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ChumpDumper
08-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Viewed from Iraq at the tail end of a 15-month deployment, the political debate in Washington is indeed surreal. Counterinsurgency is, by definition, a competition between insurgents and counterinsurgents for the control and support of a population. To believe that Americans, with an occupying force that long ago outlived its reluctant welcome, can win over a recalcitrant local population and win this counterinsurgency is far-fetched. As responsible infantrymen and noncommissioned officers with the 82nd Airborne Division soon heading back home, we are skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day. (Obviously, these are our personal views and should not be seen as official within our chain of command.)

The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. Yes, we are militarily superior, but our successes are offset by failures elsewhere. What soldiers call the “battle space” remains the same, with changes only at the margins. It is crowded with actors who do not fit neatly into boxes: Sunni extremists, Al Qaeda terrorists, Shiite militiamen, criminals and armed tribes. This situation is made more complex by the questionable loyalties and Janus-faced role of the Iraqi police and Iraqi Army, which have been trained and armed at United States taxpayers’ expense.

A few nights ago, for example, we witnessed the death of one American soldier and the critical wounding of two others when a lethal armor-piercing explosive was detonated between an Iraqi Army checkpoint and a police one. Local Iraqis readily testified to American investigators that Iraqi police and Army officers escorted the triggermen and helped plant the bomb. These civilians highlighted their own predicament: had they informed the Americans of the bomb before the incident, the Iraqi Army, the police or the local Shiite militia would have killed their families.

As many grunts will tell you, this is a near-routine event. Reports that a majority of Iraqi Army commanders are now reliable partners can be considered only misleading rhetoric. The truth is that battalion commanders, even if well meaning, have little to no influence over the thousands of obstinate men under them, in an incoherent chain of command, who are really loyal only to their militias.

Similarly, Sunnis, who have been underrepresented in the new Iraqi armed forces, now find themselves forming militias, sometimes with our tacit support. Sunnis recognize that the best guarantee they may have against Shiite militias and the Shiite-dominated government is to form their own armed bands. We arm them to aid in our fight against Al Qaeda.

However, while creating proxies is essential in winning a counterinsurgency, it requires that the proxies are loyal to the center that we claim to support. Armed Sunni tribes have indeed become effective surrogates, but the enduring question is where their loyalties would lie in our absence. The Iraqi government finds itself working at cross purposes with us on this issue because it is justifiably fearful that Sunni militias will turn on it should the Americans leave.

In short, we operate in a bewildering context of determined enemies and questionable allies, one where the balance of forces on the ground remains entirely unclear. (In the course of writing this article, this fact became all too clear: one of us, Staff Sergeant Murphy, an Army Ranger and reconnaissance team leader, was shot in the head during a “time-sensitive target acquisition mission” on Aug. 12; he is expected to survive and is being flown to a military hospital in the United States.) While we have the will and the resources to fight in this context, we are effectively hamstrung because realities on the ground require measures we will always refuse — namely, the widespread use of lethal and brutal force.

Given the situation, it is important not to assess security from an American-centered perspective. The ability of, say, American observers to safely walk down the streets of formerly violent towns is not a resounding indicator of security. What matters is the experience of the local citizenry and the future of our counterinsurgency. When we take this view, we see that a vast majority of Iraqis feel increasingly insecure and view us as an occupation force that has failed to produce normalcy after four years and is increasingly unlikely to do so as we continue to arm each warring side.

Coupling our military strategy to an insistence that the Iraqis meet political benchmarks for reconciliation is also unhelpful. The morass in the government has fueled impatience and confusion while providing no semblance of security to average Iraqis. Leaders are far from arriving at a lasting political settlement. This should not be surprising, since a lasting political solution will not be possible while the military situation remains in constant flux.

The Iraqi government is run by the main coalition partners of the Shiite-dominated United Iraqi Alliance, with Kurds as minority members. The Shiite clerical establishment formed the alliance to make sure its people did not succumb to the same mistake as in 1920: rebelling against the occupying Western force (then the British) and losing what they believed was their inherent right to rule Iraq as the majority. The qualified and reluctant welcome we received from the Shiites since the invasion has to be seen in that historical context. They saw in us something useful for the moment.

Now that moment is passing, as the Shiites have achieved what they believe is rightfully theirs. Their next task is to figure out how best to consolidate the gains, because reconciliation without consolidation risks losing it all. Washington’s insistence that the Iraqis correct the three gravest mistakes we made — de-Baathification, the dismantling of the Iraqi Army and the creation of a loose federalist system of government — places us at cross purposes with the government we have committed to support.

Political reconciliation in Iraq will occur, but not at our insistence or in ways that meet our benchmarks. It will happen on Iraqi terms when the reality on the battlefield is congruent with that in the political sphere. There will be no magnanimous solutions that please every party the way we expect, and there will be winners and losers. The choice we have left is to decide which side we will take. Trying to please every party in the conflict — as we do now — will only ensure we are hated by all in the long run.

