Spurs Sign Ian Mahinmi (Now Official)

[stxspurs]

dont know if it was already announced but i just heard on the news :nerd

[Spurs16212]

Interesting..... If it is true... Welcome aboard.....

Good athleticism

[stxspurs]

hopefully he wont have any problems with his injury and contribute at least a little bit

[yavozerb]

Hope its true!!Well have to make some road trips to Austin.

[T Park]

no question, roadies to austin on spurs off nights would be a great idea.

[stxspurs]

Spurs Sign Ian Mahinmi


SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have signed Ian Mahinmi. The Spurs selected the 6-11, 230-pound Mahinmi in the first round of the 2005 NBA Draft, with the 28th overall pick.
The 20-year-old has played in the French A League for the last four seasons. Mahinmi signed with Pau-Orthez in the summer of 2006. During the 2006-07 season he averaged 4.3 points and 3.2 rebounds in 12.7 minutes in 33 games in French League action. Mahinmi also appeared in 18 Euroleague games averaging 3.7 points and 2.8 rebounds in 12.7 minutes in Euroleague play.

Prior to joining Pau-Orthez, Mahinmi spent three seasons with Le Havre in the French League. He made his professional debut with the team during the 2003-04 season.

[timvp]

It's on Spurs.com.

Nice signing. :smokin

[Bruno]

Good news, Mahinmi has some serious upside and he will be in a great situation to work on his game between Spurs and Toros.

Mahinmi could see some garbage time with Spurs this year. If Spurs do like last year, Horry won't play both games of a b2b. Spurs could activate Mahinmi when Horry doesn't play a game. Spurs could put Mahinmi in Austin when Spurs don't have a lot of b2bs.

[yavozerb]

What kind salary is Mahinmi probably going to get, any suggestions?

[timvp]

What kind salary is Mahinmi probably going to get, any suggestions?Around $850K most likely.

[angel_luv]

Welcome Ian. :)

[Bruno]

What kind salary is Mahinmi probably going to get, any suggestions?

$938,760

[timvp]

I'm glad the Spurs didn't try to keep him overseas one final year to stretch out the amount of time they have him under his rookie deal. It'll be interesting to see how he does in training camp and then during preseason. I don't expect him to play much during the regular season (Jackie Butler minutes, most likely), but he should get plenty of run with the Toros.

Right now, it's impossible to tell how good or bad he is. He has the physical tools, at least. Can he learn to defend without fouling and learn the nuances of the game offensively? We'll find out.

[objective]

other than his problems with fouls, is there anything that Elson does that Mahinmi couldn't do?

[slayermin]

Around $850K most likely.

What a bargain. I wonder if they had this planned all along when they traded Jackie Butler.

[medstudent]

How's his titty tear?

[timvp]

$938,760You don't think the Spurs could have leveraged themselves down from that number? With the current situation, the Spurs could have told Mahinmi's agent to either take the -20% or GTFO :)

[Solid D]

:tu

"as Mahinmi sat down to sign his contract with the Spurs, he grabbed the pen too hard and was called for a foul by Spurs GM RC Buford."

:)

[Bruno]

You don't think the Spurs could have leveraged themselves down from that number? With the current situation, the Spurs could have told Mahinmi's agent to either take the -20% or GTFO :)

We will see but I will be really surprised if he don't get the max allowed.
Almost all first round picks get the max and by looking at Spurs salaries, there isn't a legit financial reason to give him less than the max.

[timvp]

We will see but I will be really surprised if he don't get the max allowed.True but this is a unique situation. Mahinmi could have either sat out a year or attempted to latch on with a team in Europe if the Spurs said they didn't want him. And Mahinmi's stock isn't really high enough to where sitting out a year would do him much good.


Almost all first round picks get the max and by looking at Spurs salaries, there isn't a legit financial reason to give him less than the max.You have obviously never met Peter Holt :)

But seriously, a few hundred thousand could be the difference between being above or below the lux tax threshold. The Spurs knew Mahinmi was desperate to join the team. Knowing the Spurs, they wouldn't cave and give the max allowed just because it's customary.

[yavozerb]

:tu

"as Mahinmi sat down to sign his contract with the Spurs, he grabbed the pen too hard and was called for a foul by Spurs GM RC Buford."

