Yet Another Moral Repug Showing Us The Way to Christ

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Idaho Senator Arrested in Airport

By Paul Kane and Shailagh Murray
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer and Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 27, 2007; 7:36 PM


Sen. Larry Craig (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c000858/) (R-Idaho) pleaded guilty earlier this month to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges stemming from his June arrest by an undercover police officer in a men's restroom in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, a court spokeswoman and the senator's office said today.

Craig issued a statement confirming the arrest and said that he pleaded guilty to the charge. But he maintained Monday evening that he had not engaged in any "inappropriate conduct" and that the airport police misunderstood his actions.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct," Craig said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

Craig, who is married and the father of three grown children, is up for re-election in 2008. He did not address his political future.

The story was first reported by the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call, which cited a copy of a report by the airport's police division. It said that airport police had been conducting a sting operation inside that men's room because of complaints of sexual activity there.

According to the police report, the undercover officer set up his position in the restroom at noon on June 11. A few minutes later, Craig entered and sat in the stall next to him. Craig began tapping his right foot, touched his right foot to the left foot of the officer in the stall next to him and brushed his hand beneath the partition into the stall next to him. He was then arrested.

While he was interviewed about the incident, according to the police report, Craig gave police a business card showing he was a United States senator. "What do you think about that?" Craig asked the officer, according to the report obtained by Roll Call.

Airport police declined to comment Monday evening. Nancy Peters, a spokeswoman for the Hennepin County District Court confirmed the charges. Craig paid $500 in fines and was placed on one year's probation, beginning Aug. 8, the date he pleaded guilty. A 10-day jail sentence was stayed.

Staff researcher Madonna Lebling contributed to this report.

[PixelPusher]

Deviancy is the offspring of repression.

[Ocotillo]

Hmmm, I wonder what Mrs. Craig said to Senator Craig when she found out about this? Oh to be a fly on the wall. This dude is up for re-election in '08. Idaho would be a tough place for the Dems to win but then again, neighboring Montana now has two Democratic U.S. Senators and a Democratic Governor.

[ggoose25]

hanky panky in the men's room. sweet

[Holt's Cat]

Hmmm, I wonder what Mrs. Craig said to Senator Craig when she found out about this? Oh to be a fly on the wall. This dude is up for re-election in '08. Idaho would be a tough place for the Dems to win but then again, neighboring Montana now has two Democratic U.S. Senators and a Democratic Governor.

New Mexico has a Demo Governor and one Demo US Senator. Ditto for Louisiana.

[exstatic]

The implosion of the former GOP house of cards majority is just breathtaking to behold. Could these hypocrites be fucking themselves any harder? :lol:rollin

[gtownspur]

The moral of the story kids is that democrat polticians convicted of child pornography are better than Christian men who have gay tendencies. Atleast the Child predator was true to his pedoness.

Sincerely,

PixelPusher.

[exstatic]

The moral of the story kids is that democrat polticians convicted of child pornography are better than Christian men who have gay tendencies. Atleast the Child predator was true to his pedoness.

Sincerely,

PixelPusher.
Democrats don't claim to be the party of values. It's funnier when it happens to a member of that self declared party. :lol:rollin

Apparently, in addition to gay tendencies, he has moron tendencies, too. I can't believe he handed them his Senate business card. What a fucking stooge. :lol

[PixelPusher]

The moral of the story kids is that democrat polticians convicted of child pornography are better than Christian men who have gay tendencies. Atleast the Child predator was true to his pedoness.

Sincerely,

PixelPusher.
All of that from a simple declarative statement "Deviancy is the offspring of repression". You're such a douche.

[gtownspur]

Democrats don't claim to be the party of values. It's funnier when it happens to a member of that self declared party. :lol:rollin

Apparently, in addition to gay tendencies, he has moron tendencies, too. I can't believe he handed them his Senate business card. What a fucking stooge. :lol


Child pornography is also breaking the law. Are the democrats atleast concious of that.

Idiot.

[gtownspur]

All of that from a simple declarative statement "Deviancy is the offspring of repression". You're such a douche.


it's not far fatched to think of you as a partisan asshat.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm sorry but since the GOP has beaten the democrats over the head the last few elections about being the party of family values (anti-gay) legislation..the party of moral superiority etc... this is pretty clear that some in the GOP are outright hypocrites...

[101A]

Some blatant hypocrites?

Absolutely.

It's not like the right on this board haven't bashed the left about Gore's (and other self righteous enviro-fascists') conspicuous consumption. Turnabout is fair play.

[johnsmith]

I love this shit. Republicans are hypocritical. Ok, I'll give you that some republicans are indeed hypocritical. But to act like the stupid, illegal shit that democrats do is ok because they don't preach against it is just fucking retarded.

The problem with liberals is that they complain about everything and celebrate the downfall of mankind.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I love this shit. Republicans are hypocritical. Ok, I'll give you that some republicans are indeed hypocritical. But to act like the stupid, illegal shit that democrats do is ok because they don't preach against it is just fucking retarded.

The problem with liberals is that they complain about everything and celebrate the downfall of mankind.

I never said I agree 100% with what the democrats are doing. I just am amazed that some one the right are blinded by their own hypocrisy..

I'm not a hypocrite.

[101A]

I love this shit. Republicans are hypocritical. Ok, I'll give you that some republicans are indeed hypocritical. But to act like the stupid, illegal shit that democrats do is ok because they don't preach against it is just fucking retarded.

The problem with liberals is that they complain about everything and celebrate the downfall of mankind.

I also find it kind of funny the way the left gets so damned excited about one of these clowns turning out to be saying one thing, while doing another. Why do they say what they say? Because they want votes; it's not like they are defining the agenda; they are pandering to it!

It doesn't make fewer people believe like they believe when this happens, it probably just make most look a little harder the next time they vote at the candidate; try and get one that is what he (or she) says he is. Ultimately, however, if the freak votes the way you wanted anyway, no harm done, realistically speaking.

I can guaranty, ain't no liberal getting elected out of Idaho, regardless.

[johnsmith]

I never said I agree 100% with what the democrats are doing. I just am amazed that some one the right are blinded by their own hypocrisy..

I'm not a hypocrite.


I agree with you completely and I understand that you don't agree with everything the democrats are doing. I just don't think it's fair that liberals laugh and joke about what the repubs do but it's ok for them because they don't talk about it.


Oh, and not to completely change the subject, but my wife was watching a TIVO'd Oprah last night (oprah is satan by the way), and she had a video about Bill Clinton and then talked about him like he is this great guy. Isn't Oprah supposed to be the Queen of all that is woman? Isn't she supposed to dislike Bill because of what he did to his man-wife? Since he's a liberal then it's ok by Oprah? Seems a touch hypocritical.

