list though.

DOMINATOR
08-24-2007, 10:23 PM
Ryan was a great one, no doubt. But everybody on that list (and a few others - Warren Spahn, Tom Seaver, and Bob Gibson come to mind off the top of my head) deserves to be on there ahead of him.

You have to remember that the Ryan Express did have all the no-hitters and strikeout record, but he never won a Cy Young, has a good (but not great) career ERA+, also has the career walks allowed record by a huge margin, his WHIP was higher than many other hall-of-famers, and his career record is about .500.

A specimen, certainly a hall-of-famer, but probably not one of the top 15 pitchers of all-time.
yep i agree with you... most strikeouts but 2nd most on career walks.

K-State Spur
08-24-2007, 11:17 PM
yep i agree with you... most strikeouts but 2nd most on career walks.

not 2nd, first. he walked almost 1000 more batters than steve carlton - who is #2 on the list.

T Park
08-25-2007, 03:43 AM
Gibby, Hornsby, Musial.

Amazing, how many great players this small little organization in St Louis has produced.

Now Pujols, edmonds and Rolen.

One of the cool things about baseball is all the history :)