:)
Hence the broken pen. :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Woo. :smokin

[E20]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

[Solid D]

6'11, 230 and 20 years old. As long as he keeps a decent nutritional and weight training regimine, he will probably add another 15 lbs or so over the next couple of seasons.

[wildbill2u]

I'm very surprised based on his minutes on Pau and his accomplishments so far.

However, with the Toros up the road it may be the best thing for the development of the player so I'm cool with it. At #15 on the bench you don't expect a superstar.

[Bruno]

But seriously, a few hundred thousand could be the difference between being above or below the lux tax threshold.

With Spurs current salaries, paying Mahinmi 80% instead of 120% hasn't a big financial impact. If Spurs do some specific moves, it could have a big financial impact. I don't think Spurs will give him less than the max because there is an unlikely scenario where giving him the max could put them above the tax.



The Spurs knew Mahinmi was desperate to join the team. Knowing the Spurs, they wouldn't cave and give the max allowed just because it's customary.

Mahinmi would have likely sign for 80% but it's too the case for other first round picks. Not doing the customary could hurt Spurs in the future : if Mahinmi pans out, I'm sure he will remember how Spurs have low balled him when he signed his rookie contract.
Incentives to give him less than the max aren't likely big enough to take this risk.

[Spurs Brazil]

Great news

[Bruno]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

My avatar is Mahinmi and Bruce.

[Solid D]

If the Spurs do sign Marcus Williams, that gives them a full 3-deep roster.

[Big P]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

Check youtube.com..theres a couple of videos of him.

[50 cent]

Awesome. I would rather see the Spurs have a hand in developing him over the next year with the Toros than have him playing off in Europe.

[Norcal's Right Nut]

http://www.basketzone.com/images/divers/actualites/20060126163702_bz_mahinmi_5845.jpg

No, I don't know why he has a UPC on his arm. Maybe that's how they track foul calls over there or something.

[Solid D]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/014a6HJfAJbuG/340x.jpg

Ian dunking on Tiago Splitter

[ShoogarBear]

Good news . . . for the Rockets?

CIA Dennis.

[T Park]

No, I don't know why he has a UPC on his arm. Maybe that's how they track foul calls over there or something.

:lol

I gotta admit that was funny.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/014a6HJfAJbuG/340x.jpg

Ian dunking on Tiago Splitter
A future look at practice in 08-09?

[objective]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

from a link provided I believe by Bruno in April

http://www.dijonpremiere.com/flux.aspx?id=450

streaming video, Pau vs. Dijon

Mahinmi is in white, jersey number 14. Enters around 2 minutes in and plays until about 6:40, then plays again after the 10 minute mark.

[ducks]

You don't think the Spurs could have leveraged themselves down from that number? With the current situation, the Spurs could have told Mahinmi's agent to either take the -20% or GTFO :)
first round draft picks have rules

[Mr. Body]

Spurs Team - Jackie Butler + Ian Mahinmi = win.

[mattyc]

Fantastic. Hopefully this is a case where investing in potential pays off.

[ducks]

if the spurs did not give him the max and he blows up when he is a fa he will bolt

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hope he doesn't lose his starting job to Anthony Fuqua.

[Bruno]

With Mahinmi, there are 9 French players in nba. :smokin

[ducks]

Let's hope he doesn't lose his starting job to Anthony Fuqua.
if he does he will be playing with tp :clap

[T Park]

Let's hope he doesn't lose his starting job to Anthony Fuqua.



lets hope he doesnt get hurt in training camp

and lets hope he plays well enough to not have to be sent down to Austin.

[spursjustice]

Nice!!! Maybe Tim can teach him some fundamentals...

[ducks]

lets hope he doesnt get hurt in training camp

and lets hope he plays well enough to not have to be sent down to Austin.
I want him in austin playing not being on the bench as a 12 man

I just do not see him being the first big off the bench yet

[ducks]

Nice!!! Maybe Tim can teach him some fundamentals...
maying tp can throw him some alley oops since james white is no longer a spur!

[Bruno]

Let's hope he doesn't lose his starting job to Anthony Fuqua.

Do you think that Toros being owned by Spurs will change the way they draft ?

I guess that NBDL teams try to draft players who will help them to win games.

Will Austin draft players who will help them to develop Spurs prospect (like a solid pass first PG) and players with the greater nba upside, instead of drafting the best players ?
Is winning games still a priority for the Toros ?

