Nobody seems to give a shit in the baseball forum

[thispego]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1925629#post1925629

what do you all think? personally, i'm outraged :pctoss

[T Park]

outraged?

Nothing else going on in your life to worry about more than this?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Well, New Era didn't seem to put up much of a fight.

Frankly, I'm chalking this up to a misguided attempt at style (as are most New Era fashion caps nowadays) and not "specifically marketing them to gangs."

Do you think Texas State University is "specifically marketing" to the Texas Syndicate? Initial designs of the State logo were an intertwined "TS" as is the logo for the Texas Syndicate.

[thispego]

outraged?

Nothing else going on in your life to worry about more than this?
right now? no

New Era is selling a product specifically geared towards GANGS. They're condoning gang affiliation and supporting it by creating GANG APPARREL!!
and this is not some hidden meaning like the ad with african american sprinters....

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Hell, not even initial designs...I have a cap I bought last year with the intertwined TS (plus a star).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

"Condoning gang affiliation?"

Is New Era condoning military involvement with its camouflage line of New Era caps?

[thispego]

Well, New Era didn't seem to put up much of a fight.

Frankly, I'm chalking this up to a misguided attempt at style (as are most New Era fashion caps nowadays) and not "specifically marketing them to gangs."

Do you think Texas State University is "specifically marketing" to the Texas Syndicate? Initial designs of the State logo were an intertwined "TS" as is the logo for the Texas Syndicate.
that's just a happy coincidence

New Era was already tapped into the "urban youth culture". they know what the meaning of these three caps are and they may play the "we didnt intend for people to interpret them this way" card, but that is BULLSHIT. They should discontinue manufacture of these hats and send any profits made on them to inner city schools and issue an apology for being such inconsiderate fuck ups who already put out a shitty product but had to go that one step lower just to sell a few more caps. Yeah there's lots of gang members in the US, New Era knew that, hence the demographic they're trying to reach with these abominations

[thispego]

"Condoning gang affiliation?"

Is New Era condoning military involvement with its camouflage line of New Era caps?
or hunting involvement or blending into your surroundings involvement yeah yeah yeah

you know what i mean JB, and you can't dance around this one.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I wonder how long these caps were out before people noticed them (it might have been in the story, I just skimmed through it).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

or hunting involvement or blending into your surroundings involvement yeah yeah yeah

you know what i mean JB, and you can't dance around this one.

I know exactly what you mean, Pego...

But allow me to play devil's advocate for a second and ask you how many "urban youth culture" go hunting?

[thispego]

Crips, Bloods out of MLB hat lineup (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Gang_Caps.html)

NEW YORK -- A lineup of team logo baseball caps denounced as tailor-made for gang members was ordered removed from store shelves by its manufacturer Friday after complaints from baseball officials.

"It has been brought to our attention that some combinations of icons and colors on a select number of our caps could be too closely perceived to be in association with gangs," said Christopher H. Koch, CEO of New Era Cap. "In response, we, along with Major League Baseball, have pulled those caps."

The three styles in question used colors and symbols linked to three gangs: an all-white cap with a blue bandanna, the trademark of the notorious Crips; an all-white cap with a red bandanna worn by the rival Bloods; and a black cap with a gold team logo and an embroidered crown, a symbol favored by the Latin Kings.

"We encouraged and now fully support the decision of cap manufacturer New Era to pull these caps and any others that feature offensive or concerning symbols," read an MLB statement.

The New York Yankees had joined an anti-gang group, Peace on the Street, in denouncing the hats.

Both MLB and the Yankees insisted they were unaware of the symbolism in the cap designs, with the New York team noting they were never given a chance to review the new hats until they were already for sale.

The team was "completely unaware that caps with gang-related logos and colors had been manufactured with the New York Yankees logo on them," said a Yankees statement. "The New York Yankees oppose any garment that may be associated with gangs or gang-related activity."

On Thursday, protesters demonstrated about the new caps outside several Manhattan stores carrying the merchandise. The stores were selling a version of the hats bearing the familiar interlocking "NY" logo of the Yankees.

Richard Garcia, a karate instructor who works with Peace on the Street to provide youngsters with alternatives to gangs, said he immediately recognized the hats' colors from his work with former gang members.

"My fear was that the wrong kid was going to wear the wrong hat in the wrong neighborhood and get hurt," he said.

New Era said it would increase its efforts to ensure it had a better working knowledge of gang symbols, names and locations.(ppffffffffftttttttttt :lol BULLSHIT) The Buffalo-based company has produced hats for Major League Baseball since the 1930s.

[T Park]

Gangs wear Raiders, Cardinals, Bulls, and other apparel.

Does that mean the Cardinals Raiders and Bulls market to "GANGS!!" ?

[T Park]

Wheres the outrage twords the gangs?

[thispego]

I know exactly what you mean, Pego...

