Bill O'Reilly blasts VA Tech president for allowing Nas to perform at concert

[Fillmoe_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwDV1z6hqLs

[TheSanityAnnex]

Since when is Nas a gangster rapper?

[Fillmoe_]

its NAZ!

[Soul_Patch]

Although i really despise bill oriely. He does have a point.

[Soul_Patch]

This is a great response clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOz2XeCAyA&watch_response

[BacktoBasics]

He has a point but he makes no sense backing it up. Nas having a gun conviction ultimately has nothing to do with what happened in VT. He makes very poor corralations for the sake of being arguementative, its pointless and then he cuts everyone off when they try to justify their stance. I can't stand how he simply talks over everyone like their beneath him. How in the world shit like this has become journalism is beyond me. Too bad that author couldn't reach through the screen and bitch slap him.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Although i really despise bill oriely. He does have a point.What is his point? He doesn't have one. He is so misinformed its not even funny.

[BacktoBasics]

This is a great response clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOz2XeCAyA&watch_responseNail...Head...Direct hit!!!!!

[Soul_Patch]

He has an argument, but he argues it horribly. I dont know much about NAS, but if he has any music glorifying violence, or is a violent person himself, it really has no place around that event.

Now, Bill Oriely is a piece of shit, and doesnt do anything to help his argument, he only ruins it...

[Fillmoe_]

I agree he does have a point. But the way he goes about proving his point is ignorant as fuck. Number 1 he can't even pronounce his name right, number 2, Nas isn't a "gangster rapper", Number 3, if it was Quentin Tarantino no one would think twice about it. White violence is art, Black Violence is barbaric.

You can take lyrics from almost any artist and portray them as negative ones. I agree Nas has had his share of songs about guns, coke, bitches etc etc. But he has also had songs like "I Can" "Thugz Mansion" "One Mic" "Can't Forget About You" and on and on. Also I am sure he would pick songs that wouldn't remind people of shootings, hes not an idiot.

[Soul_Patch]

I agree he does have a point. But the way he goes about proving his point is ignorant as fuck. Number 1 he can't even pronounce his name right, number 2, Nas isn't a "gangster rapper", Number 3, if it was Quentin Tarantino no one would think twice about it. White violence is art, Black Violence is barbaric.

You can take lyrics from almost any artist and portray them as negative ones. I agree Nas has had his share of songs about guns, coke, bitches etc etc. But he has also had songs like "I Can" "Thugz Mansion" "One Mic" "Can't Forget About You" and on and on. Also I am sure he would pick songs that wouldn't remind people of shootings, hes not an idiot.


yep..exactly.

[Fillmoe_]

I just watched the response clip you posted. I love the ending.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

He has an argument, but he argues it horribly. I dont know much about NAS, but if he has any music glorifying violence, or is a violent person himself, it really has no place around that event.

Now, Bill Oriely is a piece of shit, and doesnt do anything to help his argument, he only ruins it...



You save the world everytime you walk in the room
What you do
You alone could save our soul
Just your smile makes me think that I could
Kill the king, Kill the king
Just your laugh makes me know that I could
Kill the king, kill him

[Spurminator]

This is a great response clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaOz2XeCAyA&watch_response


Awesome

It's not about the songs! :lol

[Fillmoe_]

this made me want to post this.........


http://youtube.com/watch?v=CnhUYWbW3jQ

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=129719&ran=228976&tref=rss

Free Virginia Tech concert stirs vocal protests from parents

By CHRISTINA NUCKOLS AND MALCOLM VENABLE,
© August 4, 2007

RICHMOND

Families who lost children in the April 16 Virginia Tech massacre said Friday they are troubled that a free concert next month will feature a rapper known for his violent and profane lyrics.

The concert is being organized by members of the Dave Matthews Band, who proposed it as a show of support for Virginia Tech after a student gunman murdered 32 students and professors and then killed himself.

Also slated to perform are John Mayer, Phil Vassar and New York rapper Nas, who is at the center of the controversy.

A 1999 song by Nas includes the lyrics: "Let the trigger blow, seven shots now he lying on the ground. Blood on the floor. Then we shot some more."

Holly Sherman, whose daughter Leslie was shot to death, said she was unfamiliar with Nas before this week.

"I must agree that the lyrics are very inappropriate for ANY occasion, especially an occasion associated with such sorrow," she wrote in an e-mail to The Virginian-Pilot.