[ducks]

they are having a press conference for this dude
cool

[Freeze]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

2005-2006 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWyRr_fNJps
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Mahinmi/video/x37qa_mahinmi_sport

summer 2006 :
http://video.lequipe.fr/video/iLyROoaft3rq.html

[stxspurs]

any update on his injury?

[djohn14]

OOOO, look at my sig...I predicted it!

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think that Toros being owned by Spurs will change the way they draft ?Just to add context, Fuqua is a pretty serviceable D-League big man, and the Toros will be able to protect four players in the upcoming expansion draft. Virtually all the guards have left for Europe so Fuqua will likely be on the protected list.

I'm sure McHone is going to be looking for players that will work in the Spurs system.


I guess that NBDL teams try to draft players who will help them to win games.That has usually been left up to the coach, so that would depend on the individual I suppose.


Will Austin draft players who will help them to develop Spurs prospect (like a solid pass first PG) and players with the greater nba upside, instead of drafting the best players ?I'm guessing the former since they hired a nominal GM to find guys, but it could also depend on the talent available.


Is winning games still a priority for the Toros ?Maybe not from the Spurs' standpoint -- but the players and coaches will always be playing to win. I think that it's so easy to waive a guy in the D-League, it would be easier for the Toros to take a flyer on a talent that at first glance doesn't fit the Spurs' mold.

So to answer your questions -- I have no idea.

[Bruno]

^ Thanks.

[L.I.T]

I can't decide if I should be excited or not; but at least the Spurs will get him into their training program.

[METALMiKE]

w00t!

[boutons_]

He's probably 2, 3 years away from really helping, but if he comes around, plus Sanikidze and Splitter, we've got some serious, youthful potential for Tim's twilight years.

[timvp]

It's going to be interesting to see how the Spurs handle their last remaining spot. The heavy favorite to land the spot is Marcus Williams. Common sense says that he was drafted too high to be left off the team. However, he was one of the worst players in all of summer league, so it'll be interesting to see how that will influence what the Spurs do.

The Spurs have been down this road before. When they drafted Chris Carrawell, they gave him a fully guaranteed contract ... and he was one of the first players waived during training camp. That turned out to be a waste of $350K. Do the Spurs fully guarantee Williams with the thinking that he'll spend the year in Austin? Are they already scared off and looking for other options? Do they give him a partially guaranteed contract to see if he can survive training camp?

Another player who should be added to the conversation is Viktor Sanikidze. He was relatively impressive in summer league and his strengths fill weaknesses the Spurs have on their roster. If the Spurs view him as the better project, perhaps they will bring him over and try to influence Marcus Williams to sign with a European team.

Mahinmi was an expected move. This last move is going to be interesting. Personally, I'd like Sanikidze here over Williams. If the Spurs can't swallow their pride regarding Williams, I at least would like to see Williams signed to an easily disposable contract that the Spurs can get rid of if he continues his poor play into training camp.

[duncan228]

Tim's twilight years.

It's so hard for me to read this phrase.

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't there an annual deadline for a buyout like Viktor's?

[Mr. Body]

I can't see any reason why they wouldn't sign Marcus Williams at this point. Sanikidze is too vague a promise and there ain't anybody else out there.

[T Park]

man are they up to 14 signed now? damn...

[AFBlue]

As much as this board has been talking up Sanikidze and his performance in SL, I'm not sure he has a realistic shot at making the squad this year. He came in and played more minutes than expected, but he wasn't a featured piece for them and he went back to Georgia before we had a chance to see whether the Spurs would continue to give him burn.

As far as Williams is concerned, I'm still hopeful. There's no doubt that he was a terrible offensive player, but he really went after it on defense and was there to disrupt alot of plays with his length. I agree with timvp that Williams has the inside track to land the last roster spot...if it gets filled.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm fine with giving Williams a nonguaranteed deal -- if someone like Jamar Smith of Noel Felix or Justin Bowen (there's my list of invitees) beats him out in camp, so be it. I'm going to assume it's too late for Viktor to be bought out.

[AFBlue]

I can't see any reason why they wouldn't sign Marcus Williams at this point. Sanikidze is too vague a promise and there ain't anybody else out there.

Add to that...

Drafted in high-second round

Only 20 years old

Solid defensively with good fundamentals and length


Got to admit though....Chip has his work cut out for him on that shooting form. It's flat-out disgusting.