But allow me to play devil's advocate for a second and ask you how many "urban youth culture" go hunting?
ok, i feel you, maybe New Era doesnt "condone gang affiliation" but they sure as shit are making it seem OK to "represent your gang affiliation"

like you said, they have alot of misguided attempts at fashion.. but these three caps go beyond that. I understand that they are going to SAY they didnt know.. but you and I know that Tpark is the only person living in the US that doesnt know what these colors signify. and it's not just the colors... it's the apperance of colored bandanas around the caps that makes it so unmistakable. There is no room for error in interpreting that, none whatsoever

[thispego]

Gangs wear Raiders, Cardinals, Bulls, and other apparel.

Does that mean the Cardinals Raiders and Bulls market to "GANGS!!" ?
no, that is the gangs choice to wear those... those logos were around long before the prevalence of gangs. these caps were just recently designed

[T Park]

but you and I know that Tpark is the only person living in the US that doesnt know what these colors signify. and it's not just the colors... it's the apperance of colored bandanas around the caps that makes it so unmistakable. There is no room for error in interpreting that, none whatsoever

really

You are pretty stupid if you think IM the only one...

It doesnt look gang whatever to me.

Its white, with red and paisleys, first off, I dont see how it is.

All I know is people shouting it is.


Hell the only things i knew were , were raiders apparel, other teams, and red wing boots (that ones from school)

[thispego]

Wheres the outrage twords the gangs?
goes without saying

where is the outrage of New Era against gangs? seemingly non existent because they are creating customized apparel for them to suit their specific gang

[T Park]

no, that is the gangs choice to wear those... those logos were around long before the prevalence of gangs. these caps were just recently designed

the NY logo, paisleys, and red, were around long before gangs too.

[T Park]

where is the outrage of New Era against gangs? seemingly non existent because they are creating customized apparel for them to suit their specific gang

Yeah, cause their press release, and attatched advertising indicates that.

[thispego]

really

You are pretty stupid if you think IM the only one...

It doesnt look gang whatever to me.

Its white, with red and paisleys, first off, I dont see how it is.

All I know is people shouting it is.


Hell the only things i knew were , were raiders apparel, other teams, and red wing boots (that ones from school)
LOL, red wing boots?

http://www.susanragan.com/news/images/cripsint.jpg

http://www.gta.cz/sanandreas/data/miky/obleceni/43.jpg

http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/handsigns/menu005001.jpg

http://www.divinetruthishere.com/images/Kappa_Bloods.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/YoungMex9/BloodZnCripZ.png

this was too easy

[thispego]

the NY logo, paisleys, and red, were around long before gangs too.
ok, forget the NY logo, they released a statement saying they had nothing to do with it, and i believe that

[thispego]

Yeah, cause their press release, and attatched advertising indicates that.
naturally they are not going to come out and say this. they put these caps out, knowing who will be the primary purchasers of them, then cut and run and say well we didnt knoooow!!! when people become rightfully outraged by it

[T Park]

So gangs adopt things, so now companies shouldn't make whatever gangs wear?


Brilliant.

[T Park]

they released a statement saying they had nothing to do with it, and i believe that

see, no one will make up a press release for the poor opressed color of red, nor paisleys.

Just dispicable.

[thispego]

So gangs adopt things, so now companies shouldn't make whatever gangs wear?


Brilliant.
oh god..... tpark, let me slow things down for you... the crips have been using the blue bandana to mark their affiliation since the inception of the gang.. bloods have used the red bandana to mark theirs. It's just always been.

New Era knows this and also knows that their main demographic is the "urban youth culture". The "urban youth culture" also happens to be heavily involved in gang membership. this is obviously, undoubtedly, undeniably a product meant for members of those gangs or wannabes that think gang life is cool. New Era could not and would not tell this to the public because they would not be allowed to sell them.

and seriously, you're the only one that doesnt know about the colors of bloods and crips

[TheSanityAnnex]

I didn't realize we were still living in the 80's. Bloods and Crips? :lol


Now if New Era were making a hat with Ms-13 on it I'd understand where you are coming from.

[thispego]

see, no one will make up a press release for the poor opressed color of red, nor paisleys.

Just dispicable.
my original post stated that i hated the yankees even more, i've retracted that and only hate the yankees as much as I used to. the real blame is on New Era and their willingness to do anything to make a buck

[T Park]

and seriously, you're the only one that doesnt know about the colors of bloods and crips

actually im here in an office and i just proposed this question to 10 others, and they had no clue.

Can't say I've ever sought out the info.



oh god..... tpark, let me slow things down for you

oh god don't talk down to me...


the crips have been using the blue bandana to mark their affiliation since the inception of the gang.. bloods have used the red bandana to mark theirs. It's just always been.



So the white guy that works in the popcorn stand here at the fair that uses the red bandana is a gangster?

Better keep my eyes peeled.


You obviously didn't understand what I meant about things Gangs adopt.

[thispego]

I didn't realize we were still living in the 80's. Bloods and Crips? :lol


Now if New Era were making a hat with Ms-13 on it I'd understand where you are coming from.
New Era is currently working on Ms-13 themed ball caps.. only they dont realize it.