Sherman said she hopes Nas will "tone down the lyrics in light of recent events."

"He is generous to do this for free; he means well. Maybe a compromise can be reached."

Other grieving parents were so angered that they called for the concert to be canceled.

"Virginia Tech should be spending time making it safe for the students coming back to school instead of having a party," said Grafton Peterson, whose daughter Erin was among the victims.

Ambrosia Healy, a publicist for the Dave Matthews Band, issued a statement saying that band members selected the concert lineup to include multiple music styles.

The statement defended the choices, saying, "Nas is a positive force in hip-hop. Over the course of his albums, many of which have included storytelling about the violence of inner-city life, he has evolved into a spokesman for change. His actions stand out as a true lesson in how conflict can be resolved with words."

Nas has won acclaim for more positive musical efforts. His 2003 release, "I Can," features children rapping the chorus with him:

"I know I can (I know I can), be what I wanna be (be what I wanna be), if I work hard at it (if I work hard at it), I'll be where I wanna be (I'll be where I wanna be.)"

Many of the lyrics in his seven solo albums focus on his upbringing in New York as well as his own educational and spiritual growth.

At a concert in Norfolk earlier this year, he spoke to the audience about unifying people of all colors.

Cecelia Hovis, marketing manager for Virginia Tech, said the university will not interfere with the concert lineup.

Hovis said free tickets will be provided to students, faculty, staff and recent Tech graduates. She said some additional tickets will be sold, but the price has not yet been decided. She said proceeds from those sales and the sale of T-shirts will be used to cover the university's costs for hosting the concert. "We're not raising money here," she said.

That has not satisfied some families who are suspicious about the concert's finances.

Vincent Bove, a spokesman representing seven of the victims' families, including the parents of Nicole White of Smithfield, said university officials should apologize, exclude Nas from the concert and provide the families with detailed financial information about the event.

Christina Nuckols, (804) 221-5016, [email protected]

Malcolm Venable, (757) 446-2662, [email protected]

[Fillmoe_]

"i got dirt on you doggie"

[Spurminator]

It's good that there are people out there like Bill O'Reilly to get people pissed off about things that they wouldn't have even known about otherwise. Lord knows there's not enough bullshit going on in our own lives to be angry with.

[ggoose25]

"how do you know how much money I'm makin?"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Holly Sherman, whose daughter Leslie was shot to death, said she was unfamiliar with Nas before this week.

"I must agree that the lyrics are very inappropriate for ANY occasion, especially an occasion associated with such sorrow," she wrote in an e-mail to The Virginian-Pilot.

Sherman said she hopes Nas will "tone down the lyrics in light of recent events."

I'm almost 100% positive he won't be singing about guns.:rolleyes

[Hoover]

Bill O'Reilly sucks.

[ShoogarBear]

I wonder if there would have been any uproar if Johnny Cash was still alive and invited to play?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Nas should just save himself from the embarassment - DMB is in a different realm, way better than him.

[Fillmoe_]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1iRdarN6WY


FUCK BILL HOEREILLY

[jaespur21]

Nas, like the previous poster said..... has plenty of uplifting and positive message tunes. fuck bill o reilly for disrespecting nas. i would bet money that nas has done for the community than bill oreilly has

[Kermit]

Nas should just save himself from the embarassment - DMB is in a different realm, way better than him.
:lol Sure they are.

[jaespur21]

DMB is awesome no doubt but Nas is one of the Top Storytellers of my generation. his rhymes are insanely creative and just paints a picture that i can imagine what radio in the 30-40s was like bcuz his rhymes r so vivid.

[Thunder Dan]

O'Reilly is a fucking idiot, I laugh at people who actually agree with what he says. I love the trinkets he sells on his website too. How many retards walk around with "The Spin Stops Here" coffee cup?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Nas should just save himself from the embarassment - DMB is in a different realm, way better than him.

They invited Nas.