[T Park]

the kids 20, and people want to cut him?

Thats like people saying earlier that at 25 Parker's abilities had "peaked" :lol

[manustarting2gd]

IAN VID (http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaft3rq.html) I hadnt seen this mahinmi link yet.. if it has been posted then let it be known. thought i'd share what i found while looking up our newest addition

[smrattler]

IF they dump Beno and replace with a better option at PG, this off season got a major roster churn for the bottom 5.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm still all for this trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=&teams=&te=2448:5-2388&cash=

[BigBeezie]

Last I checked, the Spurs had 13 roster spots filled before signing Ian. This is a great signing...

I hope, I truly hope that Pop gives him a chance. He's the youngest Spur since Parker.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Or this trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=&teams=&te=42:9-1018~2448:9-2750~2751:24-929&cash=

[ChumpDumper]

I hope, I truly hope that Pop gives him a chance.You mean Quin.

[Darkwaters]

Isn't there an annual deadline for a buyout like Viktor's?

Viktor is not currently under contract. His two year contract with Estudiantes is fulfilled and he is a FA. Therefore: no buyout.

[ChumpDumper]

Viktor is not currently under contract. His two year contract with Estudiantes is fulfilled and he is a FA. Therefore: no buyout.Thanks. That's a little unnerving at this point -- but maybe the Spurs have already decided to sign him but are waiting until his NT play is over so they don't have to pay insurance.

[timvp]

Viktor is not currently under contract. His two year contract with Estudiantes is fulfilled and he is a FA. Therefore: no buyout.Nah, actually he just finished year one of his two-year deal. Rumor has it a German team is looking to buyout or at least rent him from Estudiantes.

Sanikidze most likely has an NBA out that the Spurs could exercise. And if a German team could be looking to buy him out, I seriously doubt it'd be too late for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

We still might be waiting for the NT games to end.

We're cheap.

[Darkwaters]

Nah, actually he just finished year one of his two-year deal. Rumor has it a German team is looking to buyout or at least rent him from Estudiantes.

Sanikidze most likely has an NBA out that the Spurs could exercise. And if a German team could be looking to buy him out, I seriously doubt it'd be too late for the Spurs.

I thought we'd already had this conversation and his contract was over?

[JUUOT]

I thought we'd already had this conversation and his contract was over?

As soon as i saw your first post i remember the previous conversation and thought you said this on purpose/sarcasm... Nothing has changed since the last time. viktor is under contract with estudiantes with likely a nba out clause but it could have a deadline before spanish season start.

[Darkwaters]

As soon as i saw your first post i remember the previous conversation and thought you said this on purpose/sarcasm... Nothing has changed since the last time. viktor is under contract with estudiantes with likely a nba out clause but it could have a deadline before spanish season start.

Ok, I just remembered wrong then. Sorry.

[timvp]

I thought we'd already had this conversation and his contract was over?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1844514&postcount=40

Last time you thought he signed the Estudiantes contract this year. You corrected yourself after you saw he signed it last year.

It's cool, though. These prospects are tough to keep straight. :smokin

[Holt's Cat]

Next year the Spurs will have Splitter on a rookie deal too. Hopefully he and Mahinmi can ball. Otherwise we're stuck cheering the bottom line again.

[ChumpDumper]

You forgot about to bitch about not filling the 15th spot with a full MLE player in late August.

[Holt's Cat]

You forgot to take a breather after your rush to reply to my observation. Of course the rookie deals were not an attraction for the Spurs in regards to either player. Yeah.

[ChumpDumper]

You forgot to take a breather after your rush to reply to my observation.It's typing. You need a breather after typing?
Of course the rookie deals were not an attraction for the Spurs in regards to either player. Yeah.You said experience was just as important. Yeah.

[Holt's Cat]

It's typing. You need a breather after typing?

Nah, I don't, but surely you would.




You said experience was just as important. Yeah.

Yes, experience is important. Take a look at the rotation.

[Darkwaters]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1844514&postcount=40

Last time you thought he signed the Estudiantes contract this year. You corrected yourself after you saw he signed it last year.

It's cool, though. These prospects are tough to keep straight. :smokin

I usually have them straight. But for some reason Sanikidze gives me fits.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, I don't, but surely you would.Nope. That's why it was stupid for you to say.