[T Park]

the real blame is on New Era and their willingness to do anything to make a buck

yeah because the company Youd start woudl NEVER do ANYTHING to make money...

[T Park]

Now if New Era were making a hat with Ms-13 on it I'd understand where you are coming from.

MS 13s sounds like an experimental drug from Merk.

[thispego]

actually im here in an office and i just proposed this question to 10 others, and they had no clue.

Can't say I've ever sought out the info.




oh god don't talk down to me...



So the white guy that works in the popcorn stand here at the fair that uses the red bandana is a gangster?

Better keep my eyes peeled.


You obviously didn't understand what I meant about things Gangs adopt.
you're obviously not getting the point of the article. there was such outrage over the caps that new era pulled them from the shelves. the majority sees my side of the coin. I dont know who you asked at your work but i imagine if you asked a few circus animals then they probably would look at you with a clueless expression

[thispego]

yeah because the company Youd start woudl NEVER do ANYTHING to make money...
i wouldnt pretend something i was doing wasn't wrong when i knew damn good and well that it was.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I only made the comment about the bloods/crips being 80's because for two years I worked all over downtown Los Angeles (where the bloods/crips were born) delivering blood for Red Cross to every hospital in the ghetto and not once can I recall seeing a blood or crips.

[T Park]

I dont know who you asked at your work but i imagine if you asked a few circus animals then they probably would look at you with a clueless expression

Yup, more stupid jokes.


i wouldnt pretend something i was doing wasn't wrong when i knew damn good and well that it was

uh huh..

[T Park]

I only made the comment about the bloods/crips being 80's because for two years I worked all over downtown Los Angeles (where the bloods/crips were born) delivering blood for Red Cross and not once can I recall seeing a blood or crips.

I knew about bloods and crips too.

I just didn't realize that there was certain things you can't make for clothes, that it would be demonstrated against.

[thispego]

I only made the comment about the bloods/crips being 80's because for two years I worked all over downtown Los Angeles (where the bloods/crips were born) delivering blood for Red Cross to every hospital in the ghetto and not once can I recall seeing a blood or crips.
yeah i'm not familiar with their current day prevalence, but if you're talking about the most popular gangs in united states history, the first two that come to mind are bloods and crips

[thispego]

Yup, more stupid jokes...
yeah, that was uncalled for, sorry


uh huh..
but this much is true. plus New Era is already successful enough without having to put out this grabage

[E20]

No offense, but baseball and anything similar to it is a boring ass sport.

[thispego]

No offense, but baseball and anything similar to it is a boring ass sport.
you got that shit straight e20

[T Park]

No offense but comics are for kids.

? See how that works? :lol




but this much is true. plus New Era is already successful enough without having to put out this grabage

I dunno.

My point is, where is the line drawn?

I mean, stopping production of certain things because "gangs wear them"

Couldn't you do that to alot of stuff?

My point is, once you go down the road like that, where is the line drawn, thats all.

[E20]

No offense but comics are for kids.

? See how that works? :lol




I dunno.

My point is, where is the line drawn?

I mean, stopping production of certain things because "gangs wear them"

Couldn't you do that to alot of stuff?

My point is, once you go down the road like that, where is the line drawn, thats all.
I'm not offended at all. :downspin:

[T Park]

you got that shit straight e20]

:rolleyes

[T Park]

I'm not offended at all

totally went over your head.

[thispego]

No offense but comics are for kids.

? See how that works? :lol




I dunno.

My point is, where is the line drawn?

I mean, stopping production of certain things because "gangs wear them"

Couldn't you do that to alot of stuff?

My point is, once you go down the road like that, where is the line drawn, thats all.
i think the line starts and stops with those colored bandanas. it's sad because it's such an innocent thing. But those colors have become synonomous with bloods and crips, not just the colors but those bandanas. New Era knew it, that is the only demographic they deal with, either they intended on playing the "we didnt know" card or they didnt think the general public would mind. There is really nothing else that could be contrued as gang related that could be put on a ball cap except for those 2 or 3 things. Hell i'll even let them slide with the Latin Kings logo. but those two bandanas are so obvious its sickening.

[thispego]

:rolleyes
what? i hate baseball

[Kori Ellis]

I only made the comment about the bloods/crips being 80's because for two years I worked all over downtown Los Angeles (where the bloods/crips were born) delivering blood for Red Cross to every hospital in the ghetto and not once can I recall seeing a blood or crips.

Then you probably don't know what you are looking for :lol

Just kidding.

They probably don't hang in downtown L.A. - they are in South Central.

[T Park]

i think the line starts and stops with those colored bandanas. it's sad because it's such an innocent thing. But those colors have become synonomous with bloods and crips, not just the colors but those bandanas. New Era knew it, that is the only demographic they deal with, either they intended on playing the "we didnt know" card or they didnt think the general public would mind. There is really nothing else that could be contrued as gang related that could be put on a ball cap except for those 2 or 3 things. Hell i'll even let them slide with the Latin Kings logo. but those two bandanas are so obvious its sickening

So Joseph Abbot, who makes high end suits, and the inside of the suits have the color red with paisleys, are designing suits for the high end cripp or blood?