Sorry to change the subject, but that annoyed the shit out of me.

[johnsmith]

I also find it kind of funny the way the left gets so damned excited about one of these clowns turning out to be saying one thing, while doing another. Why do they say what they say? Because they want votes; it's not like they are defining the agenda; they are pandering to it!

It doesn't make fewer people believe like they believe when this happens, it probably just make most look a little harder the next time they vote at the candidate; try and get one that is what he (or she) says he is. Ultimately, however, if the freak votes the way you wanted anyway, no harm done, realistically speaking.

I can guaranty, ain't no liberal getting elected out of Idaho, regardless.


I lived in Idaho for a while, you are absolutely right.

[xrayzebra]

No guilt in the dimm-o-craptic party. They honor their own and praise his skills



..........http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z273/xrayzebra/Barney.jpg

[Oh, Gee!!]

Romney sure knows how to pick campaign chairmen

[clambake]

It's a perfect disguise, a nice camouflage this party of morals. But it only works on republican minions, and anyone whose ever lived in Idaho.

[101A]

It's a perfect disguise, a nice camouflage this party of morals. But it only works on republican minions, and anyone whose ever lived in Idaho.

BECAUSE he is a Republican, from a conservative state, he will now lose his job, and pretty much be shamed for eternity, as his constituents exact revenge for his hypocrisy and apparent immoral lifestyle. He is the hypocrite, not his constituents.

What, exactly has worked for him?

[FromWayDowntown]

No guilt in the dimm-o-craptic party. They honor their own and praise his skills


..........http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z273/xrayzebra/Barney.jpg

So are you suggesting that the lone problem in this situation is homosexuality? Maybe we need a law to outlaw gay, right? Or a regulation that prohibits elected officials from being homosexuals, too?

Barney Frank is a gay man -- that alone doesn't make him guilty of anything(other than perhaps being different than xray, I guess). I'm really not sure, therefore, that I get the reference to Barney Frank in this thread. He didn't solicit sex in a public restroom and he hasn't ever intimated that he's anything other than what he holds himself out to be.

[clambake]

What, exactly has worked for him?

the republican high horse and their inauthentic expressions of faith. they know how to fool the self-proclaimed righteous.

[ggoose25]

to xray being gay is a sin.

[xrayzebra]

So are you suggesting that the lone problem in this situation is homosexuality? Maybe we need a law to outlaw gay, right? Or a regulation that prohibits elected officials from being homosexuals, too?

Barney Frank is a gay man -- that alone doesn't make him guilty of anything(other than perhaps being different than xray, I guess). I'm really not sure, therefore, that I get the reference to Barney Frank in this thread. He didn't solicit sex in a public restroom and he hasn't ever intimated that he's anything other than what he holds himself out to be.

No I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the
dimm-o-craps. Those on this board seemed obsessed with
the Craig and the fact he was arrested in a men's room
at the airport.

The dimm-o-craps supposedly embrace the homosexuals,
but only if they are dimm-o-craps I suppose. Much
like the fact they loved to be referred to as the rainbow
party but put down an hispanics and blacks if they are
Republicans.

And you refer to Barney as being nothing but different
from me. Guess the little slip he made when his
roomy was running a male prostitution ring out of his
apartment some years back. Barney of course knew
nothing about it.......yeah, sure.

I could care less if a person practice homosexuality.
Just so long as they don't want me to accept it as a
normal way of life. Because it damn sure isn't. It is
a sexual practice that they are trying to legitimize,
which they have done a pretty good job of. Of course
now they say they just want their civil rights. Guess
sex is a civil right issue. Hell, I could care less if those
that practice their way of life and marry those horses
that kill them occasionally. Except the marriage shouldn't
be legal.

So FWD if you are trying to shame me into the PC
crap you have failed.

I personally find it strange that a man of Craig's
position would try some kind of crap in the men's
room at an airport at high-noon. I would think he
had more smarts than that. But he claims he plead
out to the misdemeanor and thought that would be
then end of it, which again doesn't make sense.
But people who support such a corrupt party as
the dimm-o-craps haven't got any business making
fun of an individual that supposedly committed an
homosexual offense since their party embraces them
so long as they support their party.

[DarkReign]

Oh, I am sure we'd all have the same laugh if a Democrat were arrested soliciting gay-head in an airport bathroom.

Until then, get the joke and laugh with it. Cuz the shit is funny.

He got George Michael-ed. In an airport. Moron....

[Holt's Cat]

GOP politicians do not have a monopoly on hypocrisy, despite the best efforts of the left wing cluster in this forum.

As for "values", hardly a political issue in the US these days is not cast in moralistic tones, with those in disagreement painted as degenerates, heathens, idiots, or whatever (ie abortion, global warming, nationalized health insurance, gay marriage, etc...).

It's not surprising that a majority of eligible US voters decline to exercise their right to vote in most federal elections.

[xrayzebra]

Oh, I am sure we'd all have the same laugh if a Democrat were arrested soliciting gay-head in an airport bathroom.

Until then, get the joke and laugh with it. Cuz the shit is funny.

He got George Michael-ed. In an airport. Moron....

Oh, I don't think they were trying to make that point at
all.

Hey DR, I have been meaning to ask you, what is the
name of the Parkway that goes into Canada from Detriot?

I have driven it several times, long, long ago and it was
called the Blue Water or something like that.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I could care less if a person practice homosexuality.
Just so long as they don't want me to accept it as a
normal way of life. Because it damn sure isn't.


Reason #26,786,897 old people like Xray should be ignored

[DarkReign]

Hey DR, I have been meaning to ask you, what is the
name of the Parkway that goes into Canada from Detriot?

I have driven it several times, long, long ago and it was
called the Blue Water or something like that.

The Blue Water Bridge up near Port Huron, MI.

There is also the Windsor Tunnel, in Detroit.

The Windsor Tunnel actually is the beginning of Canada's most traveled Highway, the 401. Spans from Michigan to Montreal. Beyond Montreal, its known as I-40.

[DarkReign]

Oh, I don't think they were trying to make that point at
all.

Oh yes, I do. Dont get me wrong, I think they were definately finding the irony in that it was a member of the self proclaimed "family values" party that was doing this, but that is the humor in a small part.

Bottom line, some gay Senator got caught soliciting gay-head in a bathroom. I found it hilarious when George Michael was caught doing the same thing and find it just as, if not more so, when a Senator gets caught doing it.

Him being Republican is just a punch-line.