Yes, experience is important. Take a look at the rotation.That's not what you said. You said it would be as important as the cost for signing the next big man.

Ian costs more than a vet and has no NBA experience.

0 for 3 if you want to include the breather part.

[Holt's Cat]

So the Spurs are done?

Anyways, I see the Spurs neglected to sign any of your suggestions, so 0 for 31. Before I forget, you're cute when you're full of piss and vinegar. OK, maybe not, but still entertaining.

[ChumpDumper]

So the Spurs are done?Unless they sign Willaims or Viktor or trade Beno/Barry, they are probably done until training camp.


Anyways, I see the Spurs neglected to sign any of your suggestions, so 0 for 31.


I'd prefer going young, and I've named at least three guys who could be pretty good including Ian. We have gone the old fart route before with decent success -- but I think the premium should now be on athleticism in today's NBA.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1920542&postcount=5


Before I forget, you're cute when you're full of piss and vinegar.And you're cute when you're owned.

[Holt's Cat]

Yes, it is shocking that the Spurs signed their 1st round pick who's been in the states this summer.

Neither of your suggestions were signed, femme.

[ChumpDumper]

Signed?

:lol

Ian was. Did you miss the news?

None of your suggestions -- we'll you had none at all to begin with.

Just as well. You've been wrong enough as it is.

[Holt's Cat]

Now you're taking credit for the Spurs signing Mahinmi? Impressive. What a long shot to call.

[ChumpDumper]

And yet, you failed to call it.

Sad, really.

And I am by no means taking credit. I hoped it would happen and I'm glad it did.

You're upset we didn't spend "whatever" on "whomever" -- you've never had any real suggestions or even a real take the last three years.

Pussy.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if he starts playing for the Toros as soon as is possible, Ian will be able to spend the full training camp, the entire preseason and at least a couple of regular season weeks with the Spurs before going to Austin. And even here he'll be playing Spurs basketball.

Win-win. Hopefully we have an easier time than last season landing a point guard to get him the ball.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Even if he starts playing for the Toros as soon as is possible, Ian will be able to spend the full training camp, the entire preseason and at least a couple of regular season weeks with the Spurs before going to Austin. And even here he'll be playing Spurs basketball.

Win-win. Hopefully we have an easier time than last season landing a point guard to get him the ball.

do you think he end up posting darko numbers when he gets regular pt?

[ChumpDumper]

I think we'll wait at least as long as we did with Darko to find out.

[hsxvvd]

I've never seen this guy, can anybody provide a pic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWyRr_fNJps

Highlight Clip of youtube, he looks alright.

[urunobili]

NBDL regular rotation guy.. he will never make the team...

[MoSpur]

Great news.

[JUUOT]

I usually have them straight. But for some reason Sanikidze gives me fits.

Sanikidze will give fit to many more than you. be honored LOL

[AFBlue]

NBDL regular rotation guy.. he will never make the team...

He's got a two-year guaranteed deal for the Spurs to see what he's got and a third-year option if he's intriguing enough to keep evaluating.

He does have a LONG way to go, but the Spurs needed to bring him over to see whether he's in this team's long-term future.

He isn't going to play much, if at all, this year so he is essentially replacing Jackie Butler.

My only concern with the moves this summer is that the Spurs have gotten rid of two players with considerable ability on offense, and have replaced them with two players that have a long way to go in that regard.

Granted Mahinmi and Splitter have shown much more commitment to defense and are young enough to develop in areas they're currently lacking. BUT, as much as it pains me to say it, the Spurs will not be able to rely on Duncan's offensive prowess in the post forever and if these two ARE to be key pieces to the future of this team, they'll need to learn how to be at least capable offensive players in order for the Spurs to continue to succeed.

I didn't mean to go all doomsday, but....

Bottom Line: Spurs have two potentially good defensive, role-players on their frontline for the future....but my concern is that neither has the overall game to take over when Timmy begins his decline.

Note: I'm not suggesting that ANY of the Spurs frontline prospects of the present or future will be a Duncan replacement, because that's just foolish...

[mathbzh]

Bottom Line: Spurs have two potentially good defensive, role-players on their frontline for the future....but my concern is that neither has the overall game to take over when Timmy begins his decline.

Note: I'm not suggesting that ANY of the Spurs frontline prospects of the present or future will be a Duncan replacement, because that's just foolish...