At the same time, the most important front in the counterinsurgency, improving basic social and economic conditions, is the one on which we have failed most miserably. Two million Iraqis are in refugee camps in bordering countries. Close to two million more are internally displaced and now fill many urban slums. Cities lack regular electricity, telephone services and sanitation. “Lucky” Iraqis live in gated communities barricaded with concrete blast walls that provide them with a sense of communal claustrophobia rather than any sense of security we would consider normal.

In a lawless environment where men with guns rule the streets, engaging in the banalities of life has become a death-defying act. Four years into our occupation, we have failed on every promise, while we have substituted Baath Party tyranny with a tyranny of Islamist, militia and criminal violence. When the primary preoccupation of average Iraqis is when and how they are likely to be killed, we can hardly feel smug as we hand out care packages. As an Iraqi man told us a few days ago with deep resignation, “We need security, not free food.”

In the end, we need to recognize that our presence may have released Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but that it has also robbed them of their self-respect. They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call us what we are — an army of occupation — and force our withdrawal.

Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters, to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins but let them resolve their differences as they see fit. This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.

We need not talk about our morale. As committed soldiers, we will see this mission through.

Buddhika Jayamaha is an Army specialist. Wesley D. Smith is a sergeant. Jeremy Roebuck is a sergeant. Omar Mora is a sergeant. Edward Sandmeier is a sergeant. Yance T. Gray is a staff sergeant. Jeremy A. Murphy is a staff sergeant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html

ChumpDumper
08-20-2007, 07:47 PM
They aren't bloggers, but I thought they might have made a point or two.

The Mole
08-20-2007, 07:51 PM
It sounds like there are moles everywhere over there!

PixelPusher
08-20-2007, 08:33 PM
Yoni will be calling for their arrest and execution for treason, shortly.

Ocotillo
08-20-2007, 09:03 PM
On Hardball tonight, guest host Mike Barnicle was asking should the troops be allowed to express their opinion in the media like this. Boy, it's ok to use these guys as props for some politicians agenda but the second someone expresses an opinion that doesn't comport with the establishment thinking, it's "who the hell do these guys think they are?".

Bunz
08-20-2007, 09:20 PM
Exactly. They are just the soldiers fighting for us. They have the right to say whatever the fuck they want

boutons_
08-20-2007, 11:12 PM
"whatever the fuck they want"

There is no freedom of speech in the military. These guys could be in deep shit with the military publishing such an article.

atxrocker
08-20-2007, 11:22 PM
yeah. because the truth sucks. bring em on. right?

medstudent
08-20-2007, 11:34 PM
"whatever the fuck they want"

There is no freedom of speech in the military. These guys could be in deep shit with the military publishing such an article.

Not true. Officers have restrictions on free speech. Not enlisted men, as long as its not classified or endangering troops in the field.

DarkReign
08-21-2007, 08:54 AM
Not true. Officers have restrictions on free speech. Not enlisted men, as long as its not classified or endangering troops in the field.

Good info. Thanks.

PixelPusher
08-21-2007, 02:56 PM
Not true. Officers have restrictions on free speech. Not enlisted men, as long as its not classified or endangering troops in the field.
In General Petraeus, we trust.

Wild Cobra
08-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Not true. Officers have restrictions on free speech. Not enlisted men, as long as its not classified or endangering troops in the field.
Really? Have things changed since I was in? I see it more likely that the code applies equally to both, but officers are held more accountable. Could that be the case?

Now I could also see such things taking place, and limiting the speech of officers over enlisted. Also, it depends to what degree. To my knowledge the speech issue applies equally to officer and enlisted. As far as I know, either can recount unclassified situations, but neither can publicly offer dissent of a political nature.

So many things have gone downhill in the military since president Clinton was commander in chief. The standards being changed really wouldn’t surprise me.

ChumpDumper
08-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Yeah, good thing Bush fixed everything with the military the past six years.

Wild Cobra
08-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Yeah, good thing Bush fixed everything with the military the past six years.
I don't know what you mean, but I don't recall president Bush making many changes either way with the military.

ChumpDumper
08-21-2007, 06:42 PM
Exactly.

boutons_
08-21-2007, 07:10 PM
dubya and dickhead KNEW, before the 2000 election, that they were going into Iraq as soon as they could, but they DID NOTHING to build up the military that WC says Clinton destroyed (with Repug Congressional approval in the90s) and Rummy was in cahoots with his desk-jockey bullshit concept of a smaller (cheaper), lighter, fast-moving, high-tech Army rather than the Powell Doctrine.

The Iraqi Army and police aren't ready after many $Bs of training and equipment, the Iraqi govt democractically reflects the population, irretrievably divided.

"pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities."

Badly put, but the msesage is clear.

medstudent
08-21-2007, 08:15 PM
Really? Have things changed since I was in? I see it more likely that the code applies equally to both, but officers are held more accountable. Could that be the case?

Now I could also see such things taking place, and limiting the speech of officers over enlisted. Also, it depends to what degree. To my knowledge the speech issue applies equally to officer and enlisted. As far as I know, either can recount unclassified situations, but neither can publicly offer dissent of a political nature.

So many things have gone downhill in the military since president Clinton was commander in chief. The standards being changed really wouldn’t surprise me.