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao I finally got to see a picture of those caps.

Flat out targeting gangstas.

[Fillmoe_]

New Era has been making these types of hats for years, why make a fuss about it now? Honestly it isn't even that big of an issue. Its the equivalent of arguing about blue and red rags being sold still.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And I love baseball... I fail to see what it has to do with the discussion.

[thispego]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/BorninLAposter.jpg/395px-BorninLAposter.jpg
cheech marin is not in a gang. but he was born in east la

[Kori Ellis]

New Era has been making these types of hats for years, why make a fuss about it now? Honestly it isn't even that big of an issue. Its the equivalent of arguing about blue and red rags being sold still.

They have been selling white caps with the bandana image on them for years? I thought they came out last year.

[thispego]

So Joseph Abbot, who makes high end suits, and the inside of the suits have the color red with paisleys, are designing suits for the high end cripp or blood?
does joseph abbot specifically make high end suits for "urban youth culture"?

[T Park]

im shocked no one made a stink on that poster.

"The wrong side of the line"

WTF?? :lol

[thispego]

:lmao I finally got to see a picture of those caps.

Flat out targeting gangstas.
Thank you SB, you are wise

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Fillmoe's got a point. I haven't seen it anywhere, but I wonder how long the caps were out before people became upset.

[CuckingFunt]

They probably don't hang in downtown L.A. - they are in South Central.And Pasadena. And Altadena. And Torrance. And Duarte. And... pretty much everywhere.

[ChumpDumper]

Stupid design.

[T Park]

does joseph abbot specifically make high end suits for "urban youth culture"?

nope

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams

gangs take them and adopt them.

See my point now?

[thispego]

New Era has been making these types of hats for years, why make a fuss about it now? Honestly it isn't even that big of an issue. Its the equivalent of arguing about blue and red rags being sold still.
blue and red dew rags will never stop being sold, nor should they. New Era took these symbols and used them just and blood and crip gang memebrs used them.

[timvp]

This has been gong on for years. Seriously, this is nothing new. Companies have been "urban targeting" for like two decades now.

The first controversy I heard was when the Colorado Rockies came out with their logo. It was a blatant crips tie-in.

http://www.primocaps.com/retail/mlb/newera/Replica/NEREHMCO.jpg

Reebok has pioneered the practice in sports gear. I've read articles about it in the past. While yes, this one was more blatant than most, it's a common practice.

[T Park]

Theres gangsters that wear just a regular Yankees hat.

Theres punks that wear just a regular Cardinals or Reds hat.

Should New Era stop making those hats?

[thispego]

And I love baseball... I fail to see what it has to do with the discussion.
well i originally posted it in the baseball forum because it was baseball related... now that the Yankees are off the hook it's strictly New Era who fucked up

[T Park]

The first controversy I heard was when the Colorado Rockies came out with their logo. It was a blatant crips tie-in

Here I was stupid to think it was the C for Colorado, and the R for Rockies.

[thispego]

nope

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams

gangs take them and adopt them.

See my point now?
i've always seen your point and i think you get mine, you just want to stick to your original position, and that's cool, but surely you see what is wrong with these caps.. SURELY?

[Kori Ellis]

nope

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams

gangs take them and adopt them.

See my point now?

Nope.

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams.

But New Era specifically made these caps for gang members who root for the teams.

See the point now?

[timvp]

Here I was stupid to think it was the C for Colorado, and the R for Rockies.Are you also well versed in crips graffiti symbols that predated the existence of the Rockies?

[T Park]

but surely you see what is wrong with these caps.. SURELY?

I can see how it can be misconstrued as such yeah.

You interpret it as a totally gangster evil hat.

I look at it as an ugly yankees hat.

[thispego]

This has been gong on for years. Seriously, this is nothing new. Companies have been "urban targeting" for like two decades now.

The first controversy I heard was when the Colorado Rockies came out with their logo. It was a blatant crips tie-in.

http://www.primocaps.com/retail/mlb/newera/Replica/NEREHMCO.jpg

Reebok has pioneered the practice in sports gear. I've read articles about it in the past. While yes, this one was more blatant than most, it's a common practice.
yeah, i remember the colorado rockies and oakland raiders caps being adopted by certain gangs... it's a chicken and egg thing, i'm not entirely sure what came first

[T Park]

Are you also well versed in crips graffiti symbols that predated the existence of the Rockies?

Now they are copying old NHL Logos?

The bastards....

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

nope

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams

gangs take them and adopt them.

See my point now?

Ehhh...I have to disagree on that end.

These fashion caps are being marketed and designed for a youth culture.

Baseball guys like you and me aren't buying these caps.

[T Park]

But New Era specifically made these caps for gang members who root for the teams.

See the point now?

I've seen the point.

I just find it hard to believe.

[thispego]

I look at it as an ugly yankees hat.
but it's so much more than that

[Kori Ellis]

And Pasadena. And Altadena. And Torrance. And Duarte. And... pretty much everywhere.