[clambake]

maybe it shows just how much faith Craig has in polls/poles.

[101A]

GOP politicians do not have a monopoly on hypocrisy, despite the best efforts of the left wing cluster in this forum.

As for "values", hardly a political issue in the US these days is not cast in moralistic tones, with those in disagreement painted as degenerates, heathens, idiots, or whatever (ie abortion, global warming, nationalized health insurance, gay marriage, etc...).

It's not surprising that a majority of eligible US voters decline to exercise their right to vote in most federal elections.

amen, feline.

[101A]

Reason #26,786,897 old people like Xray should be ignored

Police thought much?

[atxrocker]

He got George Michael-ed. In an airport. Moron....


:lol I was thinking the same thing. and it is pretty amusing all the conservatives around here down playing this whole thing.

[101A]

:lol I was thinking the same thing. and it is pretty amusing all the conservatives around here down playing this whole thing.

Everybody agrees the guy is going down (so to speak); not sure who's downplaying it.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Police thought much?

Police opinions much?

[j-6]

Note to self: next time you're having trouble dropping a load in a public restroom, don't tap your foot anxiously.

[Holt's Cat]

Note to self: next time you're having trouble dropping a load in a public restroom, don't tap your foot anxiously.

No shit.

[101A]

No shit.

...in rare form.

[Spurminator]

Note to self: next time you're having trouble dropping a load in a public restroom, don't tap your foot anxiously.


Also, if you find out you're out of TP when it's too late, request help instead of reaching into the stall next to you.

[ChumpDumper]

From the Boise paper:

Sen. Larry Craig has spent 27 years in Congress — with rumors about his sexual orientation following him almost from the outset. Now, after the report of Craig's arrest at a Minnesota airport restroom, Idaho's senior senator must speak candidly with the people who have hired him for more than a quarter of a century. He owes this to voters — no matter how difficult that may be for him and for his family. And voters owe Craig a chance to explain himself....

This bizarre case now moves into the court of public opinion, where Craig has a lot of explaining to do:

• If Craig's actions in the restroom were misconstrued and he was not involved in any inappropriate conduct, as he said in a statement Monday, then why did he plead guilty?

Craig says, in hindsight, he should not have pleaded guilty and "should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter." On the surface, it seems implausible that any educated professional — much less an elected official — would face criminal proceedings without hiring an attorney.

• Did Craig try to use his title to make the case go away? According to the police report, Craig handed the plainclothes officer a U.S. Senate business card during an interview with police, and asked the officer, "What do you think about that?"

This suggests an inexcusable abuse of power. Craig was elected to represent Idaho's interests in the Senate — not to use the title of U.S. senator in his own self-interest during a police interrogation.

• Why did Craig not come forward after the June 11 arrest? Did he honestly think this would never become public? For Craig to keep this from his constituents, for 11 weeks, is not merely bad public relations. It's an unacceptable breach of trust.

• Craig has said he is not gay — repeating this assertion, categorically, in a May interview with the Statesman. Does he maintain that today, or has he been lying, blatantly and repeatedly, to his constituents? Elected officials have a right to privacy, but also an obligation to tell the truth about who they are.

Yes, we have pointed questions, as many Idahoans surely do. But there's a difference between asking hard questions and making snap judgments. We ask Idahoans to await the answers before passing judgment.

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003632039

Pretty reasonable.

[PixelPusher]

• Did Craig try to use his title to make the case go away? According to the police report, Craig handed the plainclothes officer a U.S. Senate business card during an interview with police, and asked the officer, "What do you think about that?"

Not that expect any congressman to read Spurstalk, but for future reference, this isn't the 1950's; showing off your congressional I.D. is less likely to come across as and appeal to authority, and more likely to to confirm you to be the douchebag the cops suspects you to be.

[Holt's Cat]

So the Idaho GOP gets a chance to replace an aging senator preoccupied with anonymous bathroom penile procurement for a younger senator with no such predilications who would be likely to rack up 3 or so consecutive terms.

[Oh, Gee!!]

win-win?

[ChumpDumper]

I just want to hear the whole story from him. Should be hilarious.

[atxrocker]

Hell, I could care less if those
that practice their way of life and marry those horses
that kill them occasionally.



:lmao :lmao :lmao how in the fuck did i miss this the first time around?

[Holt's Cat]

I just want to hear the whole story from him. Should be hilarious.

Well, he can opt for the 'I was just tapping my feet and trying to get some extra TP (not BJ) from the guy in the neighboring stall (I guess I am the only man ever to run out of BJ, er, I mean TP in a public restroom) when all of a sudden I was arrested. I pled guilty to get it over with, you know, like a speeding ticket, yeah.' line and then try to hang on to the remaining 16 months of his term before retiring to his own private Idaho.

My guess is he resigns and the governor appoints a younger Republican to fill out Craig's term and give that replacement a leg up (so to speak) on the '08 race.

[Nbadan]

In case you missed it, a CBS station in SaC-town recreated the Craig bathroom incident...

Just what we need - visuals (http://cbs13.com/video/[email protected])

[101A]

In case you missed it, a CBS station in SaC-town recreated the Craig bathroom incident...

Just what we need - visuals (http://cbs13.com/video/[email protected])


Oh, THAT'S what I've been doing wrong!

It's tap foot THEN contact - THEN hand motioning. Had it all bassackward (so to speak)

[tsb2000]

He did not....have...sex with that man....Mr. Lewinsky.....

:lmao

[atxrocker]

(CNN) -- Sen. Larry Craig said that he "overreacted and made a poor decision" in pleading guilty to disorderly conduct after his June arrest following an incident in a Minneapolis airport bathroom.

In his first public statement on the arrest, the Idaho Republican said he did nothing 'inappropriate' and also said, "I am not gay."

A police officer who arrested him June 11 said Craig peered through a crack in a restroom stall door for two minutes and made gestures suggesting to the officer he wanted to engage in "lewd conduct."
Craig's blue eyes were clearly visible through the crack in the door, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport police Sgt. Dave Karsnia wrote in the report he filed on the June 11 incident.

"Craig would look down at his hands, 'fidget' with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again," Karsnia wrote in documents accompanying the arrest report.

Craig said the officer misinterpreted his actions.

Senate Republican leaders are calling for an ethics committee to review.

Craig, 62, pleaded guilty August 8 to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge in the incident, according to Minnesota criminal records.

The officer wrote that he was on a plainclothes detail in the restroom because of citizen complaints and arrests for sexual activity there.

Karsnia wrote that when the person occupying the stall beside him left, Craig entered it and blocked the door with his rolling suitcase.

"My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall," the officer said in his report.