UCMJ Article 88:

"Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Articles 89 and 91 apply to all soldiers and prohibit disrespect toward a superior commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

So, as long as the enlisted men direct their criticism toward their civilian superiors, they are not punishable. It has been that way since 1950, so it was that way when you served, unless you served before 1950?

Wild Cobra
08-21-2007, 10:32 PM
So, as long as the enlisted men direct their criticism toward their civilian superiors, they are not punishable. It has been that way since 1950, so it was that way when you served, unless you served before 1950?
I don't think that's exactly right. First of all, Article 88 applies to contempt, not critisism, and specific to officers. It even defines contempt as:


“Contemptuous” means insulting, rude, disdainful or otherwise disrespectfully attributing to another qualities of meanness, disreputableness, or worthlessness.

This falls in line with having higher standards for officers than enlisted. Consider these two:

§ 907. Art. 107. False official statements


Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other official document, knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

§ 934. Art. 134. General article


Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Either of these two articles can and have been used against both officer and enlisted soldiers who either lie about the military or criticize any level of superiors.

medstudent
08-21-2007, 11:23 PM
I see. Good pick up.

My only point was that UCMJ tries to explicitly distinguish between officers and enlisted men in Article 88. The officers are held to a higher standard than enlisted, but they are all held accountable to being honest and fair.

IMO, the 82nd's article above is just an opinion. It is an informative elucidation of their experiences and what they feel needs to be done in the war. It is neither contemptuous nor critical of their superiors in any way.

But under those codes you supplied, they can still give an opinion, as long as its truthful and devoid of contempt.

Wild Cobra
08-22-2007, 12:58 AM
IMO, the 82nd's article above is just an opinion. It is an informative elucidation of their experiences and what they feel needs to be done in the war. It is neither contemptuous nor critical of their superiors in any way.

But under those codes you supplied, they can still give an opinion, as long as its truthful and devoid of contempt.
I think that's a fair assessment. As long as they do not twist the facts or use inflammatory language against others. Military personnel are usually very cautious not to get involved in what can be considered political debate. Where they can be prosecuted is if they were to fabricate the truth or leave out important mitigating facts opposing what the portray. As long as they are accurate with the facts, and can show such. They should be safe from repercussions. However, if they piss of anyone, from the left, or the right. They chance being charged under article 134, the catch-all clause, if they portray anything inaccurate.

Enlisted can be charged for the same things that are specified in article 88. It just wouldn't be as severe as a punishment. Leaders are expected to lean by example. It would likely be charged under article 134 rather than article 88.

ChumpDumper
08-22-2007, 01:09 AM
So are these guys going to be tried for treason or what?

Wild Cobra
08-22-2007, 01:36 AM
So are these guys going to be tried for treason or what?
Treason, of course not. Most of the work is an accurate and fair assesment, and they also state this as an opinion. I noted one part that they could get in trouble over, but it was so minor, I doubt any action would be taken or that a line was crossed. If they are still in either an active or reserve status, I'll bet they did recieve a notice of sorts as a caution that they came close to crossing a line.

ChumpDumper
08-22-2007, 01:39 AM
Well, fantastic.

Wild Cobra
08-22-2007, 01:52 AM
Well, fantastic.
You have to remember who this is coming from and keep it in perspective. These guys are from the 82nd Airborne. They are, along with the "Screaming Eagles" (101st Airborne) likely the most elite of the regular army combat forces. Therefore, they get the hardest assignments.

I think if you had similar people writing from other units in other locations, you would have other fair assessments that are better then these guys reported. What they see and talk about is their little piece of a complex situation. If they are in one of the worse locations, then doesn't this report sound good for the circumstances?

ChumpDumper
08-22-2007, 01:54 AM
What they see and talk about is their little piece of a complex situation.Like Yoni's bloggers?

Fantastic.

boutons_
08-22-2007, 09:32 AM
"their little piece of a complex situation."

... which totally sucks. They are NOT reporting an isolated situation atypical of the total shit-hole.

The unending, ever more complex situation in Iraq is NOT a US- military-solvable problem, as Petraeus has said all along, since the US military can't solve social/sectarian/political problems which are THE problems that need solving.

Today we see dubya NOT endorsing Maliki, who is pretty much dead meat. Petraeus will probably give a overall picture of the surge having improved security in those limited areas where it was applied, while saying that improved security has not been used by Iraqi politicians to progress. I expect that NONE of the 18 benchmarks will have been achieved or even be seen as been progressed towards.

After Petraeus report effectively condemns Maliki, I expect dubya will make moves that will undermine or remove Maliki, which asks, who can do better in an undo-able situation?

clambake
08-22-2007, 10:05 AM
I think if you had similar people writing from other units in other locations, you would have other fair assessments that are better then these guys reported. What they see and talk about is their little piece of a complex situation. If they are in one of the worse locations, then doesn't this report sound good for the circumstances?
Absolutely. Like, if we could get some "hotbed frontline combat" reports from, say, the guys working an antenna field, or some boring coffee mug command center chatter. At least they get to hear the action on speakers.

1369
08-22-2007, 10:58 AM
Interesting front line account from a Marine (http://badgerjake.blogspot.com/)