[Thunder Dan]

Nas should just save himself from the embarassment - DMB is in a different realm, way better than him.
I hope you were joking

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I hope you were joking

I hope you're joking about asking me if i was joking

[Ronaldo McDonald]

They invited Nas.

yup, and he should turn it down, he'd save himself from looking like the lesser talentled "musician"

edit:

and not to mention his musics' message is in conflict with what is going to take place at VT

[Phil Hellmuth]

yup, and he should turn it down, he'd save himself from looking like the lesser talentled "musician"

edit:

and not to mention his musics' message is in conflict with what is going to take place at VT

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, plz shut up.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

go listen to ur cRAP

[Thunder Dan]

go listen to ur cRAP


anyone that thinks Dave Matthews is good has no right to call anything else crap. I don't even care for Nas, but I hate Dave Matthews and will devote my life to letting every frat boy and 20-something chick know that he isn't a god of music like they worship him to be. Crappy lyrics and predictable music, thats Dave Matthews in a nutshell. Mabye if Dave Matthews grew a pair of nuts and stopped being such pussy people would take him with credibility; but as of now the only people who do are middle aged women who listen to top 40, frat boys who liked rap their whole life and think that Dave Matthews is the perfect soundtrack to get drunk to, or people who think that anyone who can play guitar during a 15 minute song is a genius. DMB is just overrated, top 40- jam band bullshit.

read this about DMB
http://www.citizinemag.com/culture/culture-0306_davematthews.htm

[Ronald McDonald]

yup, and he should turn it down, he'd save himself from looking like the lesser talentled "musician"

edit:

and not to mention his musics' message is in conflict with what is going to take place at VT

And to think guys like this use my name for an alias. *sigh*

[Spurminator]

Dave Matthews is neither as good nor as bad as a lot of people think.

I actually enjoy his first few albums, but I think a lot of his fans and his haters have formed an opinion of him based on the social group his music is often associated with. And that's kind of silly.

[ShoogarBear]

I think a lot of his fans and his haters have formed an opinion of him based on the social group his music is often associated with. Gee, you mean like rap?

[monosylab1k]

go listen to ur cRAP
actually, crap is what DMB gives to their fans, literally.

remember this? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0825042_dave_matthews_1.html

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Dave Matthews is neither as good nor as bad as a lot of people think.

I actually enjoy his first few albums, but I think a lot of his fans and his haters have formed an opinion of him based on the social group his music is often associated with. And that's kind of silly.

that's what i think.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

actually, crap is what DMB gives to their fans, literally.

remember this? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0825042_dave_matthews_1.html

:lol i remember that.

[Spurminator]

Gee, you mean like rap?


For the most part... Except I would argue that the thematic elements of a lot of rap perpetuate the link.

Dave Matthews, on the other hand, doesn't have any "let's get a few kegs and try to bang some freshman chicks" songs in his discography that I'm aware of.

It's hard to find DMB lyrics, even out of context, where you can go "See? He's glorifying the fratboy douchebag lifestyle!"

[Soul_Patch]

anyone that thinks Dave Matthews is good has no right to call anything else crap. I don't even care for Nas, but I hate Dave Matthews and will devote my life to letting every frat boy and 20-something chick know that he isn't a god of music like they worship him to be. Crappy lyrics and predictable music, thats Dave Matthews in a nutshell. Mabye if Dave Matthews grew a pair of nuts and stopped being such pussy people would take him with credibility; but as of now the only people who do are middle aged women who listen to top 40, frat boys who liked rap their whole life and think that Dave Matthews is the perfect soundtrack to get drunk to, or people who think that anyone who can play guitar during a 15 minute song is a genius. DMB is just overrated, top 40- jam band bullshit.


Wow, this take is so far off base its frightening. Fan or not of his music and / or fanbase...He and his entire band are absolutely fantastic muscians. There is not one person in his band would could be considered anything less than a top 5, in whatever instrument they play. They have MASSIVE song arrangments a lot of times, that are on par with orchestra level stuff. There is zero argument you can bring up that these guys are overrated muscians...none at all. Have you heard their drummer for god sake? it is seriously insane how good he is. Have you ever seen or heard them just freestyle on stage for 10 minutes, and how great they play together...that is not shoddy muscianship, its a boat load of talent.

His lyrics are impecable for the most part. I think he is one of the best lyricists around right now. He has fantastic topics, great structure to how he presents them...its a very far longshot to call him a bad lyricist...but at least this is more opinion then fact.


I dont necessiarly fit into the 40+ crowd or the fratboy crowd, and i could see you not liking that whole scene, but that has nothing to do with dave mathews or his band. I actually grew up as a fan of a lot of britrock, Stone Roses, Oasis, Charlatans, etc...I love pop, and electronica....but I am also a fan of good music in general...whether that be rock, country, salsa, rap, chanting, whatever...i like good music and well put together songs...therefore i really like dave mathews.