Yeah I was just making the point that if TSA was on the lookout for high gang activity, it's not on the regular streets of downtown - that's mostly bums:lol But Crips & Bloods can be found easily in L.A. Go stand on the corner of MLK and Crenshaw.

[ShoogarBear]

Any chance they had of claiming innocence was lost by their color choice.

C'mon, red bandannas, blue bandannas, and a freaking gold crown?

:lmao :lmao :lmao

I guess the one good thing is that these gangs, like the Italian, Jewish, and Irish gangs before them, are proving to have economic clout.

[Fillmoe_]

They have been selling white caps with the bandana image on them for years? I thought they came out last year.

They used to have them in all blue and all red too. I just looked on their site right now and they are all gone. But I will look on the net because I am 100% sure I have seen them on their site.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

well i originally posted it in the baseball forum because it was baseball related... now that the Yankees are off the hook it's strictly New Era who fucked up

I know, it wasn't to you...it was to E20.

[T Park]

Baseball guys like you and me aren't buying these caps

Well I did buy a Cardinals hat that had a design of downtown on the hat with a star marking where Busch stadium is,

That im sure has been adopted by the Viagra 50s or whatever gang exists.

[thispego]

I've seen the point.

I just find it hard to believe.
i couldnt believe it myself when i saw the article, but that's the state of affairs these days

[TheSanityAnnex]

Then you probably don't know what you are looking for :lol

Just kidding.

They probably don't hang in downtown L.A. - they are in South Central.:rolleyesI worked all over L.A.............. Compton, Inglewood, Watts, Long Beach, Hawaiin Gardens etc. The bloods and crips are far outweighed in Los Angeles by Hispanic gangs.

[T Park]

They used to have them in all blue and all red too. I just looked on their site right now and they are all gone. But I will look on the net because I am 100% sure I have seen them on their site.



They had hats like them, in all colors with the paisleys on em.

Red.
Blue.
Green.
White.
Yellow.


Covering the gang gambit.

[Kori Ellis]

Well I did buy a Cardinals hat that had a design of downtown on the hat with a star marking where Busch stadium is,

That im sure has been adopted by the Viagra 50s or whatever gang exists.

But you are taking it backwards. You think that the company put out these hats and then the gangs just happened adopted them. When it's apparent that the company put out the hats catering to the gangs. That's who they were targeting.

[thispego]

In the city, city of Brentwood, they're really cool to all their homeless

[Kori Ellis]

They had hats like them, in all colors with the paisleys on em.

Red.
Blue.
Green.
White.
Yellow.


Covering the gang gambit.

:lol No they didn't. They just had red and blue bandanas, as far as I know.

[Kori Ellis]

:rolleyesI worked all over L.A.............. Compton, Inglewood, Watts, Long Beach, Hawaiin Gardens etc. The bloods and crips are far outweighed in Los Angeles by Hispanic gangs.

Yeah there's tons of Hispanic gangs (particularly the valley, Pasadena, and lots of the beach areas), but there are still many areas which are dominated with black gangs.

[Fillmoe_]

http://ecapcity.com/upload/goods/b11574_MOBBlackBIG.jpg


mob, in most cases just means money over bitches. mob is also a LA based gang. MOB PIRU BLOODS...

new era cap by the way.....

[thispego]

slightly less offensive

[Melmart1]

:rolleyesI worked all over L.A.............. Compton, Inglewood, Watts, Long Beach, Hawaiin Gardens etc. The bloods and crips are far outweighed in Los Angeles by Hispanic gangs.
Right, but these have a NYY logo, so perhaps it's being marketed to NYC only, meaning bloods and crips are still very prominent there. I have no idea about gang affiliiations in NYC. Or did they make Dodgers ones as well?

[Fillmoe_]

http://ecapcity.com/upload/goods/b11129_EASTSIDEBlackBig.jpg


and i wish i could find a picture of the all red and all blue bandana hats....... like TIMVP said corporations have been marketing to urban America for years... they don't care how much blood is shed.....

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah there's tons of Hispanic gangs (particularly the valley, Pasadena, and lots of the beach areas), but there are still many areas which are dominated with black gangs.I'd like to see some numbers because I'm actually curious if the number of black gang members has declined like I think it has. I was in some shady parts of the cities I mentioned too, taking blood to the back door of an emergency at strange hours of the night was not my favorite thing to do. Those hospitals were always filled with gang members in the waiting rooms and I saw more than a couple people shot laying on a hospital bed when I walked in. Glad I'm not doing that shit anymore.

[thispego]

Right, but these have a NYY logo, so perhaps it's being marketed to NYC only, meaning bloods and crips are still very prominent there. I have no idea about gang affiliiations in NYC. Or did they make Dodgers ones as well?
i only saw the NYY ones, we probably wont see anymore because New Error knows this shit wont fly

[Melmart1]

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and i wish i could find a picture of the all red and all blue bandana hats....... like TIMVP said corporations have been marketing to urban America for years... they don't care how much blood is shed.....
But tying it in with sports teams ... has that been happening for years? I thought that was the point of this. The Rockies logo is not a good argument, that was probably some clueless white guy who didn't know that was a gang symbol.