The odd of finding a future dominant big with offensive and defensive skills in the late first round are not very high.
If Tiago and Ian can end up being good defensive bigs I would consider them as very good pick. If one of them end up being a legitimate offensive option... he would be a great pick.

[mathbzh]

And I just realise that Tiago is pretty good on the offensive end.

[ducks]

He's got a two-year guaranteed deal for the Spurs to see what he's got and a third-year option if he's intriguing enough to keep evaluating.

He does have a LONG way to go, but the Spurs needed to bring him over to see whether he's in this team's long-term future.

He isn't going to play much, if at all, this year so he is essentially replacing Jackie Butler.

My only concern with the moves this summer is that the Spurs have gotten rid of two players with considerable ability on offense, and have replaced them with two players that have a long way to go in that regard.

Granted Mahinmi and Splitter have shown much more commitment to defense and are young enough to develop in areas they're currently lacking. BUT, as much as it pains me to say it, the Spurs will not be able to rely on Duncan's offensive prowess in the post forever and if these two ARE to be key pieces to the future of this team, they'll need to learn how to be at least capable offensive players in order for the Spurs to continue to succeed.

I didn't mean to go all doomsday, but....

Bottom Line: Spurs have two potentially good defensive, role-players on their frontline for the future....but my concern is that neither has the overall game to take over when Timmy begins his decline.

Note: I'm not suggesting that ANY of the Spurs frontline prospects of the present or future will be a Duncan replacement, because that's just foolish...
not saying he is going to replace duncan but alot of people said david was not replaceable then they got a fellow named duncan

[mathbzh]

not saying he is going to replace duncan but alot of people said david was not replaceable then they got a fellow named duncan
BUt he was not a #28 pick

[tp time]

cool, one more french :)

[Freeze]

BUt he was not a #28 pick

Ian was drafted at 18 yo as an unknown european prospect, TD at 21 as the best NCAA player.

I figure as an undrafted prospect, and with one more year of developpement overseas, he may have been a top 10 pick in next year's draft...

[ducks]

they are several stars that are not number one draft picks

[Freeze]

cool, one more french :)

Yeah I'm glad TP will be able to help him to accustom to SA, and explain him wich donuts prefer each players :lol

[Supergirl]

This is a GREAT signing, I think.

And this is why they were willing to let Scola go. Scola and Mahinmi play the same positions, and both have tons of talent and upside, but they're both going to wait behind Duncan (and Oberto, Horry, and Bonner) for minutes. But in 5-6 years when Duncan is either retired or in his last years, Mahinmi should be in his prime, at only 25-26 years old. Whereas Scola will be 33 or 34 -- just about done. So, he makes more sense for the Spurs, in terms of planning for the future.

[JUUOT]

The odd of finding a future dominant big with offensive and defensive skills in the late first round are not very high.


it statistically gets even lower when you already found a dominant point guard with offensive and defensive skills in the late first round not so long ago.

Even for both tiago and Ian to become regular nba player would be quite an achievement.

[JUUOT]

To put things in perspectives, spurs kept only 4 first round draft picks in the last 9 drafts. All picks were in the late 20's most of which 28 i think

Parker in 2001
udrih in 2004
mahinmi in 2005
splitter in 2007

They got a all star point guard and a borderline regular nba player (at least regular backup on most other teams i would guess)
if both mahinmi and splitter crack the rotation it would be a significant rate of success by the spurs staff. If one of the 2 become a starter you can hardly ask for more...

[BronxCowboy]

it statistically gets even lower when you already found a dominant point guard with offensive and defensive skills in the late first round not so long ago.

Even for both tiago and Ian to become regular nba player would be quite an achievement.

I understand your point and agree that it would be amazing if the Spurs have found multiple keepers at the 28 pick. However, to be a stickler, past events have no bearing on the odds of future events unless said future event is contingent upon the outcome of said past event.

[Holt's Cat]

And yet, you failed to call it.

Sad, really.

And I am by no means taking credit. I hoped it would happen and I'm glad it did.

You're upset we didn't spend "whatever" on "whomever" -- you've never had any real suggestions or even a real take the last three years.

Pussy.

Yawn. I called it 2 months ago when I said the Spurs preferred Splitter and Mahinmi on rookie deals to Butler and Scola. Go rub your pussy a little, it might make you feel better.