[Thunder Dan]

Wow, this take is so far off base its frightening. Fan or not of his music and / or fanbase...He and his entire band are absolutely fantastic muscians. There is not one person in his band would could be considered anything less than a top 5, in whatever instrument they play. They have MASSIVE song arrangments a lot of times, that are on par with orchestra level stuff. There is zero argument you can bring up that these guys are overrated muscians...none at all. Have you heard their drummer for god sake? it is seriously insane how good he is. Have you ever seen or heard them just freestyle on stage for 10 minutes, and how great they play together...that is not shoddy muscianship, its a boat load of talent.

His lyrics are impecable for the most part. I think he is one of the best lyricists around right now. He has fantastic topics, great structure to how he presents them...its a very far longshot to call him a bad lyricist...but at least this is more opinion then fact.


I dont necessiarly fit into the 40+ crowd or the fratboy crowd, and i could see you not liking that whole scene, but that has nothing to do with dave mathews or his band. I actually grew up as a fan of a lot of britrock, Stone Roses, Oasis, Charlatans, etc...I love pop, and electronica....but I am also a fan of good music in general...whether that be rock, country, salsa, rap, chanting, whatever...i like good music and well put together songs...therefore i really like dave mathews.


Thats why I hate Dave Matthews Band fans, they think that their band is some All-star band of musicians becuase they take a 4 minute song and turn it into a 15 minute jam. Just because DMB has a sax player in their band doesn't make them groundbreaking. As for top 5....I can name 250 better axeman than anyone in DMB, I can name 100 better drummers, and I can name 100 better bass players. Since I don't have time here are some lists, and suprisingly there are no DMB band members in the top 100, let alone the top 5.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time

http://www.journalism.ryerson.ca/online/javahub/words/firstfive.htm


Please go to a Pearl Jam show then tell me about how great the Dave Matthews freestyle is

[Spurminator]

Wow, you really hate DMB fans.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Agree with Thunder Dan. Calling all DMB musicians top 5 is a lonnnnnnnnnng stretch.

[Soul_Patch]

Pearl Jam is insanely good live too...but you seriously cannot take a knock at DMB as musicians.

Those lists are seriously lacking...How can you mention Alan White from oasis as an Honorable Mention, and have no mention of Carter Beuford, not even in honorable mention.

Hate the band and the fans all you want, but wow, he is seriously really really good.

[T Park]

:lol

the thread goes from a legit thing to a "rap sucks, no your music is tupid" arguement.

[Thunder Dan]

Wow, you really hate DMB fans.


I dont know. I have 3 DMB albums, and have seen them in concert twice. The reason I hate them is because people who like them think they have unlocked the secret to life by listening to DMB. They are fooled into thinking that DMB is the bees knees of musicl; when in fact, most of these people don't even listen to anything that resembles decent music.

I had a friend try to argue with me that DMB is better than the Rolling Stones, and that they are on par with the Beatles. This is how these crazy people think. They are fooled into thinking that DMB created their genre--which they didn't, Grateful Dead and Phish did-- and they also think that because a bunch of other people are crazy just like them that they are correct with their thinking.

[Soul_Patch]

lol...how can you have ringo star in the top 50....


the beatles were a great band, but the drums were seriously not very tough...i think my little sister could have played drums for the beatles.

hell the guy only had like 3 drums total...

[Spurminator]

Fair enough... I haven't really encountered anyone like that, but then again, I went to a college where a lot of students' music collection consisted entirely of Contemporary Christian selections.

[Thunder Dan]

lol...how can you have ringo star in the top 50....


the beatles were a great band, but the drums were seriously not very tough...i think my little sister could have played drums for the beatles.

hell the guy only had like 3 drums total...


yeah and the guy from Ratt had like 50 drums but he is still a hack

[Spurminator]

lol...how can you have ringo star in the top 50....


the beatles were a great band, but the drums were seriously not very tough...i think my little sister could have played drums for the beatles.

hell the guy only had like 3 drums total...


It's about context. Ringo was pretty revolutionary for his time. Compare "Strawberry Fields Forever" to other songs that came out in 1967.

[Soul_Patch]

I dont know. I have 3 DMB albums, and have seen them in concert twice. The reason I hate them is because people who like them think they have unlocked the secret to life by listening to DMB. They are fooled into thinking that DMB is the bees knees of musicl; when in fact, most of these people don't even listen to anything that resembles decent music.