But the bandana NYY caps are pretty blatantly tying one of the most famous franchises in all of sports with gangs. That (as far as I know) has not been happening for ages.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The bloods and crips are in for a rude awakening once the Ms-13 takes over everything. Those El Salvadorians are fucking out of their minds and make our "gangsters" look like school kids. They kill unprovoked.

[CuckingFunt]

I'd like to see some numbers because I'm actually curious if the number of black gang members has declined like I think it has.
Without anything but my gut instinct to back it up, I can pretty much guarantee you that it hasn't.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd like to see some numbers because I'm actually curious if the number of black gang members has declined like I think it has. I was in some shady parts of the cities I mentioned too, taking blood to the back door of an emergency at strange hours of the night was not my favorite thing to do. Those hospitals were always filled with gang members in the waiting rooms and I saw more than a couple people shot laying on a hospital bed when I walked in. Glad I'm not doing that shit anymore.

Oh I think it definitely declined from the 80's/90's but I still think it's extremely prevalent. In the 90's though, it was horrible. There was so so much killing. I coached inner city boys basketball (14-17 year old range) for five years. Players had to leave their guns in a box outside the door before coming on the court :lol And we'd lose players by the week because they'd get killed on the street. It was horrible.

Yes, I think it's died down some since then. But Crips/Bloods is still pretty heavy. Lots of gangs stopped showing their colors so much because they were getting picked up to easily by the cops - so they started dressing in more normal colors and just sporting tats to show their affiliation.

[thispego]

But tying it in with sports teams ... has that been happening for years? I thought that was the point of this. The Rockies logo is not a good argument, that was probably some clueless white guy who didn't know that was a gang symbol.

But the bandana NYY caps are pretty blatantly tying one of the most famous franchises in all of sports with gangs. That (as far as I know) has not been happening for ages.
they gotta push the envelope to see how far they can go. Try out these new gang line of ball caps with the most popular team logo and see how it sells

[TheSanityAnnex]

Without anything but my gut instinct to back it up, I can pretty much guarantee you that it hasn't.Where do you live? When is the last time you've spent a decent amount of time there?

Most of the gang related crimes I saw on the news in the four years I lived there related to Hispanics.

[Fillmoe_]

http://www.routeone.co.uk/images/r1content/Products/31346_m.jpg

https://www.neweracap.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=eShop.ItemDetail&selTeam=atlbra&selStyle=FLP&selStyleSub=nvy

^ blue paisley beneath the hat makes it look like you have a bandana under the hat

[CuckingFunt]

Yes, I think it's died down some since then. But Crips/Bloods is still pretty heavy. Lots of gangs stopped showing their colors so much because they were getting picked up to easily by the cops - so they started dressing in more normal colors and just sporting tats to show their affiliation.

There was also a big public "truce" back when I was in high school, but it was bullshit. Half my friends back then were on one side or the other (I went to school in a largely blood neighborhood in Pasadena, but a good deal of the student body was from my neighborhood which was all ABC -- Altadena Black Crips), and that shit is still passed generationally through the family.

[atxrocker]

The bloods and crips are in for a rude awakening once the Ms-13 takes over everything. Those El Salvadorians are fucking out of their minds and make our "gangsters" look like school kids. They kill unprovoked.


i'd agree with this. ms-13 is by far one of the most violent and brutal gangs i've ever heard of.

[TheSanityAnnex]

In the 90's though, it was horrible. There was so so much killing. I coached inner city boys basketball (14-17 year old range) for five years. Players had to leave their guns in a box outside the door before coming on the court :lol And we'd lose players by the week because they'd get killed on the street. It was horrible.The 90's were nuts. That was the heyday of eastcoast/westcoast Tupac Westside Connection shit. Gang's were being glorified on MTV music videos daily. Looking back on it, I can't believe they aired that shit.


Lots of gangs stopped showing their colors so much because they were getting picked up to easily by the cops - So maybe these hats aren't a bad idea.

[TheSanityAnnex]

There was also a big public "truce" back when I was in high school, but it was bullshit. That "truce" is still going on for the original bloods/crips. Most of the kids claiming either/or these days isn't actually affiliated. This is ironic, but these kids are giving the bloods/crips a bad name. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

Where do you live? When is the last time you've spent a decent amount of time there?

Most of the gang related crimes I saw on the news in the four years I lived there related to Hispanics.I haven't lived there since I graduated high school, but was in touch with several people until a couple of years ago.

And I grew up in what could be affectionately known as "the hood."

[thispego]

I haven't lived there since I graduated high school, but was in touch with several people until a couple of years ago.

And I grew up in what could be affectionately known as "the hood."
damn, cuckingfunt, you're hardcore. i had no idea

[Fillmoe_]

i got money on this turning into a thread about CF, any takers?

[CuckingFunt]

damn, cuckingfunt, you're hardcore. i had no ideaFar from it.