The senator then tapped his right foot, "a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct," Karsnia wrote, and Craig ran his left hand several times underneath the partition dividing the stalls.

"The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area," the officer's report said.

When the police interviewed him later, the senator said that "he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom" and that was why his foot may have touched the officer's, the report said.

Craig also told police that he had reached down to the floor to pick up a piece of paper, the officer wrote.

"It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper," Karsnia wrote.

"During the interview, Craig either disagreed with me or 'didn't recall' the events as they happened."

After Craig ran his hand underneath the partition wall three times, Karsnia held his police identification down by the floor so the senator could see it, the report said.

"With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, 'No!'

"I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet," Karsnia wrote.

The senator initially resisted the officer's request to go to the police operations center, he said, but finally did. There, he was read his Miranda rights, interviewed, photographed, fingerprinted and released, the report said.

The Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call first reported the arrest Monday. Watch a reporter discuss how news of the arrest broke »

In a statement released Monday evening, Craig denied any inappropriate conduct and said he regrets his guilty plea, which he entered without having an attorney present.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct," he said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

Craig paid a $500 fine when he entered his guilty plea in Hennepin County Municipal Court in Bloomington, Minnesota, according to state criminal records.

In his petition to enter a guilty plea, Craig acknowledged that he "engaged in (physical) conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm or resentment."

He also was required to stipulate in the statement that he would "make no claim that I am innocent of the charge to which I am entering a plea of not guilty," the document said.

On Tuesday, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint with the Senate Ethics Committee, asking that the senator's conduct be investigated. The group, which largely targets Republicans, asked the committee to probe whether Craig "violated the Senate Rules of Conduct by engaging in disorderly conduct," a statement said.

"If pleading guilty to charges stemming from an attempt to solicit an undercover officer in a public restroom is not conduct that reflects poorly upon the Senate, what is?" asked Melanie Sloan, the group's executive director, in a statement. Sloan is a former U.S. attorney in the Clinton administration's Justice Department.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, chairwoman of the Ethics Committee, declined to comment on whether an investigation would be conducted. Her office noted the committee's work is generally confidential.

A Senate aide familiar with Ethics Committee practices said ethics rules do not specifically require a member to disclose pleading guilty to a misdemeanor. But the rules require the panel to look into a matter and determine whether an investigation is appropriate once a formal complaint is lodged.

Craig resigned Monday night as a Senate liaison for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. Romney's son Josh canceled a trip to Idaho on Tuesday.

Craig, Idaho's senior senator, is married with three grown children and nine grandchildren. A former rancher, he was first elected to the Senate in 1990 after serving a decade in the House of Representatives. His seat is up for re-election in 2008.

Last fall, Craig's office publicly denied assertions by Internet blogger Mike Rogers that the senator is gay. Craig's office dismissed speculation about the senator's sexuality as "completely ridiculous."

In 1982, Craig denied rumors that he was under investigation as part of a federal probe into allegations that lawmakers on Capitol Hill had sexual relationships with congressional pages, saying the "false allegations" made him "mad as hell."

He was never implicated in that investigation, which led to ethics charges against two other congressmen.

In recent years, Craig's voting record has earned him top ratings from social conservative groups such as the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council.

He has supported a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, telling his colleagues that it was "important for us to stand up now and protect traditional marriage, which is under attack by a few unelected judges and litigious activists."

In 1996, Craig also voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition to same-sex marriages and prevents states from being forced to recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples legally performed in other states.

Craig also has opposed expanding the federal hate crimes law to cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias and, in 1996, voted against a bill that would have outlawed employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, which failed by a single vote in the Senate. E-mail to a friend

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/28/craig.arrest/index.html

:lmao :lmao this is too much.

[Holt's Cat]

He's not gay, he has a disease.

[clambake]

ray had a point about people marrying horses. turns out that Craig was a rancher.

[Holt's Cat]

Mug shot up on Drudge:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070828/capt.8e6755ca91fb4814b811a81804223128.craig_arrest _ny116.jpg

...complete with Old Glory lapel pin.

[clambake]

a flag pin and blue tie just screams flaming homo these days.

[Holt's Cat]

Apparently a former pledge of Craig's frat has come forward to state that Craig wanted his cock back in the 70s.

[Holt's Cat]

The Statesman also spoke with a man who said Craig made a sexual advance toward him at the University of Idaho in 1967 and a man who said Craig 'cruised' him for sex in 1994 at the REI store in Boise. The Statesman also explored dozens of allegations that proved untrue, unclear or unverifiable.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003631879

[exstatic]

...but he's not gay. These nasty rumors have just been following him around...for forty fucking years.

[jochhejaam]

Barney Frank is a gay man -- ...and he hasn't ever intimated that he's anything other than what he holds himself out to be.
Unless Frank has always been open about his sexuality then there was a time where he wasn't honest about what he holds himself out to be.


Barney Frank May 1987: U.S. representative Barney Frank remembers when he became the first congressman to come out on his own - Rebels & Pioneers
Advocate, The, Nov 12, 2002 by Barney Frank
Reaction to my coming-out helped me grasp two important points. First, most Americans aren't homophobic; they just think they're supposed to be. Second, concealing our sexual orientation helps keep straight people ignorant of the personal and social costs of homophobia.

As word began to circulate early in 1987 that I was thinking about finally telling people the truth about my sexuality, many of the most liberal members of Congress tried to dissuade me. They were convinced that it would diminish my effectiveness. I did not disagree, but I explained that I could no longer live the semicrazed, semisecret life of the closet.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2002_Nov_12/ai_94598263

Not a big deal, it's just that what you intimated wasn't true.

[ChumpDumper]

Unless Frank has always been open about his sexuality then there was a time where he wasn't honest about what he holds himself out to be.Did anyone him ask before 1987?

[ChumpDumper]

Gotta say Craig is a dumbass for not letting Romney and other Republicans know about this before they read it in the paper.

[jochhejaam]

Did anyone him ask before 1987?
Is that suppose to pass as the litmus test as to whether or not you're open about you're sexuality?

Never asked, don't tell? Hmmm...

[ChumpDumper]

Is that suppose to pass as the litmus test as to whether or not you're open about you're sexuality?

Never asked, don't tell? Hmmm...It's a question. Did anyone ask him before he came out?

Can you answer the question?

[Wild Cobra]

OK. We know this guy is finished as a republican, and I say good. My question is:

Would he still have a job if he were a democrat being caught under the same situation?

[jochhejaam]

It's a question. Did anyone ask him before he came out?