I had a friend try to argue with me that DMB is better than the Rolling Stones, and that they are on par with the Beatles. This is how these crazy people think. They are fooled into thinking that DMB created their genre--which they didn't, Grateful Dead and Phish did-- and they also think that because a bunch of other people are crazy just like them that they are correct with their thinking.


I can agree with you here...thats really annoying...but they are really good, whether you admit it or not...the overzealous fans of any band can kind of ruin it in a way...just like tool fans think tool is some gift to intelectual rock...they are a great band, but cmon...their songs are almost all the exact same shit...lol...anyway...yea.. :spin

[cornbread]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time

Did anybody actually look at this list?

11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
17 Jack White of the White Stripes

70 Eddie Van Halen
:dizzy

I realize these lists are totally subjective but how can those guys be in the top 20 and EVH be #70?!

Not to mention that Joan Jett is 9 places ahead of Angus Young!!!

[Thunder Dan]

Fair enough... I haven't really encountered anyone like that, but then again, I went to a college where a lot of students' music collection consisted entirely of Contemporary Christian selections.


I'm not basing my opinion on sheer dislike for the band. I actually liked their music at one point; but all the crazy people that turned him into a god have turned me off on that band. If you listed every single band to ever record a album, and you listed them from best to worst, DMB would land smack dab in the middle. There are hundreds of hands better than them, and obviously some that are worse.

I remember not too long ago when I went off on Metallica on this board. Man how this reminds me of that :lol

[Spurminator]

RS lists make good toilet paper.

[Soul_Patch]

yea...they are totaly subjective...i agree with a small portion of them, and others are just so far off its crazy.

[Spurminator]

RS lists make good toilet paper.


I overstate a bit. I've actually discovered a lot of great music I wouldn't have heard otherwise because they were on RS' Top 500 Albums list...

But their lists are incredibly limited, with a clear bias towards US/UK rock music and the 60's and 70's.

[BeerIsGood!]

Did anybody actually look at this list?

11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
17 Jack White of the White Stripes

70 Eddie Van Halen
:dizzy

I realize these lists are totally subjective but how can those guys be in the top 20 and EVH be #70?!

Not to mention that Joan Jett is 9 places ahead of Angus Young!!!

It's Rolling Stone. The same publication that put 4 Beatles albums in their Top 500 Albums of all time list - including Sgt. Peppers #1. It's funny how the same year Sgt. Peppers came out a much more musically influential, and IMO all around better album came out - Cream's Disraeli Gears. 1st major use of the wah pedal in rock and some of the best, most creative rock drumming. It blows Sgt. Peppers completely out of the water.

[BeerIsGood!]

Eddie Van Halen is a complete dick, but he's done more for the guitar than anyone since Les Paul. The guy's an absolutely brilliant musician.

[MannyIsGod]

Arguing over music tastes is fairly pointless and never leads anywhere.

Anyway, that rebuttal to O'Reily was awesome.

[cornbread]

Arguing over music tastes is fairly pointless and never leads anywhere.
That could be said about any subject that people are passionate about so I will argue a little more. How the hell can they leave Slash totally off the list?! :bang

[Fillmoe_]

you fuck faces fucked up my thread

[E20]

Joe Satriani isn't even listed on that list.

[Spurminator]

It's Rolling Stone. The same publication that put 4 Beatles albums in their Top 500 Albums of all time list - including Sgt. Peppers #1. It's funny how the same year Sgt. Peppers came out a much more musically influential, and IMO all around better album came out - Cream's Disraeli Gears. 1st major use of the wah pedal in rock and some of the best, most creative rock drumming. It blows Sgt. Peppers completely out of the water.


More than that, there were 5 Beatles albums in the top 10 alone.

They also had both "With the Beatles" and "Meet the Beatles" on the list, and those are just UK and US versions of, essentially, the same album.

[Thunder Dan]

this is like 6 degrees on Bill O'Reilly. It started with Bill and now is naming the top guitar players and albums of all time. LOL Classic

[cornbread]

Joe Satriani isn't even listed on that list.
I noticed that too.

At least Joni Mitchell came in at #72. Two places below Van Halen and 12 places ahead of Tony Iommi. :wtf

[monosylab1k]

I think that list is for guys who play guitar, not masturbate with one.