[CuckingFunt]

i got money on this turning into a thread about CF, any takers?It probably won't if you don't turn it into one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lots of gangs stopped showing their colors so much because they were getting picked up to easily by the cops

:lol I don't think these guys are concerned about hiding their affiliation.

Ms-13

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/underseth/MS13.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/underseth/ms13-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/underseth/ms-13.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/underseth/MS-13_Face.jpg

[Whisky Dog]

You look at the styles of these caps and it's the flat bill, "gangsta" look that nobody but hood rats and wannabe's wear. That was so obvious in it's intent, especially the gold crown. The Latin Kings should sue them for logo enfringement it's so obvious. :lol

If I was the Yankees I'd be pissed off that my storied franchise is being tied in with such obvious gang targeted merchandise. Putting that Yankee symbol with the gold crown is basically saying that the New York Yankees endorse the Latin Kings and everything for which they stand. That's fucked up.

[thispego]

i got money on this turning into a thread about CF, any takers?
yeah, this thread went off topic 3 pages ago-

[Tim Donaghy]

i got money on this turning into a thread about CF, any takers?


What are the odds?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Cuckingfunt. Pasadena. Hood. :lmao

[Fillmoe_]

The one with the gold crown could also symbolize the famous "King of NY" moniker that rappers love to associate themselves with.

[thispego]

Far from it.
but you grew up in "the hood" you gotta be at least a little hardcore

[CuckingFunt]

Cuckingfunt. Pasadena. Hood. :lmaoAltadena, actually. And there's serious hood-age in both.

[CuckingFunt]

but you grew up in "the hood" you gotta be at least a little hardcoreNo. I had friends who were hardcore. I'm a big pussy.

[thispego]

What are the odds?
lololol, awesome

[leemajors]

The bloods and crips are in for a rude awakening once the Ms-13 takes over everything. Those El Salvadorians are fucking out of their minds and make our "gangsters" look like school kids. They kill unprovoked.
the special i saw on them was terrifying. the story told by brenda paz was very scary, as was the way she was taken out.

[thispego]

No. I had friends who were hardcore. I'm a big pussy.
ever kill a man?

[CuckingFunt]

ever kill a man?Me? Or my friends?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Altadena, actually. As in where my milk comes from? :lmao

[Fillmoe_]

PAZ is the most hardcore last name I have ever heard in my life......

[CuckingFunt]

As in where my milk comes from? :lmaoThe Alta Dena dairy is located in the City of Industry, not Altadena.

[TheSanityAnnex]

PAZ is the most hardcore last name I have ever heard in my life......Paz actually means Peace. Pretty hardcore huh?

[thispego]

Me? Or my friends?
would you admit to it? or just say that your friends killed the men that you killed?

[leemajors]

PAZ is the most hardcore last name I have ever heard in my life......
On July 23, 2003, Brenda Paz, a pregnant 17-year old girl, was found murdered on the banks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia. Police believed she was killed to prevent her from cooperating in MS-13 related investigations in six states. Four of her friends were later convicted of the murder.

[Mister Sinister]

Me? Or my friends?
Did you ever shoot a man in Reno? Just to watch him die?

[Fillmoe_]

Paz actually means Peace. Pretty hardcore huh?


i was actually referring to vinnie, but you know.....

[thispego]

On July 23, 2003, Brenda Paz, a pregnant 17-year old girl, was found murdered on the banks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia. Police believed she was killed to prevent her from cooperating in MS-13 related investigations in six states. Four of her friends were later convicted of the murder.
damn...

[atxrocker]

On July 23, 2003, Brenda Paz, a pregnant 17-year old girl, was found murdered on the banks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia. Police believed she was killed to prevent her from cooperating in MS-13 related investigations in six states. Four of her friends were later convicted of the murder.


i saw that same special. those motherfuckers are crazy. i met some some guys a while back that claimed they were ms-13, but i'm fairly sure they were frauds.

[Whisky Dog]

On July 23, 2003, Brenda Paz, a pregnant 17-year old girl, was found murdered on the banks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia. Police believed she was killed to prevent her from cooperating in MS-13 related investigations in six states. Four of her friends were later convicted of the murder.

Those Salvadorians actually started the gang in LA, then some were deported after committing crimes. All that did was give them a new audience in El Salvador to recruit more gang members and now they are estimated at over 100,000 strong worldwide. Multiplying like cockroaches.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Decent documentary on Ms-13.

I hope our government treats them as terrorists when punishing them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NsMCkRVzISQ&mode=related&search=

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK2iVfnWM-E

part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9z1aISt_Iz0&mode=related&search=

[Leetonidas]

nope

New Era makes caps for people who root for the teams

gangs take them and adopt them.

See my point now?
Uh, no. They took a design adopted by a gang many years ago and are marketing it in Harlem. What the hell is wrong with you? Why is everything so hard for you to grasp?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why is everything so hard for you to grasp?Why are you always two hours late?