Can you answer the question?
It sound like his siblings may have:

When I got to be 13, in 1953, it dawned on me that I was gay,” Frank said during a double-interview some days ago that started out (in person) during a Gay Pride party in Manhattan and resumed 40 hours later (by telephone) from San Francisco — a city where, incidentally, the gay-marriage outside-the-law defiance does not meet with his approval.


“There I was, at 13, part of the most detested minority in the world, fully believing I could never tell anybody in the world about it in my life.”


Wasn’t there anybody with whom you could talk?


“No. Absolutely nobody in the whole world. Eventually my siblings” — two sisters, one brother — “figured it out. I must say I was probably unfair to my family.”

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_64/franktalkonsexuality.html


I think that qualifies as a refutation of WDT's contention that he never tried to hide his homosexuality.

Again, no big deal, just trying to set the record straight

[ChumpDumper]

OK. We know this guy is finished as a republican, and I say good. My question is:

Would he still have a job if he were a democrat being caught under the same situation?
Depends on if he railed against homosexuals his entire government career.

[ChumpDumper]

It sound like his siblings may have:

When I got to be 13, in 1953, it dawned on me that I was gay,” Frank said during a double-interview some days ago that started out (in person) during a Gay Pride party in Manhattan and resumed 40 hours later (by telephone) from San Francisco — a city where, incidentally, the gay-marriage outside-the-law defiance does not meet with his approval.


“There I was, at 13, part of the most detested minority in the world, fully believing I could never tell anybody in the world about it in my life.”


Wasn’t there anybody with whom you could talk?


“No. Absolutely nobody in the whole world. Eventually my siblings” — two sisters, one brother — “figured it out. I must say I was probably unfair to my family.”

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_64/franktalkonsexuality.html


I think that qualifies as a refutation of WDT's contention that he never tried to hide his homosexuality.

Again, no big deal, just trying to set the record straightSeems like a really big deal to you. I wonder why.

[jochhejaam]

Seems like a really big deal to you. I wonder why.
I think you're the one that engaged me, other than that I would have been done with it.

[ChumpDumper]

I think you're the one that engaged me, other than that I would have been done with it.You're the one who brought it up. It was that important to you.

[exstatic]

It sound like his siblings may have:

When I got to be 13, in 1953, it dawned on me that I was gay,” Frank said during a double-interview some days ago that started out (in person) during a Gay Pride party in Manhattan and resumed 40 hours later (by telephone) from San Francisco — a city where, incidentally, the gay-marriage outside-the-law defiance does not meet with his approval.


“There I was, at 13, part of the most detested minority in the world, fully believing I could never tell anybody in the world about it in my life.”


Wasn’t there anybody with whom you could talk?


“No. Absolutely nobody in the whole world. Eventually my siblings” — two sisters, one brother — “figured it out. I must say I was probably unfair to my family.”

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_64/franktalkonsexuality.html


I think that qualifies as a refutation of WDT's contention that he never tried to hide his homosexuality.

Again, no big deal, just trying to set the record straight
I think there are probably degrees of hiding. There is not telling anyone, and then on the other end of the bell curve there is marrying a beard, and joining the politically gay bashing GOP. I think comparing a Congressman who has been out for decades to this fool who is into bathroom sex in his 60s and heavy into denial isn't really a valid comparison, other than they both work in the Capitol building.

[jochhejaam]

You're the one who brought it up.
And you're the one that engaged me without refuting what the point I made. In fact, you've submitted 4 post in response to me without making any points whatsoever, so not only have you been the one to make a big deal out of my post, but you've simultaneoulsy managed to make an arse out of yourself.

Two for the price of one, what a clever little fellow you are. :lol



On the other hand, I corrected a misleading statement made by another poster (I believe that most of us, FWD included, want the truth), that hardly qualifies as making a big deal out something.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't have much of a point to refute since Franks' story bears no resemblance to Craig's.

Besides -- Craig isn't gay -- he just said so.

[jochhejaam]

I think there are probably degrees of hiding. There is not telling anyone, and then on the other end of the bell curve there is marrying a beard, and joining the politically gay bashing GOP. I think comparing a Congressman who has been out for decades to this fool who is into bathroom sex in his 60s and heavy into denial isn't really a valid comparison, other than they both work in the Capitol building.

I wasn't the one that brought Franks into the discussion (I realize that you're not implying that I did...), and I agree that the comparison wasn't a good one.


Oh, and a generic labeling of the GOP as being "gay bashing" is an outdated and unwarranted generalization.
As Barney Frank so eloquently put it, "most people aren't homophobic".

[DarkReign]

I think you're the one that engaged me...

Heeeeey! Take that to another room!

GOD!

[jochhejaam]

You didn't have much of a point to refute since Franks' story bears no resemblance to Craig's.

Besides -- Craig isn't gay -- he just said so.

Oh, and just between you and me, I'm purposely misrepresenting what you said to distract others from the fact that you've completely manhandled me in this thread..

Understood, and I promise to keep that little admission between the two of us.

[DarkReign]

Understood, and I promise to keep that little admission between the two of us.

What the hell?!

WTF is going on around here?!

Im surrounded by queers!!

[DarkReign]

...feel like Im in Congress again...

[ChumpDumper]

I wasn't the one that brought Franks into the discussion (I realize that you're not implying that I did...), and I agree that the comparison wasn't a good one.


Oh, and a generic labeling of the GOP as being "gay bashing" is an outdated and unwarranted generalization.
As Barney Frank so eloquently put it, "most people aren't homophobic".Actually the quote is "most people aren’t homophobic, they just feel that they are supposed to be."

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2004/10/22/News/Frank.Gives.Candid.Speech.About.Gay.Rights-1471702.shtml

He said most people bear gays no ill will, but they are influenced by respected citizens, such as the president, who say gay marriage will be socially chaotic. “Unfortunately, many people believe them,” Frank added.



Not that it's a big deal, I'm just sure you want the truth. There it is.

You're welcome.

[jochhejaam]

Actually the quote is "most people aren’t homophobic, they just feel that they are supposed to be."
Not that it's a big deal, I'm just sure you want the truth. There it is.

You're welcome.
And I submitted that he stated "most people aren't homophobic".

And my post of his quote was false? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It was quite incomplete, and the context dovetailed rather nicely with Craig, one of those (formerly) respected citizens who influenced others to act in a homophobic manner, even if he contends they are not naturally so inclined.

Not that it's a big deal, I'm just sure you want to know the truth. There it is.

[Holt's Cat]

OK. We know this guy is finished as a republican, and I say good. My question is:

Would he still have a job if he were a democrat being caught under the same situation?