[T Park]

He averaged 3 points and 2 rebounds over in the Euroleague. Why is everyone so excited? Because the Spurs drafted him so he must be good? Color me unimpressed.


he was also screwed minutes wise, and is only 20 years old.

Chill.

[preincarnate]

A big man that plays inside and guards the rim isn't that likely to get lots of minutes in a Euro league. If he had a J from 20 feet he would be playing a ton. But that's a main difference between Euro and NBA- Ian's game is much more suited to the NBA (and especially the Spurs). Being able to stick him in the D-League and learn the system while playing 20-30 minutes per game should be good for him. Let's hope he realizes his potential.

[Darkwaters]

Ian was drafted at 18 yo as an unknown european prospect, TD at 21 as the best NCAA player.


Then again we drafted Tony Parker in his late teens with about the same number pick as we got Mahinmi. He was not an established player at all and had been playing with a team named Paris Basket Racing. And now hes the reigning finals MVP.

The Spurs have been capable of finding absolute gems in the rough in the past. I don't think it is unrealistic to imagine the Spurs seeing something in Mahinmi and him becoming a quality rotation player within a year or two if not a starter. Time will tell. While I don't expect Mahinmi to be a starter within 5 games (a la, Tony Parker) I do expect that his cheap rookie contract will be a worthwhile investment.

[ChumpDumper]

Yawn. I called nothing -- I just bitched about spending the full MLE on anybody without even bothering to find out who is available and pussed out when asked directly whom the Spurs should sign. I haven't had a legit take since Malik was traded. I am truly a pussy in every sense of the word.

[objective]

Then again we drafted Tony Parker in his late teens with about the same number pick as we got Mahinmi. He was not an established player at all and had been playing with a team named Paris Basket Racing. And now hes the reigning finals MVP.

Parker was more established than Mahinmi by far by my memory. Parker was at the McDonalds games. Parker had numerous pre-draft workouts and was thought to be a certain first rounder. In all probability if Red Auerbach hadn't been in love with Joe Forte and used his influence or if Doc Rivers didn't hate point guards under 6-4 then Parker would have been drafted higher.

Mahinmi was a back-up in teen euro tourney to Johan Petro and had barely become a starter in France iirc. He didn't even have a name placard to put up in MSG during the draft.

[Holt's Cat]

Chumper has become whottt.

[ChumpDumper]

And you became Sequ three years ago.

[Holt's Cat]

1 minute response time. Come on Piker.

[ShoogarBear]

However, to be a stickler, past events have no bearing on the odds of future events unless said future event is contingent upon the outcome of said past event.Well, that's assuming that the success of a draft pick is just a random event. While there is some luck involved, one could argue that some organizations are better than others at evaluating talent, and thus if they have done a better job in the past are more likely to do a better job in the future.

[Solid D]

Chumper has become whottt.

Impossible.

[T Park]

Chumper hasn't said Mascot > Player yet, so hes 100% wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe Presti left the Spurs before Ian could sully his reputation.

[LilMissSPURfect]

my 2cents worth....

Im excited to see what the boy got!

[BronxCowboy]

Well, that's assuming that the success of a draft pick is just a random event. While there is some luck involved, one could argue that some organizations are better than others at evaluating talent, and thus if they have done a better job in the past are more likely to do a better job in the future.

Which would actually mean that your odds are better if you've done it before, if anything, which is the opposite of the point the previous poster was trying to make, I think.

[Bruno]

Realgm trade checker use a 80% of the rookie scale salary to Mahinmi ($625,840). They said that they sold an upgraded version of their trade checker to nba teams so it's possible that theirs numbers aren't speculation but numbers they get from the nba FO.

Given that Spurs are in the luxury tax area this year and will be bellow next year, it makes more sense for Spurs to give Mahinmi 80% this year and 120% next year than 100% each year.

Giving Mahinmi less than 120% doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless Spurs trade Beno. Giving 80% of the rookie scale to Mahinmi for his first year will allow Spurs to stay under the tax and sign both Williams and a PG for the min if they dump Beno. With 100% or 120% of the rookie scale, Spurs will be above the luxury tax if they dump Beno, sign Williams and a PG for the min.

[objective]

where on the trade checker pages does it list salary?