[Leetonidas]

Why are you always two hours late?
I have no idea. I find these multipaged threads and I start reading through them and post when I feel necessary then continue reading.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Holy shit.......in part two the guy talks about Ms-13 playing football with the severed head of a rival. Damnnnnnnnnnn!

[Fillmoe_]

Decent documentary on Ms-13.

I hope our government treats them as terrorists when punishing them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NsMCkRVzISQ&mode=related&search=

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK2iVfnWM-E

part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9z1aISt_Iz0&mode=related&search=


killing childrens is the most pussy shit you can do.... i hope they hang this motherfucker and piss on his corpse

[timvp]

I had a response to this thread regarding MS-13, La eMe and the bloods and crips. But I decided tonight wasn't the time to piss off an entire gang.

I'll claim ignorance :smokin

[TheSanityAnnex]

After watching this documentary, I too agree with the host. How on Earth can Ms-13 be considered by the government to be the second biggest threat to our country after Al-Queda?

[Fillmoe_]

30 Billion dollars worth of cocaine.... Gangs aren't doing that shit, the government has to be involved.

[timvp]

San Antonio is the headquarters of La eMe (aka the Mexican Mafia). They've infiltrated the police department to the point that if you are a La eMe member in hiding, you come to San Antonio. Last I heard, MS-13 stopped trying to recruit here.

[T Park]

They've infiltrated the police department to the point that if you are a La eMe member in hiding

lovely...

makes you want to move.

[T Park]

Gangs aren't doing that shit, the government has to be involved.

lol

ooook

[T Park]

i couldnt believe it myself when i saw the article, but that's the state of affairs these days

I find it hard to believe in a day in age where you can get sued for you coffee being hot, and other harmless things, that they would go out on a limb and make that.

[Melmart1]

lovely...

makes you want to move.
Why? If nobody had ever told you, you would have gone on in ignorance and never known, and not wanted to move.

[T Park]

Why? If nobody had ever told you, you would have gone on in ignorance and never known, and not wanted to move.



True.

It does explain though the "not give a shit" attitude the police gave us a few summers back when burglers robbed our house 3 straight days, and took everything from the TV, to our home videos.

My mother literally has no baby pictures of me. Theres like no photographical evidenced I existed as a baby :lol

(awaits smart ass remarks)

[Melmart1]

No, I would never make fun of a home break-in, almost a year ago I was asleep when some asshole banged my door down and robbed the house. He came within in inches of banging down my bedroom door, God knows what he might have done. That shit ain't funny, and there is nothing to make fun of.

[ShoogarBear]

San Antonio is the headquarters of La eMe (aka the Mexican Mafia). They've infiltrated the police department to the point that if you are a La eMe member in hiding, you come to San Antonio. Last I heard, MS-13 stopped trying to recruit here.Why would a gang pick a name that is one letter away from being LaMe?

[E20]

Who would win in fight:

Al-Qaeda or MS-13
Italian Mafia vs MS-13
Al-Qaeda vs Italian Mafia
etc....list your own :lol

[Avitus1]

Looks like they are just trying to sell hats to me.

[leemajors]

Who would win in fight:

Al-Qaeda or MS-13
Italian Mafia vs MS-13
Al-Qaeda vs Italian Mafia
etc....list your own :lol
from what i have seen, ms13 has at least 100k in membership, steadily growing.

[ShoogarBear]

Jack Bauer vs. ms-13

[thispego]

Looks like they are just trying to sell hats to me.
your sig is from Born in East LA right? those internationals are trying to look like gang members so they can cross the border and blend in! LOLOL

[T Park]

Jack Bauer vs. ms-13


Jack Bauer.

Im shocked you would even have to ask.

[Fillmoe_]

late as fuck but i finally found the hat i was talking about.....


http://hatland.com/bigpics/NEFbanditonewyan-red.jpg
http://hatland.com/bigpics/NEFbanditolosdod-roy.jpg


both of those hats have been out since mid 06.... no one gave a shit back then.....

[thispego]

http://gothamist.com/2007/08/25/yankees_caps_wi.php

tpark... dumber than 8 year olds?

[Don Quixote]

I have noticed that the NY Yankees logo seems to be a prominent gang symbol, or at least a symbol of kids involved in hip-hop culture. I guess that's why I hate the Yankees.

[ATRAIN]

I have noticed that the NY Yankees logo seems to be a prominent gang symbol, or at least a symbol of kids involved in hip-hop culture. I guess that's why I hate the Yankees.



I think the Dodgers is prob associated with gangs more. The yankees is prob a very close second.

[balli]

Gangs still exist?

[Don Quixote]

Yeah, I guess so. I need to pick a baseball team -- but it won't be the Yanks or the Dodgers.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think it might have to do more with the Yankees logo being on every templated cap New Era makes. Let's face it, there aren't a ton of gang members rockin' Milwaukee Brewers gear.

[ATRAIN]

All I know is that I hate those flat billed caps, I feel like grabbing them and curving them. I have friends who wear them and one of them wanted to fight me because I curved his bill hahahaha. I just laughed at him because he is no where near a gangster.