Oh really? (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=K000306)

[Holt's Cat]

Really? (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=G000524)

[exstatic]

Oh, and a generic labeling of the GOP as being "gay bashing" is an outdated and unwarranted generalization.
As Barney Frank so eloquently put it, "most people aren't homophobic".
You're having a time with leaving things out of quotes tonight, like the word political in front of the gay bashing. What this administration and it's previous GOP Congresses have done can hardly be described otherwise.

[Holt's Cat]

Anyways, what was Craig thinking by pleading guilty? All the cop had was that he tapped his feet and what not. Out of the ordinary? Sure. But not conclusive. It's not like he directly asked the cop to !@#$ his !@#$. I guess he thought it would be easier if he just got it over with.

[jochhejaam]

You're having a time with leaving things out of quotes tonight, like the word political in front of the gay bashing. What this administration and it's previous GOP Congresses have done can hardly be described otherwise.
Quite the stretch to make a point and you still fell far short of doing so.

But pray tell ex, what's this huge difference in the following statements that inspired you to make such a stink?

exstatic
You categorized the GOP as being:
"the politically gay bashing GOP"

jochhejaam
My post of your categorization of the GOP:
the GOP as being "gay bashing"

[exstatic]

Quite the stretch to make a point and you still fell far short of doing so.

But pray tell ex, what's this huge difference in the following statements that inspired you to make such a stink?

exstatic
You categorized the GOP as being:
"the politically gay bashing GOP"

jochhejaam
My post of your categorization of the GOP:
the GOP as being "gay bashing"
Minus the political, it implies some sort of Krystal Nacht physicality of assault that isn't there. Political versus physical. An assualt on rights, and not their persons. Got it? :)

BTW, it wasn't a "stink", at least not in my book. Just another case of having to explain nuances to you.

[atxrocker]

Anyways, what was Craig thinking by pleading guilty? All the cop had was that he tapped his feet and what not. Out of the ordinary? Sure. But not conclusive. It's not like he directly asked the cop to !@#$ his !@#$. I guess he thought it would be easier if he just got it over with.

do you seriously think the noted US senator wanted the undercover cop to "!@#$ his !@#$? or the other way around? i tend to say he intended the latter.

[Wild Cobra]

And you're the one that engaged me without refuting what the point I made. In fact, you've submitted 4 post in response to me without making any points whatsoever, so not only have you been the one to make a big deal out of my post, but you've simultaneoulsy managed to make an arse out of yourself.
He seems to have a habbit of that. I still cannot get any facts from him that are more than slander, hearsay, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao you don't know even the meaning of those words, but thanks for making the thread about me.

Hypocrite.

"habbit" :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao you don't know even the meaning of those words, but thanks for making the thread about me.
You're welcome.


Hypocrite.

"habbit" :lmao :lmao :lmao

Yes, in this case I am. I asked for a separate thread to dump on me if people must, and what do I do...

I just couldn't help myself. Someone else noticing you supply useless and irrelevant information, and even avoiding real questions by others.

Oh yes… I made a spelling error. Real significant finding.

[Wild Cobra]

Ooops... I got sidetracked.

I meant to add that I want people like this out, conservative or otherwise. Not that it looks like he is gay, but he was exceptionally stupid in handling the matter. His orientation does not matter to me.

If he was innocent and plead guilty (which I doubt being true) then he was stupid not to fight for the truth of a case which would be hard to prove. If he was guilty of the charge (which I believe) then he was stupid in engaging in such trolling for others in that manner.

I would hope to have congress members with at least average intelligence.

[ChumpDumper]

Just another in a long series of errors. You just aren't very intelligent. It's not a crime. Neither is hypocrisy.

As for the Senator, he either broke the law he was charged with breaking or he perjured himself before a judge when he said he did. I don't think either warrants flat out removal from office, but it's still pretty hilarious.

[jochhejaam]

Minus the political, it implies some sort of Krystal Nacht physicality of assault that isn't there. Political versus physical. An assualt on rights, and not their persons. Got it? :)

BTW, it wasn't a "stink", at least not in my book. Just another case of having to explain nuances to you.
Only those that are comprehension challenged would have read my post and interpreted "the GOP as gay bashing" to mean a physical bashing.
Sorry (but not surprised) to hear you fit into that category.

RIF

[boutons_]

Heard a snippet about Craig and congressional page 25 years ago.



"Sexual orientation

Craig is married with three adopted children, but as early as 1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982) the mainstream media has reported claims that he has had sex with men. In 1982, Craig appeared on NBC News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_News) to deny rumors about cocaine use and sex with male teenage congressional pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_page) (the next year, the 1983 Congressional page sex scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Congressional_page_sex_scandal) broke, but Craig was not implicated).[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#_note-18)

In October 2006, gay activist blogger Mike Rogers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rogers_%28activist%29), who has earned a controversial reputation for outing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outing) political conservatives, alleged on his blog that Craig was gay. Craig called the claim "completely ridiculous."[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#_note-19)

On August 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_28), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) the Idaho Statesman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Statesman) published a series of allegations about Craig's sexual activities, and his responses to them, that it had withheld until his conviction came to light:



A college student who was considering pledging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledging) at Craig's fraternity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternity) at the University of Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Idaho) in 1967 told the Statesman that Craig led the student to his bedroom and "made what the man said he took to be an invitation to sex." Craig responded: "I don't hit on any men."[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#_note-20)


A gay man told the Statesman that in November 1994, Craig cruised (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise) him at the REI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REI) store in Boise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise%2C_Idaho), following him around the store for half an hour. Craig responded: "I'm not gay, and I don't cruise, and I don't hit on men. I have no idea how he drew that conclusion. A smile? Here is one thing I do out in public: I make eye contact, I smile at people, they recognize me, they say, ‘Oh, hi, Senator.' Or, ‘Do I know you?' I've been in this business 27 years in the public eye here. I don't go around anywhere hitting on men, and by God, if I did, I wouldn't do it in Boise, Idaho! Jiminy!"[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#_note-21)


A professional 40-year-old man with close ties to Republican officials "reported having oral sex with Craig at Washington's Union Station, probably in 2004." Craig responded: "I am not gay and I have never been in a restroom in Union Station having sex with anybody."[27]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#_note-22)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig

and

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/27/1982-larry-craig-denial-1982/

==============

Where's there's that much smoke, ...

[Oh, Gee!!]

Unless Frank has always been open about his sexuality then there was a time where he wasn't honest about what he holds himself out to be.

Wow. I can't believe you're casting stones at someone for not coming out more quickly. You're such a fucking idiot and rarely bring any insight to these discussions. Please go away.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I am not gay....I just do gay shit.

dumbass

[clambake]

I love this shit. Did you hear what Romney said when questioned about the Craig Pole Hunting adventure?