[timvp]

Realgm trade checker use a 80% of the rookie scale salary to Mahinmi ($625,840). They said that they sold an upgraded version of their trade checker to nba teams so it's possible that theirs numbers aren't speculation but numbers they get from the nba FO.

Given that Spurs are in the luxury tax area this year and will be bellow next year, it makes more sense for Spurs to give Mahinmi 80% this year and 120% next year than 100% each year.

Giving Mahinmi less than 120% doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless Spurs trade Beno. Giving 80% of the rookie scale to Mahinmi for his first year will allow Spurs to stay under the tax and sign both Williams and a PG for the min if they dump Beno. With 100% or 120% of the rookie scale, Spurs will be above the luxury tax if they dump Beno, sign Williams and a PG for the min.timvp is one crafty fellow. :smokin

But yeah, 80% even surprises me. I knew the Spurs had Mahinmi in a situation in which he had no leverage at all. Basically, whatever the Spurs offered, Mahinmi had to take. He had no realistic alternative at this time.

As I said from the beginning, the Spurs don't operate in a manner where they'd give the maximum salary to a player just because it's customary. That's especially true in this scenario in which the Spurs could be $100K from being under or over the lux tax threshold depending on what transpires the rest of the summer.

And I don't buy the argument that the Spurs have to give Mahinmi the max or else he could get mad down the road. First of all, the Spurs took a risk on him in the first place by drafting him in the first round and guaranteeing him millions at the age of 18. Second of all, even if he's mad, with the new way the rules work he's a restricted free agent anyways. Third of all, if he's actually good, he's not going to remember a couple hundred thousand dollars in contract negotiations when he was dying to join the Spurs in the first place.

[Bruno]

where on the trade checker pages does it list salary?
They don't give the true salary, they use a different scale.
Mahinmi number (2.4) is about 80% of the rookie scale.

[objective]

They don't give the true salary, they use a different scale.
Mahinmi number (2.4) is about 80% of the rookie scale.

what number is the .024 multiplied by to figure the salary?

I'm trying to understand Scola's number (11.3)

[Bruno]

what number is the .024 multiplied by to figure the salary?

I'm trying to understand Scola's number (11.3)

0.1 should be a around $26K.
11.3 give $2.938M.
espn is using $2,916,667 for Scola's salary on their trade machine.

[AFBlue]

not saying he is going to replace duncan but alot of people said david was not replaceable then they got a fellow named duncan

Duncan was a consensus #1 pick with the "franchise player" label already attached to him at least two years prior to him putting his name into the draft.

The Spurs weren't sure they were getting a Duncan replacement, but they were sure he wasn't an 18yr old developmental player that would be left overseas for a couple years and have a lot of projection to being an NBA regular.

[AFBlue]

Ian was drafted at 18 yo as an unknown european prospect, TD at 21 as the best NCAA player.

I figure as an undrafted prospect, and with one more year of developpement overseas, he may have been a top 10 pick in next year's draft...

Not with his 05-06 numbers....

Sure there would've been someone to take a shot at him in the 06 draft, but I doubt it would've been in the lottery. When the spurs drafted this guy he didn't even make it on the draft-night program.

Spurs REALLY came out of left field with that pick....but let's hope they knew what they were doing.

[mathbzh]

Ian was drafted at 18 yo as an unknown european prospect, TD at 21 as the best NCAA player.

I figure as an undrafted prospect, and with one more year of developpement overseas, he may have been a top 10 pick in next year's draft...

My point was just to say that it is not realistic to imagine Ian or Tiago will replace Duncan. Ian has a huge potential and I still consider he was a good pick and that it is a smart move to give him a contract. But if he doesn't develop into a legitimate NBA player I will no be mad at the Spurs FO. With the 28th pick you can't find a Parker every year (and I don't even speak about Ginobili)

[Freeze]

My point was just to say that it is not realistic to imagine Ian or Tiago will replace Duncan. Ian has a huge potential and I still consider he was a good pick and that it is a smart move to give him a contract. But if he doesn't develop into a legitimate NBA player I will no be mad at the Spurs FO. With the 28th pick you can't find a Parker every year (and I don't even speak about Ginobili)

And I totally agree with you, what I meant is that we just don't know how good he will be in one year... as we didn't know for TP, Beno, Gino,.... at the time we drafted them.
And of course TD was a totally different story due to his great NCAA career.