Romney blamed Clinton.

Maybe Romney does read spurstalk!!!!

[PixelPusher]

I love this shit. Did you hear what Romney said when questioned about the Craig Pole Hunting adventure?

Romney blamed Clinton.

Maybe Romney does read spurstalk!!!!
Well, in all fairness Bill Clinton was a "naughty boy" (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/1999-video-republican-larry-craig-calls-bill-clinton-a-nasty-bad-naughty-boy/)

WMV (http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/20781/1/Hardball-Craig-Naughty.wmv) MOV (http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/20781/2/Hardball-Craig-Naughty.mov)

[judaspriestess]

At Craigs news conference he said,

"I want to thank all of you for coming out" nice play on words, possible Freudian slip?

Another hypocrite is going bye-bye. People shouldn't throw stones who live is glass houses.

[Sen. Craig]

I did not do anything that would be construed as lewd conduct in that airport bathroom!! :wtf

[jochhejaam]

Wow. I can't believe you're casting stones at someone for not coming out more quickly. You're such a fucking idiot and rarely bring any insight to these discussions. Please go away.
You're unable to differentiate between casting stones and correcting a mistatement by another poster, and I'm the idiot? :lol

Classic OG :donkey

[Wild Cobra]

Just another in a long series of errors. You just aren't very intelligent. It's not a crime. Neither is hypocrisy.

As for the Senator, he either broke the law he was charged with breaking or he perjured himself before a judge when he said he did. I don't think either warrants flat out removal from office, but it's still pretty hilarious.
Here's something we actually agree on. I mean about the senator, not me.

I think we can just let this go, and let the voters decide in the primaries when he's up. Doesn't hurt my feelings if he resigns though. I just figure, let his constituents decide.

P.S.

I'm trying to not do personal attacks. However Chump, you are a baiter. Are you a master-baiter?

[Wild Cobra]

Heard a snippet about Craig and congressional page 25 years ago.

----snip---

Where's there's that much smoke, ...
I agree this is likely true. Does it really matter? Isn't this whole incident a matter of if he is suited to serve rather than if he was a closeted bisexual? I don't mean to defend him, but consider:

A) Would he be getting this attention is he was a liberal democrat?

B) What is the possibility these accusations are made up?

Now I figure the accusations are true. I am just one that believes in the American way. Unlike many of you here. Innocent until proven guilty. None of the accusation have been certified as true.

In all honesty, there is that part of me that wonders if this was all a setup. What if he was told to do such signals for some information from someone, and the other person just happened to be a police officer who was told a pervert would be there?

Yes, it's a stretch. I don't put anything past either parties dirty tricks department.

Either way. I stand by my statement earlier that guilty or not, he is not fit to serve because of his stupidity.

[Wild Cobra]

Unless Frank has always been open about his sexuality then there was a time where he wasn't honest about what he holds himself out to be.
Wow. I can't believe you're casting stones at someone for not coming out more quickly.
Is that the only way to take his words? I see no condemnation here.

The truth, or trying to seek the truth can be brutal. That does not mean the truth seeker is being brutal.

Frank has ben a homosexual as ling as I have heard of him in politics. It's understandable to be closeted during the past years. It's far more accepted today than the past.\

I think one should consider historical relevance before criticizing the one seeking the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm trying to not do personal attacks. However Chump, you are a baiter. Are you a master-baiter?How original.

There is an ignore function. I believe the last neocon who attempted that joke put it to good use.

[101A]

...Innocent until proven guilty...

I know he has since recanted, but "The American Way" as you described it has been followed, and the threshold to determine guilt has been satisfied.

He, as a matter of fact and record, plead guilty.

[Oh, Gee!!]

You're unable to differentiate between casting stones and correcting a mistatement by another poster, and I'm the idiot? :lol

Classic OG :donkey

so in your tiny mind calling someone dishonest for not making a personal revelation about their sexuality (which is a completely private thing in the context of Barney Frank) is not casting stones?

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think one should consider historical relevance before criticizing the one seeking the truth.

except jokethesham wasn't seeking the "truth," he (or she or whatever it is) was impugning Barney Frank's character for honesty b/c at one time in his life Barney Frank wasn't openly gay.

[DarkReign]

This is only a big deal for two reasons (in order of importance)

1) He is gay
2) He was caught in an illegal act trying to solicit a gay engagement

Some have asked if this were a Democrat, would it have been as big a deal.

My answer to that would be no, it wouldnt be as big a deal. He would still have to resign because of the illegal misdemeanor, but him being gay would have no impact.

Truth of the matter is, it was a Republican controlled Congress standing on their soapbox distracting the American public from real issues with this gay marriage amendment, not Dems.

And I would fancy a guess and say someones sexual orientation rates very low on the character scale for most Dems than Repubs. Just a guess though.

[CommanderMcBragg]

Republicans talk out of both sides of their asses. They all pound their chests in support of the war, Mitt Romney, yet will not support it by joining the military, like Romney's boys.

[George Gervin's Afro]

when you politically attack the gay lifestyle you open yourself up to being attacked for actually being gay yourself (or in this case trying hook up with a man in a restroom). the dems don't politically attack gays. if this were a dem senator he would be under the same preassure to resign however the outrage wouldn't include the hypocrisy of the party hanging over his head...

[Nbadan]

Well, an audio recording of Craig's arrest shows that the cop is obviously a card carrying liberal...

Spokesman denies three-term Idaho lawmaker preparing to quit


WASHINGTON - Sen. Larry Craig denied soliciting an undercover police officer shortly after being arrested for alleged lewd conduct in a bathroom at a Minneapolis airport, an audio recording of the arrest revealed.

Craig said on the recording, released Thursday by the Minneapolis Police Department, that he may have touched the officer's foot with his foot while they were in stalls. "You said our feet bumped; I believe they did," Craig said, adding that he was scooting over. "Next thing I knew, underneath the bathroom divider comes a card that says 'Police.'"

The Republican senator from Idaho also said he placed his hand underneath the stall to pick up a paper, not to solicit the officer.

'I'm not gay," Craig said. "I don't seek activity in bathrooms."

The officer said he was disappointed in the senator.

"You are sitting here lying to a police officer," the officer responded. "People vote for you. Unbelievable."

MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347)

[Nbadan]

So what law did Craig break?


A person who surreptitiously gazes, stares, or peeps over a partition in a public restroom with the intent to intrude upon or interfere with the privacy of another person is guilty of interference with privacy, in violation of Minn. Stat. § 609.746 (2002).

...

D E C I S I O N


Because a reasonable person when using a public restroom has an expectation of privacy in that place shielded from public view by partitions and his body, and because the space above each partitioned urinal in a public restroom constitutes an aperture under section 609.746, we conclude that the district court did not err by denying Ulmer’s motion to dismiss for lack of probable cause.

Case Law (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=)

[Nbadan]

According to the police charge sheet (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig6.html), Craig was charged with both disorderly conduct and interference with privacy

[Spurminator]

"You are sitting here lying to a police officer," the officer responded. "People vote for you. Unbelievable."

Is it normal for a police officer to record an arrest like this?

[Wild Cobra]

I know he has since recanted, but "The American Way" as you described it has been followed, and the threshold to determine guilt has been satisfied.

He, as a matter of fact and record, plead guilty.
Agreed. This is again, a reason it doesn't matter if he really is guilty or not. He is too stupid to be a US senator. I am only acknowledging the possibility his claim he pleaded in an attempt to bury it is true.

What an idiotic notion, huh? Thinking such a thing in politics will just go away? Anyone think the republican voters of Idaho will pick him in the 2008 primary? I don’t.

[jochhejaam]

so in your tiny mind calling someone dishonest for not making a personal revelation about their sexuality (which is a completely private thing in the context of Barney Frank) is not casting stones?

Wow! :lol
I pointed out that Barney Franks himself admitted that he wasn't honest about his sexuality, so no, that is not casting stones.

I’ll throw you a sop OG, You’re very good at name calling (pat yourself on the back even though it’s a sure sign of intelligence deprivation).
On the other hand it's painfully obvious that your analytical skills tend to hover near the bottom (hint: don’t pat yourself on the back on this one).

I’ll put the two statements together in the same post in what is probably a futile attempt to help you to understand a simple concept that clearly went right over your head. (I'll color it for you in the hope that it'll keep your attention long enough to assist you in understanding the concept)

1. There was a post that stated that Barney Franks had never intimated that he's anything other than what he holds himself out to be. (That means that he was always open about his sexuality).

2. I posted 2 articles that pointed out that Franks had not always been open about his sexuality.

I corrected an incorrect statement, noting more, nothing less.
You're on your own now OG. Good Luck!

[Wild Cobra]

Personally, I see no point of bringing up Barney Frank unless it is in the context of his history with prostitution. There was even actions taken against him about it in 1990. He only received a reprimand with a 408-18 vote. Stronger actions could not be agreed upon, even though a prostitution ring was operating from out of his residence.

Democrats protect their own. A republican I think I can safely say would have been out, and then some!

Imagine if a prostitution ring was being run inside of Craig's home?

[clambake]

he prefers to spend his spare time in public bathrooms, as opposed to staying at home.

[ChumpDumper]

Personally, I see no point of bringing up Barney Frank unless it is in the context of his history with prostitution. There was even actions taken against him about it in 1990. He only received a reprimand with a 408-18 vote. Stronger actions could not be agreed upon, even though a prostitution ring was operating from out of his residence.Operated by Frank himself? Frank wasn't reprimanded for the prostitution ring. Why can't you get even one fact straight?

[atxrocker]

:lmao now this asshat is trying to yell entrapment. how much more desperate can he get?

[boutons_]

Repug Congressman wonn't defend this gay guy anymore than they defended Long Gone Gonzo.

But WC's knee jerks and drags in the Dems. He's getting sillier by each post.

[Nbadan]

http://cagle.com/news/SenatorCraig/images/harville.jpg

[Ya Vez]

I am sure had this been a liberal senator the media would have been outraged at the police department for targeting gay males.... oh well the senators only mistake was he thought he could get away with it... about the whole values thing.. isn't obama trying to become a values candidate.. did anybody see the dems debate on the gay issue.. billary, obama and I believe edwards didn't support gay marriage but rather civil unions... it's rather funny.. guess the values card does matter even to the dems...

[ChumpDumper]

Did Obama get arrested for soliciting gay sex in an airport restroom?

I missed that one.

[boutons_]

"he thought he could get away with it."

no, he flat out lied. He was soliciting for sex, not toilet paper, and he lied about not being gay.

Craig is resigning Saturday.

[Ya Vez]

That one of the most important things that we need to know about the next President of the United States is, is he somebody that shares our values? Is he somebody that respects family? Is a good and decent person? So our view was that, if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can'’t run the White House. So, so we’'ve adjusted our schedules to make sure that our girls are first, so while he’s traveling around, I do day trips. That means I get up in the morning, I get the girls ready, I get them off, I go and do trips, I’'m home before bedtime. So the girls know that I was gone somewhere, but they don’t care. They just know that I was at home to tuck them in at night, and it keeps them grounded, and, and children, the children in our country have to know that they come first. And our girls do and that’s why we’re doing this. We’re in this race for not just our children, but all of our children. Michelle Obama

gee I thought family values was only a republican thing....

[clambake]

no, inauthentic expressions of family values is a republican thing.....

[Mister Sinister]

no, inauthentic expressions of family values is a republican thing.....
I thought that was a people thing?

[clambake]

I thought that was a people thing?
could very well be. i suggest that some people should alter their platform.

[Mister Sinister]

could very well be. i suggest that some people should alter their platform.
If I ever run for any office, my platform will be "I hate people."

[clambake]

short, sweet, to the point................i like it

[ChumpDumper]

So it was Michelle Obama that solicited gay sex from a man in an airport restroom?

[jochhejaam]

Glenn Beck comments on Craig maintaining that he was "picking up a piece of toilet paper off the floor":

"Pick up a piece of toilet off the floor of public restroom...are you kidding me? I wouldn't pick up a $100 bill off a public restroom floor...well, maybe I would roll up a bunch of toilet paper and pick it up with that, and then give it to some cashier because I don't care if they get ravaged with some disease <---humor".

[jacobdrj]

If I ever run for any office, my platform will be "I hate people."
It never worked for the presidency, but in smaller offices like gubnitorial, senate, and congress...

Depends on how far you want to go.

[boutons_]

"is he somebody that shares our values"

define "our values". Do you mean your values, which very probably aren't my values, and not the values of 300M extremely diverse Americans.

I don't GAF about the Pres' values or morals. Just run the govt with efficiency, competence, and seriousness, with total respect for law, and work on the problems facing the country.

[Holt's Cat]

In that case let's take away female suffrage.

[Nbadan]

http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/09/03/tomo/story.jpg

[Nbadan]

Unreleased (this is until now exclusive from Spurstalk.com) secret Larry Craig surveillance video...

Craig Surveillance video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wek-tLAxlo)